[00:49] directhex: naaaaah s'all good :> === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:56] hi folks! [01:58] hey daftykins [01:59] happy festivities sir o/ [01:59] and to you sir [01:59] ^_^ ty [02:00] aaah back in the house after a couple of pubs with a Carl Sagan video on the TV after being linked by a friend [02:01] the original cosmos series? [02:01] i have that on dvd, loved it when it was first broadcast [02:02] especially in later episode where he's talking about how to discover planets around distant stars when it hadn't been done yet [02:03] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfm0GCvsIVA [02:03] this one [02:06] oh it's not actual a Sagan one [02:09] is it not? [02:10] i should probably have read the info, but i got linked by my phone so i was just watching via the TV [02:13] haha people coming into channels asking for help on Christmas Day, madness! [02:14] zmoylan-1i: happy festivities to you o/ [02:14] well they probably just unwrapped their new toy, plugged the boot disk in and .... [02:14] madness? this is santas day!! :-) [02:15] and happy crimbo to all o/ [02:15] :> [02:27] https://imgur.com/gallery/gQ7vlYk [02:28] "a drone was used to find this hidden glacial pool in the himalayas" [03:27] great [03:27] another year done [03:27] gatsby, the? [03:27] not yet! [03:28] there's like a week! [03:28] just lost 800 at the casino [03:28] wish it hadnt happened [03:29] oof, only way to win is not to play [03:29] sure [03:30] but i smoke..i drink,,,,i gambble [03:30] whats a working man meant to do [03:32] workin' 9 to 5 ~ [03:34] its hard === mapp is now known as mapppps === mapppps is now known as appps === appps is now known as mappps === mappps is now known as mappppps === mappppps is now known as mappps === mappps is now known as mapppps === mapppps is now known as mappps === mappps is now known as mapppps === mapppps is now known as mappps === mappps is now known as mapps === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:45] * penguin42 bets it got close to snow at some point; it was 2c according to the panel at about 3:30am [12:47] isn't that too cold for snow and more into hail territory? [12:47] not sure; but it means it's in the right ballpark [12:48] * zmoylan-pi lives near sea so it has to be just right for temp, salt air, moisture so we almost never see snow [12:53] lashing rain earlier so even if it did snow it wouldn't stick [12:57] zmoylan-pi: same here, we get snow higher up near me, and on cars or see it on cars that have come down towards sea level from higher ground [16:36] hi [16:36] hey [16:36] penguin42: hi [16:37] penguin42: a bit of a rubbish Christams really, how's yours? [16:37] I got lots of nice things, weather is a bit pants but where isn't it this year? [16:38] sebsebseb: Well, I don't do it, so no problem; but I have discount chocolate panettone and I've been fitting cheap SSDs, so not bad [16:41] penguin42: oh yeah I think you might have told me before actsaully that you don't do Christmas, or that was somenone else [16:41] what was that about chooclate? [16:41] and SSD's into what? [16:41] Myrtti: what did you get? [16:41] sebsebseb: Chocolate panettone; it's an Italian cake/bread - Netto are selling them cheap [16:41] Myrtti: and uhmm Australlia and New Zealand will be nice at this tijme of year I guess usaully, but not aorund here sure [16:42] penguin42: oh right sounds ok :) [16:42] sebsebseb: and as for SSDs, I got a couple of the discount 120GB Sandisk bottom of the range; one in this old Core2 that I use for irc, and another in my dads machine [16:42] oh ok [16:52] sebsebseb: nice compression socks, chocolate, cosmetics, sewing machine bits, Ticket to Ride UK extension, and in a parcel from Finland, aromated redbush teas, Moomin pillowcases, Finnish toothpaste, and a Moomin detangling hairbrush [16:53] oooh chocolate [16:54] talking of compression socks my favourite brand has now opened their webshop to customers from EU since I drove enough customers to their shop before Christmas [16:57] Myrtti: ok you must have a lot of non direct family relatives then or something [16:58] penguin42: not had much chooclate this CHristams, there is some though [16:58] or they're just great [16:58] ,but I am older now anyway so [16:58] (the socks) [16:59] Myrtti: Finnish toothpaste hmm, I been to Finland twice since finnish second cousins, but I woudn't have thought there's some sort of coplety diffneregt toothpaste there? [16:59] completely different above [17:01] sebsebseb: lemon-mint xylitol-fluoride toothpaste 98% natural ingredients [17:01] Myrtti: it has flouride in it though? [17:01] yup [17:02] apparantly flouride actually may not be so good for us in toothpate and such, but well most toothpastes have it so [17:02] Myrtti: yeah I was given a big toothpaste by someone to for Christmas heh, but not an exiteing one [17:02] a flouride toothpaste to yes [17:03] Myrtti: who sent you all those gifts :d [17:04] you got a big family over in Finland etc? [17:04] sebsebseb: well my whole family, but the Finnish parcel wasn't that big [17:04] or expensive [17:05] oh ok [17:06] * sebsebseb didn't really get anything that great this year, but that's what happens with direct family [17:06] it was the socks I was most looking forward to [17:06] always like that [17:06] from what I can rememdber [17:07] Myrtti: What's so special about the socks? [17:08] * sebsebseb hopes it's still in the kitchen, there's this really nice chocolate thing I think still there :d, time to have some of that before soemone else gets there hands on it :d if it's still there [17:08] I like forgot about that, then remembered a little while ago heh [17:09] what type of thing? [17:09] penguin42: 20 mmHg compression at the ankle and 15 mm Hg near the knee, and they look awesome enough to be worn daily should you so wish (and I do) [17:09] penguin42: it's SWedish actsually [17:09] penguin42: can buy them in Ikea [17:09] tend to have them at Christmas [17:09] kind of thing you woudn't want to eat to much of at once as well of, or you'll probably feel a bit sick really [17:09] http://nabeesocks.com/ [17:09] Myrtti: Any particular reason for them? [17:10] penguin42: I was unfortunate enough to inherit higher risk for VTE/DVT from both my parents [17:10] penguin42: it's like a tradinal Swedish thing to have at Christmas [17:11] altough could have at other times of the year to of course [17:11] Myrtti: Ah, well, we're all unfortunate enough to inherit something [17:11] can either buy in shops that sell them, or make own, making own is good too done that as a kid :d [17:11] sebsebseb: Sounds good [17:11] penguin42: yes chocolate balls :d [17:11] Myrtti: you got those in Finland to? [17:12] penguin42: general population has the risk of 0.001, I've got 80 fold to that even without being fat and other stuff I've got. [17:12] Myrtti: Nod [17:14] 2016 the year of desktop Linux :D heh heh or not [17:14] Myrtti: Does the compression stuff solve most of it or do you have to take thinners as well and get regular tests etc? [17:14] 2016 the year of the Ubuntu Phone becoming much more popular yeah maybe [17:15] less than a week to go [17:33] penguin42: I need injections for special occasions [17:34] but as I've not actually been diagnosed with an thrombosis, I'm not being treated as a patient [17:43] nod [17:56] merry christmas folks o/ [17:56] hey daftykins [18:03] are we all heavily stuffed with food? :> [19:44] merry christmas popey sir o/ [19:49] Happy Christmas daftykins ! [19:49] hope you're having a good day ^_^ === christelmas is now known as christel [19:59] i was until youtube terminated an account [19:59] D: [19:59] that's mean [20:00] popey: Yeh that's messy; I'm not sure how you can do anything useful with that - other than going up to google london offices with a tray of mince pies [20:00] hah [20:00] there is a contact form used for disabled accounts [20:00] filled it in, am expecting nothing [20:01] popey: Is it one of multiple youtube accounts you have - e.g. a work/personal/blog specific one? [20:01] something been canned on grounds of copyright infringement or some other jazz, or no reason given? [20:01] it's completely separate from everything, a different gmail account [20:02] "The YouTube community flagged one or more of your videos as inappropriate. After reviewing the content, we’ve determined that the videos violate our Community Guidelines. As a result, we removed the following videos from YouTube" [20:02] 30 mins after they were active [20:02] popey: Hmm yes, I was going to suggest if they were part of a company account then you've probably got a company interface for google company accounts [20:03] yeah, sadly not [20:03] still, it might be worth trying the contact if you don't get anywhere [20:03] yeah, I'll ask our internal IS people, good suggestion [20:03] not sure they will want to, potentially abusing that relationship [20:04] yeh [20:08] popey: It might be worth asking how you're supposed to do things for that type of project; because there are people who get verified-user status and the like, and since it's associated with the firm there might be something that's possible [20:14] wow my mums just seen something from a friend that some ferrero rocher were filled with moth larvae O_O [20:14] customer services say it's quite common [20:14] weird [20:14] something to do with the nut? [20:15] not sure [20:16] fedora server coming with a web admin out of the box is odd to me - https://www.dropbox.com/s/vh6df33rr0rd3rt/fedora.png?dl=0 [20:16] http://www.snopes.com/ferrero-rocher-chocolates-maggots-video/ [20:16] (partially true!) [20:16] daftykins: Ah the cockpit stuff? [20:18] hmm guess the old girl is just reading old rubbish someones reposting then! [20:18] penguin42: not a clue on it yet, only just installed for fun [20:18] we had someone come in moaning that ubuntu doesn't use HTTPS on the download page [20:19] daftykins: Yeh, that thing is called cockpit; it uses the same login path as any session so is supposed to be like having ssh or the like open; but yeh I find it a little odd [20:19] i thought i'd check out the download page of other distros, sure enough the page for fedora is far nicer, showing verification methods as a link right there whilst it's downloading too [20:19] daftykins: http://cockpit-project.org/ [20:20] ty sir [20:21] mmm asking for trouble imo [20:23] daftykins: Yeh [20:28] feel so out of my depth on a distro i don't know XD [20:30] it's good to compare [20:31] mmm [20:33] i installed fedora, debian, arch (antergos) and opensuse leap a week or so ago [20:33] quite a difference in all the installers [20:33] took a while to get used to the OK/CANCEL buttons on fedora one being way up the top of the screen [20:33] opensuse installer took an a g e to get going [20:34] antergos installer refuses to start until it does an OTA update [20:34] and debian was well.. debian :) [20:34] what's antergos? [20:34] popey: yeah i kept trying to find where to advance XD top left seems totally illogical [20:34] LVM and XFS defaults too, quirky [20:34] antergos is arch with a nice installer [20:35] opensuse defaults to btrfs :) [20:35] dialling the quirky to max :) [20:35] popey: Ah, interesting - some distros have this weird 'real men don't need installers' thing - which while true is annoying after your first 20 years or so installing Linux [20:35] yes, arch has that [20:35] they have a wiki [20:36] their wiki is excellent [20:36] arch users often look down on antergos and other "arch with an installer" distros [20:36] i call them all ricers and imo quite rightly so [20:36] arch is like the new gentoo in that regard [20:36] yeah [20:36] http://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/ of course... [20:37] (made by an ubuntu user [at the time] who now works for canonical) [20:37] arch has an interesting thing that they do push towards the latest way of doing anything; which is certainly interesting [20:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1529280 [20:37] Ubuntu bug 1529280 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu site and release domain lacks SSL" [Undecided,Confirmed] [20:37] here's the one from earlier [20:38] i don't think that will be fixed [20:38] given we have many mirrors which aren't https [20:39] popey: But you should have it for getting to the list of mirrors and the ones that have the sums/keys [20:39] i'd like apt transport https installed by default [20:39] we do [20:39] that would be neat, unlikely to be fixed for 16.04 [20:39] actually, can't be [20:39] because again, the mirrors [20:39] i think the page you see when the download starts should have links for how to hash and so on though [20:40] like fedora has [20:40] Ubuntu target market is somewhat different [20:41] I'd argue many of them don't know/care about that [20:41] useful as it is [20:41] popey: but not being able to find it easily is very odd [20:41] first hit on google :) [20:41] or was, last time I searched [20:41] and the whole path to the download isn't https [20:41] i see your point, but i don't think there's harm in a verify link being there (even for server, with arguably folk would know what they're doing with) [20:42] popey: If you got to the download via https you could almost make the argument; but you really don't know what you're getting [20:42] s/with/which/ [20:42] yeah, the whole process needs reviewing [20:42] vast majority of iso downloads come from mirrors and cdn AIUI [20:42] i might add my suggestion and see if it goes anywhere, i don't know how bugs work though to know if the right people are going to see it as-is [20:43] nobody will see that bug [20:43] there's a bug target for website stuff isn't there that it should be changed to? [20:43] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content is where it should be filed [20:44] * popey adds a task to the bug [20:44] remind me when we get back to work after xmas and I'll speak to the web team about it [20:45] get some feedback from them at least. [20:45] ty sir - i did consider that guy a bit of a tinfoiler but it also doesn't seem that big a deal to look into, at least [20:46] the other odd thing I find is that it doesnt' tend to actually giveme my nearest/fastest mirror [20:46] yeah [20:46] for me it always ends up as gb.archive.ubuntu.com when bytemark is miles faster for me [20:47] oh package mirror [20:47] mmm, i bet a lot aren't even really anywhere else [20:47] i tend to use de.archive.ubuntu.com [20:47] I find that faster than most UK mirrors [20:47] haha really? [20:48] yeah [20:48] the gb one is the central one for countries that don't have a mirror [20:48] so it gets overloaded [20:48] yeh [20:48] popey: mirror.bytemark.co.uk normally saturates my cable [20:48] e.g. USA doesn't have a us mirror, so us.a.u.c points to a.u.c which some of the gb.a.u.c pool point at [20:48] nice! [20:49] might try that then [20:49] and the bytemark guys are nice people [20:49] true :) [20:49] it's only ~12ms ping time for me from my cable [20:51] do they get updates quickly too? [20:52] directhex, have valve said anything about steam? [20:52] no [20:52] but it's ON FIRE RUN AWAAAAY right now, for reals [20:52] wussat? or is it secret (: [20:53] I'm seeing carrotunicorn17's account at https://store.steampowered.com/account/ [20:53] so, https not so useful after all if the backend is busted completely [20:53] popey: I see mention of https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/3y7le9/im_logged_in_as_someone_random_on_steam/ [20:55] i see mine now directhex [20:56] bah, now someone elses [20:56] they're saying not to use the store at the moment [20:57] messy [20:59] feeling very justified in never allowing Steam to store a payment method :) [21:01] yeah, i dont store mine in steam either [21:01] but other places have it... [21:05] shrug that's what cc is for, I'm sure steam is about to have an interesting conversation with their merchant [21:07] well i've only ever used debit cards [21:08] debitcard on the internet?! are you mad?! [21:08] yep [21:08] no concern imo :) [21:08] at least with cc you've got some comeback [21:08] or maybe i've just been lucky [21:14] yeah, if you get scammed with a debit card, it's your problem [21:14] scammed with credit, you can just refuse to pay for that item, and it's the CC company's problem to recover the money from the scammer [21:15] hrmm. [21:16] i wonder, old girl reckons debit cards have some element of protection these days too [21:18] they're supposed to on paper but i haven't heard many success stories [21:21] ...but that might be it's used less than credit cards... [21:27] mmm [21:36] If someone charges your debit card fradulently, your bank should refund you [21:37] How much hassle that will be depends on whether you feel lucky or not [21:38] i did laugh at a mate who works at a bank, who claimed they would *always* do the honourable thing if your account was compromised in some way following a failure with the security features on a card (such as the contactless payment) [21:39] yeh right [21:39] In theory they should [21:39] In practice they don't :) [21:39] But generally if the bank refuses to cough up the onus is on them to prove that you acted negligently (e.g. writing your PIN down) [21:40] * pwaring pays by CC so that in the meantime it's the bank's money not his [21:41] oh yay, they shut steam down [21:43] yeh the steam guys aren't going to be having a restful christmas by the looks of it [21:45] * pwaring wonders if tehy added extra caching to cope with the 'oh look, Steam machine for Christmas' demand [21:45] there's demand for that? ;) [21:45] pwaring: They did say initially it was a caching problem; but erm that's one hell of a problem [21:45] * pwaring remembers something like this happening at college [21:45] If you logged into a site and then someone else visited the same site, they saw your front page [21:46] But they didn't have a session cookie so they couldn't do anything [21:46] yeah that rings a bell to me too [21:46] This was at the intranet proxy cache rather than site level though [23:06] * popey boggles at TV Adverts for Clash of Clans featuring Christophe Waltz. [23:06] Wonder how much they paid for that === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Christmasiumn is now known as Xack