[04:51] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:14] <superfly> Zzzzz
[06:14] <magellanic> mornings
[06:38] <Symmetria> heh anyone here use rtorrent?
[06:39] <magellanic> nope
[06:39] <thatgraemeguy> tested it many moons ago but settled on deluge because $reasons
[06:39] <Symmetria> thatgraemeguy lol
[06:39] <Symmetria> check this out
[06:39] <Symmetria> [Throttle off/off KB] [Rate 242.3/198909.2 KB] [Port: 23506]                       [U 2/0] [D 79/0] [H 0/32] [S 7/163/768] [F 96/128]
[06:39] <Symmetria> :P at that point my poor harddrive I was leeching to went "screw this, I cant write that fast"
[06:40] <thatgraemeguy> oops
[06:40] <thatgraemeguy> time for that 48-bay SSD array :D
[06:41] <Symmetria> LOL, that or just get an SSD for leeching to and move shit off it when Im done
[06:41] <magellanic> or leech slower :p
[06:41] <Symmetria> the problem is torrenting to an SSD can severely hurt the drive, SSD's dont really like massive numbers of writes 
[06:41] <Symmetria> magellanic blasphemy
[06:41] <Symmetria> ;p
[06:41] <thatgraemeguy> pretty sure that isn't the case with modern SSDs
[06:42] <magellanic> aren't they meant for lots of writes, with their huge iops
[06:47] <Symmetria> magellanic heh yes, but they have limited life span
[06:47] <Symmetria> if you keep writing to them 
[07:01] <Kilos> morning thatgraemeguy superfly inetpro grumbug magellanic pieter2627 TinuvaMac totimkopf and all others
[07:03] <thatgraemeguy> lo lo
[07:08] <superfly> Kilos: morning sleepy head 
[07:09] <magellanic> sup Kilos 
[07:09] <Kilos> haha ive already sprayed weed killer on dubbeltjies over a large area
[07:09] <Kilos> and taken sheep to pasture
[07:09] <Kilos> gonna be hot again today
[07:09] <Kilos> Maaz forecast pretoria
[07:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Wednesday: Clear. High: 35° C., Wednesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 19° C., Thursday: Clear. High: 37° C., Thursday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 20° C., Friday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 34° C., Friday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 18° C., Saturday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 32° C., Saturday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 17° C., Sunday: Chance of a
[07:10] <Maaz> Thunderstorm. High: 31° C., Sunday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 18° C., Monda…
[07:11] <Kilos> http://newsletters.mybroadband.co.za/lt.php?c=726&m=746&nl=2&s=bf7acfe2dfd656e64c262fe9165a0e17&lid=18070&l=-http--mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/150447-tesla-powerwall-in-sa-how-much-it-costs-and-when-you-can-buy-it.html
[07:12] <Kilos> not just eskoms unreliability but the cost of electricity thats making such an investment look worthwhile
[07:19] <Symmetria> heh overpriced if you ask me
[07:20] <magellanic> still a huge figure to fork out for just the battery, then the panels etc etc
[07:20] <Symmetria> I run a 8kVA genset with a 5kVA inverter and a battery bank 
[07:20] <Symmetria> and it cost me less ;p
[07:21] <Symmetria> you can put in a 4KVA inverter with batteries for well less than 2k 
[07:26] <Kilos> cost of fuel there most likely less than here Symmetria 
[07:26] <Kilos> i think we are over R14 a litre
[07:42] <MaNI> powerwall is a terrible investment
[07:43] <MaNI> could spend that money on less batteries and some solar panels, much better investment
[07:45] <MaNI> plenty of other LiFePO batteries out there as well - theres nothing actually special about powerwall, just an expensive pretty looking version marketed at folks with too much money
[07:47] <Symmetria> heh ANY batteries are going to be expensive, its just that that one, is a lot more expensive
[07:47] <Symmetria> ;p
[07:48] <Symmetria> I run solar on the waterheaters here, the rest I run on mains / fall back to genset and inverter when power goes 
[07:48] <Symmetria> purely because realistically, the number of panels I would need woul be problematic ;p
[07:49] <Symmetria> I use a SHITLOAD of power at home
[07:59] <mazal> Mornings
[08:00] <MaNI> you don't need to go 100% solar you know, thats the fallacy most people make
[08:01] <MaNI> aiming for e.g. 50% being provided by solar is more economical/realistic
[08:01] <MaNI> (especially with ZA's tiered pricing of electricity)
[08:02] <thatgraemeguy> I want to start out with converting my lighting to 12V DC
[08:02] <thatgraemeguy> sometime
[08:02] <thatgraemeguy> solar water heating too
[08:02] <thatgraemeguy> sometime
[08:03] <MaNI> I've started with lighting/computers/monitors/network equipment etc. - already knocked a huge amount off my bill, once I wire in water heating as well it will be profit all the way
[08:04] <MaNI> if the power fails all I really lose is the oven/fridge/vacuum (and stuff like that) which is not a big deal anyway
[08:04] <magellanic> MaNI: what did the setup for this cost if you don't mind me asking? and how much do you save?
[08:05] <magellanic> I am also keen to start at the lights
[08:05] <magellanic> MaNI: you loose the geyser too right? :p
[08:05] <MaNI> magellanic, yeah but its stores heat for ages so thats not a big deal, also that will be wired in next as a dump load so soon I won't lose that either
[08:06] <MaNI> magellanic, I've spent in total around 25k - my electricity bill is down to about R800 from R1200 - I'm still wasting a lot of my panel output though, once I dump that to the geyset my bill will probably be around R300 (at an estimate)
[08:07] <magellanic> I use a gas stove along side the electric, lights/pc/network are my biggest issue I think
[08:07] <MaNI> I actually view any profit as a bonus - as if I did not go this route I would have anyway had to sink ~R20k on a generator or giant UPS of some kind
[08:07] <magellanic> yeah
[08:07] <MaNI> so any cost reduction from it is really a bonus in that sense 
[08:08] <MaNI> most of the savings are from the pc's - the lights are actually tiny in comparison
[08:08] <magellanic> cool. I will look into it again
[08:13] <magellanic> heh there is quite a bit of rage about the price in the comments of that article too
[14:58] <squish102> 5 year ROI MaNI
[14:58] <MaNI> if viewed as an investment yeah
[14:59] <MaNI> if viewed as "I would have had to spend that money anyway on a generator or UPS" - its actually pure profit all the way
[14:59] <MaNI> either way its good in my books
[14:59] <squish102> and that powerwall are for ppl they buy iPhones, cuz they cool
[15:00] <MaNI> sounds about right
[15:00] <squish102> i also thought the eskom problems were over, hasnt it been awhile since power outages?
[15:02] <MaNI> if you exclude the 3 entire sundays of "municipal maintenance" we have had in the area over the last 4 months - then yeah its been a while, but only because of a reduction in demand, when (if?) our economy recovers again it would be naive not to expect more of the same
[15:02] <squish102> i wonder is slack is the next replacement for irc
[15:03] <squish102> they should open source slack
[15:03] <MaNI> I sure hope not - much prefer IRC
[15:03] <MaNI> maybe someone will actually improve IRC at some point, that would be grand
[15:04] <squish102> MaNI: u old school, stop living in the past :P
[15:05] <Kilos> lol
[15:05] <Kilos> irc works fine
[15:06] <squish102> dunno what will change the dieing trend of irc
[15:06] <squish102> last 10 years has been all downhill
[15:06] <MaNI> not entirely true
[15:06] <MaNI> only for networks that aren't freenode
[15:06] <Kilos> already many are using G+ fb and twitter rather than irc
[15:07] <Kilos> but sheep are sheep
[15:07] <MaNI> http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.003.jpg
[15:07] <Kilos> one leads and others follow
[15:07] <MaNI> http://royal.pingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/irc.002.jpg
[15:08] <MaNI> its just lost out on a few side niches - like gaming, flirt chats and warez - and has consolidated in its original niche of technical chat
[15:08] <MaNI> which while not ideal - is not terrible either
[18:10] <Wolfeyes> evening all
[18:11] <Kilos> hi Wolfeyes 
[18:11] <Kilos> you winning?
[18:13] <Wolfeyes> winning with clients slowly
[18:14] <Wolfeyes> but the heat was a killer today
[18:17] <Kilos> tomorrow worse
[19:08] <Langjan> Hey Kilos  whats news?
[19:08] <Kilos> still nothing Langjan 
[19:09] <Kilos> very frustrating
[19:09] <Kilos> now they most likely close over Christmas
[19:09] <Langjan> Eish man, did you complain big time to the High Commissioner?
[19:10] <Kilos> i mailed with my info
[19:10] <Langjan> Maybe tickets will get cheaper soon...
[19:10] <Kilos> tried foning but auto trply thing drove me mad and wasted airtime
[19:11] <Kilos> thats the only upside.  it can only get cheaper now
[19:12] <Kilos> when i ever get there one day ill speak to them about their feedback weakness
[19:12] <Langjan> I see Emirates are already advertising some good deals, mainly to Europe and Emirates but Oz should also improve, however the Rand is not helping.     
[19:12] <Kilos> dont wanna rock the boat yet
[19:12] <Kilos> rand is inna bad way
[19:12] <Kilos> ty zuma
[19:13] <Kilos> he should go back to herding cattle
[19:13] <Langjan> The ID 10 T syndrome
[19:13] <Kilos> yip
[19:13] <Kilos> it was all planned im sure
[19:13] <Kilos> many peeps made fortunes with it
[19:14] <Kilos> think about buying 50 mil before than crash and selling now
[19:14] <Kilos> money for jam
[19:15] <Kilos> and selling that much will dop value again
[19:15] <Kilos> everything is crooked
[19:15] <Langjan> Agreed, you think the man is capable of herding cattle? 
[19:15] <Kilos> f someone is behind him with a sjambok ja
[19:16] <Langjan> Mugabe does it, has been for ages, why not Zuma also?
[19:16] <Kilos> yip
[19:16] <Langjan> Maney-laundering
[19:16] <Langjan> Money
[19:16] <Kilos> gonna be fun watching the idle rich when money crashes
[19:17] <Kilos> many will splat on sidewalks out of highrise buildings
[19:17] <Kilos> easier just to vacuum up then anyway
[19:19] <Langjan> Check this out and take them on: https://www.border.gov.au/about/access-accountability/service-standards
[19:19] <Kilos> will do ty
[19:20] <Kilos> oh ive read that a few times
[19:20] <Kilos> with a smirk on my face
[19:20] <Kilos> sales talk
[19:21] <Kilos> they dont give anyway to contact them directly
[19:22] <Kilos> next week ill get a friend there to fone one of the ministers agai as he did 4 years ago
[19:22] <Kilos> they took 2 years with last application
[19:24] <Kilos> im sure they think im a risk to their security
[19:25] <Kilos> so things get lost
[19:25] <Kilos> last time they foned and apologised and made many excuses
[19:26] <Kilos> and im falling asleep again
[19:26] <Kilos> Langjan ty for caring, i have to sleep now
[19:26] <Kilos> see you tomorrow again
[19:26] <Kilos> stay safe and well
[19:27] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:27] <Langjan> Slaap lekker Kilos 
[19:28] <Kilos> dankie oom , julle ook
[19:28] <Langjan> Dankie en sterkte, alles sal regkom...
[19:28] <Kilos> ons hoop maar so dankie baie
[20:28] <Sxuza> hi all 
[20:28] <Sxuza> i need some help with LTE CPE B593 modem  - Telkom