=== dotpixis is now known as krampuss [00:14] not to just decide if I play it safe and order another 4gb stick with the same part number as the existing 4gb stick, or go ahead and get two new 8gb sticks and quadruple my memory... [00:15] ^_^ [00:15] for an i3 i don't think i'd go all out [00:16] probably smart... [00:17] are you in the SSD club already? [00:17] OerHeks: o/ [00:17] hey hey [00:18] daftykins: no. :/ [00:19] i keep getting the msg that i don't have enough free memory on my /boot partition to install the latest security updates, i've tried clean and autoremove... is there anything else that i can do other then resize my partition? [00:19] krampuss: see the topic, the support happens in #ubuntu - however you'll need to kill some older kernels. [00:21] daftykins: don't have an SSD bay on this laptop, I'd have to replace the HDD completely. [00:21] does the thing have an optical? [00:21] Q [00:22] daftykins: yea, but I need to keep that. [00:22] work stuff and whatnot [00:22] ah ok, so no bay caddy mounting the spinny rust [00:24] ha, nope. I have a 1TB HDD that I've actually considered taking out of the housing and using to replace the 500gb hdd in this laptop... that's possible, right? [00:25] from an external? yep, might be slower though if it was a portable external [00:26] ssd 2.5 inch is equal to a hdd 2.5 ..but the height may vary [00:28] I just remember reading an article of some data storage companies trying to survive a shortage in hard drives, so they went out and bought externals and took 'em outta the casings, then stuck 'em in their servers. [00:29] ah, that was surprisingly easy to find. worth a read whenever you get some spare time: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze_drive_farming/ [00:30] mmm i remember the Thailand drive drought [00:31] LVM .. sometimes lunatic volume maniac [00:34] well, 4gb SO-DIMM ordered. now daftykins has me browsing SSDs out of interest... [00:38] i am a bad person to befriend [00:38] ;D [00:38] that backblaze article was fun! i was teaching back then :> [00:38] lol. >$300 for 1TB SSD. not happening. [00:39] the quick NVMe SSD is-supported check in future. Identifty the SATA controller's device class and if it isn't [0802] as shown by "lspci -nn" the nvme driver won't touch it [00:39] mmm one for the notes! [00:41] plenty of time for a cider before bed i think :> [00:41] then i must pack my tools! [00:42] pack a husk whilst you're at it :) [00:42] husky [00:43] are they good at holding tools, using IDC tools or using network testers? ;) [00:44] they can crimp a cable, I'm sure, if they only had thumbs! [00:45] They're good at lying on tools and making you search for them for 1/2 hour [00:45] :D [00:46] i should share a pic of what i do to the patch panels to make a cheap phone line splitter :P you may get a bit horrified [00:46] Silver 'adopts' things as if they are a puppy and hides them under her chin, very sneaky [00:46] TJ-: better than Golden Retrievers, they hide whole dogs: https://i.imgur.com/1SSVsBH.gif [00:47] Drabber finds screws, nails, buttons and such and presents them to me [00:47] earring [00:47] TJ-: do you like it? ;) http://i.imgur.com/jReL5NY.jpg [00:47] better than my cat... she hoards those things. or pushes them around under furniture. [00:48] daftykins: that is just so wrong! [00:48] XD [00:48] do you really think so? :> [00:49] it lets me put phone lines in on one port then direct them to the 8 sockets around their house with ease [00:49] I hope there's no DSL on those lines [00:49] nah the filtered socket is prior to being put onto this [00:50] this is purely for the post-filter voice use [00:50] the telco aren't doing any customer jobs for months atm so this'll get them going [00:51] cheaper than paying a telco engineer too [00:52] i know it's a dirty hack but i think it's alright ^_^ [00:56] time to get some last-minute shopping done... later. [00:58] oh, that's ok then. I thought the line came into the patch panel [01:00] :D [01:04] my engineer mate calls them the "Home 500s" where it's the NTE5 faceplate with a built in filter module plugged in [01:06] I'm going to head off now, before I get roped into anything else [01:09] :D [01:09] squoo.sh those users, sir! [01:09] me too, i have cider to finish and a bag to pack :> [01:09] nn all \o [01:12] o/ [03:19] leave Nighty nite all [03:19] Any operators in here? [03:33] * slidinghorn wonders how Tarminquay hasnt been ban-hammered yet [06:17] good morning to all [06:18] Good morning! [06:21] nicomachus: join squoo :p [06:25] is sqoo a channel already? [09:48] cfhowlett: it was a better time... [09:48] :) [09:48] i miss !work [09:48] ah well, hey, early Happy Xmas and enjoy an eggnog for me. Looked high and low but not be found in BJ. [09:49] coming down with a cold today :( [09:49] 70F in here, wearing a blanket at my desk [09:51] Ben64, my go to cure: slow boil some sliced ginger until the water turns tan. pour into a glass. squeeze a fresh lemon or 2 in there. add alcoholic libation for flavoring. enjoy. [09:52] i'll give it a shot [09:52] going to vegas on saturday, i'll need to at least act like i'm ok [09:53] i get sick about once a year around this time, like clockwork [09:53] same here, although it's been twice a year because China ... [09:53] :( [09:54] why are you there [09:54] teaching [09:54] oh thats cool [13:05] Howdy folks [13:38] TJ-: how are you saying you came up with this man? [13:39] it's pretty dispicable [13:39] EriC^^: ? [13:39] you came up with the idea of using a pastebin to stream a live terminal? [13:40] EriC^^: no, I first used the bsdutils /usr/bin/script to completely capture shell sessions for replay [13:40] oh wow [13:40] lol [13:40] then at some point i figured out (i think due to the 'script' man-page) that it can write into a FIFO [13:40] ok that's what it's for anyways [13:40] TJ-: i think you have memory issues [13:41] let me refresh your mind and maybe soul [13:41] so then I wondered if it were posssible to harness BASH's pseudo TCP/UDP sockets to feed that to some remote location, without needing some special tool installed [13:42] I've used BASH's pseudo sockets for ages to send stuff around, but it was only recently the idea for linking that to 'script' occurred [13:43] EriC^^> the other day i found a cool pastebin, | nc cwillu.com 10101 , the cool thing is that all the pastes are on the same link, so the user doesn't have to keep copying links each time [13:44] EriC^^> so i was thinking it would be cool if whenever the user ran a command someone gave him, it just automatically pasted it or something [13:44] EriC^^> so i came up with this, script -f /tmp/bla , and in another window tail -f /tmp/bla | nc cwillu.com , you get the user's terminal in real-time, even if he doesn't press enter [13:44] TJ-> I'll write a similar but live system for my server next week, so Javascript can do JSON calls to fetch the latest data [13:44]

we can use that for support, and add features to it to make it simple [13:45] recently TJ- the idea to linking it to script occurred? or i told you about it? i even told daftykins about it the day before to see his opinion whether the ubuntu regs would be willing to use it [13:45] EriC^^: right, I've used all the components in various ways for a long time, but never put it all together as a single automated solution. [13:45] he said users might complain about privacy, so i thought to ask again the next day, before going further with the idea [13:46] yeah well whatever [13:46] that doesn't mean you came up with the idea or the working concept [13:46] For example, I write up my experiences on my own systems by doing all the work with 'script' to capture the shell session and I feed it directly to my wiki server, then later I go through the capture and trim it down to just the bits that work and insert it into the wiki pages [13:47] EriC^^: Errr, I never claimed I did [13:47] lol [13:47] I just said where I first came across using 'script' [13:48] what do you say when somebody asks you about who came up with the idea, and you say i'e used this for years [13:48] huh? [13:48] I have used script for years [13:49] i know that's not the point [13:49] ok, you're going to pretend to be stupid [13:49] and think you're being pedantic and stuff [13:49] I think you're needlessly conflating two separate things. No one has asked about the streaming terminal [13:50] actually 2 have asked [13:50] my focus has been on making the streaming terminal work with just a shell and no additional tools on the client side [13:51] anyways, it's up to you [13:51] if you want somebody asking about this [13:52] and you say 'well i've used script for years' [13:52] it's just messed up of you [13:52] lets make this all work together guys [13:52] and really you're giving the FOSS a really ugly role-model [13:55] EriC^^: squoo.sh is much much more than the streaming shell to me; that's a minor but useful part. The major part for me is the self-diagnostic and repair tooling, and the accurate version-specific knowledge base [13:55] TJ-: i know [13:55] and i've my own plans [13:55] i've already wanted to make a service that collects logs automatically [13:56] Ubuntu used to have it but it got dropped [13:56] and i also have a program i've finished a couple months ago, that does uefi troubleshooting and grub and switching files etc. [13:56] the idea is that i wanted to take input from the community [13:56] and obviously you liked the idea, fine great [13:57] then you're not taking any input from me around it, and i was the one who showed it to you guys for input [13:57] EriC^^: TJ- added you to the ops before i even found the channel, so means he wants to work with you right [13:57] then people are asking about it and you don't mention me, nor on the website anywhere [13:58] EriC^^: I didn't realise you were doing that, not conciously anyhow, even if we've talked coding at times. [13:59] i dont have a problem if you want to make a site [13:59] EriC^^: and, as for the web-site, right now it's a quick set of holding pages to just have something up there. My intention has always been to have it credit everyone who wants their name on it fully, in fact, once I've written the code I rather hope othes will managed the content [14:00] EriC^^: it would obviously be a useful additional to a portfolio for people who contribute [14:02] EriC^^: I've been considering doing this for at least three years but held back since I cannot do it alone; when the -discuss grouping started to 'gel' in the last few months it pushed me into commiting some time and effort to make it happen [14:14] TJ-: ok, you want to make a certain something, and i want to make a certain something, i've no problem with you going ahead with your site/pastebin, just if somebody asks how you came up with the idea for a live terminal, i'd appreciate you not saying 'ive used script for years' and mentioning me, it's up to you though [14:15] i've completed my own site, it's bash <(curl -s openterm.tk) , you're welcome to use it to help others on ubuntu and anywhere else [14:16] i'll be adding the grub/uefi troubleshooting program, if you do want to use it ( if you do ), please keep the name of who wrote it, and mention in any credits [14:24] EriC^^: how does it work exactly? [14:56] how does what work? [14:57] EriC^^: your site, to solve issues on users [14:58] EriC^^: tried curl -s openterm.tk from terminal but pastes the site [14:58] try it [14:58] lotuspsychje: type bash <(curl -s openterm.tk) [14:58] ah kk [14:59] httpL//openterm.tk/6ibc [14:59] i chose number 1 ( login loop issue ) [14:59] EriC^^: cool! http://openterm.tk/btb7/ [14:59] :D [15:00] *http://openterm/6ibc [15:02] lol [15:05] i'll add a lot more stuff later [15:05] EriC^^: nice, testing graphics [15:06] http://openterm.tk/ro5r [15:08] space http://openterm.tk/1afl [15:11] i need to work on the pastebin code more [15:12] EriC^^: looks pretty nice already [15:12] type echo Live terminal: , in the terminal when that happens [15:12] it searches for that to start the live terminal below and misses it sometimes [15:13] if you type a few of them it should start it [15:15] EriC^^: very usefull to use on users [15:15] yeah [15:17] EriC^^: this can be used already in the field safely right? [15:17] yeah [15:17] nice nice [15:17] i'm hesitant to put the uefi program though as a bug could delete files or whatnot [15:18] yeah might be dangerous [15:18] it's pretty neat, it searches your whole pc for installations, finds them, mounts everything, looks for a lot of uefi mbr gpt etc related stuff ( basically most of the stuff i've come across while helping in the channel ) [15:18] cool [15:19] then you get a menu and you can reinstall grub, or troubleshoot uefi, switch the efi files, revert them back etc. [15:19] EriC^^: sounds pretty high tech [15:20] it's like 1200lines of code it uses system() though as i didn't know much c when i started writing it like last year, been adding a feature every time i dont have traffic for internet it's pretty done since a couple months though [15:21] EriC^^: nice [15:22] http://openterm.tk/e0n7 [15:22] i'll show you it [15:22] let me know when you open the page and if you can see stuff [15:22] bla [15:22] ok cool [15:23] you can say no, and it'll keep checking for other installations [15:23] EriC^^: is this my system or yours? [15:23] checks for a bunch of mismatches and stuff, then it found that i have a msdos partition table disk [15:24] so it's asking if this is another hdd with windows or something, or just like a data drive [15:24] ( cause i'm using uefi on my system ) [15:24] yeah it's my pc [15:24] ah [15:24] anyways now it's in, you can press 6 to get a chroot [15:25] or troubleshoot uefi or switch the efi files or revert them back to microsoft ones [15:25] EriC^^: so a live terminal, can be viewed both sides, helper and user [15:25] yeah [15:25] thats crazy [15:26] the live terminal? [15:26] you mean crazy good idea ? [15:26] yeah like it, yeah crazy good [15:27] so helper can follow the users steps [15:27] yeah [15:27] brb [15:36] back [15:39] EriC^^: does the 4 graphics show wich nvidia driver version is installed exactly or latency [15:40] EriC^^: i got ati, so cant check http://openterm.tk/mcs0/ [15:40] lotuspsychje: it's supposed to do dpkg -l | grep "nvidia\|fglrx" at some point [15:40] EriC^^: you have nvidia? [15:41] nope amd too [15:41] kk [15:41] EriC^^: im asking this because we have many issues on nvidia-352 lately [15:41] oh [15:42] EriC^^: so exact version would be very nice, instead of poking the user to check additional drivers [15:42] exact version of the driver? like nvidia-352..etc ? [15:42] yeah [15:43] !info nvidia-352 [15:43] nvidia-352 (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-352): NVIDIA binary driver - version 352.63. In component restricted, is optional. Version 352.63-0ubuntu0.15.04.1 (vivid), package size 32631 kB, installed size 149224 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; armhf) [15:43] or nvidia-346 etc [15:43] it should show up below the xorg stuff right before the headers i think [15:43] EriC^^: handy for optimus cards etc [15:43] ok [15:44] it says you have nouveau installed? [15:44] EriC^^: Kernel driver in use: radeon [15:44] ati card here [15:44] the package though [15:44] ii xserver-xorg-video-nouveau [15:45] or that's standard? [15:45] EriC^^: but for nvidia, sudo lshw -C video shows us nvidia=latency or something [15:45] i have it too [15:45] EriC^^: instead of right nvidia-352 [15:45] aha [15:45] i see [15:46] so not sure howto call right driver version in use [15:46] on vidia [15:46] ubuntu-drivers is more a list of all right? [15:46] yeah [15:50] i added lshw -C video [15:50] need to remove the warning message though [15:50] i didn't use sudo, cause the less sudo the better i guess [15:50] yeah [15:51] just the grub/hdd issues need sudo to get the data, and there's a message about it and stuff [15:52] EriC^^: but with nvidia it will show nvidia=latency [15:52] i'll put lshw to the top below the ubuntu-drivers stuff [15:52] im looking up howto find right nvidia version [15:52] lotuspsychje: "cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/driver/module/version" - not hard to map the PCI/e device to the card* node [15:53] TJ-: that will show the right module in use? [15:55] maybe something like this? $ nvidia-settings -q NvidiaDriverVersion [15:56] I generally try to avoid relying on any optional/maybe-not-working tools, and sysfs is guaranteed to contain the info provided the system isn't totally broken [15:56] yeah [15:57] good thinking [15:59] e.g. use "readlink " or "ls -l" on "readlink /sys/class/drm/card0/device/driver" and you get "../../../../bus/pci/drivers/nvidia" [16:00] TJ-: but will that show nvidia module or nvidia-352 specific? [16:03] " X=0; D=$(readlink /sys/class/drm/card${X}/device/driver); V=$(cat /sys/class/drm/card${X}/device/driver/module/version); echo "$X ${D##*/} $V" " [16:03] ==> "0 nvidia 340.96" [16:03] TJ-: cool! [16:04] you guys add that stuff :p [16:04] if you change the way the variables are extracted at the end of that line to be "... ${D##*/}-${V%%.*}" then you'll get "0 nvidia-340" [16:06] those ## and %% are shell constructs that strip leading, or trailing, text that matches the pattern (so ##*/ strins all leading text up to and include the last "/" whereas %%.* strips all text from the end, back to the first "." - they aren't regular expressions, just shell wildcard matchining [16:07] ##*/ is routinely used to extract the filename from a variable containing a full path [16:07] same as the 'basename' command does [16:07] TJ-: cool [16:10] EriC^^: openterm, from cfhowlett nvidia: http://openterm.tk/qwv1 [16:11] but with performance mode disabled [16:12] so i wonder if it would show nvidia-352 if enabled [16:19] sometimes I wonder how some of these users managed to boot their computer and find IRC... [16:20] nicomachus: lol [16:20] then I remember where I was 2 years ago. [16:21] nicomachus: i think they install gentoo from scratch to hop on irc and ask about ubuntu issues just for play :p [16:22] I'm all for removing #ubuntu from the default irc just so they have the experience of actually thinking before typing [16:22] lol [16:22] find the right support channel [16:23] actually not a bad idea [16:23] so the real users only find their way in [16:23] where is it default? [16:24] #ubuntu [16:25] yea but what client actually has #ubuntu as a default autojoin channel? [16:25] nicomachus: its freenode that autojoins to #ubuntu [16:25] i think [16:28] hmm irssi doesnt auto join [16:28] nicomachus: maybe a hexchat thing then [16:30] hi OerHeks [16:30] new isp? [16:32] no, setting up, brb [16:38] bbl souper [17:28] re [17:30] hi [17:30] hey pauljw [17:31] :) [17:31] pauljw: did you last xmass shopping already? [17:32] :) we don't celebrate [17:32] ah kk [17:32] * nicomachus ordered earrings for his mother from overstock on Thursday, Dec. 17th and paid for 2 day shipping... they are scheduled to arrive Saturday, Dec. 26th [17:32] * nicomachus grumbles... [17:32] nicomachus: ouch.. [17:32] that's too bad [17:33] wb OerHeks [17:36] nicomachus, one of the best things about moms is there understanding... [17:36] their even [17:37] yea... she is. still ticked at Overstock for waiting 4 days to ship out the item. [17:37] no doubt [17:37] online shopping is Hot this year [17:38] but the poor delivery guys...overtimes [17:38] they get paid well to do it... [17:38] one uk delivery guy throwed the package on the roof lol [17:38] pauljw: true that [17:39] maybe not in the UK huh? [17:39] lol [17:40] the problem always starts when someone not home.. [17:40] taking back the package is more work... [17:40] yeah, we've had a rash of package thefts in the states [17:41] pauljw: how they steal? [17:41] follow the delivery trucks and then run onto property and take the packages [17:41] wow [17:42] then sell items on ebay... [17:43] ugh. Overstock is trying to blame the post office.... what idiots. [17:43] oO [17:44] got my $10 for shipping refunded, though, and told them in a not-so-nice way that I'll never buy from them again, so there's that. [17:57] anyone want an ubuntu xmass present: http://news.softpedia.com/news/there-are-probably-more-than-1-billion-ubuntu-users-canonical-lead-explains-498035.shtml [18:00] 1 billion ... sure [18:00] :p [18:00] OerHeks: its from canonical :p [18:08] EriC^^: wb [18:10] * lotuspsychje is drinking shots [18:10] thanks [18:11] trying to watch a movie, keeps buffering though [18:11] http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/git-vulnerability-founds-and-fixes-in-all-supported-ubuntu-oses-498042.shtml [18:11] EriC^^: vlc or tv? [18:11] movienight.ws [18:12] speed issues over internet>? [18:12] it was working perfectly, recently last movie i tried didnt, and this is buffering alot too [18:12] hmm i think their server is overloaded maybe [18:13] yeah [18:14] hows the driving going? [18:14] EriC^^: didnt exercise since last time [18:15] EriC^^: hmm steve jobs playing smooth here [18:16] hi team! [18:16] hey daftykins [18:16] hi daftykins [18:16] cor long day today [18:17] ended up at a second place crawling through between a roof and walls to lay a network cable :> [18:17] lol [18:17] lotuspsychje: try in the middle of the sea [18:17] EriC^^: ok [18:18] daftykins: so you're covered in cobwebs? [18:18] yep! straight in the shower once i got in [18:18] they're quite the heavy smokers at that clients too, so i smell quite off on getting home :P [18:19] EriC^^: working, but on vdsl2 30mbit here [18:19] oh ok, thanks [18:19] annoyingly i put that nvidia GT 610 into a desktop PC there and yet i couldn't get it to drive that 27" HDMI display after a reboot =| it'd come up blank! [18:20] daftykins: including POST? [18:21] it'd always POST on the large display over HDMI just fine, but it'd boot in and be blank to the HDMI with this custom resolution of 2560x1440 and timing method of CVTrb that i had to force in the nvidia settings, to get it to run that high res [18:21] daftykins: linux or win? [18:21] Windows 7 [18:22] the secondary display is a 1280x1024 LCD over VGA, it'd display fine on reboot whilst the main HDMI was blank... yet the mouse pointer would be invisible! [18:22] i even tried two totally separate driver versions to be sure it wasn't a quirk there [18:22] sounds like an incorrect modeline [18:22] my plan is to take along a dual-link DVI cable to try, to rule out the HDMI having a quirk [18:22] has to wait 'til new year now though! :( [18:23] !info firefox xenial [18:23] i had to dig into the nvidia settings on my own windows desktop to drive that thing too, but it didn't have issues on reboot [18:23] firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 42.0+build2-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 43117 kB, installed size 103047 kB [18:23] when in doubt I'd configure things for a text-mode start, no graphical modes (GRUB_TERMINAL=console and 'nomodeset') [18:24] nicomachus: seems like 42 on xenial hmmzz [18:24] TJ-: its' auto detect thinks it's a 1920x1080 panel, that comes up just fine [18:24] i didn't have any of my Linux flash drives with me as it goes, wouldn't hurt to have seen what that would do [18:25] daftykins: I'd trust auto-detect if there's an EDID - on some large-screens the EDID can vary based on which input is connected [18:26] TJ-: it seems that haswell based laptop i got him likes it just fine, but both my windows desktops nvidia GTX 560Ti and his new GT 610 require the timing mode to be adjusted and the resolution specified specifically [18:26] daftykins: as in different modes are available per-input. I've seen VGA analogue offer higher resolutions than the HDMI/DVI inputs, since those are set up for only HD modes [18:27] my understand was that VGA's max is 2048x1536 though? [18:27] *understanding [18:29] On VGA/XGA it depends on the CTRC (timing circuits) some can do 2560x2048 [18:29] s/CTRC/CRTC/ [18:29] hrmm, digital would definitely be preferable though [18:29] it could be the GPU cannot generate the modeline timings you asked for, if you know they work for the monitor [18:30] the card has one each of VGA, Dual-link DVI and HDMI - with the desire to run two displays [18:30] yeah after booting into the freshly installed driver with VGA: 1280x1024 HDMI: 1920x1080... i could set the manual mode to the HDMI to end up at 2560x1440, it just couldn't survive Windows rebooting [18:32] did you try a Linux Live boot and check the xrandr offerings on the output? [18:32] nah, had none on me sadly - this was more of a tack-on to the day so wasn't quite so prepared [18:32] the cabling jobs were the priority [18:33] It likely does require the dual-link DVI rather than HDMI [18:33] sounds like i'm running it too high for HDMI and that DVI would be fine, based on my googling [18:33] ja :D [18:33] ahh, I have one of those small keyring-style devices I carry for instant diags [18:33] must be just slightly too old [18:33] mmm i normally have my bag loaded up with all my collection of OSs but foolishly not, today [18:34] always happens that way :D [18:34] http://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-NVIDIA/GeForce_GT_610.html <-- mmm site confirms some specs there, max HDMI 1920x1200 [18:35] yes, that makes perfect sense [18:35] so odd it can do that high res incidentally, but not at boot [18:35] hard to say there won't be other complications though, i guess [18:36] but does it drive at max res at boot-time? usually boot-time is pure VGA [18:36] does the monitor OSD report the modes as they change? [18:37] quirkily you can see the backlight engage, the OSD shows it's receiving 2560x1440@60Hz, but the image never changes from blank [18:37] the lights are on but no-one's home ;) [18:38] ahhh, so it receives the mode but the GPU can't stuff the data down the pipes [18:39] after a few seconds you see it blank, the backlight goes off and the power-save OSD comes up... then it re-engages still blank [18:39] i think it causes the nvidia display driver to have some real issues too, hence the invisible mouse pointer and inability for it to correct itself when unplugging the HDMI [18:39] must be trying to 'overclock' it to some extent [18:40] i wonder if it'd work @ 30Hz :) [18:40]