[02:33] <jpickett> are the links going to be updated at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ -- at the moment it looks like 9th December is the most "current" iso
[05:22] <retrojeff> there are so many fucking bugs in xenial 16.04
[05:22] <retrojeff> its unreal
[05:23] <retrojeff> I hope alot of them get fixed before launch
[05:23] <retrojeff> it is the next LTS
[05:23] <retrojeff> I report bugs left and right they just sit untouched sigh
[05:24] <retrojeff> even the bug reporting process could use some work
[05:24] <retrojeff> I bet lots of ubuntu users have no clue how to report bugs
[05:24] <retrojeff> until something crashes and apport or whatever the fuck it is trys
[05:25] <retrojeff> most of the time apport itself crashes while trying to file a bug report
[05:25] <retrojeff> which in itself is amazingly funny
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: you cant generalize on that, running xenial pretty stable here
[05:58] <retrojeff> for the most part its semi stable
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: keep in mind in this stage, things can still break
[05:58] <retrojeff> still a shit ton more that breaks hourly
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: first alpha is 31dec
[05:58] <retrojeff> which I have reported non stop
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> !language | retrojeff
[05:59] <retrojeff> I upgraded from trusty to xenial
[05:59] <retrojeff> shocked it made it out alive
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: well then thats wrong
[05:59] <retrojeff> after being in depend hell for 6 hours
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: no wonder it brakes...
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: you need to clean install or upgrade from 15.10 with do-release-upgrade -d
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: if you upgrade from trusty, it thinks xenial already exists for upgrade
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: but xenial is still in test phase
[06:01] <retrojeff> already running 16.04
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: yes with a messed up system...
[06:01] <retrojeff> no need to downgrade to 15.10
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: i strongly suggest you clean install
[06:02] <retrojeff> no
[06:02] <retrojeff> I wont
[06:02] <retrojeff> it boots it runs
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: then your bugs, will point to a messed up system, no real xenial bugs
[06:02] <retrojeff> its only select few packages that break hourly
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: its guys like you, making wronly bugs to confuse the community like this
[06:03] <retrojeff> sure the bugs will be looked at or fixed by the time alpha hits
[06:03] <retrojeff> the worst bug right now is apt and apt-get
[06:03] <retrojeff> seeing double or tripple packages in synaptic
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: theres nothing wrong with apt-get here
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: you just made your own mess
[06:04] <retrojeff> http://i.imgur.com/vZ2eE3R.png
[06:04] <retrojeff> look at that mess
[06:04] <retrojeff> its just ungly
[06:04] <retrojeff> its just ugly
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: i already see a ppa there
[06:05] <retrojeff> yes
[06:05] <retrojeff> I can disable the PPA
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | retrojeff
[06:05] <retrojeff> thats no problem
[06:05] <retrojeff> I had this issue before even adding a PPA
[06:06] <retrojeff> no 2 systems are gonna be the same
[06:06] <retrojeff> my system and your system are gonna be different
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: nothing to do with that
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: you just upgraded wrongly, why dont you see that?
[06:07] <retrojeff> what because I wont use anything besides a LTS
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> xenial is still breakable and you do your best to make things break more
[06:07] <retrojeff> there will be others who upgrade from trusty to xenial
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: sure, when its out officially
[06:08] <retrojeff> I can promise you others will upgrade from trusty to xenial
[06:08] <retrojeff> now that systemd is crap I am sad I did
[06:08] <retrojeff> I should have stayed on trusty
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: theres really no point talking like this
[06:08] <retrojeff> so many packages in trusty are old and out of date
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: theres nothing wrong with systemd
[06:08] <retrojeff> so I was forced to upgrade to xenial
[06:09] <retrojeff> oh there is tons wrong with systemd
[06:09] <retrojeff> its designed by an idiot
[06:09] <retrojeff> which broke alot
[06:09] <retrojeff> I offered fixes
[06:09] <retrojeff> which they declined
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: ok stop it, now your really getting silly
[06:09] <retrojeff> now even CentOS is using systemd
[06:10] <retrojeff> so thats garbage now
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> retrojeff: use this channel for real issues only
[06:10] <retrojeff> everyone all bowed down to systemd thinking it was all mighty powerful
[06:10] <retrojeff> they are just stealing away control from the users
[06:11] <retrojeff> I quite liked init and using bash scripts
[06:11] <retrojeff> worked fine for years
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> !ot | retrojeff
[06:11] <retrojeff> now systemd just moves on in and now its trash
[06:11] <retrojeff> all you can do is talk to some bot
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> DJones: around?
[06:11] <retrojeff> some help you are
[06:11] <retrojeff> what a fucking idiot
[06:12] <retrojeff> IRC is run by idiots
[06:12] <retrojeff> who fucking talk to bots
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> !ops | retrojeff
[06:12] <retrojeff> go fucking die in a fire
[06:12] <retrojeff> like a give a shit
[06:12] <retrojeff> you are no help anyways
[06:14] <retrojeff> lotuspsychje you have the fucking IQ of a chimp with a typewritter
[06:19] <retrojeff> its like the whole amazon search in dash its shit like this that makes people not have the freedom they want
[06:19] <retrojeff> and deserve
[06:19] <retrojeff> thank god its getting removed by default in 16.04
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> rww: thank you
[06:45] <rww> apologies for the delay
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> rww: no sweat mate, you guys also have a life
[09:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:51] <DJones> lotuspsychje: Sorry, Only switched the computer on
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> DJones: no sweat mate it has been arranged :p
[14:05] <DJones> so i see
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> !info laptop-mode-tools xenial