[01:03] <diddledan> popey, when you find the time, I've got a minor tweak to the styles on ubuntupodcast.org: I recommend adding a rule along the lines of: .me-cannotplay span { padding: 0 5px; } to fix the alignment of the "Download File" text in safari
[01:10] <diddledan> btw, spaces are exploding giant phalic symbols again: http://www.spacex.com/webcast/
[01:10] <diddledan> spacex*
[01:11] <penguin42> yeh I'm watching the youtube stream on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4
[01:13] <penguin42> like a steel beam that works....
[01:14] <zmoylan-pi> i hope that guy moves from that giant x :-P
[01:15] <zmoylan-pi> or is wearing his work supplied asbestos underpants...
[01:16] <zmoylan-pi> ...and a hat...
[01:19] <penguin42> smiley smiley presenter
[01:19] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think they allow non smiley people on american tv...
[01:24] <zmoylan-pi> 1000feet of the processing area... big boom...
[01:29] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed...
[01:30] <diddledan> by neck that's bright
[01:30] <diddledan> eck*
[01:30] <zmoylan-pi> i'd love to see a night launch from close by
[01:30] <penguin42> nod
[01:30] <penguin42> and feel it
[01:36] <penguin42> I'd assumed they'd give us some video of the 1st stage now
[01:36] <zmoylan-pi> still 2minutes from attempted landing... probably not in range of ground cameras yet
[01:39] <penguin42> ah there we go
[01:39] <diddledan> TEHY DID IT
[01:39] <diddledan> I thought it had crashed for bit
[01:39] <penguin42> yeh
[01:40] <zmoylan-pi> reverse takeoff complete... achievent unlocked :-)
[01:40] <zmoylan-pi> that's a whole lot of awesome right there...
[01:43] <penguin42> ah yes, the new iso standard weight unit
[01:44] <zmoylan-pi> they have a lion in their tank...
[01:44] <zmoylan-pi> esso will be annoyed...
[06:56] <knightwise> morning peeps
[09:17] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:20] <davmor2> Morning MooDoo and all
[09:34] <MooDoo> :)
[09:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAIOzM7SsMo
[09:56] <MooDoo> brilliant
[10:00] <foobarry> https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/xamarin-cross-platform-application-development
[10:00] <foobarry> free book each day
[10:00] <foobarry> https://www.packtpub.com/packt/offers/free-learning
[10:48] <directhex> foobarry: pfft, as if anyone uses xamarin
[10:53] <foobarry> not me
[10:53] <foobarry> but worth keeping an eye over next week :D
[10:57] <popey> foobarry, says 4 quid here
[10:57] <popey> oh, you have to go via the claim link... gotcha
[10:59] <popey> pffft, xamarin not available for ubuntu phone therefore doesn't exist etc.
[11:15] <davmor2> popey: go man go
[11:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:46] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon
[11:46] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo
[11:47] <MooDoo> :)
[11:48] <brobostigon> :)
[12:08] <DJones> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35159851 Java plug-in malware alert to be issued by Oracle
[12:10] <foobarry> :( cannot seem to mount audio cd /mnt/test...bad superblock
[12:10] <foobarry> nautils/files opens the cd though.
[12:10] <penguin42> audio cds aren't mountable
[12:11] <foobarry> i suspect there are files on it
[12:13] <foobarry> doesn't help that soundkonverter has a bug :(
[12:14] <foobarry> don't think i've ever used a ripper or burner that didn't have a bug
[12:15] <zmoylan-pi> i use ripperx on linux for ripping audio cds...
[12:16] <penguin42> k3b
[12:16] <penguin42> foobarry: Pure audio CDs dont have any files or an equivalent of a filesystem
[12:17] <zmoylan-pi> but some audio cds aren't quite audio cds with drm onboard...
[12:18] <foobarry> fixed soundkoverter with ppa
[12:18] <foobarry> let rippage commence
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> may all your rippings be successful ones...
[12:18] <foobarry> on a related note, i'm pretty sure dedrm on ubuntu with kindle is bust
[12:18] <foobarry> on newer versions
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> that'll stop pirates in their tracks!!
[12:39] <foobarry> and legitimate users :(
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> but you're trying to remove drm, that makes you automatically a pirate.  collect a cutlass on your way out, one cutlass each...
[12:41] <foobarry> a kindle removes drm too when it reads the book
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh, advanced knowledge, pick up flintlock pistol too on way out :-)
[12:47] <foobarry> soundkonverter doing a quick job, wish it had unattended mode though
[12:58] <davmor2> foobarry: ripit via the cli ;)
[12:59] <foobarry> my old man brain is too worn out at end of year to figure it out
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> +2 for doing it in the console :-)
[12:59] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: and cdw for burning
[13:01] <foobarry> which commands specifically do you use?
[13:01] <foobarry> i got 35 discs to burn
[13:01] <zmoylan-pi> rip you mean?
[13:02] <davmor2> foobarry: https://www.maketecheasier.com/rip-cds-at-command-line/
[13:03] <foobarry> oh sweet
[13:06] <foobarry> why didn't i know about this?
[13:06] <awilkins> Hiya
[13:07] <davmor2> foobarry: you didn't get annoyed with brasero and rhythmbox enough to type in cli cd ripper
[13:07]  * awilkins is angry with 5.1 optical audio out on Ubuntu / Pulseaudio
[13:07] <foobarry> i think i got mpw123
[13:07] <foobarry> mp321
[13:07] <foobarry> or whatever
[13:07] <foobarry> and hated them al
[13:07]  * penguin42 forcibly recalibrates foobarry's fingers
[13:08] <foobarry> end of year fatigue
[13:08] <foobarry> and stress
[13:09] <foobarry> spent entire saturday night without sleep in hospital with unwell son :(
[13:09] <penguin42> oh :-(
[13:09] <foobarry> i lie, i got 45 mins
[13:09] <foobarry> then a snoring man came onto the ward
[13:09] <foobarry> who snored through a megaphone
[13:12] <penguin42> you'd think they'd find a pill or knife, or gag or something for him
[13:13] <awilkins> OK, you still have to compile the a52 plugin to get 5.1 support
[13:13] <awilkins> Why doesn't libasound2-plugins just have that enabled by default?!?
[13:14]  * awilkins found an old source folder with file dates the same as the lib in his old install
[13:14] <awilkins> Trying out Wily via a USB key
[13:14] <awilkins> Right, I suppose I should back up my files and plan my partition table
[13:14] <awilkins> Going to install Windows 10 and that's going to ruin my whole computer anyway so why not reinstall Ubuntu....
[13:18] <foobarry> "So essentially, although Juniper used its own Q point instead of using the one allegedly generated by the NSA, in an effort to make the Dual_EC more secure, the company hadn’t anticipated that attackers might break into Juniper’s network, gain access to critical systems used to build its source code, and change the Q again to something of their own choosin"
[13:18] <foobarry> so shady!
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> well it's not as if they're a security company... oh wait...
[13:20] <foobarry> “I don’t want to say that Juniper did this on purpose. But if you wanted to create a deliberate backdoor based on Dual_EC and make it look safe, while also having it be vulnerable, this is the way you’d do it.
[13:21] <penguin42> foobarry: I doubt it was them; but I doubt they'll ever find whoever did it
[13:24] <awilkins> Whut, there's another Jupiter problem?
[13:24] <awilkins> Security company == NSA target
[13:24] <awilkins> The thing that interested me was the speculation about whether they can even isolate the person who hacked these changes into their source
[13:24] <awilkins> e.g. whether they are using something like Git with signed commits or not
[13:29] <penguin42> yeh, my guess would still be that whoever did it got into a devs laptop, the alternative is that they just served a dev with a national security letter
[13:36] <awilkins> Heh, make the signing process for commits ask : i) Are you the developer who owns the key ii) Have you been compromised by any intelligence agency foreign or domestic?
[13:44] <brobostigon> temple of doom, bbc1, :)
[13:46] <awilkins> Ooh
[14:20] <davmor2> foobarry: how did ripit work out for you?
[15:25] <MooDoo> who needs kung fu - http://www.ludosport.net/en/
[15:25] <penguin42> pandas
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> chinese monks wandering american wasteland
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> ...unless tv has been lying to me all these years...
[15:29] <foobarry> ah, i went off to a thing
[15:29] <foobarry> came back and i only have 1 hr left
[16:21] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:21] <knightwise> stupid question of the day : Do people still use usenet for anything ? (aside from Warez ?)
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> knightwise, you need ask GCHQ that question, they *may* you  ;-)
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> *tell you
[16:27] <knightwise> Lol :)
[16:32] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/omanreagan/status/679136381713649664
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, you forgot to say "good morning, bigcalm")
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> oh bohger!
[16:34] <diddledan> oops :-p
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> goog morning bigcalm
[16:34] <bigcalm> Eh?
[16:34] <bigcalm> Hi :)
[16:35] <diddledan> knightwise, I think not
[16:36] <davmor2> knightwise: films, cd's and warez I think are the standard think bittorrent basically
[16:36] <diddledan> knightwise, I don't use it for anything, although I do use it ;-)
[16:37]  * SuperEngineer slaps diddledan's wrist
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> i often get distros from torrents...
[16:37] <knightwise> diddledan: I know what you mean *winkwink*
[16:37] <diddledan> :-p
[16:38]  * SuperEngineer slaps knightwise's wrist as well ;-)
[16:39] <diddledan> anyone want to see my WordPress plugin? I'm proud of it :-p Specifically I'm proud of the way I've made it themeable using standard WordPressisms
[16:40]  * penguin42 read that as WordPessimisms
[16:40] <davmor2> hahaha
[16:40] <penguin42> an automatic pessimismising plugin for posts
[16:42] <zmoylan-pi> authored by someone called marvin...
[16:42] <diddledan> damn diodes!
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> gives me a headache just thinking down to their level
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> on plus side any bots trying to break in end up commiting hari kari after negotiating with marvin...
[16:54] <davmor2> brain the size of a planet and they have me answering the door
[16:55] <diddledan> as marvin has a brian the size of a planet, why don't we ask him what the question is now the earth is gone>?
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> because he lies as his brain isn't size of a planet?
[16:56] <diddledan> can robots lie?
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> they said they can't :-)
[16:56] <diddledan> make a robot and ask it if it can lie?
[16:56] <diddledan> isn't that a bit... wrong
[16:57] <diddledan> you need one robot that can't lie and one that always lies to be able to figure out which one is the right door
[16:58] <SuperEngineer> now ask Marvin what the 3 truths are... coz one of them ain't doors going ssshh
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> as long as you don't cross the line... https://vimeo.com/12915013
[16:58] <diddledan> doors are smug
[16:58] <SuperEngineer> *so* smug!
[16:59] <SuperEngineer> I hate them!
[16:59] <davmor2> You have smug fitting doors isn't that  good thing for stopping drafts?
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> no... mainly because of that noise they make!
[17:01] <diddledan> seriously bad lip-sync on that video, zmoylan-pi
[17:01] <SuperEngineer> [says me from my perch them immediately from my hiollside them immediately upside down
[17:02] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, did you just have a seizure?
[17:02] <davmor2> You're a bad bad man not closing your parenthesis :P
[17:03] <diddledan> I'm not sure you toped a real sentence
[17:03] <zmoylan-pi> it's a secret message to the rebels in the hills. :-)
[17:03] <diddledan> davmor2, indeed, that's the worst thing you can do in front of someone who obsesses over small things !!
[17:03] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, don't you mean hiolls?
[17:03] <davmor2> diddledan: like a qa engineer :D
[17:03] <SuperEngineer> that's because I zoomed off on the back of an animal to an alternate dimension
[17:03] <SuperEngineer> ]
[17:04] <davmor2> \o/
[17:04] <diddledan> lol
[17:04] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[17:05] <davmor2> Me now accepts SuperEngineer's comments and points out that is the worst spelling of hill I've ever seen.......what no it isn't there is that hill in New Zealand that is by far the worse spelling of hill I've ever seen
[17:06] <davmor2> s/what/wait
[17:06] <davmor2> even
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> [not to mention the above grammar!]
[17:06] <diddledan> the worst spelling of hill I've ever seen is "banana"
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> moon pigeons!
[17:06] <diddledan> moon nazis!
[17:07] <davmor2> Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu
[17:07] <diddledan> blessyou
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> i hope your cat makes a complete recovery if it leaves a footprint like that on your computer :-)
[17:07] <davmor2> diddledan: that is the hill in New Zealand you have to admit that is the worse spelling of hill :)
[17:07] <diddledan> wait, that's a real word?
[17:08] <diddledan> that's worse than the Welsh Llanfair-PG
[17:08] <davmor2> diddledan: It just a name
[17:08] <zmoylan-pi> isn't it a makey up name like the welsh one?
[17:08] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, ^ see above
[17:08] <davmor2> diddledan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu
[17:09] <davmor2> diddledan, zmoylan-pi: there are longer ones though which is worrying :D
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> keeps the sign painters busy i suppose
[17:09] <diddledan> the full version of Llanfair-PG is: llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
[17:10] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, the full version of Llanfair-PG is, as you wrote, Llanfair-PG
[17:10] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[17:10] <SuperEngineer> you didn't abbreviate  Llanfair-PG at all
[17:11] <SuperEngineer> you abbreviated llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
[17:11] <SuperEngineer> [smug smile]
[17:11] <diddledan> apparently it's used as a password in Barbarella
[17:11] <davmor2> hahaha
[17:12] <diddledan> http://www.llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.uk
[17:12] <davmor2> only one of the l's is a 1
[17:13] <davmor2> We're not telling you which and you only have 3 attempts before the user is blocked from the system :D
[17:14] <diddledan> that site is outdated - the Duck and Duckess of Cambridge don't live on Anglesey anymore
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> ooo... Just spoken to boss.  told the truth of what happened that night in hospital post double hernia op, & consultants comments re size of one the rips found.. and that I've only now just cleared 2 full days without pain...
[17:50] <penguin42> ouch what were you lifting
[17:51] <SuperEngineer> nope - just normal working.. dome jobs are a bit more "demanding" than others
[17:51] <SuperEngineer> ...he has "recommended" ["& never tell this to any one"] I go get a sick not note to cover me till I have pre-booked starting Tuesday 5th..
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> bad injury + probs during repair op = extended leave [methinks firm is slightly afraes of law suit.. should I tell boss I don't actually believe in the sue for everything culture
[17:56] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, I don't like this sue-for-everything concept either
[17:56] <SuperEngineer> well done, diddledan
[17:57] <diddledan> like suing the nhs for a complication during surgery.. who pays the compensation? you do through taxes
[17:57] <diddledan> so by suing the gov you're effectively making life worse for yourself and everyone else
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> it's possible to do everything right and still make a mistake, doctors are only human
[17:58] <SuperEngineer> yup! or through bupa bills or through nhs contributions or through hospital parking or through staff cuts [blah, blah, blah]
[17:58] <diddledan> exactly, zmoylan-pi
[17:59] <SuperEngineer> if I were sued for some mistakes I've made I'm sure I would by now be thinking of topping myself!
[18:00]  * davmor2 has this stuck in his head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbelmY  your all welcome
[18:00] <davmor2> you're even
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> so davmor2 wants to give us all a brain-worm?
[18:01] <diddledan> he's terrible for doing that so often :-p
[18:01] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: no not me I wouldn't do that
[18:01] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[18:01] <davmor2> diddledan: listen to it, it's a great song
[18:02]  * diddledan listening already :-p
[18:03] <davmor2> it's just the riff that gets stuck :)
[18:03] <diddledan> yeah
[18:03] <diddledan> Love that riff
[18:06] <SuperEngineer> Checking repos for "stop the damn rain" app... no success
[18:06] <SuperEngineer> obviously no gods write Linux apps
[18:07] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Have you checked for experimental flags in the weather apps?
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> hurumph!
[18:09] <SuperEngineer> I checked for those flags and all I found was blokeS called Zeus & Thor... hammers everywhere in the case of the latter!
[18:39] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: I have a morning head playlist for the songs that are stuck in my head when I get up each morning :)  It's upto 11 hours now iirc
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> yikes!
[18:41] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: 14 hours in fact
[18:42] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: http://open.spotify.com/user/1142386698/playlist/2nlSxBLEbfKpvDqSDG8hP8
[18:44] <davmor2> too many christmas songs at the moment though :)
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> "jungle bells, jungle bells, jungle all the day"?
[18:51] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: more this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmycgoBECgk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXCEdrnaFlY
[18:51] <Myrtti> UMPUMPUMPUMP
[18:51] <Myrtti> UMP ALL THE WAY
[18:51] <Myrtti> anyway
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[18:52] <davmor2> Myrtti: that sounds like the Garage version
[18:52] <Myrtti> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:53] <davmor2> umpalumpa dumpatuy do I have another puzzle for yo
[18:53] <davmor2> u
[18:53] <SuperEngineer> pchssssssssssssss, pchchsssssss, mumph, mumph, mumph...
[18:53] <SuperEngineer> jimgle balls, balls, heavy metal all the way
[18:54] <SuperEngineer> [spherical balls, not the rude conotation!]
[18:55] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_eiR6hJ7z4
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> ...or as they say say on the Severn Bridge or the M6 toll,,,, ROCK A_N_D TOLLLLLL!
[19:03] <SuperEngineer> davmor2, phew! no brum accent in the video. therefore it'd voted as fun.
[19:05] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: of course not it's Black Country :)  Look up their alphabet song :)
[19:09] <SuperEngineer> me go now... nosebag time
[19:51] <christel> 9/11
[19:51] <christel> er
[19:53] <DJones> christel: 9/11 isn't known as a good day
[19:53] <christel> indeed, nor a good way of changing windows i think :P
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> 9/11 was the day the place i was in got adsl
[19:56] <DJones> I remember exactly where I was when it came on the new
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> it was barely mentioned on irish radio stations, thankfully i had shortwave radio in drawer
[19:58] <diddledan> I was at home (still living at the parents at the time)
[19:59] <diddledan> I had to phone dad at his work to share the disbelief with someone
[19:59] <diddledan> I actually saw the second plane live
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> no weiner filters in planning department...
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> wrong channel...
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> i spent rest of the day trying to get online and using low bandwidth news sites got the info plus what was available on shortwave
[20:02] <diddledan> lol
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> a hotel in uk i think... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.6735827,-2.0247077,180m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
[20:12] <foobarry> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/skrolli-a-printed-computer-culture-magazine#/
[20:12] <foobarry> some may be interested in this
[20:13] <davmor2> foobarry: I think you were beaten to the punch by Myrtti
[20:15] <foobarry> davmor2: ah missed that.
[20:15] <foobarry> is it $19 for one mag?
[20:41] <Myrtti> foobarry: and international postage
[20:41] <Myrtti> I personally pay 40€ for four numbers in PDF
[20:42] <Myrtti> it's been good value for the three years I've had it coming
[22:30]  * awilkins_ is reinstalling his desktop on Windows 10 / Ubuntu Wily
[22:30] <awilkins_> And as usual, it's Windows that's being a total PITA
[22:30] <awilkins_> Ubuntu installer? Just works.
[22:30] <awilkins_> Windows installer? Somehow doesn't have drivers for my disk controllers]
[22:30] <diddledan> must.. resist.. wily.. joke
[22:31] <daftykins> awilkins_: that's very odd, i've not seen that for a long time - perhaps your primary OS disk is attached to a non-native motherboard controller (if this is a desktop)
[22:32] <awilkins_> I used the USB setup wizard thing
[22:32] <awilkins_> Think it's botched the download
[22:32] <diddledan> \o/
[22:32] <daftykins> ah i never trust that kinda shenanigans, i tell it to snag the ISO
[22:32] <awilkins_> No option to if you access the "Download an ISO" page from windows 7
[22:33] <awilkins_> Well, ok, the wizard thing will save one for you
[22:33] <daftykins> and use the .exe util? i downloaded it that way
[22:33] <daftykins> if you're EFI booting you can just extract it directly onto a FAT32 formatted drive of course
[22:33] <awilkins_> Just going to do what I do with UBuntu isos now and DD it onto the stick
[22:34] <awilkins_> Also, do I want the English? Or English International?
[22:34] <awilkins_> Microsoft really just go out of their way to make things opaque]
[22:34] <daftykins> can't do that with Windows ones afaiui
[22:34] <diddledan> english international is for native english english speakers?
[22:35] <awilkins_> Isn't ISO just a raw disk dump?
[22:35] <daftykins> newp
[22:35]  * awilkins_ will try it anyway
[22:35] <daftykins> err i used the util to select UK and it grabbed one just fine :>
[22:35] <awilkins_> BECAUSE I'M STUBBORN
[22:35] <diddledan> iso is specific to optical media afaiui
[22:35] <daftykins> well it'd be good to know if it's changed, so go ahead :D
[22:35] <awilkins_> The Ubuntu ones still work just splatted onto a USB though
[22:36] <diddledan> it's actually shorthand for ISO9660 which is a standard of the ISO
[22:36] <awilkins_> In fact, I've found it more reliable than the ubuntu USB thingy recently
[22:36] <daftykins> btw i counter that with how installing ubuntu for about 9 years gave us in Guernsey, the US layout by default - that annoyed me - my bug got ignored for over 2 years
[22:36] <diddledan> as in International Standards Organisation
[22:36] <awilkins_> Yeah, but isn't it just a block level dump of an optical media filesystem?
[22:37] <diddledan> daftykins, that's because your foreign folk aren't worthy of our bug trackers!
[22:37] <daftykins> :D
[22:37] <awilkins_> And hence anything that isn't too dumb can just pretend the USB block device is an optical block device and work?
[22:37] <daftykins> sorry, i shall take leave with the rest of my simple fisher folk
[22:37] <daftykins> :D
[22:37] <daftykins> i've no idea why ubuntu ISOs like a good dd and Windows ones don't
[22:38]  * diddledan dd's his wily
[22:38] <awilkins_> The answer is always "BECAUSE WINDOWS SUCKS"
[22:38] <awilkins_> These damned ISO images don't even have published checksums
[22:38] <awilkins_> SO PANTS
[22:38] <diddledan> I don't know how they do it but somehow they've got a valid non-optical layout in addition to the optical layouty
[22:38] <daftykins> util does it for you i think
[22:39] <diddledan> the ubuntu ones have, I mean
[22:48] <penguin42> daftykins: I think Ubuntu ISOs actually have multiple headers in the first few blocks, so not only are they valid ISO9660 CD images, but they also have a valid DOS partition table and boot block
[22:49] <penguin42> daftykins: And probably a few floppy images embedded in the ISO as well to make them boot
[22:49] <daftykins> ah har
[22:50] <daftykins> the result from parted -l after "cp ubuntu.iso /dev/sdX" && sync" was the weirdest i've seen o0
[22:50] <penguin42> daftykins: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html
[22:50] <penguin42> (I've not looked at the ubuntu ones but I suspect they're similar)
[22:51] <diddledan> penguin42, I believe they're also EFI-bootable, too, so that's three different formats on the one stick!
[22:51] <penguin42> diddledan: Right, it's ludicrously complex - https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/4957.html
[22:51] <penguin42> diddledan: It also has to work around all the screwed up boot sectors
[22:52] <daftykins> penguin42: ty that is really interesting, mmm
[22:52] <penguin42> daftykins: and screwed up bioses
[22:52] <diddledan> windows reads an ubuntu iso dd'd to a usb as a single partition of a few tens of MB in the middle of the sick (I've got an 8GB thingy that I've seen this on) and nothing around it
[22:53] <daftykins> o0 hmm not seen that with mine
[22:53] <diddledan> to be able to get the disk usable in windows again you need to use the command line diskpart utility to run "CLEAN" on the usb to wipe any partition tables
[22:53] <daftykins> what are you looking at the disk with?
[22:53] <diddledan> unless you've got a linux handy, obv
[22:53] <diddledan> to reset it under linux is simple, my example was doing it in windows to read it in windows
[22:54] <diddledan> daftykins, disk management
[22:54]  * diddledan boots 'dowse to doublecheck
[22:55] <daftykins> i've got that surface 4 all hidden away up at the clients now awaiting wrapping and Christmas gifting ;)
[22:55] <diddledan> :-)
[22:55] <diddledan> have you played with the hello feature?
[22:56] <daftykins> naw, figured i'd leave all that to her to enjoy
[22:56] <daftykins> i debated whether or not we'd end up buying the type cover with the fingerprint reader...
[22:57] <daftykins> generally i find the software quite immature in win10 on there, like the way i press power and it won't always show a picture
[22:57] <diddledan> afaict the cover with the fingerprint was primarily meant for pro3 owners because their camera doesn't do the IR depth sensing for hello to work
[22:57] <daftykins> or it'll show what was last on screen before sleep before quickly flashing to the login screen, which isn't good for sensitive data
[22:57] <daftykins> *nod* yeah i think i read that too
[22:58] <diddledan> although bot the pro3 and pro4 keyboards have the same connector I believe
[22:58] <diddledan> I think I read that it's plain old usb
[22:58] <diddledan> the dock is also usb3, I think I read
[22:58] <diddledan> just with proprietary connector
[22:59] <awilkins_> OK, now I have a booting USB
[22:59] <awilkins_> Wootage
[22:59] <daftykins> \o/
[23:00] <awilkins_> Arrrgh same problem
[23:00] <awilkins_> "A media driver your computer needs is missing"
[23:00]  * awilkins_ stabs Windows in the heart
[23:01] <daftykins> desktop or laptop, this victim?
[23:01] <daftykins> also that's totally not like what we get in #ubuntu every day ;D
[23:03] <awilkins_> Gnarrrrrr
[23:03] <awilkins_> Solution : the comment on this youtube
[23:03] <awilkins_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3BkALLfTYU&lc=z12bwjtzpmzjsblxb04chf5bgzm2e1v5go00k
[23:03] <awilkins_> Just verified that this works
[23:03] <awilkins_> Cancel setup, switch the USB to a different port and start again
[23:03] <diddledan> o_O
[23:03]  * awilkins_ thunks head on desk repeatedly
[23:03] <daftykins> ah you probably used a USB 3 port
[23:03] <daftykins> yeah that doesn't work :>
[23:04] <awilkins_> Nope
[23:04] <awilkins_> Two ports on the same USB hub
[23:05] <daftykins> using a hub to put install media in? wth
[23:05] <daftykins> things i wouldn't do 101 :)
[23:05] <awilkins_> The front ports on my machine are in a recessed pit and my USB is too fat to go in
[23:06] <awilkins_> And I can't be bothered to go around the back
[23:06] <daftykins> nasty
[23:06] <awilkins_> And I don't have an extension cord to hand
[23:06] <awilkins_> And using the hub works just fine for Ubuntu!!
[23:06] <daftykins> it's these shortcuts that drama stems from :)
[23:07] <awilkins_> Gah
[23:07] <awilkins_> "we couldn't create a new partition or locate an existing one
[23:09] <daftykins> i'd go for straight mobo ports :>
[23:11] <diddledan> daftykins, this is my wily installer disk: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8253dkwa0vnfnse/Screenshot%202015-12-22%2023.10.55.png?dl=0
[23:11] <daftykins> wow that's a new one on me
[23:11] <daftykins> trust you and your wily!
[23:12]  * diddledan waves his wily
[23:13] <awilkins_> I used to have a pretty sophisticated Ubuntu LiveUSB that also served as a file transfer stick for Windows
[23:13] <awilkins_> You have to make it look like a hard disk, not a USB
[23:13] <awilkins_> And put the Windows partition first
[23:13] <awilkins_> Or something
[23:13] <awilkins_> Can't remember
[23:13] <awilkins_> It was a fiddle