| daftykins | never fly without them | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| * diddledan_ slaps daftykins with a lemon napkin | 00:11 | |
| daftykins | "oof" | 00:11 |
| daftykins | so, Juniper trouble | 00:11 |
| penguin42 | ? | 00:11 |
| penguin42 | have they figured out who did it yet? | 00:12 |
| daftykins | only just heard of the situation in another channel, nasty stuff! | 00:12 |
| penguin42 | yeh, the question is how did someone manage to get code into their system | 00:13 |
| penguin42 | I mean most likely is they compromised one of their devs laptops/desktops, but then somehow managed to push that change throughm, unless they managed to compromise someone in the release chains dev system | 00:14 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 00:16 |
| penguin42 | but it feels nation state level, either that or someone paid off one of the devs | 00:17 |
| daftykins | one of those times when proactive admins patching early have ruined things for themselves | 00:18 |
| penguin42 | I mean even if you compromised a devs laptop, and realised you had, you still wouldn't understand their development processes or their codebase | 00:18 |
| penguin42 | how old is the version that first had the problem? | 00:19 |
| penguin42 | so, a more important -uk question; Russians drink Tea a lot don't they? So the Russian cosmonauts drink tea? So why did Tim have to figure out how to make Tea in orbit? | 00:21 |
| diddledan_ | lol | 00:35 |
| daftykins | :> | 00:35 |
| diddledan_ | so what happened at juniper? I've not seen that one yet | 00:35 |
| penguin42 | diddledan_: They found a couple of backdoors in their router code | 00:36 |
| diddledan_ | eep | 00:36 |
| daftykins | yay VM shutdown at last, now i can sleep :) nn \o | 00:36 |
| diddledan_ | like someone actually inserted a back door? | 00:36 |
| penguin42 | diddledan_: They describe it as 'unauthorised code' | 00:36 |
| diddledan_ | rather than just a mistake? | 00:36 |
| diddledan_ | ouch | 00:36 |
| diddledan_ | that's nassy | 00:36 |
| penguin42 | http://forums.juniper.net/t5/Security-Incident-Response/Important-Announcement-about-ScreenOS/ba-p/285554 | 00:37 |
| diddledan | bouncy daftykins | 01:08 |
| diddledan | (30 minutes later) | 01:08 |
| diddledan | WEEE | 02:10 |
| diddledan | bouncy bouncy me | 02:10 |
| mapps | homeland finale;D | 03:30 |
| knightwise | morning | 06:28 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:52 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:16 |
| MooDoo | morning davmor2 | 09:18 |
| === ujjain- is now known as ujjain | ||
| === john-mca` is now known as john-mcaleely | ||
| knightwise | yoyo | 10:01 |
| davmor2 | yoyo that like a boomaring with a string | 10:05 |
| knightwise | Righton ! | 10:06 |
| gh00st_ | MOTD | 10:06 |
| === _stowa_ is now known as _stowa | ||
| === gh00st_ is now known as gh00st | ||
| === geheimni1` is now known as geheimnis` | ||
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:33 |
| davmor2 | So guys when do you all break up | 10:37 |
| foobarry_ | 23rd | 10:37 |
| === foobarry_ is now known as foobarry | ||
| davmor2 | 22nd for me \o/ | 10:41 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: 'ow am ya | 10:41 |
| bigcalm | About 3pm on the 24th :| | 10:43 |
| bigcalm | Better than nout | 10:43 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: wrist pain, good otherwise ta. Keeping well yourself? | 10:43 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: turning into a right yam-yam you are | 10:44 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: dude what did you do wrong 24th buy the boss a copy of Christmas Carol for Christmas ;) | 10:45 |
| * davmor2 starts calling bigcalm cratchet | 10:45 | |
| bigcalm | Boss has been off since Thursday last week | 10:45 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: see definitely something wrong with that ;) | 10:46 |
| bigcalm | At least the office is closed until the 4th Jan | 10:46 |
| davmor2 | I'm good thanks, bad knee, back, neck and shoulder but other than that good :) | 10:46 |
| davmor2 | big and if you are calling someone a yam-yam at least say am instead of are at the end ;) | 10:48 |
| brobosti1on | morning boys and girls. | 10:48 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: missed the tab ^ | 10:48 |
| === brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon | ||
| MooDoo | I finish 24th too | 10:52 |
| MooDoo | treated myself to a new nas at the weekend :D | 10:53 |
| foobarry | which one MooDoo | 10:57 |
| bigcalm | Anybody wearing an xmasy jumper this week? I'm sporting some wonderful lines of rain deer and snow flakes | 11:06 |
| Myrtti | I went head to to Christmas on Saturday | 11:06 |
| Myrtti | s/to to/to toe/ | 11:06 |
| Myrtti | red shoes, red penguin leggings, red penguin jumper, red hairbow, red nails, jingly earrings | 11:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | all i had for my last d&d game pre crimbo was a baseball cap with reindeer anthlers :-) | 11:08 |
| brobostigon | my gf likes big jungling earrings as well, you get the feeling sometimes you will get your eye poked out by them, lol. | 11:09 |
| foobarry | zmoylan-pi: naked D&D? | 11:09 |
| brobostigon | jingling* | 11:09 |
| foobarry | strip D&D | 11:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | naked gamers, no no, you never get invited back... or so i hear... | 11:09 |
| foobarry | gagh , doesn't look like the cyangoen bug plagueing my phone will be fixed anytime soon | 11:10 |
| brobostigon | whats the bug? | 11:10 |
| foobarry | get reboots if using data/call while switching between wifi/mobile zones | 11:10 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: there are some lovely Moomin prints in a local art shop on my way to work. Tempting but difficult to justify the £39 | 11:10 |
| foobarry | walk out of building while receiving or sending hangouts message...reboot | 11:10 |
| * brobostigon makes a note. | 11:10 | |
| Myrtti | bigcalm: mm. I'll just knit my own. | 11:11 |
| foobarry | https://jira.cyanogenmod.org/browse/NIGHTLIES-1715 | 11:11 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: next year I expect a picture of you in, gold shoes, brown leggins, green jumper complete with leds that flash and tree ornaments tinsel etc and an angel hat ;) | 11:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | didn't get a full turnout so we played board games instead... small world was a fun game but takes a while to play... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/678722117442125824/photo/1 | 11:11 |
| brobostigon | foobarry: cm21.1 or cm13 ? | 11:11 |
| foobarry | 12.1 | 11:11 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: you knit Moomin artwork? | 11:11 |
| brobostigon | ok, | 11:11 |
| Myrtti | bigcalm: arduino/raspi controlled electronic knitting machine | 11:11 |
| brobostigon | foobarry: let me test it out here, i am curious. | 11:11 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: :D | 11:11 |
| foobarry | what device u have? | 11:11 |
| foobarry | model: | 11:12 |
| foobarry | falcon, hammerhead, hammerheadcaf, shamu, tomato, trltexx | 11:12 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: man that sounds awesome to be fair :) | 11:12 |
| bigcalm | I'll take a photo of the shop window later, if I remember | 11:12 |
| brobostigon | foobarry: nexus 4 | 11:12 |
| brobostigon | mako | 11:12 |
| foobarry | oh so maybe unaffeted | 11:13 |
| Myrtti | davmor2, bigcalm https://www.flickr.com/gp/myrtti/0246j6 | 11:14 |
| brobostigon | i dont know, hence i want to see. | 11:14 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: magic :D | 11:15 |
| foobarry | i get it while whatsapp/hangout or while making a call when leaving or arriving at teh office or home | 11:15 |
| brobostigon | foobarry: ok, let me make a note an test it, i am curious. | 11:15 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: nice so that was done on an arduino/raspi knitting machine nice | 11:15 |
| foobarry | did u see the link i posted/ | 11:15 |
| foobarry | to teh bug? | 11:16 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: what link | 11:16 |
| foobarry | was talking to brobostigon sorry https://jira.cyanogenmod.org/browse/NIGHTLIES-1715 | 11:16 |
| brobostigon | ty foobarry | 11:17 |
| Myrtti | talking of hacking and nerdy stuff https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/skrolli-a-printed-computer-culture-magazine#/story | 11:21 |
| Myrtti | I killed the convo :-( | 12:04 |
| brobostigon | :( | 12:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | oh i do that all the time ::picks up nerf pistol and blows across tip of barrel:: :-) | 12:05 |
| * brobostigon also, | 12:05 | |
| penguin42 | hmm it's wet out there | 12:27 |
| davmor2 | it's worse than that......he's dead jim, dead jim, dead jim :D | 12:29 |
| penguin42 | who, where? | 12:30 |
| SuperEngineer | wet-wipes onb the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow... | 12:30 |
| davmor2 | mourns the loss of Jimmy Hill, I mean what happens to chinny raccoon now | 12:32 |
| stemount | pwd | 12:32 |
| stemount | living the dream | 12:32 |
| mapps | 8 days holiday left;D | 13:05 |
| mapps | going to use a week and go to Slovakia and then Prague :) | 13:06 |
| penguin42 | well if it carries on the way I've started it so far then I'll just be sitting here yawning for the next 2 weeks | 13:06 |
| * penguin42 should get dressed | 13:06 | |
| mapps | no job? | 13:06 |
| mapps | hm | 13:06 |
| penguin42 | mapps: it's holiday! | 13:07 |
| mapps | ah | 13:07 |
| SuperEngineer | penguin42, penguins should always be wearing at least a waistcoat! | 13:07 |
| mapps | i still have to work | 13:08 |
| mapps | work xmas day/boxing day,off today and xmas eve | 13:08 |
| penguin42 | SuperEngineer: well we don't go out in public in our dressing gown :-) | 13:08 |
| SuperEngineer | lol | 13:08 |
| penguin42 | mapps: Not working until the new year | 13:09 |
| mapps | nice | 13:11 |
| mapps | doesnt count as holiday days? | 13:11 |
| mapps | only hassle is getting to Malaga at 430am | 13:13 |
| mapps | 6am flight to Bratilava | 13:13 |
| mapps | UGH | 13:13 |
| * knightwise still working | 13:13 | |
| SuperEngineer | whilst everybody's relaxed; anybody fancy giving me a clue on the following from gpodder log [it's leaving me far from relaxed] | 13:13 |
| SuperEngineer | been trying to sort for days! | 13:13 |
| mapps | £48 Malaga -> Slovakia :D how cheap | 13:13 |
| SuperEngineer | [it refers to finding that gpodder, lifrea & rhytmbox all fail on an https rss feed | 13:14 |
| SuperEngineer | [linux voice is the only https feed used, both firefox & chromium reach this & all other https fully ok] | 13:15 |
| SuperEngineer | http://paste.ubuntu.com/14127494/ | 13:15 |
| foobarry | doritos never seem to go stale | 13:16 |
| SuperEngineer | foobarry, they do if use leave you them out in the rain! | 13:18 |
| foobarry | SuperEngineer: have you tried irc chan for it | 13:18 |
| * SuperEngineer lols at thought of doritos irc | 13:18 | |
| foobarry | WHICH VER of gpodder | 13:18 |
| foobarry | woops | 13:18 |
| SuperEngineer | foobarry, was the one direct from repos [an old version] - now tried with 3.8.5, prpb persists | 13:20 |
| SuperEngineer | 3.8.5 proven normally okay by lv irc chan ...and u-mate version is 3.8.4 [which also works] | 13:21 |
| SuperEngineer | the problem is on this partition. not router if other distro has no prob, not version as newer proven versions fail | 13:23 |
| SuperEngineer | ...was suggested [here] a couple of days ago to be a python library problem | 13:23 |
| foobarry | want me to try? | 13:24 |
| foobarry | whichurl? | 13:24 |
| SuperEngineer | but.... still not tracked it down | 13:24 |
| SuperEngineer | foobarry, coming up | 13:24 |
| SuperEngineer | https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_mp3.rss | 13:25 |
| SuperEngineer | & https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_ogg.rss | 13:25 |
| SuperEngineer | both | 13:25 |
| foobarry | same | 13:25 |
| foobarry | perahps its not the https but a bad rss file? | 13:26 |
| SuperEngineer | foobarry, same fail? | 13:26 |
| foobarry | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK | 13:26 |
| foobarry | same rsult yeah | 13:27 |
| foobarry | wget the rss file and it says http | 13:27 |
| foobarry | Connecting to www.linuxvoice.com (www.linuxvoice.com)|104.28.7.18|:443... connected. | 13:27 |
| SuperEngineer | which buntu are you on | 13:27 |
| foobarry | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK | 13:27 |
| foobarry | elementary freya 0.3.1 which is the last LTS | 13:27 |
| SuperEngineer | so no fail! | 13:27 |
| foobarry | of ubuntu | 13:27 |
| foobarry | gpodder does fail | 13:28 |
| SuperEngineer | oooooo! | 13:28 |
| foobarry | same as you | 13:28 |
| SuperEngineer | bug! | 13:28 |
| foobarry | http://pastebin.com/3PEdkzcG | 13:28 |
| foobarry | however | 13:28 |
| foobarry | try hosting the rss file on a http server | 13:28 |
| foobarry | and adding it | 13:28 |
| foobarry | in case its another issue | 13:29 |
| SuperEngineer | [that log looks familiar btw!] | 13:30 |
| foobarry | from an empty setup | 13:30 |
| foobarry | hold on a sec | 13:30 |
| foobarry | trying something else | 13:30 |
| foobarry | doesn't work using vocal | 13:31 |
| foobarry | another podcast app | 13:31 |
| foobarry | please check that the feed is correct and that you have a network connection. | 13:31 |
| SuperEngineer | hmmmmmmm | 13:31 |
| foobarry | i think the rss file is bad | 13:31 |
| foobarry | can u give me a known good rss link? | 13:31 |
| SuperEngineer | but ok in other distros! | 13:31 |
| foobarry | really? | 13:32 |
| foobarry | [_LOG_LEVEL_WARN 13:32:01.230493] FeedParser.vala:291: Error opening file https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_mp3.rss | 13:32 |
| SuperEngineer | ubuntu mate 15.10 | 13:32 |
| foobarry | [_LOG_LEVEL_INFO 13:32:01.230537] Library.vala:329: New podcast found to be null. | 13:32 |
| foobarry | vocal uses different code. written in vala | 13:32 |
| SuperEngineer | or was it denied access and therefore found nothing? | 13:33 |
| SuperEngineer | if not, python & vala both failing | 13:34 |
| SuperEngineer | must be a different library needed somewhere is my current thought but at that point, I dead end | 13:34 |
| foobarry | i copied the rss file to an http server | 13:34 |
| foobarry | failed | 13:34 |
| foobarry | so bad file, that some distro are able to parse? | 13:35 |
| SuperEngineer | velly interlestink!!! | 13:35 |
| SuperEngineer | thatidea ... a definite possibilty as this is now longer just my fail! | 13:36 |
| SuperEngineer | Could it be any thing to do with [lv's] switch to open https cert project me wonders... all ok immediately before | 13:38 |
| foobarry | https://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linuxvoice.com%2Fpodcast_mp3.rss | 13:38 |
| foobarry | thinks so. | 13:38 |
| foobarry | also | 13:39 |
| foobarry | see my pm | 13:39 |
| foobarry | where i copied the file | 13:39 |
| SuperEngineer | just copying that link.. time to get back in touch with Wimpey! | 13:39 |
| foobarry | looks bad for 2 reasons | 13:40 |
| foobarry | 1) ssl | 13:40 |
| foobarry | 2) doesn't parse v well | 13:40 |
| SuperEngineer | bullseye... the open cert! | 13:40 |
| SuperEngineer | ...only readable by some stuff, not all stuff? [or corrupt cert?] | 13:41 |
| foobarry | well 2) might fail to parse. | 13:42 |
| foobarry | try something like the linux action show rss and it parses fine | 13:42 |
| foobarry | linuxvoice has multiple errors | 13:42 |
| brobostigon | raiders, bbc1, in a minute. | 13:42 |
| foobarry | openssl s_client -ssl3 -connect www.linuxvoice.com:443 | 13:43 |
| foobarry | also check bug 1475228 | 13:44 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1475228 in openssl (Ubuntu) "openssl/curl error: SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error on TLS only configured server" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475228 | 13:44 |
| foobarry | https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=linuxvoice.com&hideResults=on is happy with the site | 13:47 |
| foobarry | "I don't get this issue in wget, curl or openssl | 13:48 |
| foobarry | But I do get this issue in python" | 13:48 |
| foobarry | thats mentioned in bug 861137 | 13:48 |
| lubotu3 | bug 861137 in openssl (Ubuntu) "Openssl TLS errors while connecting to SSLv3 sites" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861137 | 13:48 |
| mapps | 2 eps left on fargo; | 16:03 |
| mapps | :D | 16:03 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| davmor2 | foobarry: do you happen to know which lib the app is using I've hit similar issues with software center and with epiphany (gnome web) which use the strict gnu ssl utils | 17:23 |
| diddledan | why did I miss this around election time?! https://www.facebook.com/thegreenparty/videos/10152735542355785/ | 17:42 |
| diddledan | you can feel free to ignore the promotion of the greens, it's the song that's awesome | 17:44 |
| SuperEngineer | diddledan, you missed it because you weren't eating your greens | 17:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | he couldn't eat a whole politican... | 17:52 |
| SuperEngineer | lol | 17:52 |
| penguin42 | politicians vary a lot in how much meat they have | 18:01 |
| zmoylan-pi | but green ones lean towards stringy... | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | zmoylan-pi: Yeh but healthier than eating red meat | 18:03 |
| SuperEngineer | they may vary in meat but not so much in how much content they have | 18:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | i dunno tofu fed doesn't sound good... | 18:04 |
| SuperEngineer | [although they *do* seem to have the same type of content] | 18:04 |
| SuperEngineer | not saying what that content is. This is a family channel ;-) | 18:04 |
| SuperEngineer | moooooooooo | 18:05 |
| penguin42 | SuperEngineer: I just assumed the commons served a lot of beans | 18:05 |
| SuperEngineer | you got the idea penguin42 | 18:05 |
| SuperEngineer | Bacteria that resist the antibiotic of last resort colistin have been discovered in the UK. | 18:15 |
| SuperEngineer | but, they spelt "privacy" incorrectly! | 18:15 |
| === directhex_ is now known as directhex | ||
| foobarry | aarghh dedrm on ubuntu and kindle for windows is ridiculous | 20:03 |
| foobarry | i've done it once before, unsure why it no longer works | 20:03 |
| foobarry | "Could not retrieve Kindle for Mac/PC key. | 20:03 |
| MartijnVdS | Amazon might have changed things? | 20:17 |
| foobarry | possibly | 20:18 |
| penguin42 | http://www.ebuyer.com/709697-sandisk-plus-120gb-sataiii-2-5inch-ssd-sdssda-120g-g25 | 20:46 |
| directhex | i got a £150 1T sandisk from dabs | 20:47 |
| directhex | i think sandisk are purging old ranges through the channel | 20:47 |
| penguin42 | nod, I got the ~£28 120 through dabs | 20:47 |
| penguin42 | ah, but ebuyer don't have any free shipping | 20:48 |
| penguin42 | oh but they do if you're over #50 and the discount code applies to multiple items | 20:50 |
| penguin42 | right, that's 2 of those ordered, one for this old core2duo, a 120GB SSD should speed it up a lot, and I'll try and persuade my dad to use one | 20:58 |
| daftykins | just in case it wasn't obvious, Microsoft's System Center Virtual Machine Mangler (SCVMM) and Hyper-V are horrible :) | 20:58 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Since I get paid for qemu/kvm dev (but not the management side of it) I would be interesting in knowing what in particular is so broken on them | 20:59 |
| daftykins | well, requiring the host running SCVMM to be a domain controller, with SQL Server to even install the product is a real pain | 21:00 |
| daftykins | after that, to have the Hyper-V host make use of a shared ISO required some permissions dancing that didn't seem to be necessary | 21:00 |
| penguin42 | the shared ISO one is a bit odd | 21:01 |
| penguin42 | and you'd expect it to be able to use an existing domain controller | 21:01 |
| daftykins | well i don't have one as i'm just running this at home for testing | 21:01 |
| penguin42 | ah ok, so I guess they expect you to be 'enterprise' | 21:01 |
| daftykins | pretty much! | 21:02 |
| daftykins | also went down the SQL Express 2012 route before discovering express isn't allowed | 21:02 |
| penguin42 | not enterprise.... | 21:02 |
| daftykins | ;) | 21:03 |
| daftykins | well, standard editions of Windows Server and SQL Server are ok | 21:03 |
| daftykins | i'm using evaluation copies of everything atm to test | 21:04 |
| penguin42 | and then put it into production and everything explodes in a few weeks? | 21:04 |
| daftykins | basically my old College has had a Hyper-V host for the IT lecturing department to use for a few years now, though back in 2008 i said Hyper-V and SCVMM were so pants they weren't appropriate, however the IT support boss was pushing it in order to experiment in the teaching staffs' server before using it himself | 21:05 |
| daftykins | *on the teaching... | 21:05 |
| daftykins | i've been asked now, years later, to manage that server | 21:05 |
| diddledan | err. so they want you to support something you told them you wouldn't support?! | 21:06 |
| daftykins | i need to have a chat with my ol' lecturer colleague to find out where it's lacking and what he needs really, but thought i'd get a jump start | 21:06 |
| diddledan | that's fun | 21:06 |
| daftykins | well i was IT support myself back then, but i later quit | 21:07 |
| daftykins | now it'd be a new role of a technician on the lecturing side, i think | 21:07 |
| daftykins | the head of IT lecturing just simply doesn't have enough time to get to grips with all this i think | 21:07 |
| daftykins | when i taught there myself 4 years back, i was trying to switch it to VMware instead, as i found a free educational license system | 21:08 |
| daftykins | unfortunately bureaucracy and staff politics got in the way | 21:08 |
| daftykins | it'll be interesting to see how they're running it now anyway, when i was teaching they had the VM storage on a single 1TB disk and the OS installed on a RAID10 array ;) totally backwards. | 21:11 |
| daftykins | the head of IT support tried to blame me for when i was there in 2008, but server 2008 R2 didn't exist at that time - so it was impossible for me to have misconfigured a future OS :D | 21:12 |
| daftykins | plus i know RAID just fine | 21:12 |
| daftykins | and now, for food! | 21:26 |
| diddledan | that's a good idea | 21:26 |
| === Xack is now known as CaveJohnson | ||
| === CaveJohnson is now known as Xack | ||
| daftykins | penguin42: do you think a KVM setup is appropriate to regular spin-ups of a class-load of different OSs for kids to work on? | 22:41 |
| daftykins | they kinda need their own control over start/stop really | 22:41 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| penguin42 | daftykins: qemu/kvm can do that, the tricky bit is setting it up so that they each can't nuke each others VMs; there are loads of front ends to it; I'm not sure which is easiest to do that with | 22:47 |
| daftykins | mmm, i feel like the user accounts on VMware would make this easiest | 22:48 |
| daftykins | to my mind ESX would just be $client_program (on all users' systems) -> server ; done. | 22:49 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I suspect proxmox can do it | 22:49 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Or a one machine openstack setup, but I suspect that's possibly too complex | 22:50 |
| daftykins | mmm, i don't even know how my fellow lecturer gets around licensing hassle for the OSs the students install | 22:51 |
| daftykins | at best most Windows clients would give you that 30 day period then that'd be it (although some can be tricked to extend to 120 days) | 22:51 |
| * zmoylan-pi learned spreadsheets in 80s on illegal lotus 123 clone called vp planner :-) | 23:03 | |
| Azelphur | Hey folks, question someone here may know about, I haven't been paid salary in 2 months so I'm going to find a new job, do I have to give notice to my current employer? | 23:05 |
| Azelphur | Was hoping to not give him notice in the hopes that he actually pays me. | 23:05 |
| daftykins | the 'murican? :( hrmm not worth calling up first? | 23:07 |
| daftykins | depends on your contract i guess | 23:08 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: calling up? I've been asking to be paid for months, over a week now I've been refusing to work until I get paid | 23:08 |
| Azelphur | Had partial payment for Sep-Oct, nothing for Oct-Nov and nothing for Nov-Dec. Left me penniless for christmas, so yea screw that :P | 23:09 |
| daftykins | >_< | 23:09 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: I think you need to ask a legal person; but I'd write a letter saying that they're in breach of contract and you therefor believe you don't need to give notice | 23:09 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: And then file a small-claims court thing asking for the money | 23:10 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: well the idea was to find a new job and keep them in the dark, so that they think I'm still an employee and eventually pay me | 23:10 |
| Azelphur | (and then once I have everything they owe me, say goodbye and tell them I already have a new job) | 23:10 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: No, I don't think that's a good idea; once you actually start a new job it would be very messy | 23:11 |
| Azelphur | I see | 23:11 |
| Azelphur | suppose that means giving notice then | 23:11 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: if they've not paid you I say that you ask whether they're solvent and if not ask whether they should wind themselves up | 23:11 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: Do they have money? | 23:11 |
| Azelphur | I see | 23:12 |
| Azelphur | amusingly my boss just sent me another message promising me payment tomorrow, don't trust it worth a light though, as I say been months of excuses :) | 23:12 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: At the moment they're the only one whose done anything wrong, so if you keep it strictly like that you're in a much better position; if they don't pay you again though I don't see why you should have to give notice | 23:13 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: But you must tell them if you stop working for them | 23:13 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: still, IANAL | 23:13 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: again? they are 3 months behind, one was partially paid, two haven't been paid at all | 23:14 |
| Azelphur | how many times do they need to not pay me xD | 23:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | does uk have a citizen advice bureau? might be a place to ask questions? | 23:14 |
| penguin42 | yes | 23:14 |
| Azelphur | yea good idea | 23:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | you'd want to contact them sharpish before crimbo | 23:16 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: But I'm just saying that you should make sure you look as spotless as possible, dont give anyone any reason to make you look like it's your fault | 23:16 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: yea fair enough | 23:16 |
| Azelphur | will do | 23:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | and they might even have a website that has a decent faq | 23:17 |
| diddledan | thought you all might find this fun: http://www.techworm.net/2015/12/microsoft-wants-you-to-train-using-its-rival-linux.html | 23:33 |
| daftykins | this site is so poorly worded, ermagerd | 23:35 |
| daftykins | something i found odd about Hyper-V, it doesn't support audio... you have to RDP into clients to get working sound. | 23:35 |
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