[03:43] <phillw> tsimonq2: I will keep my mouth zipped over your last wiki edit, but will be taking it up with wxl
[03:43] <phillw> Just as I thought you were doing well... :'(
[03:54] <tsimonq2> phillw: huh?
[03:55] <tsimonq2> phillw: how is that bad?
[03:55] <tsimonq2> phillw: is my cutting down on a project terrible terrible news?
[03:56] <tsimonq2> how...
[04:22] <phillw> tsimonq2: mentor you now are, safely wipe your own nose you cannot.
[04:27] <phillw> tsimonq2: your mentor is away, time will tell upon your self declaration.
[04:30] <phillw> ianorlin: are you  a master?
[04:33] <ianorlin> I think I was then sort of kept forgetting to join linux padawan
[04:36] <phillw> ianorlin: get it done!!! takes 5 minutes and you have padawans for life!!!
[04:36] <wxl> phillw: whatcha talking about, willis?
[04:36] <ianorlin> I did
[04:36] <ianorlin> the irc channel
[04:37] <phillw> omg wxl .. you alive / not being held captive by gun men...?
[04:37] <wxl> just been busy with christmas
[04:38] <phillw> ianorlin: no, http://wiki.linuxpadawan.net/LinuxPadawan
[04:38] <ianorlin> I am on there
[04:40] <phillw> ianorlin: my eyes are tired, which is your wiki name on http://wiki.linuxpadawan.net/EditorGroup ?
[04:40] <ianorlin> you know you could just whois me and see if my name is on the list
[04:41] <ianorlin> but Brendan Perrine
[04:41] <phillw> ianorlin: your wiki link will suffice. I'm cracking down on these "of course I've got a wiki entry"
[04:42]  * ianorlin reactivates cloaking device
[04:42] <ianorlin> http://wiki.linuxpadawan.net/BrendanPerrine
[04:42] <ianorlin> I might need to update it some as my dad has needed more help recently
[04:43] <phillw> ianorlin: I found it, and looking after your dad comes 1st.
[04:43] <phillw> (04:36:07) wxl: phillw: whatcha talking about, willis?
[04:43] <phillw> so pinged me....
[04:46] <phillw> ianorlin: seeing the full name, and I do hope you do not take offence, as it has taken a bit of finding.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_and_Rise_of_Reginald_Perrin
[04:47] <wxl> phillw: i pinged about 19:43 #lubuntu-devel: < phillw:#lubuntu-devel> tsimonq2: I will keep my mouth zipped over your last wiki edit, but will be taking it up with wxl
[04:47] <phillw> wxl: you have mail
[04:50] <phillw> as a new star wars has evidently been released the saying of 'delusions of grandeur' was too hard to resist, but I could not use it in context... And for an extra 10 points, you can tell me which episode it was spoken in... The 10 points are available for 15 seconds before you all go and google it
[04:51] <phillw> 5...
[04:51] <phillw> 1..
[04:51] <ianorlin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anpVOGvsym8 <-- my response to phillw
[04:52] <phillw> ianorlin: I don't have sound at the moment, but have the link book marked.
[04:55] <phillw> wxl: 5 am here, so replies should go the email. Non of the 3 of us have plans to rise before midday.
[04:57] <wxl> phillw: working on it
[05:01] <wxl> you've gto email phillw
[15:23] <phillw> wxl: as you wish, Sir.
[18:37] <teward> ianorlin: ping
[19:15] <ianorlin> yes teward?
[19:22] <teward> ianorlin: was asking if you've got any light to shed on events last night, cause i don't have longs, but given other channel stuff... :/
[19:23] <teward> also, i assume the ISOs are still giving the cdrom issue
[19:23] <teward> ?
[19:23] <teward> (but that the workaround still works)
[19:23] <teward> (as a temporary stopgap for daily iso testers)
[19:24]  * teward shrugs
[19:24] <teward> hopefully they fix, it's a big issue on the Server ISOs too
[19:24] <teward> (and actually the ISO question was the big one I wanted to ask)
[19:26] <phillw> teward: it's no big deal for some of the lubuntu ISO's to not make a1 :D Much better to catch now than a week before RC :D
[19:26] <ianorlin> ah not quite sure myself been a bit busy with other things
[19:26] <teward> :P
[19:26] <teward> no problem
[19:27] <phillw> we have a workaround, so that will go in our release notes if it is not solved by NYE :)
[19:27] <ianorlin> although alternate and server installer might get more testers and users if reporting bugs on it was better documentated
[19:28] <phillw> wxl: and gilir will make the final decision if it comes to that stage for a1.
[19:29] <ianorlin> hmm what does sorces.list look like for LTS point releases?
[19:29] <phillw> ianorlin: for such, we reply on a foot note of iso page..... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/Install_Bugs I'm sure any edits to it would be gratefully received.
[19:29] <phillw> ianorlin: like all the other ones :P
[19:30] <ianorlin> ubuntu-bug does not work during alternate installer
[19:30] <phillw> here is the one with the extra cd line uncommented ...  http://phillw.net/sources.list
[19:31] <phillw> ianorlin: no, it was understood that the system would be savvy enough to be able to use apt-get :D
[19:31] <phillw> as you can see, with the 1st entry being "seek the CD", apt is powerless to assist
[19:33] <phillw> that a whipper snapper in #ubuntu-bugs pointed to that as a possible issue was quite amazing as all I really had was "It's not working.."
[19:37] <phillw> ianorlin: and until you said to try server, things would still have been stuck there for a couple of more days. After that, with a rather hung-over teward it was possible to hunt the critter down. As teward says, as it means server iso is useless, I'm hopeful that a fix will be in time for A1 - But it's no big deal if it is a few days late.
[19:40] <ianorlin> actually if you are brave enought to test alpha 1 I think you would using a daily image that has a critical bug squashed might be better
[19:43] <phillw> ianorlin: I'll be switching to 16.04 shortly after New Year's Day as my production environment :) I've had to roll back once before, but as /home is /home partition that is just more of a PITA than anything else.
[19:50]  * tsimonq2 already runs Xenial
[19:50] <phillw> I hold off until a1 is out :)
[19:52] <tsimonq2> phillw: it's perfectly stable, except for when I had to compile a newer version of apt from source because it broke :)
[19:54] <phillw> it should be, but old habits die hard. And I move production machine to releases+1 once A1 is passed as fit for purpose.
[19:55] <teward> tsimonq2: i prefer to wait for actual release ;)
[19:55] <teward> usually by Alpha the hugest issues are resolved
[19:55] <teward> in most releases
[19:55] <tsimonq2> hahahaha
[19:55] <teward> but I wait to actual release
[19:55] <teward> because hardware compat
[19:55] <tsimonq2> ohh gotcha
[19:55] <teward> or other idioty issues
[19:56] <tsimonq2> yeah
[19:56] <tsimonq2> but it is fun to see what is next
[19:56] <phillw> teward: +1, I'd never take a server to a1... in fact release +.1 is usually a good time :)
[19:56] <tsimonq2> like Rafael's awesome new wallpapersd
[19:57] <teward> tsimonq2: indeed, I actually have a VM for Xenial SErver
[19:57] <teward> if only because i do server stuff ;)
[19:57] <teward> but I don't mind helping out the LUbuntu team every once in a while :)
[19:57] <tsimonq2> :D
[19:58] <ianorlin> but not production
[19:58] <teward> indeed
[19:58] <teward> NOT production
[19:58] <tsimonq2> teward: you involved with Debian at all?
[19:58] <teward> tsimonq2: not directly, though i occasionally provide contributions to nginx there
[19:58] <ianorlin> although if you don't run virtual machines from development release is the hypervisor really tested?
[19:59] <ianorlin> so I end up running development release inside the development release
[19:59] <teward> :P
[19:59] <teward> ianorlin: VMware on 14.04
[19:59] <teward> VMware WOrkstation
[19:59] <teward> and VMware ESXi 6
[19:59] <teward> so meh
[19:59] <teward> works fine :)
[19:59] <teward> I run a test site on Xenial on one VM
[19:59] <teward> but I have a package-testing and a QA testing VM specifically elsewhere
[20:00] <ianorlin> I don't think debian changes much in kvm though
[20:00] <teward> no, but this is what I have around :Pp
[20:01] <ianorlin> although if you don't run virtual machines from development release is the hypervisor really tested?11:57:49        teward | if only because i do server stuff ;)                                                                           │
[20:01] <ianorlin> oops
[20:01] <ianorlin> I even want as much emulated hardawre tested as possible
[20:02] <teward> ianorlin: right, but it depends on the VM
[20:02] <teward> i have a specific VM I use in an actual 'production backup' way
[20:02] <teward> on Xenial
[20:02] <teward> but it still gets tested and used once a week with full traffic load
[20:03] <teward> because other updates
[20:03] <teward> the other VMs are for the installation tests
[20:03] <teward> (test cases)
[20:03] <teward> or to make sure Xenial-built nginx merges work as advertised
[20:03] <teward> :)