[05:11] <lotuspsychje> good mor,ing to all
[05:13] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: o/ . Dead slow in channel .
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> hey mate had good xmass?
[05:14] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yes, and no . // Not a thing I any longer engage in .
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> ah ok
[05:17] <Bashing-om> commercialisum ! Just not in my believe as a "Christian" thing to do .
[05:17] <slidinghorn> So I think I might have found the issue for a wifi problem I was having.  Wasn't able to get any logs, but just tried something different in a configuration, and it worked :)
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: what did you do exactly mate
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> chipset/ubuntu version?
[05:20] <slidinghorn> I'd been entering the MAC manually in nm-connection-editor and I couldn't connect to any WPA network other than the original one set up by Ubuntu when I installed.  Left that bit out this time and it came right up! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2306665
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Christmas-Hole
[05:20] <slidinghorn> Waiting for a chance to try again on another network before I mark it solved
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: wich wifi chipset is that
[05:24] <slidinghorn> Realtek RTL8188EE
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: sure its not a firmware version issue?
[05:25] <slidinghorn> Well I was able to connect to a "new" WPA network, so I think it's good.  I haven't checked the firmware though.
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: most realteks get solved on users here, bu updating newer firmwares
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> wifi drops, bad ssid connections,etc
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: just keep it in mind, if you couldnt solve :p
[05:30] <slidinghorn> I'll take a look into that.  I have noticed that it does tend to drop a bit, but it's usually only when I'm a good distance from the router
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: how far away from router?
[05:32] <slidinghorn> upstairs, through several walls & about 30'
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> ah
[05:33] <slidinghorn> it's a crap shoot sometimes ;)
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: buy devolo device that uses in house electricity lines
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> or ask for xmass :p
[05:39] <slidinghorn> That would have been a good idea...
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> slidinghorn: i have one myself for 50 euro, but cable version only no wifi
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning cfhowlett
[05:56] <cfhowlett> howdy lotuspsychje
[06:36] <Bashing-om> Eyes are crossing, brain is warped .... time to quit .
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: nite nite mate
[06:37] <Bashing-om> outa here ! Later guys .
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: all ok mate?
[08:42] <EriC^^> yup
[08:42] <EriC^^> you?
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> fine tnx, alot of food lol
[08:43] <EriC^^> :D
[08:43] <EriC^^> http://openterm.tk
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: wow nice!
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe add a number for dependecy issues also?
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> apt-get update/upgrade issues
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> dpkg
[08:46] <EriC^^> yeah, ppa stuff
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you dont mention on the site you created this?
[08:47] <EriC^^> no
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:47] <EriC^^> maybe i'll put an about page later
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> ok cool, would be nice the world can contact you about this
[08:48] <EriC^^> it's still pretty rough and there's a lot of stuff to add
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: basics are neat already and very helpful
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: does the server see ip's connected to openterm?
[08:51] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:52] <EriC^^> i want to add something that changes the color of the terminal, so a person knows he has a live terminal open
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> maybe also mention that on site for privacy issues perhaps?
[08:52] <EriC^^> like in case he has 2 open and he mixes up between them
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe mess with solarized?
[08:53] <EriC^^> i was trying to change the prompt wasn't working much
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized
[08:54] <EriC^^> i put a timer initially that mentions it after like 2mins but only if he runs a long command, so it's not instrusive while he's typing something
[08:54] <EriC^^> still though there's the problem of mixing up between terminals easily
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: another idea for login loop, perhaps the lightdm logs also?
[08:59] <EriC^^> yeah i should probably mention the ip's get logged and tell people not to use it for something malicious
[08:59] <EriC^^> yeah that's a good idea
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah make a clean disclaimer of sort
[08:59] <EriC^^> it'll require sudo though to get them
[09:00] <EriC^^> i'm planning to add something though
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://www.campustravel.com/disclaimer.htm
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> example on ip here
[09:00] <EriC^^> i want to add a way you can paste stuff from the live terminal to the logs above, so it's easier for someone following to have everything organized
[09:01] <EriC^^> like you run command | addabove
[09:01] <EriC^^> and it goes to the logs above at the end
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> cool idea also
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: or maybe a fallback to main menu after the link?
[09:03] <EriC^^> that'd be nice
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: if a user chooses 3 grub issues [09:03] <lotuspsychje> so the user can have 2 or more situations in same terminal
[09:04] <EriC^^> that's neat!
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> not sure howto do this ofcourse lol
[09:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[09:05] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[09:05] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, EriC^^. Merry Christmas ;)
[09:05] <EriC^^> thanks, you too :)
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> merry xmass to you lordievader
[09:05] <lordievader> :)
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: after the 2nd menu fallback users can still type exit, would be perfect :p
[09:08] <EriC^^> you mean not start a live terminal?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: then add more of your ideas to main menu 6,7,..
[09:08] <EriC^^> i was thinking that would be nice cause maybe somebody doesn't want to start one
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: if they dont want it, they wont choose it right
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i just mean after a link is created, to fallback to menu again, to be able to choose something else
[09:10] <EriC^^> so like menu1 ---> then menu1 again, if they want to exit and paste them they can, if they want to paste them and start a live terminal they can
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> yep
[09:10] <EriC^^> and then also from the live terminal they can pop the menu up and add a set of the logs above
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> yes
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: a users problem, might need 2 or more pastes from the main menu, would be perfect
[09:11] <EriC^^> lol, i'm never going to see the sun again
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: its winter now
[09:11] <EriC^^> lol
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> tux in the cave :p
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ah wait
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe instead of exit, type 7 to go back to main menu
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: then a user can exit from menu also
[09:14] <EriC^^> you mean without pasting anything right?
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> now it says type exit...
[09:15] <EriC^^> that's for the live terminal
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> ah
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: and 6 to quit menu right
[09:15] <EriC^^> yup
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: think its better 1 terminal for 1 problem then
[09:18] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:18] <EriC^^> i was thinking not often people are going to have multiple issues
[09:18] <EriC^^> letting a menu pop up in the live terminal would be great though
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: if they have wifi issues, they will re-ask a new line anyway, and we start new openterm link
[09:19] <EriC^^> like if something comes up or they need a bunch of logs pasted they can do that
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah would be nice
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: maybe menu item for wifi/network issues also?
[09:19] <EriC^^> i also want to add some stuff to the normal pastebin
[09:19] <EriC^^> btw it's at | nc openterm.tk 9
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> kk
[09:20] <EriC^^> so like sudo parted -l | nc openterm.tk 9
[09:20] <EriC^^> yeah for sure
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> http://openterm.tk/us41h/ nice
[09:20] <EriC^^> i want to add like some way a user if it's the same one he can add pastes to the same page
[09:21] <EriC^^> like in case he just wants to paste stuff, or somebody is helping and he wanted to add something
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so we have to re-new the link to see added pastes?
[09:21] <EriC^^> like if he's pasted before recently it asks if he wants to add to the same page, presses y it's added
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> ah yes
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> that would be real 'live' feeling :p
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but it wont generate new link adress right? same url?
[09:22] <EriC^^> yup
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so at the helpers end==>refresh url
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> and we kinda know what were doing so :p
[09:23] <EriC^^> it should add it automatically like the live term
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> ah
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> even better
[09:24] <EriC^^> also to add something like private stuff
[09:24] <EriC^^> like if someone wants to use it for him and his friend, with a password
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> passworded link?
[09:25] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:25] <EriC^^> he puts a password and the link can only be opened with the pass
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: in wich cases would this be requiered?
[09:25] <EriC^^> like if you want to share something with your friend only
[09:26] <EriC^^> or if you want to leave something on your pc running and check it remotely or something
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> like seeings private dirs containing sensitive stuff?
[09:26] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> ah yeah
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> nice idea
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> i like the no phone or ssh access on the site
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> so in that context would match perfectly also
[09:27] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> help==user from same company sharing passworded links
[09:28] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but tell me, the helper cant access his commands right?
[09:28] <EriC^^> nope no way
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: no explotiable stuff somehow?
[09:29] <EriC^^> i dont think so
[09:29] <EriC^^> it's just sending the output ( like view ) of the terminal to a server
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yean unless the hack your server...
[09:30] <EriC^^> if they hack the server then they could change the scripts and stuff yeah for sure
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but youl add good security :p
[09:31] <EriC^^> yeah :p
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: what kind of services running?
[09:32] <EriC^^> i changed the ssh port and using pub auth file
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> apache?
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> ssh?
[09:32] <EriC^^> was having like a million attempts at ssh
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah use fail2ban
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: might be usefull to pentest the whole server metasploit n stuff
[09:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:33] <EriC^^> maybe i'll add my own stuff
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> anyway bbl breakfast
[09:33] <EriC^^> like something that if somebody enters it just self destructs the whole thing
[09:33] <EriC^^> lol
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: intrusion detectors will do the job :p
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> rkhunter/snort/fail2ban/iptables
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> bbl :p
[09:34] <EriC^^> in the server stuff is pretty organized
[09:35] <EriC^^> like the apache stuff is separate from the server stuff and the stuff that gets sent as web and constants are all root
[09:36] <EriC^^> so if somebody finds something in the web, he can't change the scripts used, or server interaction at the menu
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:22] <slidinghorn> morning BluesKaj
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Morning slidinghorn
[13:59] <slidinghorn> so I politely pointed out to that kid saying he's anonymous that his IP shows on freenode & suggested a cloak - he then tried to "hack" me, posted  abunch of random crap saying it was "my code" (with a bunhch of crap I don't have installed on my machine or my shell)
[13:59] <slidinghorn> I almost peed I was laughing so hard
[14:00] <cfhowlett> and he spelled anon. wrong
[14:01] <slidinghorn> I almost woke up the house
[14:04] <BluesKaj> slidinghorn:  how did he try to "hack" you?
[14:04] <slidinghorn> sent a bunch of pings
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:07] <BluesKaj> I had a russian punk try to hack my IP , somehow he got past my cloak anf tried to steal my nick, plus he DDOS'd my router, don't ask me how he did it, but I had to change my ISP pw and user as advised by their support
[14:08] <BluesKaj> think there;'s a few mins after join when the IP is available before cloak takes effect
[14:08] <cfhowlett> now that is soe decent hackwork.  did you have default pwd on the router?
[14:09] <slidinghorn> This was some dumb kid from Texas thinking he'd be cool if he could make someone think he knew how to do more than turn a computer on
[14:10] <cfhowlett> @blueskaj  now that is some decent hackwork.  did you have default pwd on the router?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett:  no
[14:11] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett:  that's why he couldn't get into my system , but he got too close for comfort
[14:12] <BluesKaj> he just filled the the line with pings from the ISP to my router
[14:13] <BluesKaj> modem actually, not the router
[14:14] <BluesKaj> sorry didn't mean to confuse
[14:14] <cfhowlett> i understand that modems are much easier to crack
[14:14] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: do you have the identify set on the nick?
[14:15] <EriC^^> the 30 secs to identify or nick is changed?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> EriC^^:  yes identify is enabled
[14:16] <EriC^^> ok cool
[14:21] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, http://hacknmod.com/hack/screw-with-people-who-steal-your-wifi/
[14:27] <BluesKaj> my wifi is protected to some degree with wps and a very difficult pwd , but living in a small town , my chances are much fewer than most of being hacked vai wifi
[14:30] <BluesKaj> aamof I had advise a neighbour that her router was wide open, no pwd used and she didn't realize the iSP who supplied her router/modem hadn't assigned a pwd
[14:32] <BluesKaj> she didn't even use a login pwd on her windows laptop. I couldn't beleive she could be so careless.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> She replied to my advice by saying "it's not my fault, it's the f-ing cable company"...she 's correct to some degree, but to put all the blame on the provider is actually pretty typical.
[14:47] <cfhowlett> this should be fun ... he came back
[14:56] <BluesKaj> who?
[14:56] <cfhowlett> "hacker" guy
[14:57] <BluesKaj> oh, what nick?
[14:58] <cfhowlett> guest54364 but he left already
[16:23] <slidinghorn> I think that was someone else - the 1st one was from Texas, that one's coming up from UK
[16:28] <slidinghorn> has anyone recalled how to fix ubottu facts?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> !ubottu
[16:32] <slidinghorn> Usage link is 404...looking @ the rest
[16:32] <BluesKaj> !fr
[16:32] <BluesKaj> that works
 I changed all my passwords to incorrect. So my computer just tells me when I forgot.
[17:12] <slidinghorn> ikonia: that user's been in and out over the past several days. Very hard to get useful info out of them in my experience, and they don't tend to follow directions well
[17:24]  * slidinghorn sings the "Amen" part of "Take Me to Church" to ikonia  :)
[17:35] <pauljw> hi
[17:37] <slidinghorn> morning pauljw
[17:41] <slidinghorn> I didn't even see him come back in...you're fast ikonia
[17:44] <OerHeks> my best bet: he does not even use ubuntu :-D
[17:45] <BluesKaj> slidinghorn:  check pm
[18:11] <pauljw> sorry, dropped carrier and didn't notice..  :)
[18:12] <BluesKaj> ok folks..later...time for a jam and a few beers
[21:14] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: WB ! .. This may get zoo ified .
[21:14] <EriC^^> thank you!
[21:14] <DosTuMai> It isn't already a zoo? D=
[21:17] <Bashing-om> DosTuMai: Well, yeah ... it is it is .. That I recon is the nature of the thing .. but sure getting deeper into that zoo-ology . EriC^^ to the rescue !
[21:18] <EriC^^> grub stuff?
[21:22] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Seems now we have the lull before the deludge . Earlier was a ACPI thing, then rerouted to a EFI thing . Seems Windows UEFI - ubuntu CCSm on same hard drive. HAve the OP re-install in UEFI mode . Maybe all comes up roses .
[21:23] <EriC^^> cool
[21:24] <EriC^^> maybe we'll get some more grub issues tonight that have happy endings
[21:26] <EriC^^> 14.04.4 comes out in new years?
[21:27] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: :) Your grub issues - that you dive into - I have observed, always have happy endings .
[21:29] <EriC^^> :)
[21:30] <EriC^^> grub is always fun and stuff
[21:34] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yeah , booting is of particular interest, but I have no access to a UEFI box, not able to test puts a cramp in my style .
[21:34] <EriC^^> what's your favorite linux subject?
[21:35] <EriC^^> or pc subject
[21:35] <DosTuMai> .py
[21:35] <Bashing-om> Oh Mercy .. varies.. but always, that interaction with the kernel .
[21:37] <EriC^^> DosTuMai: Bashing-om cool
[21:38] <DosTuMai> I'mma codemunkeh.
[21:39] <Bashing-om> sure has gotten quiet on the home front .
[21:39] <EriC^^> yeah
[21:40] <DosTuMai> Sorry, talking firearms with a friend whose also ex-military.
[21:46] <EriC^^> i want to see how a user will react to using a live terminal
[21:47] <EriC^^> mkfifo /tmp/bla; nc openterm.tk 99 < /tmp/bla & script -f /tmp/bla
[21:48] <EriC^^> that's what he has to run, i wonder what his reaction will be
[21:48] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yeah, looking forward to how squoo.sh is going to work out .. going to be an adventure .
[21:48] <EriC^^> it could be useful for long grub troubleshooting maybe? at least it will mean he has to type less paste links i guess
[21:53] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: what do you work?
[22:04] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Retired, from Network controller - communications systems .
[22:05] <EriC^^> cool
[22:08] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I LIKE not having to punch a time clock .
[22:08] <EriC^^> yeah
[22:12] <DosTuMai> Really don't blame you, Bashing-om. xD
[22:14] <Bashing-om> I get to sit here before this terminal to my heart's delight .
[22:15] <DosTuMai> I can't sit still for long...
[22:15] <EriC^^> me neither
[22:16] <DosTuMai> Playing games: Stand up, sit down, dance, walk back & forwards, get bored, go out on my bike.
[22:22] <Bashing-om> Get caught up on forums and channels, go for a smoke, do a bit of yard work, maybe a couple of honey do chores - I be right back here most rikki tic .
[22:23] <DosTuMai> Pretty much. xD
[22:27] <Bashing-om> works for me, and my life is fine . If it were not so ubuntu, I would not say thus .
[22:28] <DosTuMai> =]
[23:25] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: is eikon81g leading rvgate down the wrong path ??
[23:26] <EriC^^> i have no idea
[23:26] <EriC^^> i was just thinking the same and wanted to ask you
[23:26] <EriC^^> ide raid sata acsomething
[23:26] <EriC^^> .. what the
[23:27] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Think at this point I am going to enter an objection . raid .. no way ! - But booting Windows .. I can not avise on that !
[23:27] <EriC^^> he's using raid?
[23:30] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: No .. was of advise from eikon81 to try that mode, where I got my feathers in a ruffle . I hope at this point rvgate has AHCI set .
[23:33] <DosTuMai> Well, I'm off to bed, need my beauty sleep or I'll crack too many mirror-glass windows enroute to work. o/
[23:33] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: IRT rvgate; attempting to dual boot on a SSD, unknown on space constraints - . Is not AHCI proper always for a SSD ?
[23:33] <EriC^^> nighty nite
[23:34] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: i've no idea what ahci means
[23:35] <DosTuMai> Alien Huffing Club International?
[23:35] <EriC^^> lol
[23:36] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: " The Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) >> specifies the operation of Serial ATA (SATA) host bus adapters in a non-implementation-specific manner " .
[23:45] <EriC^^> seems on the right track i guess
[23:47] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Presently, however, ^ that is as far as I can go . As I do not know Windows or UEFI .