[02:30] <kowak> my phone won't boot with ubuntu touch 15.04, only boots on 14.09 and 16.04. anyone have same issue?
[05:18]  * savankatara slaps savankatara around a bit with a large fishbot
[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:57] <Atton> Hello. I need to change an alarm but the app won't show me the bottom edge drawer anymore. I've found the application database under ~/.local, but can't find it there. Where can I find and edit alarms with the terminal? Thanks
[10:11] <myrmidon> Any roadmap for making UT more multi-task worthy?
[10:11] <myrmidon> Some of the restrictions are quite annoying
[10:15] <myrmidon> I know this can be changed with RW but shouldn't terminal stuff at least, be unrestricted?
[10:15] <myrmidon> by default
[10:29] <jgdx> myrmidon, this was discussed in a lengthy thread on the mailing list not long ago. Maybe it's worth taking a look at that.
[14:16] <myrmidon> jgdx, oh was it, I'll have a search for that then
[16:08] <Magui> anybody here know how I can order the meizu ubuntu phone?  I've looked through the store links from meizu's website, and I'm having trouble finding someone who offers this phone.  also, I'm in the U.S., and I need to find a seller who will ship overseas.
[16:09] <pmcgowan> Magui, meizu no longer sells it, would need to find it second hand
[16:12] <Magui> pmcgowan:   I see.  that explains a lot.
[16:12] <noFreePhone> Can somebody clarify this on the install page. If I understand correctly, `adb backup -apk -shared -all` only backs up _some_ of your data.
[16:12] <noFreePhone> I believe it will not, for example, back up google authenticator settings.
[16:13] <noFreePhone> There should be some sort of warning around that.
[16:13] <noFreePhone> Or correct me if I am wrong.
[16:27] <jgdx> can't really ask upstream adb to add warnings for ubuntu users
[16:42] <noFreePhone> jgdx: I meant just adding something to that page prior to that step.
[16:44] <noFreePhone> "The following command will back up some of the data on your phone. Some apps do not implement the backup protocol, and their data will not be backed up."
[16:45] <noFreePhone> jgdx: I intend to file an upstream bug on AOSP as well.
[16:48] <davmor2> noFreePhone: adb is android based, they will not care about modifying for Ubuntu touch it isn't android
[16:48] <jgdx> I think he's referring to the step prior to installing ubuntu
[16:48] <davmor2> noFreePhone: adb is the thing that would trigger the warning
[16:49] <jgdx> noFreePhone, maybe suggest it here instead: https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+filebug
[16:49] <davmor2> jgdx: I think we need our own backup tool to be honest
[16:49] <jgdx> davmor2, we do
[16:49] <davmor2> and not reley on adb tools at all
[16:51] <noFreePhone> But with ubuntu touch I could create a full filesystem image, right?
[16:51] <noFreePhone> So that I would have point-in-time restore capability?
[16:51] <jgdx> noFreePhone, perhaps not a warning, but a link to the adb docs: E.g. "For information on what is backed up by adb, please refer to <url>"
[16:54] <noFreePhone> jgdx: I don't see such docs. Do you know where they would be?
[16:55] <noFreePhone> I expected them here: http://developer.android.com/tools/help/adb.html
[16:55] <noFreePhone> But that page doesn't seem to have really any useful info on it.
[17:00] <kowak> 30mb free ram is normal on ubuntu touch port?
[17:00] <jgdx> noFreePhone, hm, doesn't seem to exist, no. Sad
[17:02] <noFreePhone> jgdx: This is why I am looking to find something reasonable for a sophisticated user.
[17:02]  * noFreePhone doesn't really want to go back to his neo1973
[17:03] <jgdx> kowak, /proc/meminfo and http://linux-mm.org/Low_On_Memory for details
[17:04] <jgdx> kowak, seems my mako has 30MB free ram as well
[17:06] <kowak> jgdx, you mako have touch delay/lag on 15.04 and up?
[18:36] <dobey> noFreePhone: even if you were able to back up all the data on your android device, it won't be useful after installing ubuntu, as ubuntu isn't a fork of android and you can't run those apps. you'll need to use a different app for 2fa and re-add all your accounts to the new app, so hopefully you already have some method for that other than the google app on your phone, so that you can still access them after installing ubuntu
[18:38] <noFreePhone> dobey: Yes, I always check my backups somehow before actually wiping a device, so I do not have an issue.
[18:39] <noFreePhone> But clearly it would be possible for someone who had a robust two factor setup without recovery codes to be screwed.
[18:41] <noFreePhone> But the whole idea of a backup is to be able to get back to a known good state (reflash android and restore from backup). And the adb backup doesn't provide that for several important use cases.
[18:42] <noFreePhone> dobey: in that vein, is there a google authenticator compatible app for ubuntu touch?
[18:44] <dobey> noFreePhone: there is an app like google authenticator which supports using the qr codes and oath protocol, yes. i don't think you can take the data file from the google android app and stick it on the disk somewhere in ubuntu for this app to use it though
[18:44] <noFreePhone> dobey: right, no, I wouldn't presume so.
[18:44] <dobey> afaik, the data is stored differently on disk, but mzanetti_ would know for sure, since he wrote it
[18:45] <noFreePhone> Just as long as I can still have two factor enabled (even if it must be set up again). Have to have it for work.
[21:41] <gbrl1982> hello!
[21:43] <gbrl1982> hi argon!
[21:44] <gbrl1982> not a busy daytime
[21:45] <k1l> nope
[21:45] <gbrl1982> first time, but maybe not last
[21:46] <k1l> its more busy in european office hours :)
[21:47] <gbrl1982> user/developer? anybody?
[21:48] <gbrl1982> tnx for info
[21:49] <pmcgowan> people are around but its getting quiet for the holidays, just drop your questions in
[21:49] <gbrl1982> wtf? how? ehhhr... little buttons..
[21:53] <gbrl1982> I'm fine, just wanna see a UniwarHD for ubuntu touch app. ;-) This will made my holiday!
[22:24] <tripleclones> hi, anyone offer any help with a 24 million minute lock out?
[22:25] <argon18> what?
[22:25] <tripleclones> the phone has locked and says I have to wait 24 million minutes
[22:26] <jgdx> a just penalty
[22:26] <tripleclones> nexus 5 running a stable image from ubports if it's relevant
[22:26] <popey> i think i recall someone discussing that here last week
[22:27] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/12/17/%23ubuntu-touch.html#t16:44
[22:27] <popey> between robin_hero and pmcgowan
[22:28] <tripleclones> superb cheers - I'll have a read :)
[22:28] <tripleclones> ah date
[22:46] <tripleclones> so just reboot until it registers correct date
[22:46] <tripleclones> and there was blaming my son :)
[22:46] <tripleclones> me*
[23:18] <ljp> thats 45 years of a lock. awesome
[23:21]  * mcphail wonders how many linux users were born on the epoch, and can measure their age by the system clock?
[23:40] <talonz> is there any music app on ubuntu touch that supports deezer ? or an unoffical deezer app ??
[23:41] <JanC> I guess Deezer has a web interface?
[23:42] <talonz> yeah was just googling that
[23:43] <ahayzen> talonz, can't see an (web)app in the store, do they have an API ?
[23:43] <JanC> there seems to be no app in the store yet (not even a webapp)
[23:45] <talonz> ahayzen: yeah https://developers.deezer.com/api
[23:46] <talonz> they have a webapp on ubuntu but not ut
[23:46] <ahayzen> talonz, do you know if it is an open API ? as in free to use ?
[23:46] <JanC> you need a developer ID, it seems
[23:46] <ahayzen> says i have to login to get to that page :-/
[23:46] <ahayzen> ah
[23:47] <ahayzen> well its another one for the list i suppose :-)
[23:47] <talonz> lol you are a champ ahayzen
[23:47] <ahayzen> heh :-)
[23:48] <JanC> or just a user account, not sure
[23:48] <ahayzen> talonz, just of interest, which streaming services do you use? just deezer?
[23:49] <talonz> yeah just deezer spotify doesnt work very nicely with 4g in tasmania
[23:50] <ahayzen> ah cool :-)
[23:50] <talonz> i can get to that page with just a user account