| daftykins | directhex: naaaaah s'all good :> | 00:49 |
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| daftykins | hi folks! | 01:56 |
| penguin42 | hey daftykins | 01:58 |
| daftykins | happy festivities sir o/ | 01:59 |
| penguin42 | and to you sir | 01:59 |
| daftykins | ^_^ ty | 01:59 |
| daftykins | aaah back in the house after a couple of pubs with a Carl Sagan video on the TV after being linked by a friend | 02:00 |
| penguin42 | the original cosmos series? | 02:01 |
| zmoylan-1i | i have that on dvd, loved it when it was first broadcast | 02:01 |
| zmoylan-1i | especially in later episode where he's talking about how to discover planets around distant stars when it hadn't been done yet | 02:02 |
| daftykins | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfm0GCvsIVA | 02:03 |
| daftykins | this one | 02:03 |
| penguin42 | oh it's not actual a Sagan one | 02:06 |
| daftykins | is it not? | 02:09 |
| daftykins | i should probably have read the info, but i got linked by my phone so i was just watching via the TV | 02:10 |
| daftykins | haha people coming into channels asking for help on Christmas Day, madness! | 02:13 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-1i: happy festivities to you o/ | 02:14 |
| penguin42 | well they probably just unwrapped their new toy, plugged the boot disk in and .... | 02:14 |
| zmoylan-1i | madness? this is santas day!! :-) | 02:14 |
| zmoylan-1i | and happy crimbo to all o/ | 02:15 |
| daftykins | :> | 02:15 |
| daftykins | https://imgur.com/gallery/gQ7vlYk | 02:27 |
| daftykins | "a drone was used to find this hidden glacial pool in the himalayas" | 02:28 |
| mapps | great | 03:27 |
| mapps | another year done | 03:27 |
| daftykins | gatsby, the? | 03:27 |
| daftykins | not yet! | 03:27 |
| daftykins | there's like a week! | 03:28 |
| mapps | just lost 800 at the casino | 03:28 |
| mapps | wish it hadnt happened | 03:28 |
| daftykins | oof, only way to win is not to play | 03:29 |
| mapps | sure | 03:29 |
| mapps | but i smoke..i drink,,,,i gambble | 03:30 |
| mapps | whats a working man meant to do | 03:30 |
| daftykins | workin' 9 to 5 ~ | 03:32 |
| mapps | its hard | 03:34 |
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| * penguin42 bets it got close to snow at some point; it was 2c according to the panel at about 3:30am | 12:45 | |
| zmoylan-pi | isn't that too cold for snow and more into hail territory? | 12:47 |
| penguin42 | not sure; but it means it's in the right ballpark | 12:47 |
| * zmoylan-pi lives near sea so it has to be just right for temp, salt air, moisture so we almost never see snow | 12:48 | |
| zmoylan-pi | lashing rain earlier so even if it did snow it wouldn't stick | 12:53 |
| zleap | zmoylan-pi: same here, we get snow higher up near me, and on cars or see it on cars that have come down towards sea level from higher ground | 12:57 |
| sebsebseb | hi | 16:36 |
| penguin42 | hey | 16:36 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: hi | 16:36 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: a bit of a rubbish Christams really, how's yours? | 16:37 |
| Myrtti | I got lots of nice things, weather is a bit pants but where isn't it this year? | 16:37 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: Well, I don't do it, so no problem; but I have discount chocolate panettone and I've been fitting cheap SSDs, so not bad | 16:38 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: oh yeah I think you might have told me before actsaully that you don't do Christmas, or that was somenone else | 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | what was that about chooclate? | 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | and SSD's into what? | 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | Myrtti: what did you get? | 16:41 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: Chocolate panettone; it's an Italian cake/bread - Netto are selling them cheap | 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | Myrtti: and uhmm Australlia and New Zealand will be nice at this tijme of year I guess usaully, but not aorund here sure | 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: oh right sounds ok :) | 16:42 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: and as for SSDs, I got a couple of the discount 120GB Sandisk bottom of the range; one in this old Core2 that I use for irc, and another in my dads machine | 16:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 16:42 |
| Myrtti | sebsebseb: nice compression socks, chocolate, cosmetics, sewing machine bits, Ticket to Ride UK extension, and in a parcel from Finland, aromated redbush teas, Moomin pillowcases, Finnish toothpaste, and a Moomin detangling hairbrush | 16:52 |
| penguin42 | oooh chocolate | 16:53 |
| Myrtti | talking of compression socks my favourite brand has now opened their webshop to customers from EU since I drove enough customers to their shop before Christmas | 16:54 |
| sebsebseb | Myrtti: ok you must have a lot of non direct family relatives then or something | 16:57 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: not had much chooclate this CHristams, there is some though | 16:58 |
| Myrtti | or they're just great | 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am older now anyway so | 16:58 |
| Myrtti | (the socks) | 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | Myrtti: Finnish toothpaste hmm, I been to Finland twice since finnish second cousins, but I woudn't have thought there's some sort of coplety diffneregt toothpaste there? | 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | completely different above | 16:59 |
| Myrtti | sebsebseb: lemon-mint xylitol-fluoride toothpaste 98% natural ingredients | 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | Myrtti: it has flouride in it though? | 17:01 |
| Myrtti | yup | 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | apparantly flouride actually may not be so good for us in toothpate and such, but well most toothpastes have it so | 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | Myrtti: yeah I was given a big toothpaste by someone to for Christmas heh, but not an exiteing one | 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | a flouride toothpaste to yes | 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | Myrtti: who sent you all those gifts :d | 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | you got a big family over in Finland etc? | 17:04 |
| Myrtti | sebsebseb: well my whole family, but the Finnish parcel wasn't that big | 17:04 |
| Myrtti | or expensive | 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 17:05 |
| * sebsebseb didn't really get anything that great this year, but that's what happens with direct family | 17:06 | |
| Myrtti | it was the socks I was most looking forward to | 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | always like that | 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | from what I can rememdber | 17:06 |
| penguin42 | Myrtti: What's so special about the socks? | 17:07 |
| * sebsebseb hopes it's still in the kitchen, there's this really nice chocolate thing I think still there :d, time to have some of that before soemone else gets there hands on it :d if it's still there | 17:08 | |
| sebsebseb | I like forgot about that, then remembered a little while ago heh | 17:08 |
| penguin42 | what type of thing? | 17:09 |
| Myrtti | penguin42: 20 mmHg compression at the ankle and 15 mm Hg near the knee, and they look awesome enough to be worn daily should you so wish (and I do) | 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: it's SWedish actsually | 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: can buy them in Ikea | 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | tend to have them at Christmas | 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | kind of thing you woudn't want to eat to much of at once as well of, or you'll probably feel a bit sick really | 17:09 |
| Myrtti | http://nabeesocks.com/ | 17:09 |
| penguin42 | Myrtti: Any particular reason for them? | 17:09 |
| Myrtti | penguin42: I was unfortunate enough to inherit higher risk for VTE/DVT from both my parents | 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: it's like a tradinal Swedish thing to have at Christmas | 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | altough could have at other times of the year to of course | 17:11 |
| penguin42 | Myrtti: Ah, well, we're all unfortunate enough to inherit something | 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | can either buy in shops that sell them, or make own, making own is good too done that as a kid :d | 17:11 |
| penguin42 | sebsebseb: Sounds good | 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | penguin42: yes chocolate balls :d | 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | Myrtti: you got those in Finland to? | 17:11 |
| Myrtti | penguin42: general population has the risk of 0.001, I've got 80 fold to that even without being fat and other stuff I've got. | 17:12 |
| penguin42 | Myrtti: Nod | 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | 2016 the year of desktop Linux :D heh heh or not | 17:14 |
| penguin42 | Myrtti: Does the compression stuff solve most of it or do you have to take thinners as well and get regular tests etc? | 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | 2016 the year of the Ubuntu Phone becoming much more popular yeah maybe | 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | less than a week to go | 17:15 |
| Myrtti | penguin42: I need injections for special occasions | 17:33 |
| Myrtti | but as I've not actually been diagnosed with an thrombosis, I'm not being treated as a patient | 17:34 |
| penguin42 | nod | 17:43 |
| daftykins | merry christmas folks o/ | 17:56 |
| penguin42 | hey daftykins | 17:56 |
| daftykins | are we all heavily stuffed with food? :> | 18:03 |
| daftykins | merry christmas popey sir o/ | 19:44 |
| popey | Happy Christmas daftykins ! | 19:49 |
| daftykins | hope you're having a good day ^_^ | 19:49 |
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| popey | i was until youtube terminated an account | 19:59 |
| daftykins | D: | 19:59 |
| daftykins | that's mean | 19:59 |
| penguin42 | popey: Yeh that's messy; I'm not sure how you can do anything useful with that - other than going up to google london offices with a tray of mince pies | 20:00 |
| popey | hah | 20:00 |
| popey | there is a contact form used for disabled accounts | 20:00 |
| popey | filled it in, am expecting nothing | 20:00 |
| penguin42 | popey: Is it one of multiple youtube accounts you have - e.g. a work/personal/blog specific one? | 20:01 |
| daftykins | something been canned on grounds of copyright infringement or some other jazz, or no reason given? | 20:01 |
| popey | it's completely separate from everything, a different gmail account | 20:01 |
| popey | "The YouTube community flagged one or more of your videos as inappropriate. After reviewing the content, we’ve determined that the videos violate our Community Guidelines. As a result, we removed the following videos from YouTube" | 20:02 |
| popey | 30 mins after they were active | 20:02 |
| penguin42 | popey: Hmm yes, I was going to suggest if they were part of a company account then you've probably got a company interface for google company accounts | 20:02 |
| popey | yeah, sadly not | 20:03 |
| penguin42 | still, it might be worth trying the contact if you don't get anywhere | 20:03 |
| popey | yeah, I'll ask our internal IS people, good suggestion | 20:03 |
| popey | not sure they will want to, potentially abusing that relationship | 20:03 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 20:04 |
| penguin42 | popey: It might be worth asking how you're supposed to do things for that type of project; because there are people who get verified-user status and the like, and since it's associated with the firm there might be something that's possible | 20:08 |
| daftykins | wow my mums just seen something from a friend that some ferrero rocher were filled with moth larvae O_O | 20:14 |
| daftykins | customer services say it's quite common | 20:14 |
| penguin42 | weird | 20:14 |
| penguin42 | something to do with the nut? | 20:14 |
| daftykins | not sure | 20:15 |
| daftykins | fedora server coming with a web admin out of the box is odd to me - https://www.dropbox.com/s/vh6df33rr0rd3rt/fedora.png?dl=0 | 20:16 |
| penguin42 | http://www.snopes.com/ferrero-rocher-chocolates-maggots-video/ | 20:16 |
| penguin42 | (partially true!) | 20:16 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Ah the cockpit stuff? | 20:16 |
| daftykins | hmm guess the old girl is just reading old rubbish someones reposting then! | 20:18 |
| daftykins | penguin42: not a clue on it yet, only just installed for fun | 20:18 |
| daftykins | we had someone come in moaning that ubuntu doesn't use HTTPS on the download page | 20:18 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Yeh, that thing is called cockpit; it uses the same login path as any session so is supposed to be like having ssh or the like open; but yeh I find it a little odd | 20:19 |
| daftykins | i thought i'd check out the download page of other distros, sure enough the page for fedora is far nicer, showing verification methods as a link right there whilst it's downloading too | 20:19 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: http://cockpit-project.org/ | 20:19 |
| daftykins | ty sir | 20:20 |
| daftykins | mmm asking for trouble imo | 20:21 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Yeh | 20:23 |
| daftykins | feel so out of my depth on a distro i don't know XD | 20:28 |
| penguin42 | it's good to compare | 20:30 |
| daftykins | mmm | 20:31 |
| popey | i installed fedora, debian, arch (antergos) and opensuse leap a week or so ago | 20:33 |
| popey | quite a difference in all the installers | 20:33 |
| popey | took a while to get used to the OK/CANCEL buttons on fedora one being way up the top of the screen | 20:33 |
| popey | opensuse installer took an a g e to get going | 20:33 |
| popey | antergos installer refuses to start until it does an OTA update | 20:34 |
| popey | and debian was well.. debian :) | 20:34 |
| penguin42 | what's antergos? | 20:34 |
| daftykins | popey: yeah i kept trying to find where to advance XD top left seems totally illogical | 20:34 |
| daftykins | LVM and XFS defaults too, quirky | 20:34 |
| popey | antergos is arch with a nice installer | 20:34 |
| popey | opensuse defaults to btrfs :) | 20:35 |
| popey | dialling the quirky to max :) | 20:35 |
| penguin42 | popey: Ah, interesting - some distros have this weird 'real men don't need installers' thing - which while true is annoying after your first 20 years or so installing Linux | 20:35 |
| popey | yes, arch has that | 20:35 |
| popey | they have a wiki | 20:35 |
| penguin42 | their wiki is excellent | 20:36 |
| popey | arch users often look down on antergos and other "arch with an installer" distros | 20:36 |
| daftykins | i call them all ricers and imo quite rightly so | 20:36 |
| daftykins | arch is like the new gentoo in that regard | 20:36 |
| popey | yeah | 20:36 |
| popey | http://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/ of course... | 20:36 |
| popey | (made by an ubuntu user [at the time] who now works for canonical) | 20:37 |
| penguin42 | arch has an interesting thing that they do push towards the latest way of doing anything; which is certainly interesting | 20:37 |
| daftykins | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1529280 | 20:37 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1529280 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu site and release domain lacks SSL" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:37 |
| daftykins | here's the one from earlier | 20:37 |
| popey | i don't think that will be fixed | 20:38 |
| popey | given we have many mirrors which aren't https | 20:38 |
| penguin42 | popey: But you should have it for getting to the list of mirrors and the ones that have the sums/keys | 20:39 |
| directhex | i'd like apt transport https installed by default | 20:39 |
| popey | we do | 20:39 |
| popey | that would be neat, unlikely to be fixed for 16.04 | 20:39 |
| popey | actually, can't be | 20:39 |
| popey | because again, the mirrors | 20:39 |
| daftykins | i think the page you see when the download starts should have links for how to hash and so on though | 20:39 |
| daftykins | like fedora has | 20:40 |
| popey | Ubuntu target market is somewhat different | 20:40 |
| popey | I'd argue many of them don't know/care about that | 20:41 |
| popey | useful as it is | 20:41 |
| penguin42 | popey: but not being able to find it easily is very odd | 20:41 |
| popey | first hit on google :) | 20:41 |
| popey | or was, last time I searched | 20:41 |
| penguin42 | and the whole path to the download isn't https | 20:41 |
| daftykins | i see your point, but i don't think there's harm in a verify link being there (even for server, with arguably folk would know what they're doing with) | 20:41 |
| penguin42 | popey: If you got to the download via https you could almost make the argument; but you really don't know what you're getting | 20:42 |
| daftykins | s/with/which/ | 20:42 |
| popey | yeah, the whole process needs reviewing | 20:42 |
| popey | vast majority of iso downloads come from mirrors and cdn AIUI | 20:42 |
| daftykins | i might add my suggestion and see if it goes anywhere, i don't know how bugs work though to know if the right people are going to see it as-is | 20:42 |
| popey | nobody will see that bug | 20:43 |
| penguin42 | there's a bug target for website stuff isn't there that it should be changed to? | 20:43 |
| popey | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content is where it should be filed | 20:43 |
| * popey adds a task to the bug | 20:44 | |
| popey | remind me when we get back to work after xmas and I'll speak to the web team about it | 20:44 |
| popey | get some feedback from them at least. | 20:45 |
| daftykins | ty sir - i did consider that guy a bit of a tinfoiler but it also doesn't seem that big a deal to look into, at least | 20:45 |
| penguin42 | the other odd thing I find is that it doesnt' tend to actually giveme my nearest/fastest mirror | 20:46 |
| daftykins | yeah | 20:46 |
| penguin42 | for me it always ends up as gb.archive.ubuntu.com when bytemark is miles faster for me | 20:46 |
| daftykins | oh package mirror | 20:47 |
| daftykins | mmm, i bet a lot aren't even really anywhere else | 20:47 |
| popey | i tend to use de.archive.ubuntu.com | 20:47 |
| popey | I find that faster than most UK mirrors | 20:47 |
| penguin42 | haha really? | 20:47 |
| popey | yeah | 20:48 |
| popey | the gb one is the central one for countries that don't have a mirror | 20:48 |
| popey | so it gets overloaded | 20:48 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 20:48 |
| penguin42 | popey: mirror.bytemark.co.uk normally saturates my cable | 20:48 |
| popey | e.g. USA doesn't have a us mirror, so us.a.u.c points to a.u.c which some of the gb.a.u.c pool point at | 20:48 |
| popey | nice! | 20:48 |
| popey | might try that then | 20:49 |
| penguin42 | and the bytemark guys are nice people | 20:49 |
| popey | true :) | 20:49 |
| penguin42 | it's only ~12ms ping time for me from my cable | 20:49 |
| daftykins | do they get updates quickly too? | 20:51 |
| popey | directhex, have valve said anything about steam? | 20:52 |
| directhex | no | 20:52 |
| directhex | but it's ON FIRE RUN AWAAAAY right now, for reals | 20:52 |
| daftykins | wussat? or is it secret (: | 20:52 |
| popey | I'm seeing carrotunicorn17's account at https://store.steampowered.com/account/ | 20:53 |
| popey | so, https not so useful after all if the backend is busted completely | 20:53 |
| penguin42 | popey: I see mention of https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/3y7le9/im_logged_in_as_someone_random_on_steam/ | 20:53 |
| popey | i see mine now directhex | 20:55 |
| popey | bah, now someone elses | 20:56 |
| penguin42 | they're saying not to use the store at the moment | 20:56 |
| daftykins | messy | 20:57 |
| daftykins | feeling very justified in never allowing Steam to store a payment method :) | 20:59 |
| popey | yeah, i dont store mine in steam either | 21:01 |
| popey | but other places have it... | 21:01 |
| penguin42 | shrug that's what cc is for, I'm sure steam is about to have an interesting conversation with their merchant | 21:05 |
| daftykins | well i've only ever used debit cards | 21:07 |
| penguin42 | debitcard on the internet?! are you mad?! | 21:08 |
| daftykins | yep | 21:08 |
| daftykins | no concern imo :) | 21:08 |
| penguin42 | at least with cc you've got some comeback | 21:08 |
| daftykins | or maybe i've just been lucky | 21:08 |
| directhex | yeah, if you get scammed with a debit card, it's your problem | 21:14 |
| directhex | scammed with credit, you can just refuse to pay for that item, and it's the CC company's problem to recover the money from the scammer | 21:14 |
| daftykins | hrmm. | 21:15 |
| daftykins | i wonder, old girl reckons debit cards have some element of protection these days too | 21:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | they're supposed to on paper but i haven't heard many success stories | 21:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | ...but that might be it's used less than credit cards... | 21:21 |
| daftykins | mmm | 21:27 |
| pwaring | If someone charges your debit card fradulently, your bank should refund you | 21:36 |
| pwaring | How much hassle that will be depends on whether you feel lucky or not | 21:37 |
| daftykins | i did laugh at a mate who works at a bank, who claimed they would *always* do the honourable thing if your account was compromised in some way following a failure with the security features on a card (such as the contactless payment) | 21:38 |
| penguin42 | yeh right | 21:39 |
| pwaring | In theory they should | 21:39 |
| pwaring | In practice they don't :) | 21:39 |
| pwaring | But generally if the bank refuses to cough up the onus is on them to prove that you acted negligently (e.g. writing your PIN down) | 21:39 |
| * pwaring pays by CC so that in the meantime it's the bank's money not his | 21:40 | |
| popey | oh yay, they shut steam down | 21:41 |
| penguin42 | yeh the steam guys aren't going to be having a restful christmas by the looks of it | 21:43 |
| * pwaring wonders if tehy added extra caching to cope with the 'oh look, Steam machine for Christmas' demand | 21:45 | |
| daftykins | there's demand for that? ;) | 21:45 |
| penguin42 | pwaring: They did say initially it was a caching problem; but erm that's one hell of a problem | 21:45 |
| * pwaring remembers something like this happening at college | 21:45 | |
| pwaring | If you logged into a site and then someone else visited the same site, they saw your front page | 21:45 |
| pwaring | But they didn't have a session cookie so they couldn't do anything | 21:46 |
| daftykins | yeah that rings a bell to me too | 21:46 |
| pwaring | This was at the intranet proxy cache rather than site level though | 21:46 |
| * popey boggles at TV Adverts for Clash of Clans featuring Christophe Waltz. | 23:06 | |
| popey | Wonder how much they paid for that | 23:06 |
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