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| stochastix | is there a ubuntu phone that lets you run a full ubuntu on it yet? | 03:18 |
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| RAOF | If you've got a nexus 4 you can test out the development code... | 03:24 |
| duflu | stochastix: If you've got a Nexus 4 then you can try Ubuntu out on that. Otherwise the other devices for sale (in some regions) are http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices | 03:26 |
| duflu | I think Nexus 5 might also work | 03:27 |
| stochastix | the phones like the MX4 can run a full ububtu on it, or just ubuntu touch? | 03:29 |
| RAOF | What do you mean by full Ubuntu? You *can* run X apps and such (in the development code), but there's no hardware for driving an external display so it's not useful (or enabled). | 03:32 |
| stochastix | RAOF: Well, I mean like do a normal install of ubuntu on it, or perhaps be able to add repos and run most of the programs that you can run in the normal ubuntu distro? | 03:34 |
| RAOF | You can't do a normal install of Ubuntu onto it. Among other things, how would you get it there? :) | 03:34 |
| RAOF | But you can run approximately whatever you like on the phone, as long as it doesn't use X :) | 03:35 |
| RAOF | Ubuntu Touch is built from the same repositories that all the other Ubuntu flavours are. | 03:35 |
| stochastix | neat, so you can run all of the same console apps i take it? | 03:35 |
| stochastix | Are there plans to enable the ability to have app that use X be useable? | 03:36 |
| RAOF | Roughly. You *can* use apt on it, but it's not a great idea; it can interfere with system image updates and the appstore-like click packages. | 03:37 |
| stochastix | Regardung how you get it on there, it would seem people find ways lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx9IowNSEUw | 03:37 |
| RAOF | As we say, if you've got an Nexus 4 there's a PPA with builds of everything that will bring up a desktopish on your external display. | 03:38 |
| duflu | stochastix: Yes there is a terminal app. And with some effort you can enable ssh too. X app support is coming soon. Although the first usable version of Xmir on phones will be no sooner than xenial (16.04) | 03:38 |
| stochastix | For example people are runing kali, and arch and ubuntu on android phones. | 03:38 |
| stochastix | but you need to root the phone. | 03:38 |
| duflu | Yes, you do need to root the phone if you bring your own (not buying a new one) | 03:39 |
| stochastix | I figured a with a phone sofware made by ubuntu, things would be more suitable to being able to get whatever you want running on it. | 03:39 |
| stochastix | or at least plans to allow people to run their favorite apps like wireshark and other things for example. | 03:40 |
| duflu | stochastix: Yes people are running wireshark now. Although unsupported. | 03:41 |
| duflu | Running, or trying to run wireshark | 03:41 |
| duflu | I saw a bug report somewhere | 03:41 |
| duflu | The challenge there is the graphics. We're still working on official support for launching X apps nicely | 03:42 |
| stochastix | Doesnt it make things easier for the ubuntu phone to catch on if they find a way to support navie X apps to excite people and relieve some pressure on not having a huge app store with remade apps like vlc and wireshark and all of the popular things people may want? | 03:43 |
| duflu | Although I think in many cases you will find proper touch apps are more appropriate for a phone. | 03:43 |
| duflu | stochastix: Yep, X app support is coming. Still some bits being polished | 03:44 |
| stochastix | ohh, sweet, ok that is what Im talkin bout woohoo | 03:44 |
| stochastix | nice | 03:44 |
| stochastix | That crap will be flying off the shelves when that happens. | 03:45 |
| duflu | Many X apps are only *nice* to use with a mouse/keyboard though (which you can also use). Not all are controllable with just touch. | 03:45 |
| duflu | Although you can try | 03:45 |
| RAOF | Fewer still work nicely on a 4" screen :) | 03:46 |
| duflu | Yeah pixels are small. And buttons often too small to hit with a finger | 03:46 |
| duflu | So native touch apps are better for fingers | 03:46 |
| duflu | But Ubuntu Phone will also support external screens and USB/Bluetooth mouse+keyboard | 03:47 |
| duflu | It was very satisfying when I first ran Firefox and Chromium on the phone, till I realized I could not control them with a finger. | 03:48 |
| duflu | Yet. | 03:49 |
| stochastix | zactly, external screen and BT keyboard. | 03:52 |
| stochastix | yea, you have to zoom way in , then zoom out , then zoom in etc | 03:53 |
| muka | is there a way to list channels not using: 'ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=mako'? | 03:54 |
| stochastix | duflu: a lot of great programs are gui fronts to a great backend. Even being able to just port GUis that use the same polished backends is a good thing to have? | 03:56 |
| duflu | stochastix: Correct. And we have Mir-native ports of Qt/QML, GTK and SDL for that | 04:04 |
| muka | I tried this command: system-image-cli --list-channels -d mako but no output. | 04:19 |
| muka | if I: sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu, does not change channel. Can someone help? This command used to work 6-8 months ago. | 04:31 |
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| messenjah | so. moin. | 05:04 |
| Mohanraj | HI All ... like to port ubuntu touch on phone device...where i can download source code and guideline to generate boot images | 09:03 |
| pdq_ | !devices | 09:04 |
| ubot5 | You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 09:04 |
| myrmidon | Regarding terminal apps, I can't seem to run many on my e4.5 | 11:45 |
| myrmidon | no nmap etc, even Sailfish has nmap and a much more free-er normal terminal function | 11:45 |
| myrmidon | is there a safer way to add terminal apps via some similar ppa type method on UT? | 11:46 |
| myrmidon | if it's running the same Ubuntu as my laptop after all....... | 11:46 |
| t1mp | myrmidon: if you enable read-write mode you can use apt-get to install nmap | 11:50 |
| t1mp | myrmidon: see how to enable read-write here http://askubuntu.com/questions/380258/how-to-change-the-ubuntu-installation-to-read-write-mode-on-a-mobile-device (and don't ignore all the warnings on that page) | 11:53 |
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| jontheniceguy | Hello! I have a few short hours available to me today, and I thought I'd make a start at looking to port Ubuntu Touch to the tf300t. The old instructions (the last time I took a look at this a year-or-so ago) referenced Cyanogenmod a lot in it's documentation, but I can't see how to pull the binary blobs any more. I've had a look in the Cyanogenmod wiki, which suggests running a command called "breakfast" but I'm not seeing | 12:45 |
| muka | Does anyone know if usb tethering works on any of the current images? I tried stable and rc and tethering is not working. | 12:50 |
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| Guest94864 | did nay one try installing ubuntu touch on google nexus 5 ? | 15:09 |
| msucles | hi | 15:10 |
| msucles | did any one try installing ubutnu touch on google nexus 5?? | 15:10 |
| lotuspsychje | !devices | msucles | 15:10 |
| ubot5 | msucles: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 15:10 |
| msucles | thank you | 15:11 |
| msucles | I know tht | 15:11 |
| msucles | I have installed ubuntu touch by following the instructions on wiki | 15:12 |
| msucles | but I am having some problems after installation | 15:12 |
| kenvandine | msucles, i know dobey uses a nexus 5 | 15:16 |
| dobey | yes i use ubuntu on my nexus5 | 15:35 |
| dobey | msucles: ^^ | 15:36 |
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| msucles | dear dobey | 15:39 |
| msucles | thank you for responding | 15:39 |
| msucles | actually after installing ubuntu touch on my nexus 5 | 15:39 |
| msucles | I have his broken packages problem | 15:40 |
| msucles | it says held broken packaes | 15:40 |
| msucles | any idea about how to fix it. I really appreciate your help | 15:40 |
| dobey | yeah. don't make the phone writable, and don't use apt-get to try to upgrade it | 15:45 |
| dobey | create a chroot like described in the askubuntu link i already gave you | 15:45 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, hi, did you recently fix something in settings network detection, or was there a fix in qt? | 16:01 |
| awe_ | pmcgowan, the latter | 16:02 |
| awe_ | pmcgowan, the ota8.5 dbus fix to qt would crash when installed on desktop | 16:03 |
| awe_ | because of a null ptr when dealing with wired devices | 16:03 |
| pmcgowan | ok, just repro'd an issue | 16:03 |
| awe_ | this was fixed post 8.5 | 16:03 |
| pmcgowan | where we dont switch from wifi to 3g | 16:03 |
| pmcgowan | or something | 16:03 |
| awe_ | it also hit someone on the phone using USB ethernet | 16:03 |
| pmcgowan | right this a different one | 16:04 |
| awe_ | pmcgowan, what device? | 16:04 |
| pmcgowan | all afaict | 16:04 |
| awe_ | is there a bug? | 16:04 |
| pmcgowan | at least settings spins looking for updates | 16:04 |
| pmcgowan | just entering | 16:04 |
| awe_ | ugh | 16:04 |
| pmcgowan | just checking tat I coud see it in proposed and I can | 16:05 |
| awe_ | when we QA an OTA, do we verify that updates still work via staging? | 16:05 |
| awe_ | of some sort... | 16:05 |
| pmcgowan | yes afaik | 16:05 |
| awe_ | stable or rc-proposed? | 16:06 |
| pmcgowan | both, thats what I was just verifying | 16:06 |
| pmcgowan | if you lose wifi after boot, settings is confused | 16:07 |
| awe_ | ok, is there a full description of the problem anywhere? | 16:07 |
| pmcgowan | but browser works | 16:07 |
| pmcgowan | entering now one sec | 16:07 |
| awe_ | what do you mean by lose wifi? | 16:07 |
| pmcgowan | awe_, turn it off or otherwise lose connection | 16:08 |
| pmcgowan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1528886 | 16:08 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1528886 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Checking for updates never finishes" [Undecided,New] | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | ugh | 16:12 |
| kenvandine | pmcgowan, when you saw 'Connect to the Internet ...' that was the connectivity api telling us there was no network connection | 16:14 |
| kenvandine | so the indicator didn't think you had network | 16:14 |
| kenvandine | it should be killing the check when the network goes away | 16:15 |
| kenvandine | but in your case the network is just changing | 16:16 |
| kenvandine | pmcgowan, i've noticed similar problems in the dash | 16:17 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, but indicator is shoing data | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | we aren't very resilient to network changes | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 16:17 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, what else goes though qnetwork? | 16:18 |
| pmcgowan | the browser works | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | but they API must have said you were offline, to show the connect to internet label | 16:18 |
| pmcgowan | I think we have like 10 variations of this bug | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | and the connectivity api service is provided by the indicator | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | we do | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | i've fixed some of the cases in settings | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | like if you aren't online, we don't even attempt to check | 16:18 |
| pmcgowan | but how ca the indicator show the connect icon and report no network? | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | and if you go offline we kill off existing checks | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | i think there are bugs :) | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | but that's not the same bug... | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | i think you hit more than one bug there :) | 16:19 |
| awe_ | kenvandine, does system settings use connectivity API or Qt? | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | to show the label "Connect to internet..." we use the connectivity API | 16:20 |
| awe_ | pmcgowan, because we have different code using different methods of querying the network | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | but that's the only place | 16:20 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, so it seems it got a different answer depending | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | we have a QNetworkAccessManager for dealing with the actual check | 16:20 |
| awe_ | pmcgowan, I don't see "Connect to the network" in yoru bug | 16:20 |
| pmcgowan | awe_, I got it 1 out of 5 times | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | One time I saw | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | Connect to the Internet ... | 16:21 |
| pmcgowan | the others hung or showed the correct answer | 16:21 |
| pmcgowan | its all over the place | 16:21 |
| awe_ | got it | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | so that was a different bug... when the connectivity api reported offline when it shouldn't have | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | anyway | 16:21 |
| pmcgowan | it acts like its just really slow | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | the other cases are coming from Qt or our platform stuff | 16:22 |
| pmcgowan | so usually in hangs, and once it finished | 16:22 |
| awe_ | kenvandine, I'm going to put this bug on the agenda for our network/telephony meeting post new year | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | so when the network changes under the covers on it | 16:22 |
| awe_ | and invite you to the meeting | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | awe_, thx | 16:22 |
| pmcgowan | thanks gents | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | we make the network request to do the check | 16:22 |
| awe_ | pete-woods is usually in attendance | 16:22 |
| pmcgowan | the mailing list inspired me to repro it | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | and if wifi gets turned off | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | the request doesn't see it as going offline, etc | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | because technically routing should just have changed | 16:22 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, in this case it is online, and it seems to just be really slow | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | pmcgowan, you can repro the same thing in the dash | 16:23 |
| pmcgowan | ah | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | start to load the click store | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | and quickly turn off wifi | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | it seems to never finish | 16:23 |
| awe_ | kenvandine, so is this a connectivity api bug, or a Qt bug? | 16:23 |
| awe_ | or both? | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | different bugs :) | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | the connectivity api bug is hard to repro | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | but there are times where it reports offline when the icon says it's connected | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | but hard to repro... | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | the other issue is easy to repro | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | i think in any of the scopes that use data | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | and in settings | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | if it's actively waiting for a request to finish | 16:25 |
| kenvandine | and the network changes, like wifi -> mobile data | 16:25 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, but | 16:25 |
| kenvandine | it loses it's mind | 16:25 |
| pmcgowan | I dont make the request until the network switched | 16:25 |
| pmcgowan | so now it works | 16:26 |
| pmcgowan | hmm | 16:26 |
| ahayzen | Hi, anyone else noticed it takes two taps to dismiss the launcher on rc-proposed now ? | 16:26 |
| awe_ | pmcgowan, I'll try and reproduce and add some comments from my POV | 16:26 |
| kenvandine | pmcgowan, that might be a harder case to repro | 16:27 |
| pmcgowan | awe_, one phone works one still spins, who knows | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | maybe the qnam instance might not be getting updated | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | but it's not hard to reproduce the issue where you turn off wifi right after starting a check | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | or after starting a search in the dash/scopes | 16:27 |
| pmcgowan | ahayzen, thats probably the activeapp bug | 16:29 |
| awe_ | pmcgowan, kenvandine, any other bugs I should add to that meeting agenda? | 16:30 |
| ahayzen | pmcgowan, ah ok :-) have you got a bug number so i can track it? | 16:30 |
| awe_ | ie. the dash/scopes? | 16:30 |
| pmcgowan | one sec | 16:30 |
| ahayzen | thanks | 16:31 |
| pmcgowan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu/+bug/1528668 | 16:31 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1528668 in qtubuntu (Ubuntu) "[regression] Qt.application.active not working correctly" [Critical,In progress] | 16:31 |
| ahayzen | thanks pmcgowan :-) | 16:31 |
| awe_ | kenvandine, I've added you to the meeting invite for the thu after the new years; and noted the agenda topic | 16:31 |
| kenvandine | awe_, no, that's it | 16:31 |
| kenvandine | thx | 16:31 |
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| pmcgowan | ahayzen, that may be a different bug since it happens on the lock screen too, we'll see | 16:55 |
| ahayzen | pmcgowan, i commented on the bug you linked, so hopefully someone will be able to figure it out :-) | 16:56 |
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| discgolf | Is this the correct place to ask questions about building Ubuntu Touch from the source? | 18:39 |
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| slifeet | Are there any updated guides on starting the process for a currently unsupported phone? | 20:48 |
| muka | Since usb tethering is not working, I was thinking to get older image. How can I do that? I have mako rc channel. | 21:03 |
| vandenoever | muka: perhaps usb tethering can be fixed? i'm using hotspot now, but tethering would be great | 21:23 |
| muka | vandenoever, is it mako/nexus4? | 21:24 |
| muka | If I would switch from ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu to ubuntu-touch/rc/meizu.en, would it brick the phone? | 21:29 |
| vandenoever | muka: i'm on mx4 with ota 8.5 | 21:30 |
| the_map | ping? | 21:32 |
| the_map | is it possible to install Ubuntu on a phone, or do I have to buy a Ubuntu phone? | 21:33 |
| vandenoever | t | 21:34 |
| vandenoever | the_map: some models support installing it yourself | 21:34 |
| the_map | models of phone? | 21:35 |
| sdk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 21:36 |
| the_map | doesn't look like my phone is supported | 21:39 |
| the_map | thanks for the help vandenoever and sdk | 21:39 |
| sdk | no prob | 21:39 |
| discgolf | Has anyone tried to build Ubuntu Touch reciently? I am getting a build error (missing "pause" function in "MediaRecorderClient"). | 21:50 |
| ryanleesipes | Hey guys, I've got a bit of an error that seems to relate to compiling for ARM: | 23:06 |
| ryanleesipes | CMakeLists.txt:1: error: The CMAKE_C_COMPILER: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc is not a full path to an existing compiler tool. Tell CMake where to find the compiler by setting either the environment variable "CC" or the CMake cache entry CMAKE_C_COMPILER to the full path to the compiler, or to the compiler name if it is in the PATH. | 23:06 |
| ryanleesipes | And: | 23:07 |
| ryanleesipes | CMakeLists.txt:1: error: The CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++ is not a full path to an existing compiler tool. Tell CMake where to find the compiler by setting either the environment variable "CXX" or the CMake cache entry CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to the full path to the compiler, or to the compiler name if it is in the PATH. | 23:07 |
| ryanleesipes | Anyone else seen this after a fresh install? | 23:07 |
| Elleo | mhall119: if you're still around and it's not too much trouble would it be possible to update the docs on developer.ubuntu.com for the new UDM version? | 23:43 |
| Elleo | mhall119: just making a quick post about all the new stuff and realised we haven't updated the docs | 23:43 |
| Elleo | mhall119: or does that need to wait until it's actually released in OTA-9? | 23:43 |
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