[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[08:40] <vandenoever> what's the best distro to start ubuntu phone development?
[08:47] <dholbach> vandenoever: definitely Ubuntu
[08:47] <dholbach> it's the easiest to install the SDK, do testing, etc
[08:47] <dholbach> https://developer.ubuntu.com/start/
[08:49] <vandenoever> ok, going for 15.10
[09:35] <slvn_> Hello,  I am looking for someone to try a .click package on his phone or tablet ..
[09:49] <davidcalle> slvn_: hello, sure :)
[09:49] <davidcalle> slvn_: what is it?
[09:50] <slvn_> davidcalle, that would be great !
[09:51] <slvn_> this is a game
[09:51] <slvn_> and there was a bug
[09:51] <slvn_> saved file disappeared after reboot
[09:51] <slvn_> I have fixed it, and also implement a migration of all files
[09:52] <slvn_> I have tested it as much as i could with popey's automatic testing, but I need a real case
[09:59] <vandenoever> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/ talks about starting ubuntu-sdk, but i think the executable is ubuntu-sdk-ide
[10:02] <vandenoever> ah, qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu-common was not installed by installing ubuntu-sdk
[10:05] <vandenoever> does it matter what framework i use for writing apps?
[10:05] <vandenoever> i chose 15.10 now
[10:11] <davidcalle> vandenoever: there are two executables around, the new one is *-ide, but we are still transitioning (hence the doc is still about the legacy version)
[10:12] <vandenoever> davidcalle: ok, so what's the best one to use?
[10:12] <davidcalle> vandenoever: updated phones should have the latest frameworks, so using them is fine indeed
[10:12] <vandenoever> the new one which starts from an icon somehow uses opengl in a way that it blocks all other windows
[10:13] <vandenoever> it also does not minimize, the body of the development window stays visible
[10:14] <davidcalle> vandenoever: oh? Interesting. I'm not experiencing this. zsombi any idea what's going on? ^
[10:14] <vandenoever> davidcalle: it's not the entire window, just the welcome screen
[10:14] <vandenoever> davidcalle: if i got to edit, it's fine
[10:15] <vandenoever> the analyze pane is bad too, moving mouse over it causes huge flickering
[10:17] <vandenoever> davidcalle: this is when running in virtualbox with 3d accell enabled
[10:18] <vandenoever> without 3d accel the desktop is slower, but the qtcreator window looks fine
[10:21] <vandenoever> is bzr still recommended version control?
[10:23] <davidcalle> vandenoever:
[10:23] <davidcalle> Oops
[10:23] <davidcalle> vandenoever: yes it is, I don't use it in vbox though, can't really help on this front
[10:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bake Cookies Day! 🍪
[10:38] <vandenoever> 'import Ubuntu.Components 1.1' is underlined red in the editor
[10:38] <vandenoever> i can run demo app on the device though
[11:05] <Saviq> oSoMoN, hey, are you aware of a dependency issue in proposed http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14087111/ ?
[11:08] <dpm> sil2100, hi. On the question of channels available, what's the current way of getting the list of channels? Running 'system-image-cli --list-channels' on the desktop results in "Configuration directory not found", and on my krillin (stable) in "Exception occured during channel search"
[11:08] <oSoMoN> Saviq, yes, that’s https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527544
[11:09] <Saviq> oSoMoN, great, thanks
[11:09] <sil2100> dpm: hey! Use ubuntu-device-flash for that
[11:09] <sil2100> dpm: e.g. ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=krillin
[11:10] <JackH> any news on when we get things like whatsapp or viber for this phone?
[11:10] <dpm> sil2100, ok, thanks! Jumping otp right now, but will look at it later
[11:11] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: you say 5.5 is in proposed? it's not, no? i don't have proposed and i have 5.5
[11:11] <dpm> JackH, no news, but in the meantime you can use whatsapp using the webapp on the store, although you'll need another Android/iphone to do the one-off sign up
[11:12] <JackH> damn, its the last thing keeping me from a full switch and never looking back
[11:12] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, no, the issue is that the version of oxide-qt in proposed wasn’t built against qt 5.5
[11:12] <oSoMoN> (which at the time was in proposed, not release)
[11:13] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: ah, ok misunderstood, sorry :)
[11:14] <sil2100> dpm: no worries ;) I modified the channel page btw. and actually removed mention of the devel channel from the chart - those should never been listed there actually, we should never recommended using those for anything
[11:14] <sil2100> s/chart/table
[12:06] <dpm> sil2100, what is/are the recommended channel(s) to get agps working on a mako?
[12:13] <morphis> Laney: ping
[12:13] <sil2100> dpm: currently it's ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en, but I don't want to mention it in any official docs as this channel is not properly maintained
[12:14] <sil2100> dpm: I wanted to migrate it to a properly maintained channel but then slangasek recommended to do it more properly, so package the agps stuff as click
[12:14] <sil2100> Didn't have time to start that yet...
[12:15] <dpm> sil2100, ok, thanks for the info. Just so I understand it, when you say "not properly maintained", you mean this referring to mako only and because there are no regular promotions?
[12:18] <Mirv> jhodapp: it looks like you should get the https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/138927 fixed before the next two commits go in. the https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/142109/ would be now approved for merging but it depends on the former which has a change request from Yoann.
[12:18] <sil2100> dpm: there are regular promotions, but the custom tarball that has the AGPS had no maintainer, so it wasn't updated in a long long while
[12:19] <sil2100> dpm: actually, maybe I'll just update the custom tarball today and start taking care of the click approach later
[12:19] <Mirv> jhodapp: I'm just checking what kind of patches I could cherry-pick that apply. I told Thomas I can help with at least xenial qtmultimedia packaging by cherry-picking patches from upstream in order.
[12:26] <dpm> sil2100, ok, great, thanks for the info. What I also take from the conversation is that a) the diagram needs updating and b) the stable and devel channels are independent from each other. Would this look ok to you for a diagram update? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14087459/
[12:27] <sil2100> dpm: looks ok, not sure if it's needed as the diagram was purely informational about how 'promotions' from one channel to the other work - and I'm a bit weary to include an explicit one about devel
[12:28] <sil2100> I would like to have as least devel in official docs as possible
[12:28] <sil2100> As it's by no means anything that we would like any normal user to touch
[12:29] <sil2100> Currently 'devel' is more like something for ubuntu core developers, people that need to make sure that latest development release (xenial right now) still works on the touch stack
[12:29] <sil2100> There's absolutely no QA on that, there's not even any development focus there, so my dream is for anyone non-dev to just forget devel/devel-proposed exist ;)
[12:29] <dpm> sil2100, right, but the site is for developers, and they will find out in any case. My concern is that there is only a subset of people that know how it all works, instead of it being documented, they'll get confused. In fact, I created the original diagram on the page and I just realised it's no longer how we do it exactly
[12:31] <dpm> alternatively, we can just put a big fat warning with what you've just said, but I wouldn't just ignore them from the page
[12:31] <sil2100> dpm: yes, but the fact is that non-developers also use this page and this is a fact... and from experience we know that normal users sometimes like to think: "oh, devel, this sounds like the latest development stuff, I want to be up-to-date!"
[12:32] <dpm> that's why I think we need to explain it clearly :)
[12:32] <sil2100> dpm: this is why devel is still on the page in the details, but I wouldn't want including it in the diagrams since those are visible instantly, everyone looks at pictures as the first thing ;D
[12:32] <sil2100> dpm: in text it's explained clearly:
[12:32] <sil2100> "Devel images are generally the least tested and therefore most risky to use. Those images are considered development images, meaning based on the latest Ubuntu series and meant only for system developers to be able to do development - there is no guarantee of phone features working." <- but that's just text, so people can miss that
[12:33] <dpm> (otp, brb)
[12:33] <muka> 2 days ago I upgraded my phone, mako stable, and now usb tether connection crashes my phone. The load screen shows. Anyone with same bug?
[12:34] <sil2100> dpm: I also included a guideline which channel to use now in most cases: "Generally whenever you want to test Ubuntu Touch on your phone, we recommend using one of the ubuntu-touch/stable/* channels."
[12:34] <Mirv> sil2100: dpm: I think the main problem is that people tend to think of "devel" in traditional distro terms. traditionally stable distro releases do not get all the new features, while stable phone images practically do get all the new features. so it's a very different mindset that's hard to alter.
[12:34] <dpm> Mirv, yeah, that was my concern
[12:34] <dpm> folks don't realise they are unrelated
[12:34] <sil2100> dpm, Mirv: as I mentioned above, the page explains how this looks like in our case
[12:35] <sil2100> I'm not thinking about avoiding mentioning about devel on the channel page, I just don't feel good about including anything devel in the promotion diagram - we know how the human brain works, you look at pictures first before reading the text
[12:36] <sil2100> That's my only concern ;)
[12:36] <sil2100> I don't want to put any additional 'devel' confusion
[12:36] <muka> Looks like 'android-gadget-service enable rndis' crashes the phone.
[12:37] <sil2100> dpm: there was also a proposition to modify ubuntu-device-flash to print out a big warning when you try to flash devel images ;)
[12:41] <dpm> sil2100, ok, back, sorry. Sure, let's put only the stable diagram there. But so that I understand it myself, what's the actual purpose of the devel set of channels? Are they used at all? Are we in the process of deprecating them?
[12:49] <sil2100> dpm: we still use them since we have to use them, they're always based on the latest ubuntu series so we need to have them so that core developers can test if their projects are still working
[12:50] <sil2100> dpm: we promote from devel-proposed every now-and-then when QA checks the images and confirms that the images boot, shell starts, apps start and adb is accessible
[12:51] <sil2100> dpm: so as you see, this quality level is not really something we want to explicitly advertise ;D
[12:52] <sil2100> dpm: devel* channels are useful since it's a good place to test things when we prepare for a base-line switch, when we decide that we want to change the stable images from vivid to the next series
[12:56] <dpm> sil2100, ok, that's actually really useful info, I wasn't even aware myself. Let me have a go at updating the stable diagram (without the devel channels)
[12:56] <sil2100> dpm: thanks! :)
[12:57] <sil2100> Yeah, we had a discussion about the devel channel purpose recently
[14:23] <jhodapp> Mirv, sounds good
[14:23] <jhodapp> I'll look into the status of these
[15:00] <dpm> sil2100, ok, updated the page with a new diagram and added a few notes: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels let me know what you think!
[15:01] <dpm> davidcalle, ^
[15:02] <sil2100> dpm: oh my! Looks much better now :)
[15:02] <sil2100> I like those 'Note' windows too!
[15:02] <dpm> ok, cool :)
[15:03] <davidcalle> dpm: Looking great!
[16:07] <lama_> can i install ubuntu touch on a nexus 5x
[16:07] <sad> hi
[16:07] <lama_> hi
[16:08] <sad> i am sad
[16:08] <lama_> i c that
[16:08] <sad> i lose all off my sd caRD INFO
[16:09] <sad> i was try to install ubuntu on my tab
[16:09] <thecoder> that sucks
[16:09] <sad> hi
[16:10] <sad> can you help me to install ubuntu on my android tab ?
[16:10] <thecoder> no i have never done it
[16:11] <sad> -_- thx
[16:11] <thecoder> sorry
[16:11] <ogra_> if your device isnt yet supported you need to build the androind container for your device from source ... with the right modifications
[16:11] <ogra_> this is a pretty advanced task though
[16:11] <thecoder> ogra_ do you know when the new phones will be out?
[16:14] <ogra_> (you need to know a lot about both systems, android and ubuntu, to make this work proper)
[16:14] <davmor2> thecoder: oh before Christmas 2016
[16:15] <thecoder> thanks
[16:15] <ogra_> thecoder, nope, no idea
[16:15] <sad> i am folowing the ubuntu forum advice stip by stip but it's not work
[16:16] <davmor2> thecoder: Canonical doesn't actually know, it is up to the vendor to announce it so any time next year basically might be early might be late, might be in the middle
[16:16] <ogra_> sad, you mean about porting to a new device ?
[16:17] <sad> yes orga
[16:17] <ogra_> what forum would that be ?
[16:17] <sad> it's hanging on this stip : sudo fastboot oem unlock
[16:18] <sad> after that i did enter my password but it's hanging
[16:18] <k1l_> sad: what device is it? does it support bootloader unlock at all?
[16:18] <k1l_> and yes, unlocking the bootloader will wipe all  data.
[16:18] <sad> i don't know but my device is samsung tab3
[16:20] <sad> is it possible to install ubuntu for samsung tab3 ?
[16:21] <sad> ?
[16:22] <sad> the last message from my terminal " < waiting for device > "
[16:22] <sad> it's still waiting
[16:22] <sad> :('
[16:23] <k1l_> sad: i cant find a working ubuntu touch port for one of the samsung tab 3. so you need to port it yourself. but this is a advanced users task and not a beginners task.
[16:25] <sad> give me links for that i will read it  ?
[16:25] <k1l_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[16:25] <dobey> it's in the topic
[16:25] <k1l_> and it seems your bootloader needs some special treatment, too.
[16:25] <sad> thx i will read it now
[16:26] <davmor2> awwww dobey you still think people read the topic on irc that so sweet ;)
[16:27] <dobey> davmor2: no, i just say RTFT ;)
[16:27] <davmor2> dobey: hahaha
[16:28] <onla> anyone know where I can get ubuntu phone in finland and what options are there and how much they cost? and is there something new coming that I could wait for instead
[16:31] <davmor2> onla: http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html I think Mirv got one sent to him and he is in that part of the world iirc
[16:35] <onla> hm that link redirects to their front page
[16:38] <davmor2> onla: just got through to devices smartphones ubuntu
[16:39] <onla> in the products - smartphones, there is no subcat called ubuntu http://www.bq.com/uk/smartphones
[16:41] <dobey> i guess they aren't selling the e5 or e4.5 any more?
[16:42] <dobey> http://www.bq.com/es/smartphones has them though
[16:43] <onla> why would they not sell it, buggy?
[16:43] <dobey> out of stock maybe
[16:43] <dobey> seems they still have them on the spanish page, just not the uk page
[16:49] <k1l_> i saw ubuntu-touch devices in a german electronics supermarket. but they will not sell it on the webpage from bq to germany.
[16:49] <Mirv> onla: dobey: seems like there's "Worldwide/English" section of their site nowadays and there's Ubuntu https://store.bq.com/en/
[16:49] <k1l_> i dont understand that sort of selling strategy.
[16:50] <Mirv> onla: and there you can select Finland on the order link. I'll update the ubuntu-fi.org wiki links if you went from there to the site
[16:50] <Mirv> davmor2: I now suspect there are a lot of broken/obsolete links around thanks to the Bq site renewal
[16:51] <davmor2> Mirv: possibly
[16:51] <davmor2> Mirv: don't have time to look though
[16:51] <onla> would web browser launch slower or faster in same phone when other has ubuntu and other has android?
[16:52] <davmor2> onla: hard to say they would not be the same browser
[16:52] <ogra_> or even the same services running
[16:52] <dobey> davmor2: they are fairly close to the same though. same engine and all.
[16:53] <dobey> in my experience, on my nexus 5, the browser initial start-up speed is about the same on both ubuntu and android
[16:53] <davmor2> onla: it would be like saying these apples and oranges are fruit right do they taste the same
[16:53] <Mirv> onla: so, direct purchase links E4.5 https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5-fr/ and E5 https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e5/
[16:53] <dobey> there is no significant difference in startup speed of the browser, between the two
[16:54] <dobey> davmor2: it's more like comparing oranges and mandarins, perhaps
[16:55] <dobey> davmor2: or lemon and lime (which have same basic shape, but color and internals are a bit different)
[16:55] <onla> ok
[16:55] <davmor2> dobey: that one I could go with more
[17:03] <vthompson> ahayzen, popey, music and weather meeting?
[17:12] <davmor2> vthompson: I think popey is on holiday already and ahayzen is probably watching star wars or something ;)
[17:13] <ogra_> "music and weather meeting" ... is that where they do rain dances ?
[17:13] <vthompson> davmor2: Ah, good point. I should be watching star wars :)
[17:13] <vthompson> ogra_: Only as we recite bug reports
[17:13] <ogra_> heh
[17:52] <kowak> anyone solve no calling sound in ported devices?
[17:57] <davmor2> kowak: have you tried changing the ringtone in system setting it might be that the default is missing from your build, just trying to rule out the obvious first, other than that I have no clue sorry
[18:23] <ogra_> hmm, is there any way to forward an SMS ?
[18:23]  * ogra_ cant find one 
[18:26] <vishnudev> hi which channel I can ask doubts about application development?
[18:27] <ogra_> try #ubuntu-app-devel
[18:30] <pmcgowan> ogra_, no I think we need that, need to copy and paste
[18:30] <ogra_> pmcgowan, thanks ...
[19:43] <grepo> Hello, do someone have idea where the SMS threads are read from? I have undeletable thread with no messages in my Messages application.
[19:48] <pmcgowan> grepo, its in /home/phablet/.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite
[19:48] <pmcgowan> you may also want to file a bug against address-book
[19:48] <pmcgowan> sorry messaging-app
[19:53] <grepo> I already looked into this file but did not get idea what table it is.
[19:54] <pmcgowan> grepo, i think tis called texts, let me look
[19:55] <pmcgowan> grepo, threads and text__events, I use sqlitebrowser
[19:55] <pmcgowan> grepo, if youc an see whats wrong with the entry please make a bug
[19:57] <grepo> I already inspected text_events. It is not there. There are only regular messages. Not the empty thread.
[19:58] <pmcgowan> maybe its not really empty but corrupted somehow
[19:58] <pmcgowan> thats where they come from though
[19:59] <grepo> Aaah, probably threads table
[20:05] <grepo> Uhm, there is a line over there:  accountname|number|0|||0|0
[20:05] <grepo> Is it safe to delete the line?
[20:11] <pmcgowan> grepo, I would make a backup of that file, then try to delete it
[20:27] <grepo> Thanks, that was it.
[20:27] <pmcgowan> grepo, great
[20:27] <pmcgowan> grepo, any idea how it got there?
[20:27] <pmcgowan> did you delete a contact or anything?
[20:27] <grepo> Unfortunately no.
[20:27] <pmcgowan> ok
[20:28] <grepo> I did something when creating contact.
[20:28] <grepo> Probably clicked to create a message for the contact and then closed messages application. But I am not sure.
[20:28] <pmcgowan> ok
[20:28] <grepo> I realized I have undeletable empty thread after several days.
[20:29] <grepo> Strange, that it is not possible to delete empty thread.
[20:29] <grepo> Previously I tried to fix it by deleting the contact, but I was not able to delete the contact as well.
[20:30] <pmcgowan> yeah I am adding a bug in case we can repor it
[20:30] <grepo> I finally managed to delete it by deleting in owncloud and syncing, but the thread did not disappear. Only displayed as number, not name.
[20:33] <pmcgowan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/messaging-app/+bug/1527738
[20:33] <pmcgowan> bfiller, fyi we aren't quite sure how it got there ^
[20:34] <grepo> Thanks for reporting.
[20:38] <bfiller> pmcgowan: from address book, open a contact, then press the text bubble, once you get to the messaging-app, press cancel/back. that used to create a entry on the main page you couldn't delete
[20:44] <kowak> how to fix this? W/msm8974_platform( 3071): 24bit not enable, no need to check for backend change
[20:44] <kowak> E/ACDB-LOADER( 3071): ACDB -> Not correctly initialized!
[20:45] <dobey> grepo: what device/image are you actually on?
[21:03] <grepo> dobey:  bq aquaris e4.5 ota-8.5
[21:06] <dobey> ok
[22:29] <raph_ael> hi