[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:54] <penguin42> ok, that's weird
[13:55] <penguin42> this reinstalled laptop - when I start up NM runs at 100% until I flick the RF-off switch on/off
[17:43] <nick25> Is it possible to upgrade 14.04 to 16.04 for early testing? (since the repositories are already setup)
[17:43] <nick25> If so, what's the best procedure?
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> nick25: ive had luck with 15.10 to 16.04
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> nick25: with do-release-upgrade -d
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> nick25: i also tested from 14.04, but brake on me
[17:50] <nick25> lotuspsychje: that's good to know, thank you
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> nick25: but now xenial is installed running pretty stable here
[17:55] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  yeah it's ok now in most ways
[17:56] <BluesKaj> altho plasma 5.4.3 here is still not quite ready for prime time, but it's merely a transitional phase to plasma 5.5.2
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ok tnx for letting know
[18:37] <penguin42> yeh I've upgraded here; although the xenial kernel isn't happy on my machine
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: upgraded from wich?
[18:37] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: from W
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:37] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: I always only go one step at a time
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: what you mean
[18:38] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: I never upgrade across more than one version
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: ah, i mostly clean install
[18:40] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Oh I only clean install when replacing hardware; like last week when I put an ssd in; but I've had upgrades over at least 5-10 versions - but always upgrade to the next version, check it's ok before going any further
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: wich ssd brand you have?
[18:42] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Sandisk - bottom of the range was on really cheap offers over xmas
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: cool!
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: how fast is xenial booting on that sandisk?
[18:47] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Well yesterday it managed about 9s on systemd-analyse (on this old core2duo)
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> nice
[18:50] <penguin42> wth is a gpu-manager.service and why did it take 20s out of my boot
[18:51] <penguin42> systemctl disable gpu-manager     should fix that
[18:52]  * penguin42 should take some of the other irrelevant stuff out as well
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: yeah i also disable unwanted services
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> (on trusty)
[18:56] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Yeh but whatever gpumanager is it shouldn't take 20 seconds
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: not sure mate, what grafix card you havin?
[18:57] <penguin42> lotuspsychje: Plain old intel onboard
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> hmmz weird
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: maybe take a look in lightdm log whats going on?
[19:02] <penguin42> well there's a /var/log/gpu-manager.log - not that it really says what took so long
[22:46] <soldid> hey guys any plans on how nautilus gonna look in 16.04
[22:46] <ikonia> plans ?
[22:46] <ikonia> have you looked at the pre-release builds ?
[22:47] <soldid> yes, i think they should consider including the patches to bring back non-csd nautilus
[22:47] <ikonia> probably a bit late in the day
[22:47] <ikonia> have you looked if those patches are included ?
[22:48] <soldid> yea, those patches are included in the src but i dont think they work
[22:48] <soldid> at least they dont do anything for me when i patch by hand, nautilus 3.18 has some changes i think
[22:48] <ikonia> .......so you're asking them to include patches that are already included
[22:49] <soldid> idk man, but it looks to me that the patches for menu and non-csd windows are not working
[22:49] <ikonia> soldid: so I'll re-ask
[22:49] <ikonia> soldid: do you know if the patches are already included ?
[22:49] <ikonia> (as in the patches you are asking about)
[22:51] <ilhami> hey ::D
[22:51] <soldid> actually it seems they are not, i just runned apt-get source on nautilus and it seems its not there
[22:51] <ikonia> soldid: ok, are they needed, eg: have the patches been rolled up into the current version for 16.04
[22:52] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/nautilus/+changelog
[22:53] <soldid> nooo the patches are not essential per se, but i think most people will notice a difference between 15.10 and 16.04
[22:53] <soldid> compiz has some problems with csd apps overall, it renders them poorly
[22:54] <soldid>   * The update uses GtkHeaderBar decorations and has no menubar for now,     the menus are coming back later and UI is likely to be tweaked again     based on the feedback from this version
[22:54] <soldid> this is the change
[22:54] <soldid> any info on that
[22:54] <OerHeks> so a poor incomplete 3th party theme is giving issues, not nautilus?
[22:55] <soldid> well, nautilus for example now doesnt have a menu at all, only local menu in right corner
[22:57] <soldid> it seems to me that only gnome appmenu gets exposed to unity-gtk3-module although im not well versed in code
[22:58] <soldid> i could try to patch / compare to older version to restore it, but it could add to complexity against upstream
[23:02] <soldid> im gonna ping launchpad but overall it seems like there is not much movement there
[23:02] <soldid> i want 16.04 to be a very solid release like 14.04