[00:53] KCI is working again! [01:24] muon (master) v5.4.3-173-g09eb704 * Carlo Vanini: (24 files in 6 dirs) [01:24] port away from KDELibs4Support [01:24] This removes the dependency from KDELibs4Support. [01:24] Added KF5 dependecies are I18n, IconThemes and XmlGui. [01:24] http://commits.kde.org/muon/09eb704a0eea433712b90a7f215d64490e613e57 [08:52] Good morning. [12:01] Howdy folks, and Merry Christmas! [14:46] hiho [15:25] yofel: i'm now on Xenial (did upgrade yesterday), so i can test new stuff on it now [15:28] BluesKaj: also Merry Christmas :) [15:29] Merry Chritmas to you too, soee :-) [15:29] i jumped to Xenial yesterday and it works just fine :) [15:32] soee, mine went bad yesterday, it was unusable , so I'm back on 14.04 today, I'll install 16.04 later when plasma5.5.2 is in the backports [15:32] well i had some errors with upower and plymouth but everything works fine [15:33] but i did also upgrade Windows 7 -> Windows 10, and it somehow made my Kubuntu installation to start 1:30 min ecause of some error [15:34] and in teh end it was bad UUID of my swap partition so i can say Windows make me fix bug in linux system :D [15:35] I must confess i screwed up my permissions playing around with links to the sources.list and shut myself out of all my apt apps :-) , but previous to that the desktop kept freezing and had errors trying update and upgrade [15:36] :( [15:36] http://wstaw.org/m/2015/12/25/snapshot42.png [16:56] soee, how are the Xenial repos working , any 404s ? [18:10] BluesKaj: i don't see any 404 [18:11] soee, ok thanks [18:11] 2 bugs i noticed so far: [18:11] muon can't be closed by pressing X button in windows decoration [18:11] Drivers Manager in System Settings does not list drivers [18:13] yeah you have to use the quit button in muon, and the driver manager is not working [18:14] plus the system tray doesn't respond to any option choices [18:15] what choices ? [18:15] to show or hide or set to auto [18:17] you mean settings ? but you can activate applets right ? [18:19] well it worked fine till i played with the setings now :D [18:19] and now konversation icon is always visible :/ [18:36] BluesKaj: i removed konversation for systray visible list by editing configuration file [18:38] soee, that shouldn't be necessary [21:05] merry Christmas everyone who celebrates [21:06] you too valorie [21:06] although Im glad its almost over here! [21:07] the big party is over here, last night [21:07] crazytown with all the excited children [21:08] we'll head off for a more sedate dinner with Bob's brother and wife in a couple of hours [21:08] yeah, its crazy [21:08] I love it though [21:08] and we had an almost-white xmas [21:08] not enough for a snowball though [21:08] ours is wet and cold [21:09] but Ive had enough of family now! [21:11] xmas eve is my side of the family, xmas day with my husband's [21:11] nice to spread it out that way, especially for my kids [21:11] :-) [21:11] second christmas with my family and nephew :D cool time [21:12] any excuse for celebration is fine by me! [21:12] :D [21:12] my family over do things [21:12] * valorie had eggnog in the morning coffee [21:12] I skipped the rum though [21:12] all the best china plates, silver cutlery comes out [21:12] ;] [21:13] but i fond time to upgradesystem to Xenial :-) [21:13] soee: you must not have been paiding attention then!! [21:13] paying [21:13] well, I brought out the silver, but we had paper plates and munchies and sandwiches [21:14] no space for a formal dinner for so many people [21:14] clivejo: why ? [21:14] more fun to just let the kids rip [21:15] LOL my family we have no internet, have to listen to the same old jokes and pretend to laugh at them [21:16] there’s no communications with the outside world bar a very old telephone line! Its like going back in time [21:17] whee do you live ? [21:17] rural Ireland [21:17] and why it is bad ? :) [21:18] I dont like being totally cut off! [21:18] i just love to leave it all teh net/work stuff and spend some days in the wild :) [21:18] Ill swap you [21:19] valorie: do we raport Xenial bugs somewhere already or it is to early ? [21:20] clivejo: nice remix to relax: https://soundcloud.com/dj-eurojamz/lord-of-the-rings-techno :) [21:20] hmmm, I would say yes [21:20] the sooner we fix the bugs, the better our LTS will be [21:21] never too early to begin polishing [21:21] ah ok, i will consult them with Philip first [21:21] I mean, KDE bugs are a no-brainer [21:21] of course report those [21:22] our own bugs, as you say, are a bit more complicated [21:23] soee: whats the bug? [21:24] clivejo: muon can't be closed using window decoration, System Settings -> Driver Manager does not load drivers list, systray is broken if we play with show/hide/auto settings for sme entries (it cant be changed back) [21:25] I think those should all be reported [21:26] upstream [21:26] yup, also Bluskay confirmed them all [21:28] then the sooner reported, the better [21:28] wonder when driver manager stopped working [21:29] probably when shadeslayer stopped caring about it [21:29] :( [21:32] it was working [21:38] it used to work well, yeah [21:38] I've not had to use it for awhile [21:44] KCI is back online, but not triggering rebuilds on debian git changes [21:45] I saw a discussion earlier about moving back to launchpad, now that we can use git there [21:46] I thought part of the use of our Kubuntu packaging in the Debian git was so that they could use our work [21:46] but perhaps it isn't being used by them? [21:47] yeah and vice versa [21:47] anyway, I'm going to go away from my keyboard and get ready to head out to my brother-in-law's for dinner [21:47] Debian seems to be ahead of us at the moment [21:47] well, we've always used their packages [21:47] right [21:48] so those merges that Scarlett was doing would help a lot [21:48] Maxy seems to be working hard [21:48] I'm hoping that we can get this all done in the next week, and start the new year with a bang [21:48] getting all what done? [21:48] and then polish up our packaging documentation [21:48] all the stuff in the /topic [21:49] eakk [21:49] we've got new people asking to help [21:49] but our docs suck, so they don't know where to start [21:49] that ambitious! [21:49] maybe not all the apps [21:50] but at least the testing, and Plasma 5.5.2 [21:50] well Im stuck on kwin [21:51] that's a biggie for sure [21:52] I think its quite simple [21:52] I just cant get my head around it [21:52] docs are alway the most important thing when working with any kind of deveoping, progrmming etc [21:53] soee: I disagree [21:53] an experienced and good mentor [21:54] sometimes you can read docs until your eyes are sore, but just being told the solution in the context you are working in and it all comes together [21:58] but I do think the KCC need to take the lead :P [21:59] if someone shows an interest, net them quickly and get them communicating with the people who can help develop the skills [22:05] people look at the website and see no activity since Jon "stood" down. New people just see that as a community falling apart :( [22:07] * clivejo wanders off [22:45] clivejo: point taken. I'm trying to do that, but we need all of us leading [22:46] soee: i agree that they are foundational [22:46] clivejo: I agree that hands-on is also fundamental [22:46] we need both, and right now, our docs aren't there for us