[02:13] <adueppen> Hi, I'm doing a QA test for Google Code-in and the current testcase failed. I checked, and the issue I'm experiencing isn't in the "Bugs to look for" section. What should I do?
[15:25] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers/top100
[15:25] <balloons> but the link on the sidebar wasn't updated
[15:31] <dkessel> And I am not on it :(
[15:43] <balloons> dkessel, not enough runs eh?
[15:43] <balloons> Look like 100 is the cutoff
[15:44] <balloons> that's the weird thing about that. quality > quantity
[15:57] <balloons> checkout those gold bugs :-) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/318/builds
[16:00] <flocculant> balloons: awesome sauce :)
[16:01] <balloons> and the hardware profile stuff is gone
[16:01] <balloons> So just a minor snafu on the top20 -> top100 transition
[16:02] <flocculant> excellent :)
[20:01] <tsimonq2> flocculant: and yes, the top 100 tracker actually shows people who contributed more then just a few testcases
[20:01] <tsimonq2> flocculant: #100 has 100 test cases done XD
[20:04] <flocculant> tsimonq2: still think that the top tester reports are pointless
[20:04] <teward> they are pointless
[20:04] <teward> 100% pointless, in my opinion
[20:05] <teward> because what does it matter if someone uploaded 100 test reports/cases, or just 3
[20:05] <teward> or even 1
[20:05] <teward> the point of QA is to make things better, there's no real sense in saying "Oh, you did more than me, so now I have to do more."
[20:05] <flocculant> yep
[20:05] <tsimonq2> *shrug*
[20:05] <tsimonq2> moral support
[20:05] <teward> such competition is, in my opinion, detrimental to the point of Ubuntu in general
[20:05] <tsimonq2> I know it isn't the point
[20:05] <tsimonq2> and I don't focus on it
[20:05] <dobey> top tester: /usr/bin/python
[20:06] <teward> dobey: LOL
[20:06] <flocculant> dobey: :)
[20:06] <tsimonq2> ut it is good for moral support
[20:06] <tsimonq2> *but
[20:06] <teward> tsimonq2: how so?
[20:06] <teward> I don't see any such moral support through that
[20:06] <tsimonq2> teward: like, I made a difference through x test cases!
[20:06] <tsimonq2> idk, like that
[20:07] <teward> tsimonq2: with even one test case, they can make a difference
[20:07] <tsimonq2> yeah, and a significant difference with 100
[20:07] <teward> i don't see how assigning a number to their contributions helps change that
[20:07] <tsimonq2> I can agree with that a bit
[20:07] <dobey> better to help develop automated test cases that run all the time via automation, than to run the same test 100 times manually
[20:07] <teward> ^ that
[20:07] <tsimonq2> although it feels good to be on a leaderboard :)
[20:07] <teward> tsimonq2: and therein lies the additional headache:
[20:07] <tsimonq2> mhm
[20:08] <teward> we don't run on leaderboards
[20:08] <teward> leaderboards push for competition
[20:08] <teward> competition is not the point
[20:08] <tsimonq2> I know
[20:08] <dobey> K/D ratio ftw
[20:08] <tsimonq2> but the fact that the top 100 exists can encourage more testing
[20:08]  * teward shrugs
[20:08] <tsimonq2> balloons: weren't you pro-top 100?
[20:08] <teward> I disagree with that opinion, but you're allowed an opinion
[20:09] <flocculant> how can it possibly encourage more testing?
[20:09] <teward> ... bloody hell, that libuuid issue again
[20:09]  * teward hates sbuild
[20:09] <tsimonq2> heh
[20:09] <tsimonq2> flocculant: by wanting to be on a pointless list
[20:09] <tsimonq2> :)
[20:09] <tsimonq2> talking with wxl, he hasn't said anything bad about it. Do you have anything to add, wxl?
[20:10]  * teward throws wxl into /dev/urandom for a while for no reason, except for the fact the Lubuntu ISOs aren't working after zsyncing
[20:10] <teward> :P
[20:10] <teward> anyways
[20:10] <dobey> meh
[20:10] <dobey> pointless list indeed
[20:10] <teward> yay, sbuild's working again
[20:11] <flocculant> tsimonq2: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/12/17/%23ubuntu-quality.html#t19:05 - balloons comments at 19:16
[20:11] <tsimonq2> oh?
[20:11] <balloons> what's this now?
[20:11] <teward> i was just saying too didn't we discuss this yesterday
[20:11] <teward> balloons: testcases leaderboard
[20:11] <flocculant> we're just rehashing :)
[20:11] <balloons> I was happy to push the leaderboard to 100. But yes, I'm not sure why it exists
[20:12] <balloons> other than to help show how many tests you've run.
[20:12] <dobey> because quantity > quality > quantity
[20:12] <teward> balloons: is such a report really useful though
[20:12] <teward> other than saying how many tests someone's run, i don't see any real benefit
[20:12] <balloons> I'm leaving the idea of if it's useful or not out. If it is useful, reporting more than 10 is useful
[20:12] <balloons> so we changed it
[20:12] <teward> mmkay
[20:13] <balloons> it's data that is buried in the tracker db. I'd rather see more of that data come out, rather than less
[20:13] <balloons> it would be better if done in a different way, but making a big public list is easy, and it was already done
[20:13] <dobey> i'd rather see more automation
[20:14] <tsimonq2> balloons: and quite frankly, I would be completely okay with axing the top* if we had a search
[20:14] <tsimonq2> balloons: so you can see how many you have completed
[20:14] <tsimonq2> balloons: with filters for series or something
[20:14] <tsimonq2> thoughts from anyone else?
[20:14] <dobey> and a button to share on twitter or facebook
[20:14] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:15] <tsimonq2> that could work
[20:15] <dobey> lol
[20:16] <balloons> lol.  Yes. But at the moment, I'm more given to thoughts about doing a UI overhaul more than anything. Someone putting down a useful design would be lovely
[20:17] <tsimonq2> balloons: redwolf from the Lubuntu team would probably love to help, he is pretty good with that kind of stuff
[20:17] <redwolf> O.O
[20:17] <tsimonq2> probably :)
[20:17] <redwolf> what's the matter?
[20:17] <balloons> I dislike many parts of how it works. If we could keep the paradigm (to avoid lots of coding changes and assume how we do it really is best practice), but but a nicer bow on it, that would be great
[20:17] <tsimonq2> +1
[20:17] <redwolf> what are you trying to do?
[20:17] <balloons> We can start small I guess, but a big picture direction would be nice
[20:18] <balloons> I knew I had the old knome mokcup somewhere: http://imgur.com/UCyuoZk
[20:18] <balloons> flocculant, see I'm not crazy ^^
[20:18] <dobey> design for what?
[20:19] <dobey> oh, iso testing
[20:19] <redwolf> do you want to change the page or something?
[20:20] <tsimonq2> balloons: yeah, the results on the bottom is...not my favorite
[20:21] <balloons> dobey, yes the tracker
[20:21] <tsimonq2> balloons: maybe you(or someone else) should take to the ML
[20:21] <flocculant> balloons: yep - remember seeing that now
[20:21] <tsimonq2> then we can get a wider range if input
[20:21] <tsimonq2> *of
[20:22] <tsimonq2> you know, the little things that people don't like about the tracker
[20:22] <tsimonq2> balloons: then we can make a lot of GCI tasks! XD
[20:23] <dobey> balloons: i'd say QA anything should be integrated into LP, but alas, we know how that will go :P
[20:23] <balloons> tsimonq2, crowdsourced design :'-(
[20:24] <flocculant> :)
[20:27] <tsimonq2> balloons: why, do you not like that? :P
[20:29] <dobey> http://francis-moran.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Design.png
[20:30] <tsimonq2> :(
[20:31] <dobey> everyone will have different opinions about what data is or isn't important
[20:32] <tsimonq2> balloons: so what DO we do then?
[20:33] <balloons> well, someone gets to play kingmaker, heh :-)
[20:33]  * tsimonq2 raises his hand
[20:33] <tsimonq2> ooh ooh ooh pick me pick me pick me
[20:33] <balloons> But seriously, as with most things, do the work and you get to make the decisions
[20:33] <tsimonq2> XD
[20:33]  * tsimonq2 starts right away
[20:34] <balloons> so the person willing to put the time in to do the re-design will get the chance at feedback, and then will likely get to shape the direction
[20:34] <balloons> ohh, and I'm the one who can deploy changes, so, heh, I get to final veto
[20:34] <teward> :P
[20:35] <balloons> the bigger point of not asking on the mailing list is we don't need ideas, we need designs. As with many things, ideas are cheap. We need work
[20:36] <tsimonq2> got it :)
[20:36] <tsimonq2> link me
[20:36] <tsimonq2> :P
[20:38] <balloons> well please, feel free to create some mockups for what the new tracker should look like
[20:39] <dobey> balloons: haven't we got a team for that?
[20:39] <dobey> two teams even
[20:39] <balloons> dobey, teams of?
[20:39] <dobey> balloons: design team, and web team
[20:39] <balloons> ahh sure. And they have guidelines, though nothing to cover an old drupal site I'd guess
[20:41] <tsimonq2> balloons: can you link me to the guidelines?
[20:41] <dobey> yeah i guess you need someone to make a drupal theme
[20:42] <dobey> balloons: you/dpm should probbably try to get it brought up in the web team's stakeholder meeting, and try to get some time assigned for it
[20:42] <balloons> getting a full on theme and design would be a long-term investment into drupal
[20:43] <dobey> maybe they can get you a nice theme for it, or even replace drupal with something else
[20:43] <balloons> I'm not sure anyone (me included) wants to do that
[20:43] <dobey> well, moving it off drupal then :)
[20:44] <dobey> meh, all i want right now, is a preempt-rt kernel :(
[23:36] <adueppen> I'm new to the QA program, when I submit an in progress result, do I need to include any information?