[03:18] <stochastix> is there a ubuntu phone that lets you run a full ubuntu on it yet?
[03:24] <RAOF> If you've got a nexus 4 you can test out the development code...
[03:26] <duflu> stochastix: If you've got a Nexus 4 then you can try Ubuntu out on that. Otherwise the other devices for sale (in some regions) are http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices
[03:27] <duflu> I think Nexus 5 might also work
[03:29] <stochastix> the phones like the MX4 can run a full ububtu on it, or just ubuntu touch?
[03:32] <RAOF> What do you mean by full Ubuntu? You *can* run X apps and such (in the development code), but there's no hardware for driving an external display so it's not useful (or enabled).
[03:34] <stochastix> RAOF: Well, I mean like do a normal install of ubuntu on it, or perhaps be able to add repos and run most of the programs that you can run in the normal ubuntu distro?
[03:34] <RAOF> You can't do a normal install of Ubuntu onto it. Among other things, how would you get it there? :)
[03:35] <RAOF> But you can run approximately whatever you like on the phone, as long as it doesn't use X :)
[03:35] <RAOF> Ubuntu Touch is built from the same repositories that all the other Ubuntu flavours are.
[03:35] <stochastix> neat, so you can run all of the same console apps i take it?
[03:36] <stochastix> Are there plans to enable the ability to  have app that use X be useable?
[03:37] <RAOF> Roughly. You *can* use apt on it, but it's not a great idea; it can interfere with system image updates and the appstore-like click packages.
[03:37] <stochastix> Regardung how you get it on there, it would seem people find ways lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx9IowNSEUw
[03:38] <RAOF> As we say, if you've got an Nexus 4 there's a PPA with builds of everything that will bring up a desktopish on your external display.
[03:38] <duflu> stochastix: Yes there is a terminal app. And with some effort you can enable ssh too. X app support is coming soon. Although the first usable version of Xmir on phones will be no sooner than xenial (16.04)
[03:38] <stochastix> For example people are runing kali, and arch and ubuntu on android phones.
[03:38] <stochastix> but you need to root the phone.
[03:39] <duflu> Yes, you do need to root the phone if you bring your own (not buying a new one)
[03:39] <stochastix> I figured a with a phone sofware made by ubuntu, things would be more suitable to being able to get whatever you want running on it.
[03:40] <stochastix> or at least plans to allow people to run their favorite apps like wireshark and other things for example.
[03:41] <duflu> stochastix: Yes people are running wireshark now. Although unsupported.
[03:41] <duflu> Running, or trying to run wireshark
[03:41] <duflu> I saw a bug report somewhere
[03:42] <duflu> The challenge there is the graphics. We're still working on official support for launching X apps nicely
[03:43] <stochastix> Doesnt it make things easier for the ubuntu phone to catch on if they find a way to support navie X apps to excite people and relieve some pressure on not having a huge app store with remade apps like vlc and wireshark and all of the popular things people may want?
[03:43] <duflu> Although I think in many cases you will find proper touch apps are more appropriate for a phone.
[03:44] <duflu> stochastix: Yep, X app support is coming. Still some bits being polished
[03:44] <stochastix> ohh, sweet,  ok that is what Im talkin bout woohoo
[03:44] <stochastix> nice
[03:45] <stochastix> That crap will be flying off the shelves when that happens.
[03:45] <duflu> Many X apps are only *nice* to use with a mouse/keyboard though (which you can also use). Not all are controllable with just touch.
[03:45] <duflu> Although you can try
[03:46] <RAOF> Fewer still work nicely on a 4" screen :)
[03:46] <duflu> Yeah pixels are small. And buttons often too small to hit with a finger
[03:46] <duflu> So native touch apps are better for fingers
[03:47] <duflu> But Ubuntu Phone will also support external screens and USB/Bluetooth mouse+keyboard
[03:48] <duflu> It was very satisfying when I first ran Firefox and Chromium on the phone, till I realized I could not control them with a finger.
[03:49] <duflu> Yet.
[03:52] <stochastix> zactly, external screen and BT keyboard.
[03:53] <stochastix> yea, you have to zoom way in , then zoom out , then zoom in etc
[03:54] <muka> is there a way to list channels not using: 'ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=mako'?
[03:56] <stochastix> duflu: a lot of great programs are gui fronts to a great backend. Even being able to just port  GUis that use the same polished backends is a good thing to have?
[04:04] <duflu> stochastix: Correct. And we have Mir-native ports of Qt/QML, GTK and SDL for that
[04:19] <muka> I tried this command: system-image-cli --list-channels -d mako but no output.
[04:31] <muka> if I: sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu, does not change channel. Can someone help? This command used to work 6-8 months ago.
[05:04] <messenjah> so. moin.
[09:03] <Mohanraj> HI All ... like to port ubuntu touch on phone device...where i can download source code and guideline to generate boot images
[09:04] <pdq_>  !devices
[11:45] <myrmidon> Regarding terminal apps, I can't seem to run many on my e4.5
[11:45] <myrmidon> no nmap etc, even Sailfish has nmap and a much more free-er normal terminal function
[11:46] <myrmidon> is there a safer way to add terminal apps via some similar ppa type method on UT?
[11:46] <myrmidon> if it's running the same Ubuntu as my laptop after all.......
[11:50] <t1mp> myrmidon: if you enable read-write mode you can use apt-get to install nmap
[11:53] <t1mp> myrmidon: see how to enable read-write here http://askubuntu.com/questions/380258/how-to-change-the-ubuntu-installation-to-read-write-mode-on-a-mobile-device (and don't ignore all the warnings on that page)
[12:45] <jontheniceguy> Hello! I have a few short hours available to me today, and I thought I'd make a start at looking to port Ubuntu Touch to the tf300t. The old instructions (the last time I took a look at this a year-or-so ago) referenced Cyanogenmod a lot in it's documentation, but I can't see how to pull the binary blobs any more. I've had a look in the Cyanogenmod wiki, which suggests running a command called "breakfast" but I'm not seeing
[12:50] <muka> Does anyone know if usb tethering works on any of the current images? I tried stable and rc and tethering is not working.
[15:09] <Guest94864> did nay one try installing ubuntu touch on google nexus 5 ?
[15:10] <msucles> hi
[15:10] <msucles> did any one try installing ubutnu touch on google nexus 5??
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> !devices | msucles
[15:11] <msucles> thank you
[15:11] <msucles> I know tht
[15:12] <msucles> I have installed ubuntu touch by following the instructions on wiki
[15:12] <msucles> but I am having some problems after installation
[15:16] <kenvandine> msucles, i know dobey uses a nexus 5
[15:35] <dobey> yes i use ubuntu on my nexus5
[15:36] <dobey> msucles: ^^
[15:39] <msucles> dear dobey
[15:39] <msucles> thank you for responding
[15:39] <msucles> actually after installing ubuntu touch on my nexus 5
[15:40] <msucles> I have his broken packages problem
[15:40] <msucles> it says  held broken packaes
[15:40] <msucles> any idea about how to fix it. I really appreciate your help
[15:45] <dobey> yeah. don't make the phone writable, and don't use apt-get to try to upgrade it
[15:45] <dobey> create a chroot like described in the askubuntu link i already gave you
[16:01] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, hi, did you recently fix something in settings network detection, or was there a fix in qt?
[16:02] <awe_> pmcgowan, the latter
[16:03] <awe_> pmcgowan, the ota8.5 dbus fix to qt would crash when installed on desktop
[16:03] <awe_> because of a null ptr when dealing with wired devices
[16:03] <pmcgowan> ok, just repro'd an issue
[16:03] <awe_> this was fixed post 8.5
[16:03] <pmcgowan> where we dont switch from wifi to 3g
[16:03] <pmcgowan> or something
[16:03] <awe_> it also hit someone on the phone using USB ethernet
[16:04] <pmcgowan> right this a different one
[16:04] <awe_> pmcgowan, what device?
[16:04] <pmcgowan> all afaict
[16:04] <awe_> is there a bug?
[16:04] <pmcgowan> at least settings spins looking for updates
[16:04] <pmcgowan> just entering
[16:04] <awe_> ugh
[16:05] <pmcgowan> just checking tat I coud see it in proposed and I can
[16:05] <awe_> when we QA an OTA, do we verify that updates still work via staging?
[16:05] <awe_> of some sort...
[16:05] <pmcgowan> yes afaik
[16:06] <awe_> stable or rc-proposed?
[16:06] <pmcgowan> both, thats what I was just verifying
[16:07] <pmcgowan> if you lose wifi after boot, settings is confused
[16:07] <awe_> ok, is there a full description of the problem anywhere?
[16:07] <pmcgowan> but browser works
[16:07] <pmcgowan> entering now one sec
[16:07] <awe_> what do you mean by lose wifi?
[16:08] <pmcgowan> awe_, turn it off or otherwise lose connection
[16:08] <pmcgowan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1528886
[16:12] <kenvandine> ugh
[16:14] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, when you saw 'Connect to the Internet ...' that was the connectivity api telling us there was no network connection
[16:14] <kenvandine> so the indicator didn't think you had network
[16:15] <kenvandine> it should be killing the check when the network goes away
[16:16] <kenvandine> but in your case the network is just changing
[16:17] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i've noticed similar problems in the dash
[16:17] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, but indicator is shoing data
[16:17] <kenvandine> we aren't very resilient to network changes
[16:17] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:18] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, what else goes though qnetwork?
[16:18] <pmcgowan> the browser works
[16:18] <kenvandine> but they API must have said you were offline, to show the connect to internet label
[16:18] <pmcgowan> I think we have like 10 variations of this bug
[16:18] <kenvandine> and the connectivity api service is provided by the indicator
[16:18] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:18] <kenvandine> we do
[16:18] <kenvandine> i've fixed some of the cases in settings
[16:18] <kenvandine> like if you aren't online, we don't even attempt to check
[16:18] <pmcgowan> but how ca the indicator show the connect icon and report no network?
[16:18] <kenvandine> and if you go offline we kill off existing checks
[16:19] <kenvandine> i think there are bugs :)
[16:19] <kenvandine> but that's not the same bug...
[16:19] <kenvandine> i think you hit more than one bug there :)
[16:19] <awe_> kenvandine, does system settings use connectivity API or Qt?
[16:20] <kenvandine> to show the label "Connect to internet..." we use the connectivity API
[16:20] <awe_> pmcgowan, because we have different code using different methods of querying the network
[16:20] <kenvandine> but that's the only place
[16:20] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, so it seems it got a different answer depending
[16:20] <kenvandine> we have a QNetworkAccessManager for dealing with the actual check
[16:20] <awe_> pmcgowan, I don't see "Connect to the network" in yoru bug
[16:21] <pmcgowan> awe_, I got it 1 out of 5 times
[16:21] <kenvandine> One time I saw
[16:21] <kenvandine> Connect to the Internet ...
[16:21] <pmcgowan> the others hung or showed the correct answer
[16:21] <pmcgowan> its all over the place
[16:21] <awe_> got it
[16:21] <kenvandine> so that was a different bug... when the connectivity api reported offline when it shouldn't have
[16:21] <kenvandine> anyway
[16:22] <pmcgowan> it acts like its just really slow
[16:22] <kenvandine> the other cases are coming from Qt or our platform stuff
[16:22] <pmcgowan> so usually in hangs, and once it finished
[16:22] <awe_> kenvandine, I'm going to put this bug on the agenda for our network/telephony meeting post new year
[16:22] <kenvandine> so when the network changes under the covers on it
[16:22] <awe_> and invite you to the meeting
[16:22] <kenvandine> awe_, thx
[16:22] <pmcgowan> thanks gents
[16:22] <kenvandine> we make the network request to do the check
[16:22] <awe_> pete-woods is usually in attendance
[16:22] <pmcgowan> the mailing list inspired me to repro it
[16:22] <kenvandine> and if wifi gets turned off
[16:22] <kenvandine> the request doesn't see it as going offline, etc
[16:22] <kenvandine> because technically routing should just have changed
[16:23] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, in this case it is online, and it seems to just be really slow
[16:23] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, you can repro the same thing in the dash
[16:23] <pmcgowan> ah
[16:23] <kenvandine> start to load the click store
[16:23] <kenvandine> and quickly turn off wifi
[16:23] <kenvandine> it seems to never finish
[16:23] <awe_> kenvandine, so is this a connectivity api bug, or a Qt bug?
[16:23] <awe_> or both?
[16:24] <kenvandine> different bugs :)
[16:24] <kenvandine> the connectivity api bug is hard to repro
[16:24] <kenvandine> but there are times where it reports offline when the icon says it's connected
[16:24] <kenvandine> but hard to repro...
[16:24] <kenvandine> the other issue is easy to repro
[16:24] <kenvandine> i think in any of the scopes that use data
[16:24] <kenvandine> and in settings
[16:25] <kenvandine> if it's actively waiting for a request to finish
[16:25] <kenvandine> and the network changes, like wifi -> mobile data
[16:25] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, but
[16:25] <kenvandine> it loses it's mind
[16:25] <pmcgowan> I dont make the request until the network switched
[16:26] <pmcgowan> so now it works
[16:26] <pmcgowan> hmm
[16:26] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone else noticed it takes two taps to dismiss the launcher on rc-proposed now ?
[16:26] <awe_> pmcgowan, I'll try and reproduce and add some comments from my POV
[16:27] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, that might be a harder case to repro
[16:27] <pmcgowan> awe_, one phone works one still spins, who knows
[16:27] <kenvandine> maybe the qnam instance might not be getting updated
[16:27] <kenvandine> but it's not hard to reproduce the issue where you turn off wifi right after starting a check
[16:27] <kenvandine> or after starting a search in the dash/scopes
[16:29] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, thats probably the activeapp bug
[16:30] <awe_> pmcgowan, kenvandine, any other bugs I should add to that meeting agenda?
[16:30] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, ah ok :-) have you got a bug number so i can track it?
[16:30] <awe_> ie. the dash/scopes?
[16:30] <pmcgowan> one sec
[16:31] <ahayzen> thanks
[16:31] <pmcgowan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu/+bug/1528668
[16:31] <ahayzen> thanks pmcgowan :-)
[16:31] <awe_> kenvandine, I've added you to the meeting invite for the thu after the new years; and noted the agenda topic
[16:31] <kenvandine> awe_, no, that's it
[16:31] <kenvandine> thx
[16:55] <pmcgowan> ahayzen, that may be a different bug since it happens on the lock screen too, we'll see
[16:56] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, i commented on the bug you linked, so hopefully someone will be able to figure it out :-)
[18:39] <discgolf> Is this the correct place to ask questions about building Ubuntu Touch from the source?
[20:48] <slifeet> Are there any updated guides on starting the process for a currently unsupported phone?
[21:03] <muka> Since usb tethering is not working, I was thinking to get older image. How can I do that? I have mako rc channel.
[21:23] <vandenoever> muka: perhaps usb tethering can be fixed? i'm using hotspot now, but tethering would be great
[21:24] <muka> vandenoever, is it mako/nexus4?
[21:29] <muka> If I would switch from ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu to ubuntu-touch/rc/meizu.en, would it brick the phone?
[21:30] <vandenoever> muka: i'm on mx4 with ota 8.5
[21:32] <the_map> ping?
[21:33] <the_map> is it possible to install Ubuntu on a phone, or do I have to buy a Ubuntu phone?
[21:34] <vandenoever> t
[21:34] <vandenoever> the_map: some models support installing it yourself
[21:35] <the_map> models of phone?
[21:36] <sdk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[21:39] <the_map> doesn't look like my phone is supported
[21:39] <the_map> thanks for the help vandenoever and sdk
[21:39] <sdk> no prob
[21:50] <discgolf> Has anyone tried to build Ubuntu Touch reciently? I am getting a build error (missing "pause" function in "MediaRecorderClient").
[23:06] <ryanleesipes> Hey guys, I've got a bit of an error that seems to relate to compiling for ARM:
[23:06] <ryanleesipes> CMakeLists.txt:1: error: The CMAKE_C_COMPILER: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc is not a full path to an existing compiler tool. Tell CMake where to find the compiler by setting either the environment variable "CC" or the CMake cache entry CMAKE_C_COMPILER to the full path to the compiler, or to the compiler name if it is in the PATH.
[23:07] <ryanleesipes> And:
[23:07] <ryanleesipes> CMakeLists.txt:1: error: The CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++ is not a full path to an existing compiler tool. Tell CMake where to find the compiler by setting either the environment variable "CXX" or the CMake cache entry CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to the full path to the compiler, or to the compiler name if it is in the PATH.
[23:07] <ryanleesipes> Anyone else seen this after a fresh install?
[23:43] <Elleo> mhall119: if you're still around and it's not too much trouble would it be possible to update the docs on developer.ubuntu.com for the new UDM version?
[23:43] <Elleo> mhall119: just making a quick post about all the new stuff and realised we haven't updated the docs
[23:43] <Elleo> mhall119: or does that need to wait until it's actually released in OTA-9?