[00:09] <denza242> valorie: probably means "not backdoored"
[00:09] <denza242> JaX: yes
[00:10] <JaX> Yeah denza242
[00:10] <JaX> Thank you, because i have see, canonical tracks users
[00:10] <JaX> Or something like that
[00:13] <valorie> there has always been the option to allow user:agent or so
[00:13] <valorie> but again, that has always been OFF by default
[00:14] <valorie> tracking user:agent, I mean
[00:22] <JaX> valorie: it's the canonical tracker ?
[00:48] <valorie> JaX: no
[00:49] <valorie> sorry don't have time to explain right now, we're going to dinner
[00:49] <JaX> valorie: what is the canonical tracker ?
[00:49] <JaX> ...
[00:49] <valorie> the scopes is I believe what you referred to
[00:49] <valorie> we use *nothing* like that
[00:49] <valorie> nothing at all, and never have
[00:50] <JaX> So ubuntu do not track me, he's good like debian ?
[00:50] <JaX> Free like debian ?
[00:58] <n1cky> I'm getting a lot of graphics issues on wily, Atom Z36xxx/Z37xxx graphics, compositor is set to use OpenGL 3.1 with GLX
[00:59] <n1cky> screen tearing is common, but I have vsync on automatic so I assume I can fix that
[00:59] <n1cky> but the biggest thing is a lot of leftover fragements of windows and taskbar popups
[00:59] <n1cky> Is this fixed / better in upstream KDE?
[02:57] <scott> does someone here know who runs the kubuntu-ci bot?
[02:57] <scott> it's been sending me private notices regarding build failures but I am entirely unaffiliated with kubuntu
[02:57] <scott> might be a fun bug going on :)
[05:34] <valorie> scott: please write to the kubuntu-devel list with the relevant details, like to which email account those emails are being sent
[05:36] <scott> valorie: it's sending me notices here on freenode, not by email
[05:36] <scott> I was hoping there'd be some developers familiar with the bot here - is there a development channel I should check instead?
[05:39] <valorie> #kubuntu-devel
[05:39] <scott> thanks
[05:39] <valorie> those notices used to be in a private chan, and now on that chan
[05:40] <valorie> uber-strange that they are coming to you
[05:40] <scott> yeah, it was certainly surprising
[08:28] <lukas_> hey
[10:12] <francish> Hi all,  I'm a Kubuntu user for a long time and I'm not sure if it's future is secured now. Any official statement from Canonical or Kubuntu Council about this ?
[10:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:17] <francish> Good morning
[10:18] <lordievader> francish: Other people have stood up to replace Riddel. There will at least be a 16.04, and I suppose more.
[10:20] <francish> I would hope so, thanks. Kubuntu council is positive but I could not see any strong sign, apart teh work on 16.04. Thanks and have a nice day
[11:04] <marus> after upgrade my kernel from 3.16.0-55-generic 4.2.0-19-generic, usb and wireless doesn't work, do i have to install something else like extra?
[11:10] <marus> any one know if 4.2.0-19-generic support on 14.04?
[11:12] <marus> okay thanks ...
[11:12] <marus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1424676
[11:15] <lordievader> 4.1.2 works on my 14.04 vm's...
[11:20] <marus> lordievader: there is big diference between vm and pysical host, and 4.2 and 4.1
[11:20] <lordievader> I know, just sharing my experience.
[11:27] <marus> lordievader: thanks ;-)
[11:34] <arnaudoff> hi guys. I'm a new linux user. I've just installed kubuntu. I want to ask you something because I can't figure it out alone.
[11:34] <soee> !ask
[11:35] <arnaudoff> I wish to add some shortcuts and they are: with WIN button to open start menu; with CTRL+ALT+T to open terminal and with WIN+E to open /root
[11:36] <arnaudoff> I've found in start menu - global/standard/custom keyboard shortcuts but don't know how to set these ones I've mentioned
[11:37] <arnaudoff> @soee, thank you in advance, mate
[11:41] <soee> i'm not sure if you can set only META (WIN) key alone as a shortcut
[11:41] <soee> worth to remember: plasma developers call windows key META here
[11:42] <soee> buti think you can use any combination META + XXX to open menu widget
[11:42] <soee> you can right click on menu icon i panel, open menu widget settings and go to Keyboard Shortcuts section an bind some shortcut there
[11:43] <soee> arnaudoff: when it somes to teminal i strongly suggest to install Yakuake
[11:44] <soee> it as a utostarted, hidden by defautl dropdown wrapper for terminal, activated by F12 key - you will love it
[11:46] <arnaudoff> @soee, what are the advantages of yakuake?
[11:47] <arnaudoff> :)
[11:48] <soee> it looks liek this: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/12/19/snapshot40.png
[11:48] <Fritigern> arnaudoff: I agree with soee, yakuake rocks. It should be possible to open Yakuake with a custom shortcut.
[11:48] <arnaudoff> I've justs installed it and assign ctrl+alt+k to it.
[11:48] <arnaudoff> ctrl+alt+t *
[11:48] <soee> you have it running in teh bacground, dont have to start it each time you need temrinal access etc. is tupports tabs and all the other tuf.
[11:48] <arnaudoff> thanks.
[11:49] <arnaudoff> should I install another file manager or Dolphin is good?
[11:49] <soee> lol :D Dolphin is teh best !
[11:49] <Fritigern> As for the Win+E thing, it should be possible to write a simple script that's invoked by Win+E. However, why would you want to open /root?
[11:49] <soee> just play with it a bit and you will notice how powerful it is
[11:51] <arnaudoff> @Fritigern, as I said, I'm a new linux user and I'm NOT much familiar with using only the terminal. I've been using Windows for years and I'm used to open "My computer" this way (Meta+E). :)
[11:52] <Fritigern> Ah, I see. In that case you will want to open /home/<your login name> instead. A quick notation of that would be ~/
[11:53] <soee> and it equals opening Dolphin :D
[11:53] <arnaudoff> I've just set it. :D
[11:53] <Fritigern> So if you were to write a script (kinda like a batch file) you would want it to use the command "dolphin ~/" only without quotes
[11:53] <arnaudoff> But Dolphin cannot be closed with Meta+W
[11:53] <arnaudoff> :D
[11:54] <Fritigern> You can close it with Alt+F4,
[11:54] <soee> CTRL + Q
[11:54] <soee> Q = Quit  (linux make it more sens)
[11:57] <Fritigern> BTW arnaudoff, I am a self-proclaimed GUI addict, and II will usually prefer NOT using the terminal. Having said that, there are times when I do prefer the terminal, like when I am searching for a file, or updating Kubuntu.
[11:59] <Fritigern> Anyway, I totally get what you are coming from. I made the switch 10 years ago and I remember how odd everything seemed in Linux, like not having drive letters, or having to setting a script as executable before I could run it.
[12:02] <alex__> yuio
[12:03] <arnaudoff> Fritigern, I like that someone understands me. :)
[12:04] <Fritigern> I think most people here will understand you. We all started using Linux at some part of our lives. Some just have been using it longer than others
[12:06] <soee> Fritigern: and don you have this feeling now that Windows is kinda stange :D ?
[12:06] <Fritigern> Heh, I do. Whenever I have to use Windows i'm like "why can;t it work like Linux?" :-)
[12:07] <soee> true, true :)
[12:08] <Fritigern> Whenever I need a terminal in Windows, I will first try to usre Powershell, after all, many Linux-style commands will work, like lls of example (the only one that I can think of off the top of my head)
[12:09] <Fritigern> That was suppoeds to be ls, not lls.
[12:13] <Fritigern> Welcome back, arnaudoff
[12:13] <arnaudoff> I've tried Linux Mint as first distro because a friend of mine told me that Mint's closest to Windows interface
[12:14] <Fritigern> IMO KDE/Plasma is closer than Gnome.
[12:14] <arnaudoff> But it was running slow and I don't enjoy it at all.
[12:15] <arnaudoff> Then, other friends suggest me trying Ubuntu but finally I chose the kubuntu.
[12:15] <Fritigern> Yeah, the Ubuntu interface (called Unity) is not every intuitive if you are used to Windows
[12:16] <Fritigern> every = very
[12:19] <AwN> valorie: ?
[12:22] <arnaudoff> @Fritigern, I have ASUS X550VB and it has a technology called Smart Gesture. You can make different things with your touchpad, i.e. sliding down with three fingers minimizing all open apps.
[12:23] <arnaudoff> I'm really missing it here.
[12:23] <arnaudoff> Because ASUS made this driver for Windows only.
[12:27] <Fritigern> That's a toughy, I don;t know if there is an alternative driver for that under Linux. I could have a look, but don;t count on anything
[12:27] <arnaudoff> want to ask you something else
[12:27] <arnaudoff> have you ever used elementaryos?
[12:29] <Fritigern> I've found this, but I can not guarantee that it will work for you. http://askubuntu.com/questions/609228/asus-x750ja-and-ubuntu-gnome-14-04/611936#611936
[12:29] <arnaudoff> I'm asking you this because I've a dilemma which one to install - kubuntu or elementaryos :D
[12:30] <JustME> arnaudoff: Kubuntu has a tracker ?
[12:30] <Fritigern> To be honest, I have no experience with ElementaryOS
[12:30] <JustME> I wait valorie i want speak with him
[12:30] <arnaudoff> JustME, what?
[12:33] <JustME> arnaudoff: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
[12:35] <JustME> http://framablog.org/2012/12/08/stallman-ubuntu-espion/
[12:37] <Fritigern> JustME: That issue has been resolved a long time ago
[12:48] <soee_> JustME: valorie is a woman :D
[12:48] <soee_> https://twitter.com/valoriez?lang=pl
[12:49] <internetpanda> so I installed kubuntu on my macbook and all was fine then I went and changed the time format to de and now it won't load anything in kde
[12:49] <internetpanda> it says Error loading QML file:
[12:49] <internetpanda>                     file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.panel/conte
[12:49] <internetpanda>                     nts/ui/main.qml:25:1: plugin cannot be loaded for
[12:49] <internetpanda>                     module "org.kde.kquickcontrolsaddons": Cannot load
[12:49] <internetpanda>                     library /usr
[12:50] <internetpanda> help me kubuntu wan kenobi you're my only hope
[12:50] <JustME> Sorry valorie & soee_ ^^
[12:51] <soee_> internetpanda: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355618
[12:52] <soee_> so the status is: Status RESOLVED FIXED
[12:52] <soee_> probably in Plasma 5.5
[12:53] <internetpanda> so how can I fix it soee_ ?
[12:54] <JustME> What is the last version of Plasma, in Kubuntu ?
[12:54] <JustME> Plasma 5.5.1 ?
[12:55] <soee_> 5.4.3
[12:56] <JustME> And how can i have the logo who jump with the mouse when i launch an app ?
[12:56] <soee_> internetpanda: i do not know, i'm not sure if this has been fixed exactyl in new Plasma (probalby). You can try the hard way: reset system settings by removing .kde and .config files
[12:56] <soee_> *directories
[12:57] <internetpanda> soee_, will it recreate them?
[12:58] <soee_> internetpanda: yes
[12:59] <soee_> JustME: i think this is defautl behaviour / either way chech System Settings -> Appplications -> Launch Feedback
[12:59] <internetpanda> I do recovery mode and root console from there
[12:59] <internetpanda> but it loads the filesystem as read only
[13:00] <internetpanda> so it wont let me delete .kde and .config
[13:00] <soee_> use sudo
[13:00] <internetpanda> I am logged in as root already
[13:00] <internetpanda> sudo rm -rvf .kde doesnt work either
[13:00] <internetpanda> says read only
[13:01] <soee_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870817
[13:03] <internetpanda> that worked for removal but the problem persists
[13:03] <internetpanda> are the settings only in the user folder?
[13:04] <Fritigern> My advice, do NOT remove those folders, but rename them instead
[13:04] <Fritigern> Ah, too late
[13:06] <internetpanda> I will just reinstall and not change the date I guess
[13:07] <internetpanda> that's pretty shitty
[13:15] <mmacheerpuppy> Hi
[13:15] <mmacheerpuppy> Anybody here?
[13:16] <mmacheerpuppy> I'm looking for some support on installing Kubuntu via Crouton
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:24] <CrystalMare> How do I get rid of these two icons, https://i.imgur.com/xmUg858.png
[13:26] <CrystalMare> There's no easy way of removing them
[13:26] <lordievader> CrystalMare: Unlock the taskbar and remove them?
[13:26] <CrystalMare> There's no unlock option
[13:27] <CrystalMare> lordievader, There's no unlock option
[13:28] <lordievader> CrystalMare: Right click task bar -> Panel options -> Panel settings -> remove icons
[13:29] <CrystalMare> k
[13:29] <CrystalMare> got it
[13:29] <CrystalMare> -1 for kde
[13:29] <CrystalMare> Took me too long to figure this out
[13:29] <lordievader> ?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare, well now you know that right click on the panel gives you several options , that's a plus in my book
[13:33] <mmacheerpuppy> Hey
[13:33] <mmacheerpuppy> ANybody here?
[13:33] <mmacheerpuppy> Anybody here*
[13:33] <BluesKaj> check the nicklist
[13:34] <mmacheerpuppy> Yeah but that doesn't show me who is AFK
[13:34] <mmacheerpuppy> rofl
[13:34] <BluesKaj> that depends on your client
[13:34] <mmacheerpuppy> Does anybody know the KUBUNTU 15.10 installation repository name?
[13:34] <mmacheerpuppy> I'm trying to get it
[13:34] <mmacheerpuppy> but I can't find what it's called anywhere
[13:35] <lordievader> Do you mean archive.ubuntu.com?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> mmacheerpuppy, looking for the iso image?
[13:35] <mmacheerpuppy> Perhaps, I'm new to the OS. I've got Kubuntu running on my Windows OS. However I want to get it running on my Chromebook.
[13:36] <mmacheerpuppy> Now when I use Crouton I try sudo sh -e crouton -t "kubuntu-desktop"
[13:36] <mmacheerpuppy> I'm not sure if I need to go ahead and make an unbuntu installation before I can install kubuntu
[13:37] <mmacheerpuppy> All I can find on Google is a lot of old information as to how I'd go about installing the KDE over Ubuntu, and that's not what I want.
[13:37] <mmacheerpuppy> because the KDE environment in question as far as I'm aware isn't the same thing as Kubuntu 15.10
[13:37] <mmacheerpuppy> So with no specific instructions on how to install these kinds of packages for a new user this is a bit frustrating
[13:38] <lordievader> "Kubuntu running on my Windows OS", what do you mean with that? Virtualized?
[13:38] <lordievader> What version of Ubuntu does Crouton install?
[13:38] <mmacheerpuppy> Sorry, I have it in dual boot via GRUB
[13:39] <BluesKaj> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-10/
[13:39] <mmacheerpuppy> Umm let me see
[13:40] <lordievader> mmacheerpuppy: You do realize Kubuntu is little more than Ubuntu core + KDE, right?
[13:40] <mmacheerpuppy> Yes
[13:40] <mmacheerpuppy> That's what I've gathered from googling
[13:41] <mmacheerpuppy> So whilst I can find instructions on how to install KDE (which people claim is KDE/Kunbuntu (but that can't be quite right) via Crouton)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> !flavor
[13:41] <lordievader> mmacheerpuppy: That is rather correct though ;)
[13:42] <BluesKaj> wth is crouton?
[13:42] <lordievader> BluesKaj: A Chromebook thing for installing Ubuntu.
[13:42] <mmacheerpuppy> Basically installs a linux distro over ChromeOS
[13:42] <BluesKaj> ok lordievader, thanks
[13:43] <mmacheerpuppy> You can choose between using sudo sh -e crouton [this is the package] -t "repository name here"
[13:43] <mmacheerpuppy> so something like
[13:43] <mmacheerpuppy> sudo sh -e crouton -t xfce
[13:43] <mmacheerpuppy> would work
[13:44] <BluesKaj> thought you wanted kde plasma desktop
[13:44] <mmacheerpuppy> Well I'm new to Linux and what I want is the same Kubuntu 15.10 provided in the ISO image
[13:44] <mmacheerpuppy> installing via Crouton
[13:44] <lordievader> mmacheerpuppy: So what version of Ubuntu does it install? 14.04?
[13:45] <mmacheerpuppy> lordievader: I could go ahead and make the Unbuntu installation now, and I believe so, yes.
[13:47] <lordievader> Right, 14.04 has Plasma4, 15.10 has Plasma5. I think that that is the difference you are reffering to.
[13:48] <mmacheerpuppy> lordievader: To me that claim would mean, Unbuntu 14.04 has Plasma4 and Kubuntu 14.04 (which contains Plasma 4) is the same as Unbuntu 14.04
[13:49] <mmacheerpuppy> But that's not right
[13:49] <mmacheerpuppy> What I want is the ISO image for Kubuntu at http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[13:49] <lordievader> How is that not right?
[13:49] <lordievader> Kubuntu and Ubuntu share the same core and repositories.
[13:49] <mmacheerpuppy> lordievader: Well http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ looks NOTHING like Unbuntu 14.04
[13:50] <lordievader> Correct, that is Plasma5.
[13:50] <mmacheerpuppy> lordievader: I want it to be EXACTLY the same
[13:50] <lordievader> mmacheerpuppy: Get Crouton to install 15.10.
[13:50] <mmacheerpuppy> lordievader: So what you're saying is, Kubuntu + Plasma 5 == Unbuntu
[13:50] <lordievader> No.
[13:50] <mmacheerpuppy> unbuntu + plasma 5 == kubuntu *
[13:50] <mmacheerpuppy> sorry
[13:50] <lordievader> Yes. That is correct.
[13:51] <mmacheerpuppy> okay
[13:52] <BluesKaj> not unbuntu, it ubuntu btw, but you want kubuntu 15.10 which has kde/plasma 5 by default
[13:54] <lordievader> I took Unbuntu to be a typo, is it actually something different?
[13:55] <mmacheerpuppy> lordievader: That is a typo, yes. I spent all night working first line support
[13:55] <mmacheerpuppy> lordievader: it was pretty cancerous
[13:58] <jubo2> mmmhh..
[13:58] <jubo2> trying to get ALSA MIDI -> JACK MIDI to work just appeared to cause that the internal nor external soundcard are being detected
[14:02] <BluesKaj> jubo2, cat /proc/asound/modules , what does it show?
[14:05] <jubo2> BluesKaj: it sees the hda intel and the 2 pcs usb audio
[14:05] <jubo2> It's only a 2-tracker
[14:05] <jubo2> kinda weird it shows 2
[14:06] <BluesKaj> deepnds if you habve both analog and digital outs connected then it shows 2
[14:07] <jubo2> digital out.. to the USB?
[14:07] <jubo2> I got message today that they have shipped my mixer
[14:07] <BluesKaj> I have both connected so the modules show 2
[14:07] <jubo2> that's at least reliable analog technology
[14:08] <jubo2> I was just trying to play klingity-klangity inztrument with mah midi controller
[14:08] <jubo2> GNU/Linukka audio/studio not easy
[14:08] <BluesKaj> cat /proc/asound/pcm for digital out
[14:09] <BluesKaj> jubo2, use proper terms for linux and let's speak real english not some dialect
[14:09] <jubo2> that sees them
[14:10] <jubo2> but System Settings -> Multimedia sez only "default" card found
[14:11] <jubo2> stupid machine not working like it should
[14:13] <BluesKaj> do you havbe the drivers listed in  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ? Example: options snd-hda-intel index=0 (for Card 0) the the same for Card1 , probnly your usb soundcard driver
[14:14] <BluesKaj> then the same
[14:16] <jubo2> I'm not sure if I'm seeing them
[14:18] <BluesKaj> yuo have to add them
[14:18] <jubo2> One day I'm going to get a properly working JACK sink that uses ALSA driver and just input PulseAudio to JACK sinks
[14:18] <jubo2> BluesKaj: who/what removed them?
[14:18] <jubo2> should I be worried?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> no , you just need to add them for added recognition
[14:19] <BluesKaj> it's a modules helper file
[14:19] <jubo2> It has # autoloader aliases
[14:20] <jubo2> I think those just detect the sound cards in a sequence
[14:20] <jubo2> so I'm not seeing a driver loaded specifically
[14:21] <BluesKaj> don't think too much, just add them:-)
[14:21] <jubo2> BluesKaj: how about I apaste the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[14:22] <BluesKaj> if you wish
[14:22] <jubo2> http://apaste.info/vuS
[14:23] <jubo2> si vuS souhaitez regarder je vous remercie
[14:23] <BluesKaj> the drivers won't show unless you add the lines for the inex as aI pointed out above
[14:23] <BluesKaj> index
[14:24]  * jubo2 brews some more coffee and gets some orange juice
[14:26] <BluesKaj> jubo2, change the bottom line from "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" to "options snd-usb-audio index=1" , no quotes of course . also add, options snd-hda-intel index=0
[14:26] <jubo2> BluesKaj: ok. right after the orange juice
[14:27] <BluesKaj> you'll probly need to reboot
[14:29] <jubo2> BluesKaj: Dänks for helps
[14:29] <jubo2> I added those lines
[14:29] <jubo2> rebooting now
[14:33] <sora> hello
[14:35] <jubo2> BluesKaj: no change :(
[14:35] <jubo2> only default is seen by System Settings
[14:35] <jubo2> The modifications to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf didn't affect that
[14:46] <BluesKaj> jubo2, they have to be the same oder in system settings multimedia
[14:46] <BluesKaj> order and card #
[14:47] <jubo2> they are not in System Settings -> Multimedia
[14:47] <jubo2> they just don't show up
[14:48] <jubo2> usually you can alter their order switching the integers around
[14:49] <BluesKaj> that's because you're still using pulseaudio. it mucks up the situation especially for jack
[14:51] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is for regular alsa setups and not fully implemented drivers ...intel doesn't need pulse to work , snd-hda-intal driver is not dependent on pulse
[14:51] <BluesKaj> ntel even
[14:52] <BluesKaj> brb
[15:11] <jubo2> Ok..
[15:11] <jubo2> got this problem
[15:11] <jubo2> 'aplay -l' lists all cards fine
[15:11] <jubo2> but System Settings -> Multimedia -> Audio and Video does not see them
[15:12] <jubo2> furthermore audio works on internal speakers but not on 3.5mm stereo jack
[15:12] <CrystalMare> Every now and then
[15:12] <CrystalMare> My entire taskbar freezes
[15:13] <CrystalMare> God,  this is annoying
[15:16] <BluesKaj> jubo2, because you have pulseaudio as the sound server. I'm not going to repeat myself again
[16:50] <mmacheerpuppy> Hey!!
[16:50] <mmacheerpuppy> Can someone give me a hand with disk partitioning for my linux installation?
[16:51] <mmacheerpuppy>  In the Linux instructions it states, /var and /tmp should be > 5 GiB, So does that mean both VAR and TMP should take a maximum of 5GB ish
[16:51] <mmacheerpuppy> or they should each be allocated 5GB
[16:51] <mmacheerpuppy> That's very unclear
[16:51] <mmacheerpuppy> take a minimum, rather
[16:53] <mmacheerpuppy> Nobody here? :(
[16:57] <BluesKaj> mmacheerpuppy, why do you need /var and /tmp partitions?
[16:58] <mmacheerpuppy> BluesKaj: Apparently they are useful for security measures
[16:59] <BluesKaj> are you on work machine ?
[16:59] <mmacheerpuppy> BluesKaj: It will be used at the office
[16:59] <mmacheerpuppy> BluesKaj: I can see why you want /tmp
[17:00] <mmacheerpuppy> BluesKaj: as fixed but i have no idea how much space i should be allocating
[17:02] <BluesKaj> is this a work requirement ? because I've never heard that /var and /tmp partitions provide better security
[17:35] <ZaX_> valorie: ?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> ZaX_, she's away
[17:36] <ZaX_> BluesKaj: Thank's
[17:36] <BluesKaj> marked as away, I mean
[18:23] <FJEI> After installation of Kubuntu, my PC is locked on black screen when i reboot
[19:27] <Walex2> FJEI: that almost always means that the graphics card driver is not right
[19:28] <Walex2> FJEI: is it right when you shutdown and restart?
[19:30] <FJEI> Walex2: Sometimes at boot, always when i shut down
[19:30] <FJEI> Walex2: how i can resolve the problem ?
[21:54] <sora> hello
[22:33] <valorie> hmmm, what is the deal with people wanting to speak to me personally? not a good way to get your questions answered, IMO