=== shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer [03:18] is there a ubuntu phone that lets you run a full ubuntu on it yet? [03:24] If you've got a nexus 4 you can test out the development code... [03:26] stochastix: If you've got a Nexus 4 then you can try Ubuntu out on that. Otherwise the other devices for sale (in some regions) are http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices [03:27] I think Nexus 5 might also work [03:29] the phones like the MX4 can run a full ububtu on it, or just ubuntu touch? [03:32] What do you mean by full Ubuntu? You *can* run X apps and such (in the development code), but there's no hardware for driving an external display so it's not useful (or enabled). [03:34] RAOF: Well, I mean like do a normal install of ubuntu on it, or perhaps be able to add repos and run most of the programs that you can run in the normal ubuntu distro? [03:34] You can't do a normal install of Ubuntu onto it. Among other things, how would you get it there? :) [03:35] But you can run approximately whatever you like on the phone, as long as it doesn't use X :) [03:35] Ubuntu Touch is built from the same repositories that all the other Ubuntu flavours are. [03:35] neat, so you can run all of the same console apps i take it? [03:36] Are there plans to enable the ability to have app that use X be useable? [03:37] Roughly. You *can* use apt on it, but it's not a great idea; it can interfere with system image updates and the appstore-like click packages. [03:37] Regardung how you get it on there, it would seem people find ways lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx9IowNSEUw [03:38] As we say, if you've got an Nexus 4 there's a PPA with builds of everything that will bring up a desktopish on your external display. [03:38] stochastix: Yes there is a terminal app. And with some effort you can enable ssh too. X app support is coming soon. Although the first usable version of Xmir on phones will be no sooner than xenial (16.04) [03:38] For example people are runing kali, and arch and ubuntu on android phones. [03:38] but you need to root the phone. [03:39] Yes, you do need to root the phone if you bring your own (not buying a new one) [03:39] I figured a with a phone sofware made by ubuntu, things would be more suitable to being able to get whatever you want running on it. [03:40] or at least plans to allow people to run their favorite apps like wireshark and other things for example. [03:41] stochastix: Yes people are running wireshark now. Although unsupported. [03:41] Running, or trying to run wireshark [03:41] I saw a bug report somewhere [03:42] The challenge there is the graphics. We're still working on official support for launching X apps nicely [03:43] Doesnt it make things easier for the ubuntu phone to catch on if they find a way to support navie X apps to excite people and relieve some pressure on not having a huge app store with remade apps like vlc and wireshark and all of the popular things people may want? [03:43] Although I think in many cases you will find proper touch apps are more appropriate for a phone. [03:44] stochastix: Yep, X app support is coming. Still some bits being polished [03:44] ohh, sweet, ok that is what Im talkin bout woohoo [03:44] nice [03:45] That crap will be flying off the shelves when that happens. [03:45] Many X apps are only *nice* to use with a mouse/keyboard though (which you can also use). Not all are controllable with just touch. [03:45] Although you can try [03:46] Fewer still work nicely on a 4" screen :) [03:46] Yeah pixels are small. And buttons often too small to hit with a finger [03:46] So native touch apps are better for fingers [03:47] But Ubuntu Phone will also support external screens and USB/Bluetooth mouse+keyboard [03:48] It was very satisfying when I first ran Firefox and Chromium on the phone, till I realized I could not control them with a finger. [03:49] Yet. [03:52] zactly, external screen and BT keyboard. [03:53] yea, you have to zoom way in , then zoom out , then zoom in etc [03:54] is there a way to list channels not using: 'ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=mako'? [03:56] duflu: a lot of great programs are gui fronts to a great backend. Even being able to just port GUis that use the same polished backends is a good thing to have? [04:04] stochastix: Correct. And we have Mir-native ports of Qt/QML, GTK and SDL for that [04:19] I tried this command: system-image-cli --list-channels -d mako but no output. [04:31] if I: sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu, does not change channel. Can someone help? This command used to work 6-8 months ago. === messenja1 is now known as messenjah [05:04] so. moin. [09:03] HI All ... like to port ubuntu touch on phone device...where i can download source code and guideline to generate boot images [09:04] !devices [09:04] You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [11:45] Regarding terminal apps, I can't seem to run many on my e4.5 [11:45] no nmap etc, even Sailfish has nmap and a much more free-er normal terminal function [11:46] is there a safer way to add terminal apps via some similar ppa type method on UT? [11:46] if it's running the same Ubuntu as my laptop after all....... [11:50] myrmidon: if you enable read-write mode you can use apt-get to install nmap [11:53] myrmidon: see how to enable read-write here http://askubuntu.com/questions/380258/how-to-change-the-ubuntu-installation-to-read-write-mode-on-a-mobile-device (and don't ignore all the warnings on that page) === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [12:45] Hello! I have a few short hours available to me today, and I thought I'd make a start at looking to port Ubuntu Touch to the tf300t. The old instructions (the last time I took a look at this a year-or-so ago) referenced Cyanogenmod a lot in it's documentation, but I can't see how to pull the binary blobs any more. I've had a look in the Cyanogenmod wiki, which suggests running a command called "breakfast" but I'm not seeing [12:50] Does anyone know if usb tethering works on any of the current images? I tried stable and rc and tethering is not working. === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === shuduo_ is now known as shuduo === muscles is now known as Guest94864 [15:09] did nay one try installing ubuntu touch on google nexus 5 ? [15:10] hi [15:10] did any one try installing ubutnu touch on google nexus 5?? [15:10] !devices | msucles [15:10] msucles: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [15:11] thank you [15:11] I know tht [15:12] I have installed ubuntu touch by following the instructions on wiki [15:12] but I am having some problems after installation [15:16] msucles, i know dobey uses a nexus 5 [15:35] yes i use ubuntu on my nexus5 [15:36] msucles: ^^ === curtness is now known as strahtw [15:39] dear dobey [15:39] thank you for responding [15:39] actually after installing ubuntu touch on my nexus 5 [15:40] I have his broken packages problem [15:40] it says held broken packaes [15:40] any idea about how to fix it. I really appreciate your help [15:45] yeah. don't make the phone writable, and don't use apt-get to try to upgrade it [15:45] create a chroot like described in the askubuntu link i already gave you [16:01] kenvandine, hi, did you recently fix something in settings network detection, or was there a fix in qt? [16:02] pmcgowan, the latter [16:03] pmcgowan, the ota8.5 dbus fix to qt would crash when installed on desktop [16:03] because of a null ptr when dealing with wired devices [16:03] ok, just repro'd an issue [16:03] this was fixed post 8.5 [16:03] where we dont switch from wifi to 3g [16:03] or something [16:03] it also hit someone on the phone using USB ethernet [16:04] right this a different one [16:04] pmcgowan, what device? [16:04] all afaict [16:04] is there a bug? [16:04] at least settings spins looking for updates [16:04] just entering [16:04] ugh [16:05] just checking tat I coud see it in proposed and I can [16:05] when we QA an OTA, do we verify that updates still work via staging? [16:05] of some sort... [16:05] yes afaik [16:06] stable or rc-proposed? [16:06] both, thats what I was just verifying [16:07] if you lose wifi after boot, settings is confused [16:07] ok, is there a full description of the problem anywhere? [16:07] but browser works [16:07] entering now one sec [16:07] what do you mean by lose wifi? [16:08] awe_, turn it off or otherwise lose connection [16:08] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1528886 [16:08] Launchpad bug 1528886 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Checking for updates never finishes" [Undecided,New] [16:12] ugh [16:14] pmcgowan, when you saw 'Connect to the Internet ...' that was the connectivity api telling us there was no network connection [16:14] so the indicator didn't think you had network [16:15] it should be killing the check when the network goes away [16:16] but in your case the network is just changing [16:17] pmcgowan, i've noticed similar problems in the dash [16:17] kenvandine, but indicator is shoing data [16:17] we aren't very resilient to network changes [16:17] yeah [16:18] kenvandine, what else goes though qnetwork? [16:18] the browser works [16:18] but they API must have said you were offline, to show the connect to internet label [16:18] I think we have like 10 variations of this bug [16:18] and the connectivity api service is provided by the indicator [16:18] yeah [16:18] we do [16:18] i've fixed some of the cases in settings [16:18] like if you aren't online, we don't even attempt to check [16:18] but how ca the indicator show the connect icon and report no network? [16:18] and if you go offline we kill off existing checks [16:19] i think there are bugs :) [16:19] but that's not the same bug... [16:19] i think you hit more than one bug there :) [16:19] kenvandine, does system settings use connectivity API or Qt? [16:20] to show the label "Connect to internet..." we use the connectivity API [16:20] pmcgowan, because we have different code using different methods of querying the network [16:20] but that's the only place [16:20] kenvandine, so it seems it got a different answer depending [16:20] we have a QNetworkAccessManager for dealing with the actual check [16:20] pmcgowan, I don't see "Connect to the network" in yoru bug [16:21] awe_, I got it 1 out of 5 times [16:21] One time I saw [16:21] Connect to the Internet ... [16:21] the others hung or showed the correct answer [16:21] its all over the place [16:21] got it [16:21] so that was a different bug... when the connectivity api reported offline when it shouldn't have [16:21] anyway [16:22] it acts like its just really slow [16:22] the other cases are coming from Qt or our platform stuff [16:22] so usually in hangs, and once it finished [16:22] kenvandine, I'm going to put this bug on the agenda for our network/telephony meeting post new year [16:22] so when the network changes under the covers on it [16:22] and invite you to the meeting [16:22] awe_, thx [16:22] thanks gents [16:22] we make the network request to do the check [16:22] pete-woods is usually in attendance [16:22] the mailing list inspired me to repro it [16:22] and if wifi gets turned off [16:22] the request doesn't see it as going offline, etc [16:22] because technically routing should just have changed [16:23] kenvandine, in this case it is online, and it seems to just be really slow [16:23] pmcgowan, you can repro the same thing in the dash [16:23] ah [16:23] start to load the click store [16:23] and quickly turn off wifi [16:23] it seems to never finish [16:23] kenvandine, so is this a connectivity api bug, or a Qt bug? [16:23] or both? [16:24] different bugs :) [16:24] the connectivity api bug is hard to repro [16:24] but there are times where it reports offline when the icon says it's connected [16:24] but hard to repro... [16:24] the other issue is easy to repro [16:24] i think in any of the scopes that use data [16:24] and in settings [16:25] if it's actively waiting for a request to finish [16:25] and the network changes, like wifi -> mobile data [16:25] kenvandine, but [16:25] it loses it's mind [16:25] I dont make the request until the network switched [16:26] so now it works [16:26] hmm [16:26] Hi, anyone else noticed it takes two taps to dismiss the launcher on rc-proposed now ? [16:26] pmcgowan, I'll try and reproduce and add some comments from my POV [16:27] pmcgowan, that might be a harder case to repro [16:27] awe_, one phone works one still spins, who knows [16:27] maybe the qnam instance might not be getting updated [16:27] but it's not hard to reproduce the issue where you turn off wifi right after starting a check [16:27] or after starting a search in the dash/scopes [16:29] ahayzen, thats probably the activeapp bug [16:30] pmcgowan, kenvandine, any other bugs I should add to that meeting agenda? [16:30] pmcgowan, ah ok :-) have you got a bug number so i can track it? [16:30] ie. the dash/scopes? [16:30] one sec [16:31] thanks [16:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu/+bug/1528668 [16:31] Launchpad bug 1528668 in qtubuntu (Ubuntu) "[regression] Qt.application.active not working correctly" [Critical,In progress] [16:31] thanks pmcgowan :-) [16:31] kenvandine, I've added you to the meeting invite for the thu after the new years; and noted the agenda topic [16:31] awe_, no, that's it [16:31] thx === salem_ is now known as _salem [16:55] ahayzen, that may be a different bug since it happens on the lock screen too, we'll see [16:56] pmcgowan, i commented on the bug you linked, so hopefully someone will be able to figure it out :-) === oever is now known as vandenoever [18:39] Is this the correct place to ask questions about building Ubuntu Touch from the source? === discgolf is now known as Guest2500 === Guest2500 is now known as discgolf [20:48] Are there any updated guides on starting the process for a currently unsupported phone? [21:03] Since usb tethering is not working, I was thinking to get older image. How can I do that? I have mako rc channel. [21:23] muka: perhaps usb tethering can be fixed? i'm using hotspot now, but tethering would be great [21:24] vandenoever, is it mako/nexus4? [21:29] If I would switch from ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu to ubuntu-touch/rc/meizu.en, would it brick the phone? [21:30] muka: i'm on mx4 with ota 8.5 [21:32] ping? [21:33] is it possible to install Ubuntu on a phone, or do I have to buy a Ubuntu phone? [21:34] t [21:34] the_map: some models support installing it yourself [21:35] models of phone? [21:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [21:39] doesn't look like my phone is supported [21:39] thanks for the help vandenoever and sdk [21:39] no prob [21:50] Has anyone tried to build Ubuntu Touch reciently? I am getting a build error (missing "pause" function in "MediaRecorderClient"). [23:06] Hey guys, I've got a bit of an error that seems to relate to compiling for ARM: [23:06] CMakeLists.txt:1: error: The CMAKE_C_COMPILER: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc is not a full path to an existing compiler tool. Tell CMake where to find the compiler by setting either the environment variable "CC" or the CMake cache entry CMAKE_C_COMPILER to the full path to the compiler, or to the compiler name if it is in the PATH. [23:07] And: [23:07] CMakeLists.txt:1: error: The CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++ is not a full path to an existing compiler tool. Tell CMake where to find the compiler by setting either the environment variable "CXX" or the CMake cache entry CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to the full path to the compiler, or to the compiler name if it is in the PATH. [23:07] Anyone else seen this after a fresh install? [23:43] mhall119: if you're still around and it's not too much trouble would it be possible to update the docs on developer.ubuntu.com for the new UDM version? [23:43] mhall119: just making a quick post about all the new stuff and realised we haven't updated the docs [23:43] mhall119: or does that need to wait until it's actually released in OTA-9?