[00:53] <clivejo> KCI is working again!
[01:24] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.3-173-g09eb704 * Carlo Vanini:  (24 files in 6 dirs)
[01:24] <pursuivant> port away from KDELibs4Support
[01:24] <pursuivant> This removes the dependency from KDELibs4Support.
[01:24] <pursuivant> Added KF5 dependecies are I18n, IconThemes and XmlGui.
[01:24] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/09eb704a0eea433712b90a7f215d64490e613e57
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks, and Merry Christmas!
[14:46] <soee> hiho
[15:25] <soee> yofel: i'm now on Xenial (did upgrade yesterday), so i can test new stuff on it now
[15:28] <soee> BluesKaj: also Merry Christmas :)
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Merry Chritmas to you too, soee :-)
[15:29] <soee> i jumped to Xenial yesterday and it works just fine :)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> soee, mine went bad yesterday, it was unusable , so I'm back on 14.04 today, I'll install 16.04 later when plasma5.5.2 is in the backports
[15:32] <soee> well i had some errors with upower and plymouth but everything works fine
[15:33] <soee> but i did also upgrade Windows 7 -> Windows 10, and it somehow made my Kubuntu installation to start 1:30 min ecause of some error
[15:34] <soee> and in teh end it was bad UUID of my swap partition so i can say Windows make me fix bug in linux system :D
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I must confess i screwed up my permissions playing around with links to the sources.list and shut myself out of all my apt apps :-) , but previous to that the desktop kept freezing and had errors trying update and upgrade
[15:36] <soee> :(
[15:36] <soee> http://wstaw.org/m/2015/12/25/snapshot42.png
[16:56] <BluesKaj> soee, how are the Xenial repos working , any 404s ?
[18:10] <soee> BluesKaj: i don't see any 404
[18:11] <BluesKaj> soee, ok thanks
[18:11] <soee> 2 bugs i noticed so far:
[18:11] <soee> muon can't be closed by pressing X button in windows decoration 
[18:11] <soee> Drivers Manager in System Settings does not list drivers
[18:13] <BluesKaj> yeah you have to use the quit button in muon, and the driver manager is not working 
[18:14] <BluesKaj> plus the system tray doesn't respond to any option choices
[18:15] <soee> what choices ?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> to show or hide or set to auto
[18:17] <soee> you mean settings ? but you can activate applets right ?
[18:19] <soee> well it worked fine till i played with the setings now :D
[18:19] <soee> and now konversation icon is always visible :/
[18:36] <soee> BluesKaj: i removed konversation for systray visible list by editing configuration file
[18:38] <BluesKaj> soee, that shouldn't be necessary
[21:05] <valorie> merry Christmas everyone who celebrates
[21:06] <clivejo> you too valorie
[21:06] <clivejo> although Im glad its almost over here!
[21:07] <valorie> the big party is over here, last night
[21:07] <valorie> crazytown with all the excited children
[21:08] <valorie> we'll head off for a more sedate dinner with Bob's brother and wife in a couple of hours
[21:08] <clivejo> yeah, its crazy
[21:08] <valorie> I love it though
[21:08] <valorie> and we had an almost-white xmas
[21:08] <valorie> not enough for a snowball though
[21:08] <clivejo> ours is wet and cold
[21:09] <clivejo> but Ive had enough of family now!
[21:11] <valorie> xmas eve is my side of the family, xmas day with my husband's
[21:11] <valorie> nice to spread it out that way, especially for my kids
[21:11] <valorie> :-)
[21:11] <soee> second  christmas with my family and nephew :D cool time
[21:12] <valorie> any excuse for celebration is fine by me!
[21:12] <soee> :D
[21:12] <clivejo> my family over do things 
[21:12]  * valorie had eggnog in the morning coffee
[21:12] <valorie> I skipped the rum though
[21:12] <clivejo> all the best china plates, silver cutlery comes out
[21:12] <soee> ;]
[21:13] <soee> but i fond time to upgradesystem to Xenial :-)
[21:13] <clivejo> soee: you must not have been paiding attention then!!
[21:13] <clivejo> paying
[21:13] <valorie> well, I brought out the silver, but we had paper plates and munchies and sandwiches
[21:14] <valorie> no space for a formal dinner for so many people 
[21:14] <soee> clivejo: why ?
[21:14] <valorie> more fun to just let the kids rip
[21:15] <clivejo> LOL my family we have no internet, have to listen to the same old jokes and pretend to laugh at them 
[21:16] <clivejo> there’s no communications with the outside world bar a very old telephone line!  Its like going back in time
[21:17] <soee> whee do you live ?
[21:17] <clivejo> rural Ireland
[21:17] <soee> and why it is bad ? :)
[21:18] <clivejo> I dont like being totally cut off!
[21:18] <soee> i just love to leave it all teh net/work stuff and spend some days in the wild :)
[21:18] <clivejo> Ill swap you
[21:19] <soee> valorie: do we raport Xenial bugs somewhere already or it is to early ?
[21:20] <soee> clivejo: nice remix to relax: https://soundcloud.com/dj-eurojamz/lord-of-the-rings-techno :)
[21:20] <valorie> hmmm, I would say yes
[21:20] <valorie> the sooner we fix the bugs, the better our LTS will be
[21:21] <valorie> never too early to begin polishing
[21:21] <soee> ah ok, i will consult them with Philip first 
[21:21] <valorie> I mean, KDE bugs are a no-brainer
[21:21] <valorie> of course report those
[21:22] <valorie> our own bugs, as you say, are a bit more complicated
[21:23] <clivejo> soee: whats the bug?
[21:24] <soee> clivejo: muon can't be closed using window decoration, System Settings -> Driver Manager does not load drivers list, systray is broken if we play with show/hide/auto settings for sme entries (it cant be changed back)
[21:25] <valorie> I think those should all be reported
[21:26] <valorie> upstream
[21:26] <soee> yup, also Bluskay confirmed them all
[21:28] <valorie> then the sooner reported, the better
[21:28] <clivejo> wonder when driver manager stopped working
[21:29] <valorie> probably when shadeslayer stopped caring about it
[21:29] <valorie> :(
[21:32] <clivejo> it was working
[21:38] <valorie> it used to work well, yeah
[21:38] <valorie> I've not had to use it for awhile
[21:44] <clivejo> KCI is back online, but not triggering rebuilds on debian git changes
[21:45] <valorie> I saw a discussion earlier about moving back to launchpad, now that we can use git there
[21:46] <valorie> I thought part of the use of our Kubuntu packaging in the Debian git was so that they could use our work
[21:46] <valorie> but perhaps it isn't being used by them?
[21:47] <clivejo> yeah and vice versa
[21:47] <valorie> anyway, I'm going to go away from my keyboard and get ready to head out to my brother-in-law's for dinner
[21:47] <clivejo> Debian seems to be ahead of us at the moment
[21:47] <valorie> well, we've always used their packages
[21:47] <valorie> right
[21:48] <valorie> so those merges that Scarlett was doing would help a lot
[21:48] <clivejo> Maxy seems to be working hard
[21:48] <valorie> I'm hoping that we can get this all done in the next week, and start the new year with a bang
[21:48] <clivejo> getting all what done?
[21:48] <valorie> and then polish up our packaging documentation
[21:48] <valorie> all the stuff in the /topic
[21:49] <clivejo> eakk
[21:49] <valorie> we've got new people asking to help
[21:49] <valorie> but our docs suck, so they don't know where to start
[21:49] <clivejo> that ambitious!
[21:49] <valorie> maybe not all the apps
[21:50] <valorie> but at least the testing, and Plasma 5.5.2
[21:50] <clivejo> well Im stuck on kwin
[21:51] <valorie> that's a biggie for sure
[21:52] <clivejo> I think its quite simple
[21:52] <clivejo> I just cant get my head around it
[21:52] <soee> docs are alway the most important thing when working with any kind of deveoping, progrmming etc
[21:53] <clivejo> soee: I disagree
[21:53] <clivejo> an experienced and good mentor
[21:54] <clivejo> sometimes you can read docs until your eyes are sore, but just being told the solution in the context you are working in and it all comes together
[21:58] <clivejo> but I do think the KCC need to take the lead :P
[21:59] <clivejo> if someone shows an interest, net them quickly and get them communicating with the people who can help develop the skills
[22:05] <clivejo> people look at the website and see no activity since Jon "stood" down.  New people just see that as a community falling apart :(
[22:07]  * clivejo wanders off 
[22:45] <valorie> clivejo: point taken. I'm trying to do that, but we need all of us leading
[22:46] <valorie> soee: i agree that they are foundational
[22:46] <valorie> clivejo: I agree that hands-on is also fundamental
[22:46] <valorie> we need both, and right now, our docs aren't there for us