[00:02] <daftykins> never fly without them
[00:11]  * diddledan_ slaps daftykins with a lemon napkin
[00:11] <daftykins> "oof"
[00:11] <daftykins> so, Juniper trouble
[00:11] <penguin42> ?
[00:12] <penguin42> have they figured out who did it yet?
[00:12] <daftykins> only just heard of the situation in another channel, nasty stuff!
[00:13] <penguin42> yeh, the question is how did someone manage to get code into their system
[00:14] <penguin42> I mean most likely is they compromised one of their devs laptops/desktops, but then somehow managed to push that change throughm, unless they managed to compromise someone in the release chains dev system
[00:16] <daftykins> *nod*
[00:17] <penguin42> but it feels nation state level, either that or someone paid off one of the devs
[00:18] <daftykins> one of those times when proactive admins patching early have ruined things for themselves
[00:18] <penguin42> I mean even if you compromised a devs laptop, and realised you had, you still wouldn't understand their development processes or their codebase
[00:19] <penguin42> how old is the version that first had the problem?
[00:21] <penguin42> so, a more important -uk question; Russians drink Tea a lot don't they? So the Russian cosmonauts drink tea? So why did Tim have to figure out how to make Tea in orbit?
[00:35] <diddledan_> lol
[00:35] <daftykins> :>
[00:35] <diddledan_> so what happened at juniper? I've not seen that one yet
[00:36] <penguin42> diddledan_: They found a couple of backdoors in their router code
[00:36] <diddledan_> eep
[00:36] <daftykins> yay VM shutdown at last, now i can sleep :) nn \o
[00:36] <diddledan_> like someone actually inserted a back door?
[00:36] <penguin42> diddledan_: They describe it as 'unauthorised code'
[00:36] <diddledan_> rather than just a mistake?
[00:36] <diddledan_> ouch
[00:36] <diddledan_> that's nassy
[00:37] <penguin42> http://forums.juniper.net/t5/Security-Incident-Response/Important-Announcement-about-ScreenOS/ba-p/285554
[01:08] <diddledan> bouncy daftykins
[01:08] <diddledan> (30 minutes later)
[02:10] <diddledan> WEEE
[02:10] <diddledan> bouncy bouncy me
[03:30] <mapps> homeland finale;D
[06:28] <knightwise> morning
[07:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:18] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:01] <knightwise> yoyo
[10:05] <davmor2> yoyo that like a boomaring with a string
[10:06] <knightwise> Righton !
[10:06] <gh00st_> MOTD
[10:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:37] <davmor2> So guys when do you all break up
[10:37] <foobarry_> 23rd
[10:41] <davmor2> 22nd for me \o/
[10:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: 'ow am ya
[10:43] <bigcalm> About 3pm on the 24th :|
[10:43] <bigcalm> Better than nout
[10:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: wrist pain, good otherwise ta. Keeping well yourself?
[10:44] <bigcalm> davmor2: turning into a right yam-yam you are
[10:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: dude what did you do wrong 24th buy the boss a copy of Christmas Carol for Christmas ;)
[10:45]  * davmor2 starts calling bigcalm cratchet
[10:45] <bigcalm> Boss has been off since Thursday last week
[10:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: see definitely something wrong with that ;)
[10:46] <bigcalm> At least the office is closed until the 4th Jan
[10:46] <davmor2> I'm good thanks, bad knee, back, neck and shoulder but other than that good :)
[10:48] <davmor2> big and if you are calling someone a yam-yam at least say am instead of are at the end ;)
[10:48] <brobosti1on> morning boys and girls.
[10:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: missed the tab ^
[10:52] <MooDoo> I finish 24th too
[10:53] <MooDoo> treated myself to a new nas at the weekend :D
[10:57] <foobarry> which one MooDoo
[11:06] <bigcalm> Anybody wearing an xmasy jumper this week? I'm sporting some wonderful lines of rain deer and snow flakes
[11:06] <Myrtti> I went head to to Christmas on Saturday
[11:06] <Myrtti> s/to to/to toe/
[11:07] <Myrtti> red shoes, red penguin leggings, red penguin jumper, red hairbow, red nails, jingly earrings
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> all i had for my last d&d game pre crimbo was a baseball cap with reindeer anthlers :-)
[11:09] <brobostigon> my gf likes big jungling earrings as well, you get the feeling sometimes you will get your eye poked out by them, lol.
[11:09] <foobarry> zmoylan-pi: naked D&D?
[11:09] <brobostigon> jingling*
[11:09] <foobarry> strip D&D
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> naked gamers, no no, you never get invited back... or so i hear...
[11:10] <foobarry> gagh , doesn't look like the cyangoen bug plagueing my phone will be fixed anytime soon
[11:10] <brobostigon> whats the bug?
[11:10] <foobarry> get reboots if using data/call while switching between wifi/mobile zones
[11:10] <bigcalm> Myrtti: there are some lovely Moomin prints in a local art shop on my way to work. Tempting but difficult to justify the £39
[11:10] <foobarry> walk out of building while receiving or sending hangouts message...reboot
[11:10]  * brobostigon makes a note.
[11:11] <Myrtti> bigcalm: mm. I'll just knit my own.
[11:11] <foobarry> https://jira.cyanogenmod.org/browse/NIGHTLIES-1715
[11:11] <davmor2> Myrtti: next year I expect a picture of you in, gold shoes, brown leggins, green jumper complete with leds that flash and tree ornaments tinsel etc and an angel hat ;)
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> didn't get a full turnout so we played board games instead... small world was a fun game but takes a while to play... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/678722117442125824/photo/1
[11:11] <brobostigon> foobarry: cm21.1 or cm13 ?
[11:11] <foobarry> 12.1
[11:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: you knit Moomin artwork?
[11:11] <brobostigon> ok,
[11:11] <Myrtti> bigcalm: arduino/raspi controlled electronic knitting machine
[11:11] <brobostigon> foobarry: let me test it out here, i am curious.
[11:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: :D
[11:11] <foobarry> what device u have?
[11:12] <foobarry> model:
[11:12] <foobarry> falcon, hammerhead, hammerheadcaf, shamu, tomato, trltexx	
[11:12] <davmor2> Myrtti: man that sounds awesome to be fair :)
[11:12] <bigcalm> I'll take a photo of the shop window later, if I remember
[11:12] <brobostigon> foobarry: nexus 4
[11:12] <brobostigon> mako
[11:13] <foobarry> oh so maybe unaffeted
[11:14] <Myrtti> davmor2, bigcalm https://www.flickr.com/gp/myrtti/0246j6
[11:14] <brobostigon> i dont know, hence i want to see.
[11:15] <bigcalm> Myrtti: magic :D
[11:15] <foobarry> i get it while whatsapp/hangout or while making a call when leaving or arriving at teh office or home
[11:15] <brobostigon> foobarry: ok, let me make a note an test it, i am curious.
[11:15] <davmor2> Myrtti: nice so that was done on an arduino/raspi knitting machine nice
[11:15] <foobarry> did u see the link i posted/
[11:16] <foobarry> to teh bug?
[11:16] <davmor2> foobarry: what link
[11:16] <foobarry> was talking to brobostigon sorry https://jira.cyanogenmod.org/browse/NIGHTLIES-1715
[11:17] <brobostigon> ty foobarry
[11:21] <Myrtti> talking of hacking and nerdy stuff https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/skrolli-a-printed-computer-culture-magazine#/story
[12:04] <Myrtti> I killed the convo :-(
[12:05] <brobostigon> :(
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> oh i do that all the time ::picks up nerf pistol and blows across tip of barrel:: :-)
[12:05]  * brobostigon also,
[12:27] <penguin42> hmm it's wet out there
[12:29] <davmor2> it's worse than that......he's dead jim, dead jim, dead jim :D
[12:30] <penguin42> who, where?
[12:30] <SuperEngineer> wet-wipes onb the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow...
[12:32] <davmor2> mourns the loss of Jimmy Hill, I mean what happens to chinny raccoon now
[12:32] <stemount> pwd
[12:32] <stemount> living the dream
[13:05] <mapps> 8 days holiday left;D
[13:06] <mapps> going to use a week and go to Slovakia and then Prague :)
[13:06] <penguin42> well if it carries on the way I've started it so far then I'll just be sitting here yawning for the next 2 weeks
[13:06]  * penguin42 should get dressed
[13:06] <mapps> no job?
[13:06] <mapps> hm
[13:07] <penguin42> mapps: it's holiday!
[13:07] <mapps> ah
[13:07] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, penguins should always be wearing at least a waistcoat!
[13:08] <mapps> i still have to work
[13:08] <mapps> work xmas day/boxing day,off today and xmas eve
[13:08] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: well we don't go out in public in our dressing gown :-)
[13:08] <SuperEngineer> lol
[13:09] <penguin42> mapps: Not working until the new year
[13:11] <mapps> nice
[13:11] <mapps> doesnt count as holiday days?
[13:13] <mapps> only hassle is getting to Malaga at 430am
[13:13] <mapps> 6am flight to Bratilava
[13:13] <mapps> UGH
[13:13]  * knightwise still working
[13:13] <SuperEngineer> whilst everybody's relaxed; anybody fancy giving me a clue on the following from gpodder log [it's leaving me far from relaxed]
[13:13] <SuperEngineer> been trying to sort for days!
[13:13] <mapps> £48 Malaga -> Slovakia :D how cheap
[13:14] <SuperEngineer> [it refers to finding that gpodder, lifrea & rhytmbox all fail on an https rss feed
[13:15] <SuperEngineer> [linux voice is the only https feed used, both firefox & chromium reach this & all other https fully ok]
[13:15] <SuperEngineer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14127494/
[13:16] <foobarry> doritos never seem to go stale
[13:18] <SuperEngineer> foobarry, they do if use leave you them out in the rain!
[13:18] <foobarry> SuperEngineer: have you tried irc chan for it
[13:18]  * SuperEngineer lols at thought of doritos irc
[13:18] <foobarry> WHICH VER of gpodder
[13:18] <foobarry> woops
[13:20] <SuperEngineer> foobarry, was the one direct from repos [an old version] - now tried with 3.8.5, prpb persists
[13:21] <SuperEngineer> 3.8.5 proven normally okay by lv irc chan ...and u-mate version is 3.8.4 [which also works]
[13:23] <SuperEngineer> the problem is on this partition. not router if other distro has no prob, not version as newer proven versions fail
[13:23] <SuperEngineer> ...was suggested [here] a couple of days ago to be a python library problem
[13:24] <foobarry> want me to try?
[13:24] <foobarry> whichurl?
[13:24] <SuperEngineer> but.... still not tracked it down
[13:24] <SuperEngineer> foobarry, coming up
[13:25] <SuperEngineer> https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_mp3.rss
[13:25] <SuperEngineer> & https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_ogg.rss
[13:25] <SuperEngineer> both
[13:25] <foobarry> same
[13:26] <foobarry> perahps its not the https but a bad rss file?
[13:26] <SuperEngineer> foobarry, same fail?
[13:26] <foobarry> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[13:27] <foobarry> same rsult yeah
[13:27] <foobarry> wget the rss file and it says http
[13:27] <foobarry> Connecting to www.linuxvoice.com (www.linuxvoice.com)|104.28.7.18|:443... connected.
[13:27] <SuperEngineer> which buntu are you on
[13:27] <foobarry> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[13:27] <foobarry> elementary freya 0.3.1 which is the last LTS
[13:27] <SuperEngineer> so no fail!
[13:27] <foobarry> of ubuntu
[13:28] <foobarry> gpodder does fail
[13:28] <SuperEngineer> oooooo!
[13:28] <foobarry> same as you
[13:28] <SuperEngineer> bug!
[13:28] <foobarry> http://pastebin.com/3PEdkzcG
[13:28] <foobarry> however
[13:28] <foobarry> try hosting the rss file on a http server
[13:28] <foobarry> and adding it
[13:29] <foobarry> in case its another issue
[13:30] <SuperEngineer> [that log looks familiar btw!]
[13:30] <foobarry> from an empty setup
[13:30] <foobarry> hold on a sec
[13:30] <foobarry> trying something else
[13:31] <foobarry> doesn't work using vocal
[13:31] <foobarry> another podcast app
[13:31] <foobarry> please check that the feed is correct and that you have a network connection.
[13:31] <SuperEngineer> hmmmmmmm
[13:31] <foobarry> i think the rss file is bad
[13:31] <foobarry> can u give me a known good rss link?
[13:31] <SuperEngineer> but ok in other distros!
[13:32] <foobarry> really?
[13:32] <foobarry> [_LOG_LEVEL_WARN 13:32:01.230493] FeedParser.vala:291: Error opening file https://www.linuxvoice.com/podcast_mp3.rss
[13:32] <SuperEngineer> ubuntu mate 15.10
[13:32] <foobarry> [_LOG_LEVEL_INFO 13:32:01.230537] Library.vala:329: New podcast found to be null.
[13:32] <foobarry> vocal uses different code. written in vala
[13:33] <SuperEngineer> or was it denied access and therefore found nothing?
[13:34] <SuperEngineer> if not, python & vala both failing
[13:34] <SuperEngineer> must be a different library needed somewhere is my current thought but at that point, I dead end
[13:34] <foobarry> i copied the rss file to an http server
[13:34] <foobarry> failed
[13:35] <foobarry> so bad file, that some distro are able to parse?
[13:35] <SuperEngineer> velly interlestink!!!
[13:36] <SuperEngineer> thatidea ... a definite possibilty as this is now longer just my fail!
[13:38] <SuperEngineer> Could it be any thing to do with [lv's] switch to open https cert project me wonders... all ok immediately before
[13:38] <foobarry> https://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linuxvoice.com%2Fpodcast_mp3.rss
[13:38] <foobarry> thinks so.
[13:39] <foobarry> also
[13:39] <foobarry> see my pm
[13:39] <foobarry> where i copied the file
[13:39] <SuperEngineer> just copying that link.. time to get back in touch with Wimpey!
[13:40] <foobarry> looks bad for 2 reasons
[13:40] <foobarry> 1) ssl
[13:40] <foobarry> 2) doesn't parse v well
[13:40] <SuperEngineer> bullseye... the open cert!
[13:41] <SuperEngineer> ...only readable by some stuff, not all stuff? [or corrupt cert?]
[13:42] <foobarry> well 2) might fail to parse.
[13:42] <foobarry> try something like the linux action show rss and it parses fine
[13:42] <foobarry> linuxvoice has multiple errors
[13:42] <brobostigon> raiders, bbc1, in a minute.
[13:43] <foobarry> openssl s_client -ssl3 -connect www.linuxvoice.com:443
[13:44] <foobarry> also check bug 1475228
[13:47] <foobarry> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=linuxvoice.com&hideResults=on is happy with the site
[13:48] <foobarry> "I don't get this issue in wget, curl or openssl
[13:48] <foobarry> But I do get this issue in python"
[13:48] <foobarry> thats mentioned in bug 861137
[16:03] <mapps> 2 eps left on fargo;
[16:03] <mapps> :D
[17:23] <davmor2> foobarry: do you happen to know which lib the app is using I've hit similar issues with software center and with epiphany (gnome web) which use the strict gnu ssl utils
[17:42] <diddledan> why did I miss this around election time?! https://www.facebook.com/thegreenparty/videos/10152735542355785/
[17:44] <diddledan> you can feel free to ignore the promotion of the greens, it's the song that's awesome
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, you missed it because you weren't eating your greens
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> he couldn't eat a whole politican...
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> lol
[18:01] <penguin42> politicians vary a lot in how much meat they have
[18:02] <zmoylan-pi> but green ones lean towards stringy...
[18:03] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Yeh but healthier than eating red meat
[18:03] <SuperEngineer> they may vary in meat but not so much in how much content they have
[18:04] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno tofu fed doesn't sound good...
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> [although they *do* seem to have the same type of content]
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> not saying what that content is. This is a family channel ;-)
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> moooooooooo
[18:05] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I just assumed the commons served a lot of beans
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> you got the idea penguin42
[18:15] <SuperEngineer> Bacteria that resist the antibiotic of last resort colistin have been discovered in the UK.
[18:15] <SuperEngineer> but, they spelt "privacy" incorrectly!
[20:03] <foobarry> aarghh dedrm on ubuntu and kindle for windows is ridiculous
[20:03] <foobarry> i've done it once before, unsure why it no longer works
[20:03] <foobarry> "Could not retrieve Kindle for Mac/PC key.
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Amazon might have changed things?
[20:18] <foobarry> possibly
[20:46] <penguin42> http://www.ebuyer.com/709697-sandisk-plus-120gb-sataiii-2-5inch-ssd-sdssda-120g-g25
[20:47] <directhex> i got a £150 1T sandisk from dabs
[20:47] <directhex> i think sandisk are purging old ranges through the channel
[20:47] <penguin42> nod, I got the ~£28 120 through dabs
[20:48] <penguin42> ah, but ebuyer don't have any free shipping
[20:50] <penguin42> oh but they do if you're over #50 and the discount code applies to multiple items
[20:58] <penguin42> right, that's 2 of those ordered, one for this old core2duo, a 120GB SSD should speed it up a lot, and I'll try and persuade my dad to use one
[20:58] <daftykins> just in case it wasn't obvious, Microsoft's System Center Virtual Machine Mangler (SCVMM) and Hyper-V are horrible :)
[20:59] <penguin42> daftykins: Since I get paid for qemu/kvm dev (but not the management side of it) I would be interesting in knowing what in particular is so broken on them
[21:00] <daftykins> well, requiring the host running SCVMM to be a domain controller, with SQL Server to even install the product is a real pain
[21:00] <daftykins> after that, to have the Hyper-V host make use of a shared ISO required some permissions dancing that didn't seem to be necessary
[21:01] <penguin42> the shared ISO one is a bit odd
[21:01] <penguin42> and you'd expect it to be able to use an existing domain controller
[21:01] <daftykins> well i don't have one as i'm just running this at home for testing
[21:01] <penguin42> ah ok, so I guess they expect you to be 'enterprise'
[21:02] <daftykins> pretty much!
[21:02] <daftykins> also went down the SQL Express 2012 route before discovering express isn't allowed
[21:02] <penguin42> not enterprise....
[21:03] <daftykins> ;)
[21:03] <daftykins> well, standard editions of Windows Server and SQL Server are ok
[21:04] <daftykins> i'm using evaluation copies of everything atm to test
[21:04] <penguin42> and then put it into production and everything explodes in a few weeks?
[21:05] <daftykins> basically my old College has had a Hyper-V host for the IT lecturing department to use for a few years now, though back in 2008 i said Hyper-V and SCVMM were so pants they weren't appropriate, however the IT support boss was pushing it in order to experiment in the teaching staffs' server before using it himself
[21:05] <daftykins> *on the teaching...
[21:05] <daftykins> i've been asked now, years later, to manage that server
[21:06] <diddledan> err. so they want you to support something you told them you wouldn't support?!
[21:06] <daftykins> i need to have a chat with my ol' lecturer colleague to find out where it's lacking and what he needs really, but thought i'd get a jump start
[21:06] <diddledan> that's fun
[21:07] <daftykins> well i was IT support myself back then, but i later quit
[21:07] <daftykins> now it'd be a new role of a technician on the lecturing side, i think
[21:07] <daftykins> the head of IT lecturing just simply doesn't have enough time to get to grips with all this i think
[21:08] <daftykins> when i taught there myself 4 years back, i was trying to switch it to VMware instead, as i found a free educational license system
[21:08] <daftykins> unfortunately bureaucracy and staff politics got in the way
[21:11] <daftykins> it'll be interesting to see how they're running it now anyway, when i was teaching they had the VM storage on a single 1TB disk and the OS installed on a RAID10 array ;) totally backwards.
[21:12] <daftykins> the head of IT support tried to blame me for when i was there in 2008, but server 2008 R2 didn't exist at that time - so it was impossible for me to have misconfigured a future OS :D
[21:12] <daftykins> plus i know RAID just fine
[21:26] <daftykins> and now, for food!
[21:26] <diddledan> that's a good idea
[22:41] <daftykins> penguin42: do you think a KVM setup is appropriate to regular spin-ups of a class-load of different OSs for kids to work on?
[22:41] <daftykins> they kinda need their own control over start/stop really
[22:47] <penguin42> daftykins: qemu/kvm can do that, the tricky bit is setting it up so that they each can't nuke each others VMs;  there are loads of front ends to it; I'm not sure which is easiest to do that with
[22:48] <daftykins> mmm, i feel like the user accounts on VMware would make this easiest
[22:49] <daftykins> to my mind ESX would just be $client_program (on all users' systems) -> server ; done.
[22:49] <penguin42> daftykins: I suspect proxmox can do it
[22:50] <penguin42> daftykins: Or a one machine openstack setup, but I suspect that's possibly too complex
[22:51] <daftykins> mmm, i don't even know how my fellow lecturer gets around licensing hassle for the OSs the students install
[22:51] <daftykins> at best most Windows clients would give you that 30 day period then that'd be it (although some can be tricked to extend to 120 days)
[23:03]  * zmoylan-pi learned spreadsheets in 80s on illegal lotus 123 clone called vp planner :-)
[23:05] <Azelphur> Hey folks, question someone here may know about, I haven't been paid salary in 2 months so I'm going to find a new job, do I have to give notice to my current employer?
[23:05] <Azelphur> Was hoping to not give him notice in the hopes that he actually pays me.
[23:07] <daftykins> the 'murican? :( hrmm not worth calling up first?
[23:08] <daftykins> depends on your contract i guess
[23:08] <Azelphur> daftykins: calling up? I've been asking to be paid for months, over a week now I've been refusing to work until I get paid
[23:09] <Azelphur> Had partial payment for Sep-Oct, nothing for Oct-Nov and nothing for Nov-Dec. Left me penniless for christmas, so yea screw that :P
[23:09] <daftykins> >_<
[23:09] <penguin42> Azelphur: I think you need to ask a legal person; but I'd write a letter saying that they're in breach of contract and you therefor believe you don't need to give notice
[23:10] <penguin42> Azelphur: And then file a small-claims court thing asking for the money
[23:10] <Azelphur> penguin42: well the idea was to find a new job and keep them in the dark, so that they think I'm still an employee and eventually pay me
[23:10] <Azelphur> (and then once I have everything they owe me, say goodbye and tell them I already have a new job)
[23:11] <penguin42> Azelphur: No, I don't think that's a good idea; once you actually start a new job it would be very messy
[23:11] <Azelphur> I see
[23:11] <Azelphur> suppose that means giving notice then
[23:11] <penguin42> Azelphur: if they've not paid you I say that you ask whether they're solvent and if not ask whether they should wind themselves up
[23:11] <penguin42> Azelphur: Do they have money?
[23:12] <Azelphur> I see
[23:12] <Azelphur> amusingly my boss just sent me another message promising me payment tomorrow, don't trust it worth a light though, as I say been months of excuses :)
[23:13] <penguin42> Azelphur: At the moment they're the only one whose done anything wrong, so if you keep it strictly like that you're in a much better position; if they don't pay you again though I don't see why you should have to give notice
[23:13] <penguin42> Azelphur: But you must tell them if you stop working for them
[23:13] <penguin42> Azelphur: still, IANAL
[23:14] <Azelphur> penguin42: again? they are 3 months behind, one was partially paid, two haven't been paid at all
[23:14] <Azelphur> how many times do they need to not pay me xD
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> does uk have a citizen advice bureau?  might be a place to ask questions?
[23:14] <penguin42> yes
[23:14] <Azelphur> yea good idea
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> you'd want to contact them sharpish before crimbo
[23:16] <penguin42> Azelphur: But I'm just saying that you should make sure you look as spotless as possible, dont give anyone any reason to make you look like it's your fault
[23:16] <Azelphur> penguin42: yea fair enough
[23:16] <Azelphur> will do
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> and they might even have a website that has a decent faq
[23:33] <diddledan> thought you all might find this fun: http://www.techworm.net/2015/12/microsoft-wants-you-to-train-using-its-rival-linux.html
[23:35] <daftykins> this site is so poorly worded, ermagerd
[23:35] <daftykins> something i found odd about Hyper-V, it doesn't support audio... you have to RDP into clients to get working sound.