[00:00] <adueppen> edve98: there's ##tsimonq2
[00:00] <tsimonq2> well my informal area is ##tsimonq2, but #lubuntu-offtopic is where you will find a bit more people
[00:00] <edve98> whoops, I've pressed wrong button, sorry :P
[00:00] <tsimonq2> and a bit better help
[00:01] <wxl> edve98: tsimonq2 and i are both lubuntu contributors, thus the mention of lubuntu-offtopic. there is an #ubuntu-offtopic, too
[00:01] <tsimonq2> yep
[00:01] <tsimonq2> +1 wxl
[00:01] <wxl> edve98: if you do not find what you're looking for or if you have questions, please do not hesitate to track me down here and/or private message me
[00:01] <adueppen> and I'm just a contributor in general but plan on contributing a bit more to Ubuntu GNOME
[00:01] <edve98> I see. So how did you guys choose lubuntu?
[00:02] <tsimonq2> +1 wxl, don't be afraid to do the same with me
[00:02] <edve98> ok ^^
[00:02] <wxl> edve98: my plight was based on the search for something that would work with a ppc chip. i just fell in love the lubuntu community and just kept with it. i do love the fact that lubuntu uses so few resources, too
[00:03] <tsimonq2> nice community, I generally like that Lubuntu isn't too resource-intensive, pretty customisable, and it gets out of the way so I can actually use the applications I want to
[00:03] <knome> tsimonq2, didn't you just describe xubuntu?
[00:03] <adueppen> edve98: I don't personally use lubuntu, but I picked Ubuntu GNOME since I love GNOME (despite the fact that many others don't) and my computer is just barely good enough to run it smoothly with everything I need to run.
[00:03]  * knome hides
[00:04]  * tsimonq2 slaps knome across the side of the head
[00:04] <tsimonq2> bad knome! bad! :P
[00:04]  * knome turns the other cheek
[00:04] <tsimonq2> lol
[00:04]  * adueppen cowers in fear hoping tsimonq2 doesn't object to his use of GNOME
[00:05] <tsimonq2> that's a whole different fight ;) XD
[00:05] <knome> i guess the fact that people like different things just proves there is something for everybody
[00:06] <knome> not that you couldn't like several flavors
[00:06] <tsimonq2> edve98: anyways, if you want to know more about me and wxl, we both have wiki pages
[00:06] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsimonq2 is mine
[00:06] <adueppen> Yeah I love GNOME except for the memory leak in the current version
[00:06] <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/wxl is wxl
[00:06] <adueppen> I just have to restart gnome every 5 hours or so
[00:06] <wxl> i don't ever have to restart lubuntu XD
[00:07] <adueppen> wxl: well it's not too hard to restart gnome. just alt-f2, r, enter
[00:07] <edve98> personal wiki pages? thats something new for me :D
[00:07] <wxl> edve98: feel free to make your own
[00:07] <knome> oh well, since we are posting :P
[00:07] <knome> <- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho
[00:08] <adueppen> for me it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/adueppen
[00:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: I don't ever have to restart Lubuntu either
[00:09] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:10] <adueppen> tsimonq2: but as I said it isn't super difficult to restart gnome
[00:10]  * tsimonq2 giggles
[00:12] <adueppen> also I use XFCE on my chromebook with crouton but soon chrx
[00:13] <edve98> well, I started my journey into Linux with Linux Mint. Since it wasn't very stable later I thought  I'd go with Ubuntu for stability :P
[00:14] <tsimonq2> edve98: what version/flavor do you use?
[00:14] <edve98> right now I have Ubuntu 15.10
[00:16] <edve98> I had LTS before, but I managed to mess it so much that I thought I would just reinstall :D
[00:17] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[00:17] <tsimonq2> I run Ubuntu Xenial
[00:17] <tsimonq2> which is a really early version of 16.04
[00:17] <adueppen> yeah I have a kinda messed up LTS install on my other partition as well
[00:17] <tsimonq2> for testing
[00:18] <edve98> isn't 16.04 supposed to have convergence?
[00:19] <tsimonq2> nope
[00:19] <tsimonq2> I run Lubuntu BTW
[00:19] <adueppen> edve98: I think it got pushed back to 16.10 but don't quote me on that
[00:20] <tsimonq2> well Lubuntu moves to LXQt for 16.10
[00:20] <tsimonq2> I can confirm that
[00:20] <tsimonq2> right, wxl?
[00:20] <wxl> that's the plan
[00:21] <edve98> Cannonical posted a few posts to G+ about convergence "coming soon"
[00:22] <edve98> I wonder how soon is "soon" :P
[00:22] <tsimonq2> 16.10 is probably a good estimate
[00:22] <wxl> i'm not sure there's a particular plan, but i'm not intimately familiar
[00:22] <wxl> it certainly is unlikely to be in an lts
[00:22] <wxl> new features in an lts are kind of not a good idea :)
[00:23] <tsimonq2> +1
[00:23] <edve98> oh. For some reason I thought that it would be in fact better to have it in an lts :P
[00:23] <wxl> if it's like 100% solid, sure
[00:23] <wxl> i think (as a release manager), it's better to go through one non-lts cycle first
[00:25] <tsimonq2> I agree
[00:25] <tsimonq2> the reason being
[00:26] <tsimonq2> Grandma's, little kids, and other technically inclined people are gonna probably use LTS
[00:26] <tsimonq2> they don't want something really really unstable
[00:26] <tsimonq2> or non-technically inclined :P
[00:31] <edve98> I wish my parent's would let me install Linux on their pc. I'm kind of bored telling them that Windows update is not a virus that I've somehow installed.. :P
[00:31] <tsimonq2> LOL
[00:32] <wxl> that's what virtual machines are for, edve98
[00:32] <wxl> tell them it will save them money!
[00:32] <tsimonq2> lots of it
[00:32] <tsimonq2> because to have a fast Windows machine, you have to do a reinstall every 3-6 months
[00:32] <tsimonq2> and that's $100 a piece
[00:34] <edve98> I'm pretty sure you don't have to pay to reinstall your copy of Winodws
[00:34] <tsimonq2> mhm you do
[00:34] <wxl> you do to upgrade
[00:34] <tsimonq2> a new Windows license every time
[00:34] <tsimonq2> well every time you reinstall
[00:34] <wxl> yeah and every machine only comes with a license for it
[00:35] <tsimonq2> mhm
[00:35] <wxl> ubuntu is free forever
[00:35] <tsimonq2> which is why it is cheaper to install Linux or BSD, regardless of distribution
[00:35] <tsimonq2> free as in cost, and free as in Libre
[00:36] <wxl> welllllll rms might argue with you on that but yes :)
[00:36] <edve98> well, I've said that it's faster/cheaper. They said that they would "give it a shot" when it's time to get a new computer :P
[00:36] <tsimonq2> and install vrms to get him on your face telling you which packages are non-free
[00:36] <wxl> only when we have hurd will the true glory of the libre OS be revealed XD
[00:36] <tsimonq2> XD
[00:37] <tsimonq2> lol
[00:37] <wxl> edve98: tell them they won't need a new computer if you put ubuntu on it because it makes better use of the resources. it will make the computer seem less "old"
[00:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: We need to have "RMS GNU/Linux", where it is just Libre software, and only RMS uses it
[00:38] <edve98> I guess so. But they don't want to get rid of Windows because they paid for it :D
[00:38] <wxl> tsimonq2: no, we need JUST GNU :)
[00:38]  * tsimonq2 gasps
[00:38] <tsimonq2> yeah!
[00:38] <tsimonq2> JUST GNU!
[00:38] <wxl> (not really)
[00:38] <tsimonq2> with the hurd kernel!
[00:38] <wxl> actually what we need is a new OS that runs entirely in emacs.
[00:38] <tsimonq2> LOL
[00:39] <wxl> edve98: if they paid for a car and it was kind of a piece of junk compared to another car that was free, you mean to tell me they'd hold on to the old car and use it for all its worth?
[00:40] <wxl> i mean, come on. anyone will take a new car :)
[00:40] <wxl> s/new/free/
[00:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: tbh you can convince him all you want, but it is his job to convince his parents
[00:40] <tsimonq2> this is why my dad still runs XP
[00:40] <wxl> tsimonq2: true. that's why i'm providing some fodder. :)
[00:41] <edve98> yeah, it might help :P
[00:41] <wxl> why does your dad still run XP? because he likes knowing that simply by connecting his computer to the internet, he can create a massive security risk?
[00:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: I have known you for months and I have ried countless times
[00:41] <wxl> i mean it's one thing to say you want to continue to use windows
[00:41] <tsimonq2> because "updates are bad, they ruin your computer"
[00:41] <wxl> it's a WHOLE DIFFERENT thing to say you want to run XP on the internet
[00:41] <wxl> is he blind to all of the talk about the dangers of using xp?
[00:42] <tsimonq2> and "my computer is on the verge of dying, so I don't want to install anything new"
[00:42] <tsimonq2> yep
[00:42] <tsimonq2> he is still on an updated SP3
[00:42] <wxl> he might as well run os/2
[00:42] <edve98> I've seen quite a few business's using windows xp
[00:42] <wxl> probably be less of a security risk
[00:42] <tsimonq2> and he says that when that computer "dies", he is gonna buy a Mac
[00:43]  * tsimonq2 rants
[00:43] <edve98> tell him to get chromebook :P
[00:43] <tsimonq2> and the funny part is, he is a cheapskate
[00:43] <edve98> I mean, I don't believe that he is a power user, and some of them are quite cheap
[00:44] <tsimonq2> so he thinks that he can just get a Mac off of Craigslist for $200-250
[00:44] <edve98> and he wants to get a Mac?
[00:44] <tsimonq2> yep
[00:44] <tsimonq2> he has an iPhone 6
[00:44] <tsimonq2> which is so ironic
[00:44] <tsimonq2> I am just gonna wait until Windows won't boot, then get a Lubuntu Live CD put in there
[00:45] <edve98> this actually once happened to my parent's computer
[00:46] <edve98> Windows started crashing at boot. And I did have Lubuntu live usb.
[00:47] <tsimonq2> soo did they try it?
[00:47] <edve98> Since it was something urgent that my dad had to do he agreed to use it
[00:47] <tsimonq2> did he like it?
[00:47] <edve98> everything went smoothly for him
[00:48] <tsimonq2> so then what?
[00:48] <edve98> and his response was "huh, so Linux isn't worthless after all"
[00:48] <tsimonq2> so did he reinstall Windows?
[00:50] <edve98> so then I "negotiated" that if I reinstall Windows he will try Linux when it's time to change PC. Othervise he would have called a "pc guy" to fix the computer
[00:50] <edve98> on the bright side, he said that I could install Linux on his work laptop
[00:51] <tsimonq2> does he use that?
[00:51] <edve98> rarely :/
[00:51] <edve98> I mean, it's really old laptop. I know that he noticed how faster it runs now
[00:54] <edve98> well, if I could get Microsoft Office 2007 running on wine and it would be stable I'm pretty sure I could talk my parents into getting Linux
[00:54] <edve98> sadly I had no luck thus far :c
[00:56] <adueppen> tsimonq2: this is a bit late (I was having dinner) but you don't need to pay to reinstall windows if you bought the license yourself. if it came preinstalled on the computer then you will need to pay.
[01:03] <edve98> ok guys, it's really late where I live. Tomorrow I'll try to do something with qa and see how it feels
[01:03] <edve98> see you later I guess?
[01:04] <adueppen> edve98: bye
[01:11] <yago> Hey guys
[01:12] <knome> hello
[01:12] <yago> I'm trying to get to know better IRC and the popular channels
[01:13] <knome> popular channels related to what?
[01:13] <knome> and in what way "popular"?
[01:18] <yago> Sorry, my internet connexion dropped
[01:18] <knome> no problem
[01:19] <yago> Well, what I'd like to know is, if for example I want to chat with other people in, let's say, #ubuntu, when's the best time period to do it?
[01:19] <knome> #ubuntu is designed for support, #ubuntu-offtopic is the chatting channel
[01:20] <wxl> and the ubuntu community is wide and vast and across the world, so almost any time people are around
[01:20] <yago> Fine, #ubuntu-offtopic, then
[01:20] <knome> and for what comes for the best time, usually evening time in both EU/US is most active, but in bigger channels there's always people around
[01:20] <yago> Alright
[01:20] <knome> for smaller channels, times might mean more, but with them, it depends on the most active users
[01:21] <yago> I entered yesterday in #wikimedia-dev, and everything was really quiet. Later I knew it was because of the time zone. I was trying to avoid that again ;P
[01:21] <yago> Thanks
[01:22] <wxl> also many people just idle on irc and don't reply unless there's a reason to
[01:22] <knome> i don't think you can do much to avoid that, at least on first few times
[01:23] <yago> May I ask which clients do you use? Because I'm currently using WeeChat, and I'm beggining to get used to it, but everything feels a bit strange
[01:23] <wxl> i use irssi, but have been meaning to change to weechat
[01:24] <knome> i'm using irssi, another CLI client
[01:24] <wxl> unfortunately my irssi config is so freaking tweaked it'll take me forever to get weechat the way i want :)
[01:25] <yago> Why do people still use IRC? I know it's pretty stablished, but aren't there tools with more capabilites, which are also easier?
[01:26] <wxl> i don't find anything easier to use than irc, especially if you consider being on many channels
[01:26] <yago> (you can tell me to stop asking questions as soon as you want ;p)
[01:26] <wxl> being in multiple google hangouts, for example, would suck.
[01:27] <adueppen> I'm using pidgin since I have a gui addiction
[01:27] <knome> irc does what it does better and more cleanly than any other platform
[01:27] <wxl> pidgin and irc dont' mix well imho
[01:27] <wxl> gui irc clients just seem weird to me
[01:27] <knome> pidgin is okay for irc if you use irc sporadically and not on very many channels
[01:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: it depends on the technical ability of the person IMO
[01:28] <adueppen> also it's fine when using a bouncer, except that bnc4free is down right now
[01:28] <knome> not that i would use it myself, but i can see why people use it, and have suggested some people to use it with irc
[01:29] <wxl> generally, i don't recommend cli clients to very noobish folks, so agreed tsimonq2
[01:29] <yago> I get your point, but I still find strange things like not being able to send a pic w/o using 3rd party services
[01:29] <wxl> of course i do kind of feel like the work flow of using irc in pidgin is funky and unintuitive
[01:29] <wxl> yago: there's always dcc XD
[01:30] <adueppen> yeah I would use irssi but as I said I have a GUI addiction
[01:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: which is why the beginners page for IRC for our LoCo uses Kiwi
[01:30] <wxl> i don't really have a need to send lots of pics, so it's a small issue for me
[01:30] <knome> wxl, good luck handling the received file on your shell server...
[01:30] <wxl> knome: that's what libcaca's for XD
[01:31] <tsimonq2> lib caca?
[01:31] <tsimonq2> what? XD
[01:31] <wxl> gotta jet
[01:31] <wxl> talk later folks
[01:31] <tsimonq2> bai wxl
[01:31] <tsimonq2> have fun
[01:32]  * tsimonq2 wishes he had a private jet :P
[01:36]  * adueppen wishes tsimonq2 would use said jet to visit him
[01:36] <yago> Pleased to meet you, guys!
[01:36]  * tsimonq2 would use said jet to visit adueppen, and would bring (insert name of adueppen's favorite food here)
[01:36] <yago> Gonna rest for a while
[01:37] <tsimonq2> o/ yago
[01:37] <yago> Bye!
[01:37] <adueppen> tsimonq2: my favorite food would definitely be Cote d'Or chocolate
[01:37] <knome> food?
[01:38] <adueppen> knome: see above
[01:38] <knome> i mean i don't consider chocolate "food"
[01:38] <adueppen> knome: well it is gosh darnit
[01:38] <tsimonq2> off being counterproductive for now
[01:38] <tsimonq2> o/
[01:38] <adueppen> ok bye tsimonq2
[01:38] <knome> nope, it's candy :P
[01:39] <adueppen> knome: candy can be food if you want it to be
[01:39] <knome> ugh.. i'll pass
[01:40] <adueppen> knome: I will admit that I have a chocolate addiction so I'm biased
[01:40] <knome> well as much as i like chocolate, when i'm hungry i really want something salty
[01:40] <adueppen> knome: Barbecue potato chips? I love those as well
[01:41] <knome> gosh
[01:41] <knome> by salty i mean REAL food
[01:41] <knome> like lamb vindaloo
[01:41] <knome> :P
[01:41] <adueppen> knome: yeah I'm more of the kind who loves junky food
[06:51] <daniellim> hello
[07:51] <darkxst> where have all the students gone? anyone want to work a bash/python script related to git?
[07:53] <flocculant> same place as all the canonical people who thought it would be a great idea to run this - just before they all went away for weeks - holiday :)
[07:54] <darkxst> flocculant, is jose canonical?
[07:55] <jose> darkxst: no, I'm not - I'm community
[07:55] <jose> why is that?
[07:55] <darkxst> jose, that is what I thought, see flocculant's comment
[07:55] <jose> flocculant: oh, there's people around
[07:55] <flocculant> right
[07:57] <flocculant> funny how for the last week - it's been community people in here trying to help people, canonical people brought up the 'plan' then went on holiday
[07:58] <darkxst> flocculant, pretty sure jose "brought up the plan"
[07:59] <flocculant> not that I particularly care about that - but it's not fair on students picking task that flounder because there's no-one here to help them
[07:59] <darkxst> but no denying the canonical staff just abandoned things
[07:59] <flocculant> darkxst: pretty sure that jose said 'wow that'd be a good idea I've been hoping for this' or something to that effect
[07:59] <flocculant> yep
[07:59] <darkxst> well most of the time there are people that can help
[08:00] <jose> and that's the reason why I emailed the list asking if any additional mentors were needed
[08:00] <darkxst> all mentors can approve other tasks
[08:00] <flocculant> darkxst: for the most part yes - but it has been half a dozen of us
[08:00] <jose> yep, plus if someone needs to be added as a mentor, we can do that
[08:00] <flocculant> yea - I've approved things for others ofc
[08:00] <jose> flocculant: if you need additional help or another mentor in, please don't hesitate to ask
[08:00] <flocculant> jose: oh I'm fine :)
[08:02] <darkxst> flocculant, atleast us community mentors out number the students apparently!
[08:02] <flocculant> \o/
[08:02] <flocculant> the force is strong in us :p
[08:03] <flocculant> sorry - had to say it  ...
[08:03] <darkxst> flocculant, you sound like a star wars movie ;)
[08:03] <jose> it happens that participation decreases after the first one or two weeks of contest. some people only run for the tshirt, some others go for the big prize
[08:04] <flocculant> jose: yea
[08:04] <darkxst> yeh I noticed that, many only go for the 3 tasks
[08:04] <jose> I, however, am quite happy that we have students participating. and we've been one of the biggest orgs this year!
[08:04] <flocculant> jose: don't get me wrong - I think it's been good stuff - I've been happy with the couple who've done loads for the qa tracker
[08:05] <jose> darkxst: btw, you have a task waiting for review :P
[08:06] <darkxst> jose, which? not showing up here
[08:06] <jose> darkxst: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5690447309570048/
[08:06] <jose> oh, no, not you
[08:07] <darkxst> jose, what is that?
[08:07] <jose> it's octoquad
[08:07] <jose> nvm
[08:07] <darkxst> I suspect octoquad was added by accident
[08:07] <darkxst> he can't review code
[08:07] <jose> the task description is very vague
[08:08] <jose> I don't understand what it is
[08:08] <darkxst> and I have no idea who is the other mentor
[08:08] <darkxst> can you delete the task?
[08:09] <jose> I've unpublished, though there are two instances who have already been taken
[08:09] <jose> let me try and contact the other mentor though
[08:09] <darkxst> ok
[08:18] <flocculant> jose: iirc popey was trying to unpublish that task completely
[08:18] <jose> flocculant: was that discussion here? if so, so I can read backlog and unassign students now
[08:19] <flocculant> yea it was https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6320432038805504/?sp-page=1
[08:19] <flocculant> abandoned apparently
[08:21] <flocculant> jose: ctrl+f vague finds both :D
[08:21] <jose> my backlog doesn't go back that much but I'll unassign students now
[08:21] <flocculant> s/both/both discussions ...
[08:21] <flocculant> oh ok - well that ^^ was the other instance I know about
[08:22] <jose> I see two instances on my end, so I'm gonna work on unassigning the two students
[08:24] <flocculant> ok - thanks jose :)
[08:25] <darkxst> if there are students that actually want to work on code, I can add more tasks, but so far they all seem to be gravitating towards the phone stuff
[08:25] <flocculant> shiny :)
[08:26] <flocculant> we've had 1 who has patiently worked through most of the tracker tasks - I'd give that one a cookie
[08:26] <jose> you know, I would love to see some of the students become Ubuntu Members later next year.
[08:26] <darkxst> I assume you mean qatracker there! and not tracker ;)
[08:27] <jose> you can invite them to continue contributing, and then apply for membership when the time comes. even better, they would've already passed 2 of the 6 months of contributions required for membership!
[08:28] <flocculant> darkxst: yea  - still half asleep and almost time to hit the salt-mine
[08:28] <darkxst> jose, I'd say there are 3-4 that I have worked with, provided they maintain contributions after GCI
[08:28] <flocculant> jose: one has been in #xubuntu-devel \o/
[08:28] <jose> woot woot!
[08:28] <jose> this was all I wanted from the contest - to get fresh new people with cool ideas around. big smile here!
[08:31] <flocculant> well - have a good day both - bbl
[08:32] <jose> o/
[08:32] <darkxst> jose, I think the students leading need some encouragement to dig deeper
[08:32] <darkxst> some have completed like 16+ tasks, but nothing really beyond intermediate level
[08:32] <jose> feel free to invite them to channels and MLs, and also, if they have any ideas on tasks, I believe it would be nice if we could create tasks for them
[08:34] <darkxst> lol, this is the problem, ask a student what they want to work on, they dont know!
[08:36] <jose> lol
[08:36] <darkxst> they just want to scroll through a list looking for something interesting
[08:41] <darkxst> jose what, really? " 219 students are working on your assigned tasks"
[08:42] <jose> eeeeh nope. 28
[08:42] <jose> 2,(-1+9)
[08:43] <darkxst> apparently that includes every task, whether completed, abandoned etc
[08:44] <jose> ooooh
[11:15] <DanChapman> morning o/ hope you all had a great xmas :-D
[11:41] <edve98> hi :)
[11:47] <DanChapman> hey edve98
[12:15] <edve98> when I'm trying to configure x server for building it says I need xfont package, but I can't find such. any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[12:17] <knome> edve98, you'll likely need libxfont-dev
[12:18] <edve98> it works now, thanks!
[12:19] <edve98> +knome: how did you knew/guessed that I need this package?
[12:20] <knome> lib*-dev
[12:20] <knome> or *-dev
[12:20] <knome> is usually a good first guess..
[12:21] <edve98> I see, thanks again :)
[12:22] <knome> no problem
[12:24] <edve98> does naming packages this way give some kind of advantage (for egzample why couldn't there be just 'xfont' pachage)?
[12:25] <knome> naming libraries as lib* makes sense if you think about it
[12:25] <knome> and -dev packages are the packages required for building and developing
[12:26] <knome> for example, libxfont1 exists, which is the package you need when running stuff that uses libxfont
[14:55] <edve98> I've finally got mir running! Demo server runs fine, but.... How do I shut it down? :D
[15:12] <ambrosechua> wowo
[15:31] <ambrosechua> unicodingunicorn: hi!
[15:32] <unicodingunicorn> heya!
[17:28] <tsimonq2> jose: just looking at a few things said here, I want to comment: 02:26:52 AM <@jose> you know, I would love to see some of the students become Ubuntu Members later next year. as well as 02:27:38 AM <@jose> you can invite them to continue contributing, and then apply for membership when the time comes. even better, they would've already passed 2 of the 6 months of contributions required for membership!...my comment on this is some students ha
[17:32] <adueppen> does anyone here know how I would go about running ubiquity as root on startup on the live cd?
[17:34] <tsimonq2> adueppen: uhh sudo ubiquity? :D
[17:34] <adueppen> tsimonq2: yeah but on startup of the ISO
[17:34] <tsimonq2> hmm
[17:35] <adueppen> I'll try messing with the kernel command line
[17:35] <tsimonq2> adueppen: the first person that comes to mind would be Kamilion. Send him a PM.
[18:10] <flocculant> adueppen: why do you need to do that? for a task?
[18:11] <adueppen> flocculant: yeah, for the task to fix bug 1527353. I would include a link but I'm too short on RAM to open a web browser
[18:11] <adueppen> The task is called "Fix Ubuntu Live Image greeter (Try Ubuntu screen) if that helps
[18:13] <flocculant> adueppen: I know the bug :)
[18:15] <adueppen> flocculant: so, do you know if there's a way to run ubiquity-dm as root on startup without having to modify the ISO?
[18:16] <adueppen> nevermind, kamilion is here
[19:28] <darkxst> adueppen, the service will run as root
[19:30] <adueppen> darkxst: so does that mean that systemd is indeed dropping privileges for ubiquity?
[19:30] <darkxst> adueppen, I don't know
[19:31] <adueppen> darkxst: how do you suggest that I check
[19:33] <darkxst> not to sure
[19:34] <jose> ps aux | grep [u]bquity?
[19:34] <jose> or sudo ps aux, then check who owns the process
[19:35] <darkxst> jose, if only it was that simple, this is all wrapped up in the boot process
[19:35] <jose> ah
[19:36] <adueppen> I do know that there is something that runs at boot when "Install *bunti" is selected called "only-ubiquity"
[19:36] <darkxst> that gets passed to ubiquity, and tells it to go straight to install mode
[19:37] <darkxst> does that option work though?
[19:37] <adueppen> the "install ubuntu" option?
[19:37] <darkxst> yes, do you get the installer? or live sessions?
[19:39] <adueppen> I always get a text mode boot screen with the "Try ubuntu" and "Install ubuntu" options on it as well as stuff like booting from the first hard disk and testing memory
[19:42] <adueppen> darkxst: screenshot for reference: http://i.imgur.com/pkzfAoZ.png
[19:43] <darkxst> it should boot to UI after you select it though
[19:43] <adueppen> darkxst: it does, test ubuntu works fine but install ubuntu suffers from that bug
[19:45] <darkxst> adueppen, perhaps you can try make ubiquity start later in the boot cycle?
[19:45] <adueppen> darkxst: how would I do that?
[19:45] <darkxst> you will need to make a persistant USB
[19:45] <darkxst> and then delete the flag casper makes before each reboot
[19:46] <darkxst> then you can mess with the systemd units etc
[19:46] <adueppen> darkxst: will I need to use a real machine for that?
[19:47] <darkxst> I think virtualbox can boot from USB
[19:47] <adueppen> OK, will I need to use a real USB drive an Unetbootin for that?
[19:48] <darkxst> yes
[19:56] <adueppen> this is my first time using unetbootin in over a year
[22:08] <flocculant> balloons: can you try and respond to Hunter on the last qa tracker issue? bit of an odd ball, we've got traker info not quite marrying with LP there, or the bug is a bit meh
[22:09] <flocculant> balloons: I know you're on vacation - but this is the last one of 'these' issues we have tasks for - I'd rather tell the student to unassign than have them hang about
[22:55] <jose> flocculant: try emailing, people on holidays don't usually check irc but do check their inboxes
[22:59] <flocculant> jose: and people working for canonical are unlikely to read work e-mail ;)
[23:00] <jose> flocculant: not at all
[23:00] <flocculant> whatever
[23:00] <jose> they check them more frequently than what you think
[23:00] <flocculant> he's logged in - I left the message
[23:05] <tsimonq2> jose: do some of them have alerts on their phones maybe?
[23:05] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:06] <flocculant> who knows - they are on holiday tsimonq2
[23:06] <tsimonq2> jsut saying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:07] <flocculant> yea
[23:08] <knome> balloons is usually pretty responsive - when he's working
[23:08] <knome> when he's off, he's off
[23:09] <flocculant> yea for sure - it's just massive fail from canonical here
[23:10] <flocculant> 3 admins - 2 canonical on holiday and jose about sometimes
[23:10] <tsimonq2> I sent him an email last week...still hasn't gotten back to me XD
[23:10] <flocculant> tsimonq2: why would he - he's on holiday ;)
[23:11] <tsimonq2> which is why I need to be an admin! :D (*joking*)
[23:11] <flocculant> which is why I don't want to be a mentor anymore - not joiking in the least
[23:11] <flocculant> I'll talk to either balloons or popey when he turns up
[23:12] <tsimonq2> flocculant: uhh why?
[23:13]  * tsimonq2 has too much free time
[23:13] <tsimonq2> :P
[23:13] <flocculant> I work for a living tsimonq2 - and give what time I can, if the people setting something up think they can just wander off for however long - why should I stay?
[23:14] <tsimonq2> you have a point
[23:14] <flocculant> I always do - I won't paint it in pretty colours though
[23:15] <tsimonq2> lol British spelling XD
[23:15] <flocculant> ?
[23:16] <adueppen> flocculant: apparently that's funny on this channel now
[23:16]  * tsimonq2 is American and is fascinated with British spellings
[23:17] <flocculant> adueppen: mmm - well there is only one whay to spull thngs correctly - that'll be inglish :D
[23:17] <flocculant> tsimonq2: heh - when you get to my age you'll work out there are other things :p
[23:17] <tsimonq2> LOL
[23:17] <adueppen> flocculant so mnay speeling mitsakes
[23:18] <flocculant> adueppen: but you could read it :D
[23:19] <adueppen> now that I think about it, there should maybe be a #ubuntu-google-offtopic channel
[23:19] <tsimonq2> which I am now op on XD
[23:19] <knome> why? it's not like people in this channel aren't able to get the communication done
[23:19] <flocculant> adueppen: in a week this will be off-topic?
[23:24] <flocculant> balloons: can you please remove me as a mentor - if there are any tasks where I am the only mentor then I will  deal with current tasks, but please unpublish any where I am the only mentor - thanks
[23:24] <flocculant> so I'll not need voice now ;)
[23:25] <knome> balloons, instead of what flocculant just said, please assign all non-mentor tasks to me :
[23:25] <knome> :P