[00:35] <SebastianTCL> this is ridiculous
[00:35] <SebastianTCL> every time i log in either the sound nor the microphone goes away
[00:35] <SebastianTCL> i already got pulse audio
[00:35] <SebastianTCL> it doesnt work
[01:17] <RoadRunner> Can't test and install Linux images from live USB's on one of my comps.  Get "Boot error" right after BIOS's POST.  But the same live USB's work OK on another comp.  Tried diff physical flash sticks, diff images (ubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu).  Diff writing apps (Unetbootin and Universal USB installer). Reformatted a test ubuntu partition and renewed the boot sector from an older WinXP image (dual boot system).  Insured USB should boot 1s
[01:18] <RoadRunner> t in BIOS, but when trying to boot into a usb - the result on that box is always the same: "Boot error".  Any suggestions?
[02:27] <adueppen> On the topic of LXQt, would anyone here know what package handles the main desktop? I'm doing some QA and want to know where to report a bug.
[02:28] <Unit193> As in, icons and background?  pcmanfm-qt isn't it?  Try killing that and see? :P  (ps aux | grep pcman  see if it has --no-desktop or somesuch thing.)
[02:29] <adueppen> Unit193: it also seems to be affecting the mouse cursor as well, so would that still be pcmanfm-qt?
[02:38] <adueppen> Unit193: never mind, found the bug on pcmanfm-qt
[02:40] <Unit193> Ah, nice!
[04:53] <Mdxxx> does anyone know a good startup disk creator replacement?
[04:53] <Unit193> dd?
[04:56] <SebastianTCL> can someone help me make a small partition from within lubuntu for a parallel distro i want to dualboot alongside lubuntu?
[05:33] <SebastianTCL> something weird is happening
[05:33] <SebastianTCL> two times now it has logged me out
[05:33] <SebastianTCL> with a cli shoing at the top
[05:33] <SebastianTCL> light display manager has been started and then ok in yellow
[05:33] <SebastianTCL> then it logs me out and i have to log back in
[05:33] <SebastianTCL> why is that?
[05:34] <SebastianTCL> it seems to be vlc that triggers it
[05:36] <SebastianTCL> i have hexchat, transmission, chrome, and vlc open
[05:36] <SebastianTCL> when i resume the video i am playing it kicks me out
[05:36] <SebastianTCL> logs me out
[05:39] <SebastianTCL> three times now upon playing vlc it logs me out
[05:39] <SebastianTCL> to a cli with started light window manager
[05:39] <SebastianTCL> then i have to log again and all the apps are closed
[06:01] <tachibana> hi
[08:54] <SebastianTCL> anyone can help me modify grub to add an entry to the configuration file?
[09:08] <Kamilion> perhaps
[09:09] <SebastianTCL> I did a clean install from libecd
[09:09] <SebastianTCL> livecd
[09:09] <SebastianTCL> and i cannot find a normal grub config file
[09:09] <SebastianTCL> to copy a menuentry
[09:09] <Kamilion> what do you mean by normal
[09:09] <Kamilion> /boot/grub/grub.cfg works fine for me?
[09:09] <SebastianTCL> like the one in gnome/ubuntu
[09:10] <SebastianTCL> if what you say is so then is hould be able to run sudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:10] <Kamilion> but that's built by /etc/grub.d/ snippets during update-grub
[09:10] <Kamilion> if you want to make CHANGES, that's the right place.
[09:11] <Kamilion> something like /etc/grub.d/40_custom or /etc/grub.d/41_custom
[09:11] <SebastianTCL> Kamilton
[09:11] <SebastianTCL> please take a look at http://pastebin.com/mNSC4JEb
[09:11] <Kamilion> then running update-grub will do the right thing instead of scribbling over your changes every time.
[09:11] <Kamilion> yes, I know what a generated grub.cfg looks like.
[09:12] <Kamilion> Line two is "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE"
[09:12] <SebastianTCL> now
[09:12] <SebastianTCL> the entry i want to add is in this folder /home/nemo/tcl/boot
[09:12] <SebastianTCL> it's an extracted image of tinycorelinux
[09:13] <Kamilion> k.
[09:13] <SebastianTCL> the file is vmlinuz for some reason on properties it appears as a dos windows executable
[09:13] <Kamilion> edit /etc/grub.d/40_custom, include the entry you need there.
[09:13] <Kamilion> run update-grub as root to regenerate the config file in /boot/grub/
[09:14] <Kamilion> do you know the right setup to do loopback mounting to get AT /home/nemo/tcl/boot/ ?
[09:14] <SebastianTCL> no, thats precisely the issue
[09:15] <Kamilion> you might find some help looking over some of my entries.
[09:15] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/resources/buildscripts/xengrub.cfg
[09:15] <SebastianTCL> thx i will take a look
[09:16] <Kamilion> you'll need to use the 'loopback loop' function
[09:16] <SebastianTCL> what is that?
[09:17] <Kamilion> telling grub to mount a file on a volume as a device.
[09:17] <Kamilion> like mounting an iso from a different filesystem.
[09:17] <SebastianTCL> hmm i think tinycore doesnt use initrd just vmlinuz
[09:17] <Kamilion> it's just a kernel file?
[09:17] <SebastianTCL> yes
[09:17] <Kamilion> easy enough then
[09:17] <Kamilion> put the file in /boot/
[09:18] <SebastianTCL> an entry will still be needed though no?
[09:18] <Kamilion> yeah, typing it out, sec
[09:20] <SebastianTCL> so i think a menuentry onmine looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/14160672/
[09:21] <Kamilion> yeah, just copy that to the end of 40_custom
[09:21] <Kamilion> remove the initrd line
[09:21] <Kamilion> and replace the linux line with something like
[09:21] <Kamilion> linux /boot/tclvmlinuz console=tty0 noprompt libata.ignore_hpa=1 nodmraid raid=noautodetect ip=frommedia --
[09:22] <SebastianTCL> it doesnt let me paste the file onto /boot
[09:22] <SebastianTCL> it says permission denied
[09:22] <Kamilion> you own the machine or not?
[09:22] <SebastianTCL> yess
[09:22] <Kamilion> k, can just as easily change the path I just printed above
[09:22] <Kamilion> or copy the file as root somehow (using sudo or something)
[09:22] <SebastianTCL> ok one moment
[09:23] <Kamilion> linux /home/nemo/tcl/boot/tclvmlinuz console=tty0 noprompt libata.ignore_hpa=1 nodmraid raid=noautodetect ip=frommedia --
[09:23] <Kamilion> you'll still need to be root to edit /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[09:23] <Kamilion> and again, root will be needed to run 'update-grub' correctly.
[09:23] <SebastianTCL> ok i pasted "vmlinuz" onto the /boot folder using sudo pcmanfm
[09:24] <SebastianTCL> let me take a look at your link now
[09:24] <Kamilion> might wanna rename it
[09:24] <SebastianTCL> why?
[09:24] <Kamilion> to tclvmlinuz or something
[09:24] <Kamilion> "vmlinuz" is a file that might get deleted accidentally by a script
[09:24] <SebastianTCL> ok
[09:24] <Kamilion> changing the first few characters ensures this won't happen automatically
[09:24] <SebastianTCL> one moment please
[09:25] <SebastianTCL> ok i renamed it to tclvmlinuz
[09:25] <Kamilion> so you'll need to give the tcl kernel some boot parameters
[09:26] <Kamilion> linux /boot/tclvmlinuz console=tty0 noprompt libata.ignore_hpa=1 nodmraid raid=noautodetect ip=frommedia --
[09:26] <Kamilion> In this example, console=tty0 noprompt libata.ignore_hpa=1 nodmraid raid=noautodetect ip=frommedia --
[09:26] <SebastianTCL> how do i know which specific parameters i should use?
[09:26] <SebastianTCL> i dont want to mess up my boot sequence
[09:26] <SebastianTCL> please bear with me
[09:26] <Kamilion> "use the VGA console, ignore host protected areas on disks, don't use dmraid, don't autodetect raid devices" is what that one says.
[09:27] <Kamilion> the first two are actually telling the kernel something
[09:27] <Kamilion> the second two are ignored by the kernel and only used by the init scripts (in this case, ubuntu's)
[09:27] <Kamilion> since TCL is so far out of date, I don't really know about running it anymore
[09:28] <Kamilion> I forgot a year ago at least, lol
[09:28] <Kamilion> oh wait, wikipedia says it's up to date...
[09:28] <Kamilion> maybe I'm mistaking it for another tiny distro like it
[09:29] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14160778/
[09:29] <SebastianTCL> like that?
[09:30] <Kamilion> remove the root= line
[09:30] <Kamilion> er, option
[09:30] <SebastianTCL> now something that worries me is that after i changed the name of the file the icon has changed to one of those blank with a bolt in the middle icons
[09:30] <Kamilion> tcl should have it's own root filesystems
[09:30] <Kamilion> built into the initramfs image on the end of the kernel
[09:31] <Kamilion> ah, i think i mistook tinycorelinux for damnsmalllinux
[09:31] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14160807/
[09:31] <SebastianTCL> ?
[09:32] <Kamilion> that looks pretty close.
[09:32] <Kamilion> Are you sure this is just a single kernel file?
[09:32] <Kamilion> I'm used to it from openwrt xen domu builds
[09:32] <Kamilion> where the 2MB jffs filesystem is just concatinated to the end of the kernel image
[09:32] <Kamilion> but from the documentation on http://tinycorelinux.net/ it makes reference to a root filesystem
[09:33] <SebastianTCL> looking at http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=13501.0
[09:33] <SebastianTCL> http://tinycorelinux.net/6.x/x86/release/CorePlus-current.iso
[09:33] <SebastianTCL> that's the image i extracted
[09:33] <Kamilion> uhh
[09:33] <Kamilion> ... whoa
[09:33] <Kamilion> doing it waaay wrong then
[09:33] <Kamilion> copy the whole ISO file to /boot
[09:34] <Kamilion> don't pull out the kernel image, lol
[09:34] <SebastianTCL> please explain, are you telling me not to extract it?
[09:34] <Kamilion> where's it say to extract anything? LOL!
[09:35] <Kamilion> i boot ISO files with grub all the time!
[09:35] <SebastianTCL> but i want to be able to access my files/partition and install the persistent apps
[09:35] <SebastianTCL> when i run boot up
[09:35] <Kamilion> yeah, and?
[09:35] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core
[09:36] <Kamilion> I do that just fine.
[09:36] <Kamilion> from a 850MB ISO file.
[09:36] <Kamilion> I boot lubuntu the way they're showing you how to boot TCL
[09:36] <SebastianTCL> ok then give me one moment
[09:36] <Kamilion> and I can mount all my data partitions just fine once it's finished starting up
[09:37] <Kamilion> all you have to do is tell it how to get started
[09:37] <Kamilion> so yeah, copy the iso into /boot/
[09:37] <SebastianTCL> CorePlus-current.iso has been pasted onto /boot
[09:37] <Kamilion> so you have /boot/CorePlus-current.iso
[09:38] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14160902/
[09:38] <SebastianTCL> line 7
[09:39] <Kamilion> sec
[09:39] <Kamilion> making a paste for you
[09:39] <Kamilion> SebastianTCL: http://hastebin.com/oqalaxasit.vbs
[09:39] <Kamilion> using the options as shown from http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,13501.msg78410.html?PHPSESSID=ySzuMJmABmJDq5y3RyqGs1#msg78410
[09:40] <Kamilion> replace ADDMOREHERE with any other kernel options you need
[09:40] <Kamilion> the -- indicates "I'm done"
[09:40] <Kamilion> it's literally THAT easy to boot ISOs. :)
[09:41] <Kamilion> I had to go get the ISO to look at what the filenames were inside it
[09:41] <Kamilion> but I didn't need to extract it
[09:41] <Kamilion> I just opened it with file-roller
[09:41] <SebastianTCL> I am sorry, pleae excuse me Kamilion i am a noob here, how do you mean any other kernel options i need? i only want to have tcl and lubuntu on dual so
[09:41] <Kamilion> SebastianTCL: lol
[09:42] <Kamilion> I don't need any special kernel options myself, I have well-supported hardware
[09:42] <Kamilion> but some examples would be
[09:42] <Kamilion> libata.ignore_hpa=1
[09:42] <SebastianTCL> is there a way for me to check whether i need to do that?
[09:42] <Kamilion> that is specifically a kernel option
[09:42] <Kamilion> now, here's some interesting information
[09:43] <SebastianTCL> here http://pastebin.com/mNSC4JEb
[09:43] <Kamilion> if you pass anything the kernel doesn't know on that line, it simply ignores it
[09:43] <Kamilion> so you could put in cats=ilovedogs
[09:43] <Kamilion> it wouldn't DO anything
[09:43] <Kamilion> but later on
[09:43] <Kamilion> when it's running
[09:43] <Kamilion> you can look at /proc/cmdline
[09:43] <SebastianTCL> can you help me open up my grub.cfg file again
[09:43] <Kamilion> and you'll see all of those extra options -- which means, scripts can look at those. AND THEY DO.
[09:44] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14160974/
[09:44] <Kamilion> so, it really depends more on the scripts that are trying to read information from the kernel commandline
[09:44] <SebastianTCL> that's my current cfg file
[09:44] <Kamilion> which is totally meaningless
[09:44] <Kamilion> other than I see you have not yet run update-grub with your changes in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[09:45] <SebastianTCL> wait
[09:45] <SebastianTCL> i didnt add the entry yet because i got confused with the other kernel options comment
[09:45] <SebastianTCL> and i didnt want to f--- up anything
[09:46] <Kamilion> the whole point of using the /etc/grub.d/40_custom file is so the protections in update-grub don't ALLOW you to f--- up anything.
[09:46] <Kamilion> it will warn you if the configuration is invalid
[09:46] <Kamilion> it will NOT warn you if the configuration IS VALID, but stupid.
[09:47] <SebastianTCL> oh ok
[09:47] <Kamilion> there's a difference between something being valid, and actually being parsed into making sense
[09:47] <SebastianTCL> how do i open the 40_custom custom file from the terminal, i am on lubuntu so gedit doesnt work
[09:47] <Kamilion> gksudo leafpad /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[09:47] <Kamilion> or apt-get install gedit (which is what I do)
[09:48] <SebastianTCL> ok
[09:48] <Kamilion> if it complains you don't have gksudo
[09:48] <Kamilion> you'll have to apt-get install it
[09:48] <SebastianTCL> i show this http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161038/
[09:48] <Kamilion> but it should be there
[09:49] <Kamilion> yep
[09:49] <SebastianTCL> please tell me exactly how i should modify it
[09:49] <Kamilion> http://hastebin.com/oqalaxasit.vbs
[09:49] <Kamilion> add this to the end
[09:49] <Kamilion> don't disturb the existing contents.
[09:49] <Kamilion> er sec
[09:49] <Kamilion> http://hastebin.com/ozovivalus.vbs
[09:49] <SebastianTCL> like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161055/
[09:49] <SebastianTCL> ?
[09:50] <Kamilion> yep!
[09:50] <Kamilion> you can paste as many more as you want on the end of that
[09:50] <Kamilion> if you want to try different things
[09:50] <SebastianTCL> do i delete the addmorehere line?
[09:50] <Kamilion> just make sure you don't forget the closing } on each one
[09:50] <SebastianTCL> or just save it?
[09:50] <Kamilion> go into that line
[09:51] <Kamilion> and backspace over ADDMOREHERE and nodhcp
[09:51] <SebastianTCL> ok
[09:51] <Kamilion> nodhcp is the option that tells it not to get an IP address from a router
[09:51] <Kamilion> which I assume, you probably want it to get an IP address
[09:51] <SebastianTCL> now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161073/
[09:51] <Kamilion> there's a LOT of little options like 'nodhcp'
[09:52] <Kamilion> when you figure out IF you need any
[09:52] <Kamilion> then you type them in where "ADDMOREHERE" was, before the --
[09:52] <SebastianTCL> so i save it like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161073/ ?
[09:52] <Kamilion> so, are you understanding that I was using that as a placeholder?
[09:52] <Kamilion> yep
[09:52] <Kamilion> looks good
[09:52] <SebastianTCL> ok one moment please
[09:52] <Kamilion> over time you'll discover more options to add
[09:52] <SebastianTCL> saved
[09:53] <Kamilion> just keep in mind where you're supposed to add them
[09:53] <Kamilion> if you add them after -- they will be ignored :)
[09:53] <SebastianTCL> now from what i understand there's another file that requires some modification to the comments like taking away dashes ## so that grub will list the options to boot from
[09:53] <Kamilion> nope!
[09:53] <Kamilion> that's it.
[09:53] <Kamilion> save the file
[09:53] <Kamilion> open a terminal
[09:53] <Kamilion> sudo grub-update
[09:53] <Kamilion> and you should see it tell you it included 40_custom at the end of it.
[09:54] <SebastianTCL> comand not found
[09:54] <Kamilion> whoops
[09:54] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161073/
[09:54] <Kamilion> lol
[09:54] <Kamilion> sudo update-grub
[09:54] <SebastianTCL> er
[09:54] <Kamilion> my mistake
[09:55] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161120/
[09:55] <Kamilion> now pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:55] <Kamilion> and you should see your entry at the end!
[09:56] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161130/
[09:56] <Kamilion> might wanna add a blank line at the end of /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[09:56] <Kamilion> then run that again
[09:57] <Kamilion> but yeah, looks good.
[09:57] <SebastianTCL> one moment please
[09:57] <Kamilion> now, as for grub SHOWING you the menu...
[09:57] <Kamilion> you'll have to
[09:57] <Kamilion> gksudo leafpad /etc/default/grub
[09:57] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161145/
[09:58] <Kamilion> then read the configuration options within
[09:58] <SebastianTCL> is that better?
[09:58] <Kamilion> I don't see any difference, so maybe it's ignoring blank lines by itself. Wouldn't suprise me.
[09:59] <SebastianTCL> ok let me make pause here to tell you something
[09:59] <Kamilion> the configuration options in /etc/default/grub are easy to understand if you take a moment to read them.
[10:00] <SebastianTCL> in this oddysey
[10:00] <SebastianTCL> i installed this app http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/how-to-change-boot-order-set-default-boot-os-in-ubuntu-14-10-15-04-linux-mint-or-other-derivatives
[10:00] <Kamilion> however, the only one you should probably have to change is 'GRUB_TIMEOUT"
[10:00] <Kamilion> as long as it is not 0, the menu will be displayed
[10:00] <Kamilion> I like to set it to 10
[10:00] <SebastianTCL> so youre telling me it should all work fine by now and that if i open that program it will show me the tlc entry?
[10:01] <Kamilion> IF you can get the menu to show!
[10:01] <Kamilion> which, in normal mode, it hides the menu
[10:01] <Kamilion> to change that behavior, you need to change an option in /etc/default/grub
[10:01] <SebastianTCL> how?
[10:01] <Kamilion> GRUB_TIMEOUT is the name of the option
[10:01] <SebastianTCL> grub customizer does show the tinycore entry
[10:02] <SebastianTCL> ok please tell me exactly how to modify this file
[10:02] <Kamilion> gksudo leafpad /etc/default/grub
[10:02] <SebastianTCL> sudo leafpad
[10:02] <Kamilion> sure
[10:02] <Kamilion> just make sure GRUB_TIMEOUT is NOT 0
[10:02] <Kamilion> if it is 0
[10:02] <Kamilion> put a 1 in front so it's GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[10:02] <Kamilion> then save the file.
[10:02] <Kamilion> that's it.
[10:03] <Kamilion> now you must run 'sudo update-grub' one more time
[10:03] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161204/
[10:03] <Kamilion> yep.
[10:03] <SebastianTCL> like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161220/ ?
[10:03] <Kamilion> as it says in line 1
[10:04] <Kamilion> # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[10:04] <Kamilion> No, GRUB_TIMEOUT
[10:04] <Kamilion> not GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT
[10:04] <Kamilion> you just hid the menu again!
[10:05] <SebastianTCL> i just undid
[10:05] <SebastianTCL> one moment
[10:05] <Kamilion> when GRUB_TIMEOUT is equal to GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT, the menu will be hidden, okay?
[10:05] <Kamilion> (but the timer will still count)
[10:05] <Kamilion> your first one was fine
[10:05] <SebastianTCL> thus http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161246/ ?
[10:06] <Kamilion> looks okay to me.
[10:06] <Kamilion> yes.
[10:06] <Kamilion> now you must run sudo update-grub
[10:06] <Kamilion> after that, you should see the menu entry at the bottom of the list in grub, and it should start up tiny core
[10:07] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161265/
[10:07] <Kamilion> yep! just ignore the warning it prints.
[10:08] <Kamilion> it is harmless.
[10:08] <Kamilion> (if it was not harmless, it would have been Error: )
[10:08] <SebastianTCL> ok so now if i reboot
[10:08] <SebastianTCL> i should be able to see it listed
[10:08] <SebastianTCL> as an option
[10:08] <SebastianTCL> right?
[10:08] <Kamilion> yeah, and it should work if you choose it.
[10:09] <Kamilion> c'mon back here and let me know how it goes.
[10:09] <SebastianTCL> ok brb
[10:09] <Kamilion> i assume it has a webbrowser
[10:09] <Kamilion> so you can use freenode's webchat
[10:10] <Kamilion> webchat.freenode.net/?channels=lubuntu
[10:15] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, didnt work
[10:15] <SebastianTCL> went straight into lubuntu splash screen
[10:15] <SebastianTCL> took a little while longer
[10:17] <SebastianTCL> but it went into the lubuntu screen
[10:19] <Kamilion> huh
[10:19] <Kamilion> no menu?
[10:20] <Kamilion> run sudo update-grub once more
[10:20] <Kamilion> Also, you can hold shift during boot to force grub to show the menu.
[10:20] <SebastianTCL> ok let me retry
[10:21] <Kamilion> once you get the menu to show, it should be an easy ride
[10:28] <sebtcl> Kamilion, didnt work
[10:28] <sebtcl> now i am logged as guest
[10:28] <sebtcl> if i log normally the mouse cursor wont move
[10:29] <Kamilion> Ahhhhhhh, fun with sudo.
[10:29] <Kamilion> root owns something in your homedir now
[10:29] <sebtcl> i also tried to ctrl f7 but it wouldnt
[10:29] <sebtcl> what do i do_
[10:29] <sebtcl> ?
[10:29] <Kamilion> open a root terminal somehow
[10:29] <Kamilion> chown -R nemo:nemo /home/nemo/
[10:30] <sebtcl> guest-A3ZNgG@ithaka:~$ chown -R nemo:nemo /home/nemo/
[10:30] <sebtcl> chown: cannot read directory ‘/home/nemo/’: Permission denied
[10:30] <Kamilion> can ctrl-alt-f1, login as nemo, then sudo -s
[10:30] <Kamilion> should get you to root, as I don't think guest is allowed sudo permissions
[10:30] <sebtcl> please come again
[10:30] <Kamilion> you are not root
[10:30] <Kamilion> you need to be root
[10:30] <sebtcl> i get it but how do i do that again
[10:31] <sebtcl> ctrl alt f1 then what do i do_
[10:31] <sebtcl> what will happen if i do that
[10:31] <Kamilion> sudo -s while being logged int as a user that has sudo permissions
[10:31] <Kamilion> the user ubuntu's installer created will have them by default
[10:31] <Kamilion> it will switch to a text console
[10:31] <Kamilion> and present you with login:
[10:31] <Kamilion> where you type nemo
[10:31] <Kamilion> then it asks for the password
[10:32] <Kamilion> you type hunter2, or whatever your password is, I'll say hunter2 for the sake of arguement
[10:32] <Kamilion> it gives you a user prompt
[10:32] <Kamilion> you type sudo -s
[10:32] <Kamilion> it asks you for nemo's password
[10:32] <Kamilion> you type hunter2
[10:32] <Kamilion> it gives you a root prompt
[10:32] <Kamilion> you type chown -R nemo:nemo /home/nemo/
[10:33] <Kamilion> then you ctrl-alt-f7 back to the graphical terminal the guest session is running on.
[10:34] <sebtcl> permission denied
[10:34] <Kamilion> huh.
[10:34] <Kamilion> where, trying to sudo?
[10:35] <sebtcl> ok one moment please
[10:35] <sebtcl> ok
[10:35] <sebtcl> i did it with sudo and then it gave me the prompt again
[10:35] <sebtcl> now what do i do
[10:36] <Kamilion> log out of guest and try your own user account again
[10:36] <Kamilion> should work this time.
[10:38] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, what happened?
[10:38] <Kamilion> you probably used 'sudo' somewhere in a graphical terminal.
[10:38] <Kamilion> instead of gksudo
[10:38] <Kamilion> which resulted in root owning one or more configuration files in your home directory.
[10:39] <SebastianTCL> how can i rectify this?
[10:39] <SebastianTCL> and proceed with the grub stuff
[10:39] <Kamilion> you already did
[10:40] <Kamilion> that is what chown did
[10:40] <SebastianTCL> so if i reboot now it will list tlc_
[10:40] <SebastianTCL> ?*
[10:40] <Kamilion> changed the ownership of all the files, recursively, in your home directory, to be owned by the user nemo and the group nemo.
[10:40] <Kamilion> fixing the files owned by root
[10:40] <Kamilion> open up lxterminal and 'gksudo update-grub'
[10:41] <Kamilion> then reboot and start holding down shift when the bios comes up, and grub should show up.
[10:41] <SebastianTCL> brb
[10:41] <Kamilion> good luck..
[10:42] <Kamilion> (he's lucky I have a model linux in my head)
[10:44] <sebastcl> Kamilion, same thing happened
[10:44] <sebastcl> not listed
[10:45] <sebastcl> if i login the mouse doesnt move
[10:45] <sebastcl> so let me see if i get this correctly
[10:45] <sebastcl> ctrl alt f1
[10:45] <sebastcl> then sudo chown -R nemo:nemo /home/nemo
[10:45] <sebastcl> ?
[10:45] <Kamilion> yep
[10:46] <Kamilion> not sure what did that this time.
[10:47] <sebastcl> ok
[10:47] <sebastcl> let me switch user now
[10:48] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, i follow you
[10:49] <Kamilion> whatever's doing that is an old bug that I've fought with many times
[10:49] <Kamilion> the easiest way I know how to cause it, is using 'sudo' while in lxterminal
[10:50] <Kamilion> instead, anywhere that says 'sudo' in the instructions, replace it yourself with 'gksudo' if you're using lxterminal
[10:50] <Kamilion> which should stop that from happening
[10:50] <SebastianTCL> so what do i do now
[10:50] <Kamilion> (not being able to log in correctly)
[10:50] <Kamilion> I don't know why grub's menu isn't showing, honestly.
[10:52] <SebastianTCL> looking at http://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[10:52] <Kamilion> oh
[10:52] <Kamilion> that's what you meant
[10:53] <Kamilion> gksudo leafpad
[10:53] <Kamilion> open up /etc/default/grub
[10:53] <Kamilion> move down to the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 line
[10:53] <Kamilion> put a # at the beginning of it
[10:53] <Kamilion> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[10:53] <Kamilion> save the file.
[10:53] <Kamilion> go back to lxterminal
[10:53] <Kamilion> gksudo update-grub
[10:54] <SebastianTCL> ok
[10:54] <Kamilion> (the instructions say run sudo update-grub, which DOES work on some of the other desktops available -- just not lubuntu.)
[10:54] <SebastianTCL> did that
[10:54] <SebastianTCL> thats done
[10:54] <SebastianTCL> should it work now if i boot up?
[10:54] <Kamilion> did the warning line go away when you ran update-grub?
[10:55] <SebastianTCL> which warning line?
[10:55] <Kamilion> Generating grub configuration file ...
[10:55] <Kamilion> Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[10:55] <Kamilion> ^ this one
[10:55] <Kamilion> it should not be there this time
[10:56] <SebastianTCL> not there
[10:56] <Kamilion> (not as harmless as I initially thought, lol)
[10:56] <SebastianTCL> it is not there
[10:56] <SebastianTCL> the warning
[10:56] <Kamilion> yeah, should get the menu for 10 seconds, with the cursor on ubuntu by default
[10:56] <Kamilion> then auto boot ubuntu if you don't touch it
[10:56] <SebastianTCL> brb
[11:02] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, i dont know
[11:02] <SebastianTCL> no grub
[11:02] <SebastianTCL> still stuck with the mouse
[11:02] <SebastianTCL> didnt use sudo
[11:02] <SebastianTCL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[11:07] <SebastianTCL> what did i do wrong?
[11:07] <SebastianTCL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[11:09] <Kamilion> sorry, was helping someone else
[11:09] <SebastianTCL> np
[11:10] <Kamilion> Not sure what the login issue is now :<
[11:10] <Kamilion> nor why grub isn't showing the menu
[11:10] <SebastianTCL> lets retrace our steps
[11:10] <SebastianTCL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[11:12] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161824/
[11:12] <SebastianTCL> thats the grub file right now
[11:12] <leszek> hi
[11:13] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161839/
[11:13] <SebastianTCL> that{s the cfg file currently
[11:14] <Kamilion> the grub.cfg looks correct
[11:14] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, the script doesnt seem to be there
[11:14] <Kamilion> which script?
[11:15] <Kamilion> I see line 248 to line 253
[11:15] <SebastianTCL> oh youre right
[11:19] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, someone suggested I Change to GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false update-grub and retry
[11:20] <Kamilion> grub_hidden_timeout is already commented out
[11:20] <Kamilion> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false
[11:20] <Kamilion> sounds worthwhile though.
[11:20] <SebastianTCL> brb
[11:26] <SebastianTCL> didnt work
[11:26] <SebastianTCL> got a 3 2 1 count down no grub even if i pressed shift
[11:27] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion
[11:28] <SebastianTCL> maybe i typed it wrong http://paste.ubuntu.com/14161968/
[11:31] <Kamilion> 3 2 1 countdown?
[11:31]  * Kamilion scratches his head
[11:32] <SebastianTCL> yeah at boot up i got a 3 2 1 0
[11:32] <SebastianTCL> but nothing happened
[11:32] <SebastianTCL> someone suggested i do this
[11:32] <SebastianTCL> sudo grub-mkconfig
[11:32] <SebastianTCL> thoughts?
[11:35] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion,
[11:36] <Kamilion> grub-mkconfig is what update-grub runs.
[11:37] <Kamilion> so, yeah, nothing should change (lol)
[11:39] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14162088/
[11:42] <SebastianTCL> Kamilion, if i undo what we have done will it go back to normal?
[11:43] <Kamilion> removing the lines from /etc/grub.d/40_custom ? Yes.
[11:44] <SebastianTCL> ok that is done
[11:44] <SebastianTCL> what about the other one
[11:45] <SebastianTCL> i brought it back to true
[11:45] <SebastianTCL> from false
[11:45] <SebastianTCL> the grub one
[11:45] <SebastianTCL> let me reboot and see now
[11:47] <SebastianTCL> oh well
[11:47] <SebastianTCL> : /
[12:08] <Kamilion> sorry
[12:08] <Kamilion> was busy in #lxde
[12:09] <SebastianTCL> np
[12:11] <Kamilion> any luck getting it to work?
[12:11] <Kamilion> I'm really confused, it's almost like you have a third linux installation controlling grub, not lubuntu.
[12:17] <SebastianTCL> it worked at restoring things back to normal
[12:17] <SebastianTCL> but that was not the original idea
[15:48] <Giles-B> Hello, I've just installed lubuntu on my parents computer and I have what perhaps could be described as screen tearing. (its not in video, things like the firefox search bar etc)
[15:48] <Giles-B> Just random screen artifacts.
[15:49] <adueppen> Giles-B: what graphics card is in it?
[15:50] <Giles-B> Intel 82G33/G31
[15:52] <adueppen> Giles-B: you might need to install the drivers from here: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[15:56] <Giles-B> 01.org?
[15:56] <adueppen> Giles-B: it's the Intel open source website
[15:57] <Giles-B> I will give it a go.
[15:59] <Giles-B> adueppen: Didn't seem very legit, but the website seems to be registered to intel.
[15:59] <adueppen> Giles-B: I found it linked from the Intel website, so it's definitely legit
[16:00] <Giles-B> adueppen: Right you are...Almost clicked that link earlier ;)
[16:01] <adueppen> Giles-B: also make sure that you have 15.10 as other releases don't seem to be supported
[16:01] <Giles-B> You can never be too paranoid....well, actually you can.
[16:02] <Giles-B> Its a fresh install of 15.10
[16:02] <Giles-B> Its intalling the driver now.
[16:06] <Giles-B_> adueppen: Well, it seems "better", but its still doing it.
[16:07] <adueppen> Giles-B_: you might want to ask someone else then or ask in #ubuntu
[16:08] <Giles-B_> adueppen: Thanks for your help.
[16:08] <adueppen> Giles-B_: you
[16:08] <adueppen> 're welcome
[18:38] <Fireburner>  hi there. I just have a little question about pcmanfm settings. What exactely does the optopn_ mount mountable volumes automatically on start-up? Does it in any way alter fstab?
[18:41] <redwolf> Fireburner, I never saw that tag anywhere O.o
[18:51] <Fireburner> Preferences -> Volume Management
[19:22] <redwolf> Fireburner, this one? http://i.stack.imgur.com/ng6ly.png
[19:24] <Fireburner> redwolf, yes; first one
[19:26] <redwolf> I think that options mounts existent disks, generated dynamically in fstab
[19:26] <Fireburner> as I understand this option, it mounts all partitions on pcmanfm startup,that are not already mounted through fstab. Is that true?
[19:26] <redwolf> yes
[19:27] <redwolf> if I don't use that option, my 2nd partition doesn't turn visible
[19:27] <Fireburner> O just do not have any unmounted partition, as all are mounted through fstab, but i was curious what this option will change
[19:27] <redwolf> in my laptop it does it, if I log out and in with it inactive, the 2nd partition is not mounted
[19:27] <Fireburner> not visible in list on left, or not mounted?
[19:27] <redwolf> not mounted, sorry
[19:27] <redwolf> visible in places
[19:28] <Fireburner> okay, thx
[19:28] <redwolf> :)
[19:28] <redwolf> it's what it does with my 2nd partition. I tested right now
[19:28] <Fireburner> okay, good to know
[19:29] <redwolf> :)
[19:29] <Fireburner> but startup refers to pcmanfm startup and not DE startup, right?
[19:30] <ton> I switched to lubuntu and i've changed the desktop preference to show the window manager menu. How do i modify that menu ? (Preferably i'd like to insert a script to generate my own dynamic menu)
[19:31] <redwolf> DE startup
[19:31] <redwolf> or more desktop startup, and that's a library inside PCManFM, a component
[19:32] <Fireburner> okay, I hope I didn't take too much time from you, for checking this ;)
[19:32] <redwolf> ton, you did this? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HP1RP3yKo_g/USiUtFeZ6JI/AAAAAAAAAG0/h6i_8iBCvhY/s1600/snapshot-pcmanfm.png
[19:32] <Fireburner> thx, redwolf
[19:32] <redwolf> don't worry, Fireburner. I'm happy to help here, I'm part of the crew :)
[19:33] <redwolf> ton, if you activated that option, it's openbox who handles the menu
[19:34] <redwolf> they call those dynamic menus "pipe menus": http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Pipemenus
[19:34] <ton> yes, i did. That gave me the right-click menu i like so much. just can't seem to find where to change the menu items :s
[19:34] <redwolf> just google for "openbox pipe menus" and you'll see lots of menus, tutorials and scripts
[19:35] <redwolf> also, you can read this amazing openbox guide: https://urukrama.wordpress.com/openbox-guide/#Menus
[19:37] <ton> thnx, i'll try that one
[19:38] <redwolf> nice :)
[19:44] <ton> run into the same issue as before. apperantly it's not using  ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml to generate the right-click menu. The menu does not match the menu displayed
[19:46] <ton> (the file does not match menu displayed)
[19:49] <redwolf> Lubuntu doesn't use that one, I think
[19:49] <redwolf> try to look for a Lubuntu named folder
[19:49] <redwolf> inside openbox config
[19:49] <redwolf> sorry, ton, I need to be away for a while
[19:50] <wxl> ton: try looking in /etc/xdg?
[19:51] <ton> ok, i'll have a look
[20:01] <ton> it's not /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml either. The file /usr/share/lubuntu/openbox/menu.xml is invoked somehow. that one is a part of the menu
[23:51] <Green> do you recommend installing 14.04 or 15.10?
[23:51] <Green> i want to install on a Gigabyte Brix
[23:52] <Green> i'm experiencing video tearing issues and the displayport output is not working
[23:53] <Green> and wifi disconnects, but that could be a range issue