[06:50] <soee> valorie: i think more the news, updates of Plasma are desired
[06:50] <soee> a lot of distros have already 5.5 and we don't
[06:51] <valorie> yes, it shows that we are not together yet
[06:51] <soee> same goes for frameworks and apps
[06:51] <valorie> right
[06:51] <valorie> but if there are no docs, there is no help for new packagers when they show up here
[06:52] <soee> that is true
[06:52] <valorie> there have been quite a few recently
[06:52] <valorie> it can be a series of links 
[06:52] <valorie> if nothing else
[06:52] <valorie> but we need *something*
[06:53] <soee> so maybe now wen workng on the stuff i have mentiones, we could also start the docs
[06:53] <valorie> right, if everyone contributed their notes that they already have
[06:54] <valorie> somebody with a bit of experience could pull that into shape
[06:54] <valorie> I wish aaron would show up again
[06:59] <valorie> anyway, the new year is a chance to start well
[09:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:09] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I've talked with yofel and ahoneybun_ to have a sprint these 3 days to set up the docs
[10:10] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: in hwat time frame are you available?
[10:10] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: are you also available for this sprint?
[10:11] <valorie> nice!
[10:11] <valorie> thanks for that, ovidiu-florin
[10:11] <ovidiu-florin> I'll walk the dog now, and then get started on some diagrams that I can put in place from the docs I have
[10:11] <valorie> super!
[10:11] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: we've talked about this for a week now, no one told you about this?
[10:11] <valorie> always best to have a starting place
[10:11] <valorie> I've seen some talk
[10:12] <valorie> but during the holidays I was very busy, and not at the keyboard often
[10:12] <ovidiu-florin> I've tried to help with moving thinga along, but there are many things I don't know yet, and I don't have debian git commit access
[10:12] <valorie> also my idea of writing to the list, was to spread the word beyond the channel
[10:12] <ovidiu-florin> which seems like a very bad thing for us
[10:12] <ovidiu-florin> (that we need debian git commit to set up pur packages)
[10:12] <valorie> yeah
[10:13] <valorie> our original idea was much closer cooperation with Debian
[10:13] <valorie> I'm not sure how well that's worked
[10:13] <valorie> I guess yofel will have an opinion
[10:13] <ovidiu-florin> I don't have all the details
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> I think it's a good idea to have a closer cooperation
[10:14] <valorie> of course
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> but what we have now is a dependency
[10:14] <valorie> but we thought they would use our packaging, or part of it
[10:14] <valorie> not sure that's happening at all
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> and they don't?
[10:14] <valorie> I'm on the kde-packager list
[10:14] <valorie> and see little to no mention of it
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> then I think an urgent meeting is in order, with the KC and some developers
[10:15] <valorie> well, I don't know
[10:15] <valorie> I would like to know yofel's opinion
[10:15] <valorie> i'm not a packager
[10:15] <ovidiu-florin> I agree
[10:15] <ovidiu-florin> I wanted the meeting to sort this out
[10:15] <ovidiu-florin> see what's the current status
[10:16] <ovidiu-florin> and what should we do
[10:16] <ovidiu-florin> further
[10:16] <valorie> yeah
[10:16] <valorie> I'm about to head to bed though
[10:16] <valorie> it's 2am here
[10:16] <ovidiu-florin> I just woke up :D
[10:16] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: didn't expect you are awake now
[10:18] <valorie> I shouldn't be
[10:18] <valorie> lol
[10:18] <valorie> and don't need to be at a meeting like that
[10:18] <valorie> I started watching doctor who and time went away
[10:18] <valorie> amazing how that happens
[10:18] <valorie> but now I need to sleep
[12:21] <clivejo> hi ovidiu-florin
[12:26] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: hello
[12:27] <clivejo> how was your Xmas?
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> it was good
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> there?
[12:27] <clivejo> ate far too much and family for 3 days is too much!
[12:28] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SoO83PepBkU_kkbLL2eIeVDYYDzv6OEA1npVoCp7wHo
[12:28] <ovidiu-florin> just started
[12:29] <clivejo> eakkk
[12:30] <clivejo> morning BluesKaj
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:31] <BluesKaj> ;Morning clivejo
[12:37] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: eakkk?
[12:41] <clivejo> you have your job cut out drawing that diagram
[12:42] <ovidiu-florin> I want an overview so to better understand how things are moving
[12:42] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: can you help?
[12:42] <clivejo> what you need help with?
[12:46] <ovidiu-florin> what happens in between those two
[12:46] <ovidiu-florin> I'm currently reading the wiki on packaging 
[12:46] <clivejo> sorry, between what two?
[12:46] <ovidiu-florin> to see what's currently there
[12:47] <ovidiu-florin> KDE tarball and Kubuntu PPAs
[12:47] <ovidiu-florin> in the diagram
[12:47] <clivejo> Disclaimer: I have limited knowledge!
[12:48] <clivejo> but from my understanding there are two sources for KDE tarballs
[12:48] <clivejo> depot = a prerelease platform for devs to package them before release
[12:48] <clivejo> and then the main download site on kde website
[12:50] <clivejo> when a release is announced we use the staging KA tools to package them up and upload them to the staging PPAs
[12:50] <clivejo> there is a seperate PPA for each of the releases (frameworks, plasma and apps)
[12:52] <clivejo> once uploaded to LaunchPad staging PPA we use the QA tools to monitor how the builds are going
[12:52] <clivejo> anything with problems shows up as red or orange and means we need to fix them
[12:53] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.1_xenial.html
[12:54] <clivejo> when they are all green and devs are happy with them we call for testers to install and test the packages
[12:56] <clivejo> The idea behind Kubuntu CI is to continiously package the upstream projects from KDE
[12:57] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: package continuously what's on master?
[12:57] <clivejo> and we keep on top of the packaging by fixing it as chnages happen upstream
[12:58] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: I dont understand the question?
[12:58] <ovidiu-florin> package continously what's on the master branch of KDE projects? or every release?
[12:58] <clivejo> yes the git master
[12:59] <ovidiu-florin> ok, and where does the debian git come in?
[12:59] <clivejo> it grabs the source code from KDE git and the packaging from debian git
[13:00] <clivejo> debuild -S and uploads that to LaunchPad
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> and the kA scripts do this when they are amnually called?
[13:00] <clivejo> well debian git has a hook
[13:01] <clivejo> so when we make a change to the packaging, debian notifies KCI and triggers a rebuild
[13:01] <clivejo> but we can override that by adding NO CI to our commit comment
[13:03] <clivejo> usually its a good feature to have, but if we are changing lots of packaging (ie a new release) we have to pause KCI
[13:04] <clivejo> they are also triggered automatically every night at 00:00 UTC
[13:05] <clivejo> basically if KCI was working, releases should be simple and quick
[13:05] <clivejo> you basically run the staging-upload script and it does it all automatically
[13:07] <clivejo> the kubuntu-ci bot announces a package is broken, a dev who is free goes off and fixes the issue and the KCI goes green again
[13:08] <clivejo> nice even work load
[13:11] <clivejo> but we have problems
[13:11] <clivejo> take kwin for example
[13:12] <clivejo> there was a bug in it, and a ubuntu dev cherry picked the fix and applied a patch to the packaging and uploaded that to the archive
[13:12] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwin/+changelog
[13:12] <clivejo> but they didnt update our packaging on git
[13:13] <clivejo> debian git
[13:13] <clivejo> in the mean time sgclark has been fixing the packaging on debian git for the next release and has made a few changes
[13:14] <clivejo> the branch kubuntu_xenial_archive is supposed to match the main archive, but it doesnt
[13:14] <clivejo> thats why when you run the staging script you are getting errors
[13:15] <clivejo> and I dont know how to fix it :/
[13:16] <clivejo> and this is holding back the whole plasma 5.5.3 release
[13:16] <clivejo> anyways, its lunch time and I feel like Im talking to myself again!
[13:17]  * clivejo wanders off
[15:15] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: I'll be there today after 10PM UTC, tomorrow potentially after 8PM UTC and I should be a bit more flexible on wednesday
[15:16] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: clive did a good explenation above, but note that KA works with the KDE release tarballs, only CI works from KDE Git
[15:29] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: you have a job besides Kubuntu, right? you're not working at Blue Systems?
[16:10] <clivejo> yofel: will you help me with kwin?
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo:  please give me some feedback on the diagam
[16:41] <yofel> clivejo: not today, sorry
[16:41] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: check if there is a KDE commit hook
[16:41] <clivejo> and that master should feed into KCI
[16:42] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: I might not be around today after all, my ISP broke something so I still have very unstable internet. Someone's coming tomorrow to check it.
[16:42] <clivejo> not the automation tools
[16:42] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: and yes, I work as a web dev for my dayjob. Kubuntu is freetime stuff
[16:42] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: can you also take a look at https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1SoO83PepBkU_kkbLL2eIeVDYYDzv6OEA1npVoCp7wHo/edit?usp=sharing
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: what do you mean feed in KCI? doesn't it need to be packaged first?
[16:44] <clivejo> KCI is the process of packaging the KDE git master
[16:44] <yofel> the commit hook arrow is wrong, that's only used for the CI
[16:44] <clivejo> but I dont think its triggered by KDE commits
[16:44] <yofel> kubuntu automation is all about archive packages. The only interface it has to the CI are the _stable and _unstable CI branches that it uses to save you some work
[16:44] <clivejo> only debian git commits
[16:45] <ovidiu-florin> then how are builds from KDE master started? by whom, when?
[16:46] <clivejo> KCI does it
[16:46] <ovidiu-florin> what is KCI?
[16:46] <clivejo> Kubuntu Continious Ingration
[16:46] <clivejo> or how ever you spell it
[16:46] <ovidiu-florin> yes, that's nice, but what is it?
[16:47] <clivejo> it is triggered at 00:00 UTC or by a debian git commit via a hook
[16:47] <yofel> I think the kde wise build is only done during the daily package builds
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> a script?
[16:47] <clivejo> KCI = http://kci.pangea.pub/
[16:47] <yofel> KCI is a jenkins instance that somehow uses kde git and debian git packaging to build a "current state" package
[16:47] <clivejo> bunch of scripts 
[16:48] <ovidiu-florin> thank you yofel
[16:48] <yofel> it's controlled by a bunch of ruby scripts that build the packages in docker containers I believe, upload them to the CI PPAs, wait for them to build and then run check scripts over the artifacts
[16:49] <clivejo> 349 broken out of 381, that makes me :(
[16:50] <yofel> for the packaging branches a lot of auto-merging is done before the builds. e.g. kubuntu_xenail_archive -> kubuntu_unstable, to pick up fixes in the archive stuff so that we only fix things in one place
[16:50] <yofel> and the idea is, that for new upstream releases you then just merge _unstable -> _stable -> _xenial_archive and you don't have much to fix left
[16:51] <yofel> as _unstable was already tracking that release for a while
[16:51] <yofel> as for KA, that last merge step is the only interaction with the CI it has, as it's the only relevant one for the archive
[16:53] <clivejo> yofel: are you working today?
[16:53] <yofel> no
[16:53] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: can you change package to Packaging (Debian Git)
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> yofel clivejo ckeck the diagram now
[16:54] <clivejo> Im watching you
[16:54] <clivejo> maybe even put the URL
[16:54] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> I still don't understand the branch thing on the debian git
[16:54] <clivejo> Its compliated
[16:55] <yofel> QA Tools is also completely seperate for CI and KA
[16:56] <ovidiu-florin> what do you mean it's separated?
[16:56] <yofel> I consider the CI ones better than the old KA code, but as CI is ruby, and KA python, you can't easily migrate that
[16:56] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: completely different scripts
[16:57] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: also while we are working on Kubuntu+1, the staging packages often get copied straight into the archive
[16:58] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: can I make edits on this document?
[17:01] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: sure
[17:01] <clivejo> Can you put a link to the QA tool - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/
[17:02] <clivejo> Id put the link to the launchpad git for the tools there
[17:12] <clivejo> yofel: regarding KCI, we have unstable, stable daily etc dont we?
[17:13] <yofel> yes
[17:16] <clivejo> yofel: re: qa.kubuntu.co.uk QA tools
[17:16] <clivejo> they are part of kubuntu automation tools?
[17:17] <clivejo> thats why we have to log into weegie and update them to get it to show?
[17:24] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: KCI Jenkins is currently hosted by Blue Systems I believe
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> it's still Kubuntu Hosting
[17:25] <clivejo> can we label those arrows?
[17:25] <clivejo> ie red (uploading to LP)
[17:25] <clivejo> blue (monitoring buildlogs)
[17:27] <ovidiu-florin> for monitoring I used a circle instead of an arrow
[17:28] <clivejo> just to indicate whats happening
[17:28] <clivejo> KCI parses the logs and makes them easier to figure out the problems
[17:36] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: also the Kubuntu Automation Scripts use depot I believe
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I can't enter the info that fast
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> let me finish with the legend
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> I'm adding the arrows now
[17:37] <clivejo> I guess it depends on how accurate you want the chart to be :)
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> and I have to update all the arrows accordingly
[17:38] <clivejo> No problem, you are doing a great job
[17:38] <clivejo> nice to see it in picture form!
[17:39] <clivejo> I have to go for a bit, but Ill be around later if you want to carry on then
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: we have 2 KCI PPAs
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> one should go
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> one of the boxes I mean
[17:43] <clivejo> yup
[17:44] <yofel> Clivejo: only the ppa status pages on QA come from KA. There's other things on there too
[17:44] <clivejo> yup
[17:44] <yofel> And you don't need to login to weegie to update it
[17:44] <clivejo> yofel: on the diagram I think the QA Tools should be coming from the automation tools
[17:44] <yofel> The config files are in git
[17:45] <clivejo> not LP PPA as it is now?
[17:45] <yofel> Qa tools for ka are in ka. Yes
[17:45] <clivejo> oh, I thought I had to log into weegie and do a git refresh to start a new relkeadse
[17:46] <clivejo> good lord the sky is falling
[17:46] <yofel> No. There's a cronjob for that
[17:46] <clivejo> oh
[17:46] <clivejo> I was being impatient then
[17:46] <clivejo> thats not like me !
[17:49] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: to recap- the QA tools are part of KA, but they monitor the PPA and traffic light the packages for us
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> Staging and CI PPAs, right?
[17:51] <clivejo> KCI PPA dont usually end up in the archives
[17:52] <yofel> Ci qa monitors ci ppas. Ka qa monitors staging ppas
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> but the CI monitor is kenkins, right?
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> jenkins*
[17:56] <yofel> Right
[17:58] <clivejo> sorry ovidiu-florin
[17:58] <clivejo> I dont know how to make the pretty boxes!
[18:01] <ovidiu-florin> :))
[18:01] <ovidiu-florin> it's ok
[18:01] <ovidiu-florin> I'll make it pretty
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> I've added the upload to LP and monitor connectors
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> what's next?
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> I got distracted
[18:10] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: ?
[18:58] <clivejo> sorry was away getting food
[19:00] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: loooking good
[19:00] <clivejo> does it make sense to you?
[19:00] <soee> soo the work on docs is started ?
[19:01] <ovidiu-florin> soee: kind of
[19:01] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: it does, but I feel that more info can be added
[19:01] <ovidiu-florin> we can make other diagrams that explain different parts in more details
[19:02] <clivejo> I think if we broke it down into sections now
[19:02] <clivejo> document the KA Tools etc
[19:02] <clivejo> use that as the main overview
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> I agree
[19:04] <clivejo> that shows the main processes and points people to the resources they need to explore it
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> let me clean-up my desk
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> and then I'll dive in more deeply
[19:06] <clivejo> does kubuntu still have a wikimedia docs?
[19:06] <ovidiu-florin> mediawiki*
[19:06] <ovidiu-florin> yes, on KDE hosting
[19:07] <clivejo> is it used?
[19:07] <ovidiu-florin> kind of
[19:07] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun_: ping
[19:07]  * clivejo has used it before and would be more comfortable
[19:08] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: but as you know the main obstacle for a packager is obtaining debian git access
[19:09] <ovidiu-florin> so we need to ease the way patches can be submitted
[19:10] <clivejo> would there be a group or something on LP patches could be submitted?
[19:10] <soee> ovidiu-florin: one suggestion- lets say we have tabel of content maybe it would ba a good idea to highlighed parts of it with some color (and add legend) for those that require different access levels
[19:10] <clivejo> a glossary page would be great too!
[19:11] <clivejo> all these acronyms are confusing
[19:12] <clivejo> BTW debian git is AKA Alioth!
[19:19] <clivejo> Id love to learn more about how LP works
[19:19] <clivejo> I feel like im not using it to its potential
[19:22] <clivejo> we also need docs on how to setup your environment
[19:22]  * ovidiu-florin doesn't like LP
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> it's ugly
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> it could use a prettyer theme
[19:27]  * ovidiu-florin is eating nachos with hot salsa
[19:32] <clivejo> nom
[19:33] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: when you say Kubuntu Latest PPA, what do you mean?
[19:35] <ovidiu-florin> currenlty that's wily
[19:36] <clivejo> you mean the main archive?
[19:37] <clivejo> should we define those?
[19:42] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: do you know how to setup a bouncer?
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I use quassel server and quassel client
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: ^^^ why not?
[19:46] <clivejo> I applied for and got an account on KDE
[19:46] <clivejo> but my username is clivej on KDE :/
[19:46] <clivejo> Im not sure how to set it up
[19:46] <clivejo> my internet connection can be very bad at times
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: ^^ it's simpler and faster to set up, but it keeps the logs in a DB not in text files
[19:47] <clivejo> but Id need a stable internet and a machine always on?
[19:48] <clivejo> shadeslayer: are you around?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> not exactly
[19:49] <shadeslayer> but whats up
[19:49] <clivejo> I need help :(
[19:49] <clivejo> kwin is really messed up
[19:49] <clivejo> and I cant seem to fix it
[19:49] <shadeslayer> build logs
[19:49] <shadeslayer> plz
[19:50] <kfunk> clivejo: talked to mgraesslin, would that help?
[19:50] <kfunk> talked to mgraesslin?*
[19:50] <clivejo> basically some ubuntu devs have made changes to the packages in the ubuntu archives
[19:50] <marco-parillo> clivejo: I use the kde bouncer, and I set it up following these directions: https://community.kde.org/Sysadmin/BNC 
[19:50] <clivejo> and kubuntu_xenial_archive is out of sync
[19:50] <shadeslayer> then copy over those changes to git
[19:51] <clivejo> but in the mean time sgclark has been working away and made some changes to the debian git
[19:51] <clivejo> archive changelog is here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwin/+changelog
[19:52] <shadeslayer> just merge things manually then
[19:52] <shadeslayer> copy over archive, git diff
[19:52] <shadeslayer> see what's useful
[19:52] <shadeslayer> whats not
[19:52] <shadeslayer> you have to do it manually
[19:52] <clivejo> shadeslayer: thats my problem, never done this before
[19:52] <clivejo> need hand held first time
[19:53] <shadeslayer> see git log -p, see diff, see what needs to be kept and what needs to be thrown away
[19:53] <shadeslayer> sorry, I'm on holiday :P
[19:53] <shadeslayer> not really in the mood to work honestly
[19:53] <clivejo> arent we all :P
[19:55] <clivejo> kfunk: its a packaging issue
[20:09] <soee> Plasma 5.6 wallaper https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=breeze.git&a=blob&h=c8bead7c046f038b0f9a5a3cb5e6087073e28594&f=wallpapers%2FNext%2Fcontents%2Fimages%2F1920x1080.png&o=plain :)
[20:10] <soee> prettu nice i must say, better than the one in 5.5 imo
[20:17] <clivejo> can the bouncer be used for non KDE stuff?
[20:30] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I've went through the docs we have now for packaging and my conclusion is: we don't have any documentation for packaging
[20:30] <ovidiu-florin> nada
[20:30] <clivejo> oh dear
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo a VPS is 5$/month from DO
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> or any other provider t
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> they'r cheap
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> you can use one of those for a bouncer
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> that's what I do
[20:32] <clivejo> Ive configured KDE's
[20:32] <clivejo> I think
[20:33] <ovidiu-florin> soee: I thought the new walpapers were photos, no more digital stuff
[20:33] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: [22:30:22] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I've went through the docs we have now for packaging and my conclusion is: we don't have any documentation for packaging
[20:33] <soee> oh i doubt taht there will be only photos any soon
[20:36] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: are you going to work on them?
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> on what?
[20:36] <clivejo> packaging docs?
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu#Packaging
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> I'm hoping
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> I'm replying to valorie 's email now
[20:44] <clivejo> there are different types of packaging
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> done
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> replied
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> now, I'm waiting for people to start screaming at me
[20:49] <clivejo> why would they scream?
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> I was a bit harsh in the email
[21:09] <claydoh> ovidiu-florin: I don't think so.
[21:16] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: are you free to help me with something?
[21:16] <ovidiu-florin> I can try
[21:16] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: ^
[21:16] <clivejo> PM
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> aaah
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> so that's where the notification came from
[21:22] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: are you getting my messages?
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> my zsh history broke
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to figure out if I can get it back
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I dont' see why those messages need to be private
[21:27] <ovidiu-florin> [19:54:33] <clivejo> ./staging-upload -d xenial -v 5.5.2 -m "new upstream release" -r plasma -t ~/workspace/plasma/
[21:28] <ovidiu-florin> [19:27:07] <ovidiu-florin> ./staging-upload -d xenial -y 16.04 -v 5.5.2 -r plasma      
[21:28] <ovidiu-florin> this is what I used
[22:11] <clivejo> can you pause KCI?
[22:12] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: ^
[22:13] <ovidiu-florin> which job is that?
[22:13] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_pause_integration/
[22:15] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: can you please confirm? can/should I do this?
[22:15] <ovidiu-florin> or sgclark
[22:15] <ovidiu-florin> or sitter
[22:16] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: are you around?
[22:17] <valorie> yes, here
[22:17] <valorie> just replying to your email, ovidiu-florin
[22:17] <ovidiu-florin> I saw the reply
[22:17] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/README
[22:17] <ovidiu-florin> I also saw scarletr's
[22:17] <clivejo> line 22
[22:17] <valorie> yeah.
[22:18] <clivejo> Im not a kubuntu member, so I dont have the permission to pause
[22:18] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: paused
[22:18] <ovidiu-florin> let me know when I can restart it
[22:19] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I'm writing a reply, to hopefully calme he
[22:19] <ovidiu-florin> her*
[22:20] <valorie> we do want this to be fun, not a drag, not a burden
[22:21] <valorie> good docs can help with that
[22:26] <ovidiu-florin> I know
[22:27] <ovidiu-florin> but asking everything from one person is not the way to go
[22:27] <soee_> we all undrstand Scarlett right? If she can't or don't want to do something it is all fine :) I hope she undersatnd that Ovidu wants to have the packaging docs done and thats why he is sending mail on ML. It is also fine if she won't respond to such email now - she find time she will do it :D
[22:27] <ovidiu-florin> and I feel that lately sgclark feels this way
[22:27] <soee_> I think Scarlett feels liek there is some pressue on her but there is not imo :)
[22:27] <ovidiu-florin> I've replied to her
[22:27] <ovidiu-florin> I hope I've said the right things
[22:28]  * ovidiu-florin has a feeling we might skip to package plasma 5.6 direclty and jump over 5.5
[22:28] <soee_> i think the topis shoudl starts with: Have FUN :)
[22:31] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: can you unpause KCI
[22:32] <ovidiu-florin> unpaused
[22:32] <clivejo> gpg-agent wont work for me
[22:32] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: ^
[22:32] <clivejo> thanks
[22:33] <ovidiu-florin> I didn't have the patience to set it up (gpg-agent)
[22:33] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: when 5.6 is scheduled ?
[22:33] <ovidiu-florin> there's a calendar for kde releases
[22:33]  * ovidiu-florin looks
[22:33] <clivejo> I dont have the patiences to type my passphase twice per package
[22:33] <soee_> 3 months
[22:33] <soee_> i thinkif w ecan we shoudl go with 5.5.x
[22:33] <ovidiu-florin> https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
[22:33] <ovidiu-florin> march
[22:34] <soee_> and backport it to Wily
[22:34] <ovidiu-florin> for xenial?
[22:34] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[22:34] <ovidiu-florin> I take that back
[22:34] <ovidiu-florin> I think we'll make it with 5.5.*
[22:34] <soee_> clivejo: you are working on uploading it right (5.5.2) ?
[22:34] <ovidiu-florin> but I'm not reffering to getting it in cenial
[22:35] <ovidiu-florin> xenial*
[22:35] <clivejo> I was trying to
[22:35] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: we're all working on that
[22:35] <ovidiu-florin> somehow
[22:35] <ovidiu-florin> but there are many things that need to be done for that to hapen
[22:35] <clivejo> but my stupid gpg-agent wont work
[22:35] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: where are some good reasons to have it in xenial i think like if we pt t there when alphas or betas of 16.04 are released, more people will test Xenial
[22:35] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: copy paste magic :P
[22:36] <clivejo> when I run the daemon it kept saying the passphase was bad
[22:36] <clivejo> I hate it!
[22:36] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: I was talking about getting 5.5.x packaged at all. but I thought that 5.6 will be sooner
[22:37] <ovidiu-florin> like january
[22:37] <soee_> ah, ok
[22:43] <mamarley> clivejo: I actually have that problem too.  My gpg-agent hasn't been working ever since the first KF5/Plasma5 release.
[22:44] <clivejo> mamarley: any idea why not?
[22:44] <mamarley> Nope, I tried to figure out but could not.  If you ever get yours figured out, could you let me know?
[22:44] <clivejo> gpg: cancelled by user
[22:44] <clivejo> gpg: no default secret key: bad passphrase
[22:44] <clivejo> gpg: signing failed: bad passphrase
[22:45] <mamarley> Hmm, that's not the same thing I get.  For me, it just acts like gpg-agent isn't there at all.
[22:46] <clivejo> gpg --list-keys shows my key
[22:48] <mamarley> gpg-agent is running, yet it asks for my password each time anyway.
[22:48] <clivejo> as soon as I enable the agent is starts saying bad passphase
[22:49] <mamarley> How are you enabling it?
[22:56] <clivejo> in .bashrc
[22:57] <clivejo> but it wont work any more
[23:16] <clivejo> I give up
[23:16] <clivejo> time for bed
[23:16] <clivejo> valorie: can I use my KDE bouncer for OSM channels?
[23:17] <valorie> you can use it for anything on freenode, for sure
[23:18] <valorie> if you need more servers, just file a ticket with the sysadmins and they'll give you more
[23:18] <valorie> I keep meaning to do that
[23:25] <clivejo> OSM channels are on OFTC
[23:39] <clivejo> mamarley: think I got it
[23:40] <clivejo> mamarley: created a file ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
[23:41] <clivejo> added the following
[23:41] <clivejo> pinentry-program /usr/bin/pinentry-qt
[23:41] <clivejo> no-grab
[23:41] <clivejo> default-cache-ttl 1800
[23:41] <clivejo> I now get a popup prompt for my passphase which is remembered
[23:43] <clivejo> have to install pinentry-qt as well
[23:48] <clivejo> there we go, all working again
[23:53] <soee_> :-)