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denza242valorie: probably means "not backdoored"00:09
denza242JaX: yes00:09
JaXYeah denza24200:10
JaXThank you, because i have see, canonical tracks users00:10
JaXOr something like that00:10
valoriethere has always been the option to allow user:agent or so00:13
valoriebut again, that has always been OFF by default00:13
valorietracking user:agent, I mean00:14
JaXvalorie: it's the canonical tracker ?00:22
valorieJaX: no00:48
valoriesorry don't have time to explain right now, we're going to dinner00:49
JaXvalorie: what is the canonical tracker ?00:49
JaX...00:49
valoriethe scopes is I believe what you referred to00:49
valoriewe use *nothing* like that00:49
valorienothing at all, and never have00:49
JaXSo ubuntu do not track me, he's good like debian ?00:50
JaXFree like debian ?00:50
n1ckyI'm getting a lot of graphics issues on wily, Atom Z36xxx/Z37xxx graphics, compositor is set to use OpenGL 3.1 with GLX00:58
n1ckyscreen tearing is common, but I have vsync on automatic so I assume I can fix that00:59
n1ckybut the biggest thing is a lot of leftover fragements of windows and taskbar popups00:59
n1ckyIs this fixed / better in upstream KDE?00:59
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scottdoes someone here know who runs the kubuntu-ci bot?02:57
scottit's been sending me private notices regarding build failures but I am entirely unaffiliated with kubuntu02:57
scottmight be a fun bug going on :)02:57
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valoriescott: please write to the kubuntu-devel list with the relevant details, like to which email account those emails are being sent05:34
scottvalorie: it's sending me notices here on freenode, not by email05:36
scottI was hoping there'd be some developers familiar with the bot here - is there a development channel I should check instead?05:36
valorie#kubuntu-devel05:39
scottthanks05:39
valoriethose notices used to be in a private chan, and now on that chan05:39
valorieuber-strange that they are coming to you05:40
scottyeah, it was certainly surprising05:40
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lukas_hey08:28
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francishHi all,  I'm a Kubuntu user for a long time and I'm not sure if it's future is secured now. Any official statement from Canonical or Kubuntu Council about this ?10:12
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lordievaderGood morning.10:17
francishGood morning10:17
lordievaderfrancish: Other people have stood up to replace Riddel. There will at least be a 16.04, and I suppose more.10:18
francishI would hope so, thanks. Kubuntu council is positive but I could not see any strong sign, apart teh work on 16.04. Thanks and have a nice day10:20
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marusafter upgrade my kernel from 3.16.0-55-generic 4.2.0-19-generic, usb and wireless doesn't work, do i have to install something else like extra?11:04
marusany one know if 4.2.0-19-generic support on 14.04?11:10
marusokay thanks ...11:12
marushttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/142467611:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1424676 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "bcmwl-kernel-source 6.30.223.248+bdcom-0ubuntu2: bcmwl kernel module failed to build with kernel 4.0 [error: ‘STATION_INFO_TX_BITRATE’ undeclared (first use in this function)]" [High,Fix released]11:12
lordievader4.1.2 works on my 14.04 vm's...11:15
maruslordievader: there is big diference between vm and pysical host, and 4.2 and 4.111:20
lordievaderI know, just sharing my experience.11:20
maruslordievader: thanks ;-)11:27
arnaudoffhi guys. I'm a new linux user. I've just installed kubuntu. I want to ask you something because I can't figure it out alone.11:34
soee!ask11:34
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience11:34
arnaudoffI wish to add some shortcuts and they are: with WIN button to open start menu; with CTRL+ALT+T to open terminal and with WIN+E to open /root11:35
arnaudoffI've found in start menu - global/standard/custom keyboard shortcuts but don't know how to set these ones I've mentioned11:36
arnaudoff@soee, thank you in advance, mate11:37
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soeei'm not sure if you can set only META (WIN) key alone as a shortcut11:41
soeeworth to remember: plasma developers call windows key META here11:41
soeebuti think you can use any combination META + XXX to open menu widget11:42
soeeyou can right click on menu icon i panel, open menu widget settings and go to Keyboard Shortcuts section an bind some shortcut there11:42
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soeearnaudoff: when it somes to teminal i strongly suggest to install Yakuake11:43
soeeit as a utostarted, hidden by defautl dropdown wrapper for terminal, activated by F12 key - you will love it11:44
arnaudoff@soee, what are the advantages of yakuake?11:46
arnaudoff:)11:47
soeeit looks liek this: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/12/19/snapshot40.png11:48
Fritigernarnaudoff: I agree with soee, yakuake rocks. It should be possible to open Yakuake with a custom shortcut.11:48
arnaudoffI've justs installed it and assign ctrl+alt+k to it.11:48
arnaudoffctrl+alt+t *11:48
soeeyou have it running in teh bacground, dont have to start it each time you need temrinal access etc. is tupports tabs and all the other tuf.11:48
arnaudoffthanks.11:48
arnaudoffshould I install another file manager or Dolphin is good?11:49
soeelol :D Dolphin is teh best !11:49
FritigernAs for the Win+E thing, it should be possible to write a simple script that's invoked by Win+E. However, why would you want to open /root?11:49
soeejust play with it a bit and you will notice how powerful it is11:49
arnaudoff@Fritigern, as I said, I'm a new linux user and I'm NOT much familiar with using only the terminal. I've been using Windows for years and I'm used to open "My computer" this way (Meta+E). :)11:51
FritigernAh, I see. In that case you will want to open /home/<your login name> instead. A quick notation of that would be ~/11:52
soeeand it equals opening Dolphin :D11:53
arnaudoffI've just set it. :D11:53
FritigernSo if you were to write a script (kinda like a batch file) you would want it to use the command "dolphin ~/" only without quotes11:53
arnaudoffBut Dolphin cannot be closed with Meta+W11:53
arnaudoff:D11:53
FritigernYou can close it with Alt+F4,11:54
soeeCTRL + Q11:54
soeeQ = Quit  (linux make it more sens)11:54
FritigernBTW arnaudoff, I am a self-proclaimed GUI addict, and II will usually prefer NOT using the terminal. Having said that, there are times when I do prefer the terminal, like when I am searching for a file, or updating Kubuntu.11:57
FritigernAnyway, I totally get what you are coming from. I made the switch 10 years ago and I remember how odd everything seemed in Linux, like not having drive letters, or having to setting a script as executable before I could run it.11:59
alex__yuio12:02
arnaudoffFritigern, I like that someone understands me. :)12:03
FritigernI think most people here will understand you. We all started using Linux at some part of our lives. Some just have been using it longer than others12:04
soeeFritigern: and don you have this feeling now that Windows is kinda stange :D ?12:06
FritigernHeh, I do. Whenever I have to use Windows i'm like "why can;t it work like Linux?" :-)12:06
soeetrue, true :)12:07
FritigernWhenever I need a terminal in Windows, I will first try to usre Powershell, after all, many Linux-style commands will work, like lls of example (the only one that I can think of off the top of my head)12:08
FritigernThat was suppoeds to be ls, not lls.12:09
FritigernWelcome back, arnaudoff12:13
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arnaudoffI've tried Linux Mint as first distro because a friend of mine told me that Mint's closest to Windows interface12:13
FritigernIMO KDE/Plasma is closer than Gnome.12:14
arnaudoffBut it was running slow and I don't enjoy it at all.12:14
arnaudoffThen, other friends suggest me trying Ubuntu but finally I chose the kubuntu.12:15
FritigernYeah, the Ubuntu interface (called Unity) is not every intuitive if you are used to Windows12:15
Fritigernevery = very12:16
AwNvalorie: ?12:19
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arnaudoff@Fritigern, I have ASUS X550VB and it has a technology called Smart Gesture. You can make different things with your touchpad, i.e. sliding down with three fingers minimizing all open apps.12:22
arnaudoffI'm really missing it here.12:23
arnaudoffBecause ASUS made this driver for Windows only.12:23
FritigernThat's a toughy, I don;t know if there is an alternative driver for that under Linux. I could have a look, but don;t count on anything12:27
arnaudoffwant to ask you something else12:27
arnaudoffhave you ever used elementaryos?12:27
FritigernI've found this, but I can not guarantee that it will work for you. http://askubuntu.com/questions/609228/asus-x750ja-and-ubuntu-gnome-14-04/611936#61193612:29
arnaudoffI'm asking you this because I've a dilemma which one to install - kubuntu or elementaryos :D12:29
JustMEarnaudoff: Kubuntu has a tracker ?12:30
FritigernTo be honest, I have no experience with ElementaryOS12:30
JustMEI wait valorie i want speak with him12:30
arnaudoffJustME, what?12:30
JustMEarnaudoff: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do12:33
JustMEhttp://framablog.org/2012/12/08/stallman-ubuntu-espion/12:35
FritigernJustME: That issue has been resolved a long time ago12:37
soee_JustME: valorie is a woman :D12:48
soee_https://twitter.com/valoriez?lang=pl12:48
internetpandaso I installed kubuntu on my macbook and all was fine then I went and changed the time format to de and now it won't load anything in kde12:49
internetpandait says Error loading QML file:12:49
internetpanda                    file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.panel/conte12:49
internetpanda                    nts/ui/main.qml:25:1: plugin cannot be loaded for12:49
internetpanda                    module "org.kde.kquickcontrolsaddons": Cannot load12:49
internetpanda                    library /usr12:49
internetpandahelp me kubuntu wan kenobi you're my only hope12:50
JustMESorry valorie & soee_ ^^12:50
soee_internetpanda: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35561812:51
ubottuKDE bug 355618 in general "Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.panel/contents/ui/main.qml:25:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "org.kde.kquickcontrolsaddons": Cannot load library /usr" [Grave,Resolved: fixed]12:51
soee_so the status is: Status RESOLVED FIXED12:52
soee_probably in Plasma 5.512:52
internetpandaso how can I fix it soee_ ?12:53
JustMEWhat is the last version of Plasma, in Kubuntu ?12:54
JustMEPlasma 5.5.1 ?12:54
soee_5.4.312:55
JustMEAnd how can i have the logo who jump with the mouse when i launch an app ?12:56
soee_internetpanda: i do not know, i'm not sure if this has been fixed exactyl in new Plasma (probalby). You can try the hard way: reset system settings by removing .kde and .config files12:56
soee_*directories12:56
internetpandasoee_, will it recreate them?12:57
soee_internetpanda: yes12:58
soee_JustME: i think this is defautl behaviour / either way chech System Settings -> Appplications -> Launch Feedback12:59
internetpandaI do recovery mode and root console from there12:59
internetpandabut it loads the filesystem as read only12:59
internetpandaso it wont let me delete .kde and .config13:00
soee_use sudo13:00
internetpandaI am logged in as root already13:00
internetpandasudo rm -rvf .kde doesnt work either13:00
internetpandasays read only13:00
soee_http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187081713:01
internetpandathat worked for removal but the problem persists13:03
internetpandaare the settings only in the user folder?13:03
FritigernMy advice, do NOT remove those folders, but rename them instead13:04
FritigernAh, too late13:04
internetpandaI will just reinstall and not change the date I guess13:06
internetpandathat's pretty shitty13:07
mmacheerpuppyHi13:15
mmacheerpuppyAnybody here?13:15
mmacheerpuppyI'm looking for some support on installing Kubuntu via Crouton13:16
BluesKajHiyas all13:23
CrystalMareHow do I get rid of these two icons, https://i.imgur.com/xmUg858.png13:24
CrystalMareThere's no easy way of removing them13:26
lordievaderCrystalMare: Unlock the taskbar and remove them?13:26
CrystalMareThere's no unlock option13:26
CrystalMarelordievader, There's no unlock option13:27
lordievaderCrystalMare: Right click task bar -> Panel options -> Panel settings -> remove icons13:28
CrystalMarek13:29
CrystalMaregot it13:29
CrystalMare-1 for kde13:29
CrystalMareTook me too long to figure this out13:29
lordievader?13:29
BluesKajCrystalMare, well now you know that right click on the panel gives you several options , that's a plus in my book13:32
mmacheerpuppyHey13:33
mmacheerpuppyANybody here?13:33
mmacheerpuppyAnybody here*13:33
BluesKajcheck the nicklist13:33
mmacheerpuppyYeah but that doesn't show me who is AFK13:34
mmacheerpuppyrofl13:34
BluesKajthat depends on your client13:34
mmacheerpuppyDoes anybody know the KUBUNTU 15.10 installation repository name?13:34
mmacheerpuppyI'm trying to get it13:34
mmacheerpuppybut I can't find what it's called anywhere13:34
lordievaderDo you mean archive.ubuntu.com?13:35
BluesKajmmacheerpuppy, looking for the iso image?13:35
mmacheerpuppyPerhaps, I'm new to the OS. I've got Kubuntu running on my Windows OS. However I want to get it running on my Chromebook.13:35
mmacheerpuppyNow when I use Crouton I try sudo sh -e crouton -t "kubuntu-desktop"13:36
mmacheerpuppyI'm not sure if I need to go ahead and make an unbuntu installation before I can install kubuntu13:36
mmacheerpuppyAll I can find on Google is a lot of old information as to how I'd go about installing the KDE over Ubuntu, and that's not what I want.13:37
mmacheerpuppybecause the KDE environment in question as far as I'm aware isn't the same thing as Kubuntu 15.1013:37
mmacheerpuppySo with no specific instructions on how to install these kinds of packages for a new user this is a bit frustrating13:37
lordievader"Kubuntu running on my Windows OS", what do you mean with that? Virtualized?13:38
lordievaderWhat version of Ubuntu does Crouton install?13:38
mmacheerpuppySorry, I have it in dual boot via GRUB13:38
BluesKajhttp://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-10/13:39
mmacheerpuppyUmm let me see13:39
lordievadermmacheerpuppy: You do realize Kubuntu is little more than Ubuntu core + KDE, right?13:40
mmacheerpuppyYes13:40
mmacheerpuppyThat's what I've gathered from googling13:40
mmacheerpuppySo whilst I can find instructions on how to install KDE (which people claim is KDE/Kunbuntu (but that can't be quite right) via Crouton)13:41
BluesKaj!flavor13:41
ubottu!Ubuntu-GNOME, !Kubuntu, !Xubuntu and !Lubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with GNOME, KDE, Xfce, and LXDE (respectively) installed as default, instead of Unity. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu, Ubuntu !Studio, and !Mythbuntu.13:41
lordievadermmacheerpuppy: That is rather correct though ;)13:41
BluesKajwth is crouton?13:42
lordievaderBluesKaj: A Chromebook thing for installing Ubuntu.13:42
mmacheerpuppyBasically installs a linux distro over ChromeOS13:42
BluesKajok lordievader, thanks13:42
mmacheerpuppyYou can choose between using sudo sh -e crouton [this is the package] -t "repository name here"13:43
mmacheerpuppyso something like13:43
mmacheerpuppysudo sh -e crouton -t xfce13:43
mmacheerpuppywould work13:43
BluesKajthought you wanted kde plasma desktop13:44
mmacheerpuppyWell I'm new to Linux and what I want is the same Kubuntu 15.10 provided in the ISO image13:44
mmacheerpuppyinstalling via Crouton13:44
lordievadermmacheerpuppy: So what version of Ubuntu does it install? 14.04?13:44
mmacheerpuppylordievader: I could go ahead and make the Unbuntu installation now, and I believe so, yes.13:45
lordievaderRight, 14.04 has Plasma4, 15.10 has Plasma5. I think that that is the difference you are reffering to.13:47
mmacheerpuppylordievader: To me that claim would mean, Unbuntu 14.04 has Plasma4 and Kubuntu 14.04 (which contains Plasma 4) is the same as Unbuntu 14.0413:48
mmacheerpuppyBut that's not right13:49
mmacheerpuppyWhat I want is the ISO image for Kubuntu at http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/13:49
lordievaderHow is that not right?13:49
lordievaderKubuntu and Ubuntu share the same core and repositories.13:49
mmacheerpuppylordievader: Well http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ looks NOTHING like Unbuntu 14.0413:49
lordievaderCorrect, that is Plasma5.13:50
mmacheerpuppylordievader: I want it to be EXACTLY the same13:50
lordievadermmacheerpuppy: Get Crouton to install 15.10.13:50
mmacheerpuppylordievader: So what you're saying is, Kubuntu + Plasma 5 == Unbuntu13:50
lordievaderNo.13:50
mmacheerpuppyunbuntu + plasma 5 == kubuntu *13:50
mmacheerpuppysorry13:50
lordievaderYes. That is correct.13:50
mmacheerpuppyokay13:51
BluesKajnot unbuntu, it ubuntu btw, but you want kubuntu 15.10 which has kde/plasma 5 by default13:52
lordievaderI took Unbuntu to be a typo, is it actually something different?13:54
mmacheerpuppylordievader: That is a typo, yes. I spent all night working first line support13:55
mmacheerpuppylordievader: it was pretty cancerous13:55
jubo2mmmhh..13:58
jubo2trying to get ALSA MIDI -> JACK MIDI to work just appeared to cause that the internal nor external soundcard are being detected13:58
BluesKajjubo2, cat /proc/asound/modules , what does it show?14:02
jubo2BluesKaj: it sees the hda intel and the 2 pcs usb audio14:05
jubo2It's only a 2-tracker14:05
jubo2kinda weird it shows 214:05
BluesKajdeepnds if you habve both analog and digital outs connected then it shows 214:06
jubo2digital out.. to the USB?14:07
jubo2I got message today that they have shipped my mixer14:07
BluesKajI have both connected so the modules show 214:07
jubo2that's at least reliable analog technology14:07
jubo2I was just trying to play klingity-klangity inztrument with mah midi controller14:08
jubo2GNU/Linukka audio/studio not easy14:08
BluesKajcat /proc/asound/pcm for digital out14:08
BluesKajjubo2, use proper terms for linux and let's speak real english not some dialect14:09
jubo2that sees them14:09
jubo2but System Settings -> Multimedia sez only "default" card found14:10
jubo2stupid machine not working like it should14:11
BluesKajdo you havbe the drivers listed in  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ? Example: options snd-hda-intel index=0 (for Card 0) the the same for Card1 , probnly your usb soundcard driver14:13
BluesKajthen the same14:14
jubo2I'm not sure if I'm seeing them14:16
BluesKajyuo have to add them14:18
jubo2One day I'm going to get a properly working JACK sink that uses ALSA driver and just input PulseAudio to JACK sinks14:18
jubo2BluesKaj: who/what removed them?14:18
jubo2should I be worried?14:18
BluesKajno , you just need to add them for added recognition14:19
BluesKajit's a modules helper file14:19
jubo2It has # autoloader aliases14:19
jubo2I think those just detect the sound cards in a sequence14:20
jubo2so I'm not seeing a driver loaded specifically14:20
BluesKajdon't think too much, just add them:-)14:21
jubo2BluesKaj: how about I apaste the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf14:21
BluesKajif you wish14:22
jubo2http://apaste.info/vuS14:22
jubo2si vuS souhaitez regarder je vous remercie14:23
BluesKajthe drivers won't show unless you add the lines for the inex as aI pointed out above14:23
BluesKajindex14:23
* jubo2 brews some more coffee and gets some orange juice14:24
BluesKajjubo2, change the bottom line from "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" to "options snd-usb-audio index=1" , no quotes of course . also add, options snd-hda-intel index=014:26
jubo2BluesKaj: ok. right after the orange juice14:26
BluesKajyou'll probly need to reboot14:27
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jubo2BluesKaj: Dänks for helps14:29
jubo2I added those lines14:29
jubo2rebooting now14:29
sorahello14:33
jubo2BluesKaj: no change :(14:35
jubo2only default is seen by System Settings14:35
jubo2The modifications to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf didn't affect that14:35
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BluesKajjubo2, they have to be the same oder in system settings multimedia14:46
BluesKajorder and card #14:46
jubo2they are not in System Settings -> Multimedia14:47
jubo2they just don't show up14:47
jubo2usually you can alter their order switching the integers around14:48
BluesKajthat's because you're still using pulseaudio. it mucks up the situation especially for jack14:49
BluesKajpulseaudio is for regular alsa setups and not fully implemented drivers ...intel doesn't need pulse to work , snd-hda-intal driver is not dependent on pulse14:51
BluesKajntel even14:51
BluesKajbrb14:52
jubo2Ok..15:11
jubo2got this problem15:11
jubo2'aplay -l' lists all cards fine15:11
jubo2but System Settings -> Multimedia -> Audio and Video does not see them15:11
jubo2furthermore audio works on internal speakers but not on 3.5mm stereo jack15:12
CrystalMareEvery now and then15:12
CrystalMareMy entire taskbar freezes15:12
CrystalMareGod,  this is annoying15:13
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BluesKajjubo2, because you have pulseaudio as the sound server. I'm not going to repeat myself again15:16
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mmacheerpuppyHey!!16:50
mmacheerpuppyCan someone give me a hand with disk partitioning for my linux installation?16:50
mmacheerpuppy In the Linux instructions it states, /var and /tmp should be > 5 GiB, So does that mean both VAR and TMP should take a maximum of 5GB ish16:51
mmacheerpuppyor they should each be allocated 5GB16:51
mmacheerpuppyThat's very unclear16:51
mmacheerpuppytake a minimum, rather16:51
mmacheerpuppyNobody here? :(16:53
BluesKajmmacheerpuppy, why do you need /var and /tmp partitions?16:57
mmacheerpuppyBluesKaj: Apparently they are useful for security measures16:58
BluesKajare you on work machine ?16:59
mmacheerpuppyBluesKaj: It will be used at the office16:59
mmacheerpuppyBluesKaj: I can see why you want /tmp16:59
mmacheerpuppyBluesKaj: as fixed but i have no idea how much space i should be allocating17:00
BluesKajis this a work requirement ? because I've never heard that /var and /tmp partitions provide better security17:02
ZaX_valorie: ?17:35
BluesKajZaX_, she's away17:36
ZaX_BluesKaj: Thank's17:36
BluesKajmarked as away, I mean17:36
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FJEIAfter installation of Kubuntu, my PC is locked on black screen when i reboot18:23
Walex2FJEI: that almost always means that the graphics card driver is not right19:27
Walex2FJEI: is it right when you shutdown and restart?19:28
FJEIWalex2: Sometimes at boot, always when i shut down19:30
FJEIWalex2: how i can resolve the problem ?19:30
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sorahello21:54
valoriehmmm, what is the deal with people wanting to speak to me personally? not a good way to get your questions answered, IMO22:33

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