[00:01] <seeeb> I'll addd the sources manually
[00:02] <seeeb> manually resolved that :)
[00:10] <dave4925_z> yeah just manually resolve it for each instance
[09:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[14:12] <jaawerth> hi, folks! I've got what I hope is a quick question - on a few of my servers after running processes that /run/user is full, and doesn't seem to ever empty. It doesn't seem to break anything, and I realize /run/user/$id is a SystemD tmpfs thing - but I'm wondering if it not emptying is a problem?
[14:13] <jaawerth> from what I've been able to find, it's supposed to empty when a user logs out, so presumably it has something to do with ongoing processes that run as specific users
[14:53] <EmilienM> can I deploy OpenStack mitaka with trusty-proposed repo?
[15:29] <Walex2> jaawerth: that is not supposed ever to get full... However echk the value of 'echo $TMP' for some of those users.
[15:33] <jaawerth> Walex2: haha, I think I just figured it out - my fault for leaving a tmux session open, at least one this one machine I'd just been testing it on. Thanks though
[15:33] <jaawerth> echo $TMP came back empty but I think it just wasn't clearing because I hadn't logged out in a while
[15:33] <Walex2> jaawerth: perhaps you need a larger allocation to that
[15:33] <jaawerth> yeah, it's just 100M
[15:33] <jaawerth> and on that box in particular I do some data-write-intensive stuff
[15:53] <jaawerth> ah, looks like the shell env var is $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
[16:11] <Walex2> jaawerth: gah, the usual XDG crap.
[16:25] <jvwjgames> Hi guys remember my interface problem on my server
[16:34] <lordievader> Err, maybe with some more details?
[16:35] <seeeb> is there a lubuntu channel or related stuff here is okay?
[16:38] <lordievader> seeeb: There is a Lubuntu channel, yes.
[16:38] <lordievader> !alis | seeeb
[16:38] <seeeb> cool thanks lordievader
[18:24] <jaawerth> Walex2: common complaint with SystemD stuff? I've not paid a ton of attention to the controversy over it
[19:21] <jvwjgames> Hello guys
[20:05] <pmatulis> hello
[20:41] <Horler> Hey peeps, what sort of communication should I use to transfer files to my ubuntu server vps?
[20:41] <ikonia> scp ? sftp ?
[20:41] <Horler> I've been told that ftp is insecure.
[20:42] <ikonia> yup
[20:42] <rattking> rsync over ssh?
[20:42] <ikonia> depends what you want to do really
[20:42] <Horler> Plus, I'm a beginner.
[20:42] <ikonia> nothing wrong with that
[20:42] <Horler> Well, I manage a game server with friends... so I want people to be just in their own folder to edit/upload scripts of games
[20:42] <Horler> That's my purpose
[20:43] <ikonia> Horler: thats something you'll have to plan out
[20:43] <ikonia> as that could leave your server very open
[20:43] <Horler> What'd you recommend?
[20:44] <ikonia> you'd need to secure their users, decide about interactive shells/not, depending on that setup, make sure you use a method that has a client they can all use
[20:44] <ikonia> you need to put thought into it and plan it
[20:45] <Horler> to be honest, that went right above my head.
[20:45] <Horler> We're just two people, any simple ftp for now?
[20:46] <ikonia> I'd stay away from transfering anything over the internet via ftp
[20:46] <Horler> all right
[20:47] <ikonia> (its your call of course)
[20:47] <Horler> There's this sort of website for some files I want to download
[20:47] <Horler> when I use windows to go that link, it as usual download the files
[20:47] <Horler> but in ubuntu when I say wget url
[20:48] <ikonia> whats the url for one of the files you want
[20:48] <Horler> wget http://linux.mtasa.com/dl/151/multitheftauto_linux_x64-1.5.1.tar.gz
[20:48] <ikonia> works fine for me
[20:49] <Horler> wget this_link_above
[20:49] <Horler> gives this error :
[20:49] <Horler> wget: unable to resolve host address 'linux.mtasa.com'
[20:49] <Horler> weird
[20:49] <ikonia> your dns isn't working
[20:50] <ikonia> you need to point your server at working dns servers
[20:50] <Horler> I bought this VPS from a hosting company
[20:50] <Horler> how can I do that?
[20:50] <ikonia> ask them to configure it to point to their DNS servers
[20:51] <Horler> ah... okay... is there anything that I can do? I need it soon you know
[20:51] <ikonia> log a call to them
[20:51] <ikonia> and they should do it quickly
[20:51] <ikonia> should only take 5 minutes work
[20:51] <Horler> ah okay ;)
[20:52] <Horler> next(probably last)
[20:52] <Horler> I might stick to the vsftpd idea for now
[20:52] <Horler> Is there any way to lock user to a directory rather than his home directory?
[20:52] <ikonia> that is probably the most respected ftp server, but it is still a huge risk
[20:52] <ikonia> vspftd has a chroot home option
[20:53] <Horler> so that he can't go to his parent?
[20:53] <ikonia> yes
[20:53] <Horler> oh
[20:53] <Horler> i want to lock him to something that is not it's home
[20:53] <ikonia> you can do that
[20:53] <ikonia> chroot home allows you to set it where you want
[20:53] <ikonia> but it would be easier to just change his home dir to where you want to lock him
[20:53] <Horler> what is the command of that thing?
[20:53] <ikonia> as if you want to lock him somewhere, whats the point of having his home directory somewhere else
[20:53] <ikonia> it's not a "command"
[20:54] <ikonia> it's config option
[20:54] <ikonia> vsftpd is well documented
[20:54] <Horler> that vsftpd.conf file?
[20:54] <ikonia> thats one of the config files
[20:54] <ikonia> it can be modular
[20:56] <Horler> is there a guide for it anywhere official?
[20:58] <Horler> ikonia: I made chroot_local_user=YES
[20:59] <Horler> so... If i'll create an user now, he'll be restricted in /home/nameofuser?
[21:04] <ikonia> no
[21:04] <ikonia> did you read the doc about what you need
[21:05] <Horler> I did
[21:05] <ikonia> super
[21:05] <ikonia> just sort out your auth
[21:06] <Horler> I now logged in winscp from my new user, it took me to somewhere in etc folder
[21:06] <Horler> yeah, I can only make files in my home directory once I go there
[21:06] <Horler> Can I make user to log in only in his home?
[21:08] <ikonia> thats what you've just done
[21:10] <Horler> why am I being taken to etc when I First log in?
[21:10] <ikonia> look at your config
[21:11] <Horler> nothing there
[21:11] <ikonia> there will be
[21:12] <Horler> nope!
[21:12] <Horler> i just proofread it, nothing
[21:13] <ikonia> check the home directory of the user and the ftproot
[21:15] <Horler> nothing...
[21:16] <ikonia> it won't just dump you into /etc for fun
[21:17] <Horler> even my root is taking me to etc
[21:17] <Horler> very weird
[21:17] <ikonia> so that would suggest something such as the default ftproot
[21:17] <ikonia> and root should not be able to login
[21:17] <ikonia> that suggest you have changed your machine from the default config
[21:17] <Horler> i must re-install it
[21:43] <bekks> Why?
[21:43] <bekks> Just because you did not configure WinSCP correctly?
[21:43] <bekks> In WinSCP, you can setup which folder should be opened upon connecting.
[21:45] <Horler> Ah bekks... thanks but I'm late now :(
[21:46] <Horler> but however, the user must open in his home directory, to which I locked him?
[21:46] <Horler> I don't want him to wander around view files
[21:46] <bekks> At least it will teach you that reinstalling does not solve problems.
[21:46] <bekks> If you dont want a user to see other content, you need to create a login chroot/jail.
[21:47] <Horler> yeah, that, how do I do that?
[21:49] <bekks> Like this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/93411/simple-easy-way-to-jail-users
[21:51] <Horler> woah
[21:51] <Horler> that's too much
[21:52] <bekks> Thats the EASY way.
[21:55] <Horler> You sure? Do you have anything else than FTP just to transfer files?
[21:56] <bekks> Sure.
[21:56] <bekks> SFTP, implemented by SSH.
[21:57] <Horler> All right, how do I install it?
[21:58] <bekks> You already did, since you installed openssh-server.
[21:58] <Horler> I didnt!
[21:59] <jelly> who did, then??
[21:59] <bekks> Horler: Well, then try to explain how you can connect using ssh ...
[22:00] <Horler> I was using ftp? vsftpd
[22:00] <bekks> Then you should try.
[22:00] <bekks> Since you are using a server, openssh-server is installed.
[22:01] <Horler> oh okay
[22:01] <Horler> then?
[22:01] <bekks> Then what?
[22:01] <bekks> Then you are using SSH. And that implements SFTP.
[22:03] <Horler> no offence but I'm a total noob
[22:04] <Horler> so... all right
[22:04] <Horler> ah man
[22:05] <bekks> Well, maybe you should take a very close look at https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html understanding what SSH is.
[22:10] <Horler> i get that now...
[22:10] <Horler> we just have two things to transfer files? ftp and sftp? that's it?
[22:12] <bekks> Who is "we"?
[22:13] <Horler> ubuntu community?
[22:13] <ikonia> ??
[22:13] <bekks> That statement makes no sense at all.
[22:13] <ikonia> if you only have 2 things to move,, just copy them on
[22:13] <ikonia> forget all this chrooting and stuff
[22:13] <ikonia> just copy the 2 things into place and be done
[22:13] <Horler> all right
[22:14] <bekks> I guess he thinks that "we" only have ftp and sftp for transgerring files.
[22:14] <bekks> *transferring
[22:14] <Horler> yep
[22:14] <Horler> I think that
[22:14] <bekks> Which is wrong.
[22:15] <Horler> what else do we have and what 2 things do I need to copy?
[22:15] <Horler> sorry guys, I just haven't been on ubuntu...
[22:16] <bekks> Besides FTP and SFTP, there is FTPS, NFS, SMB, CIFS, AFP, and a LOT more.
[22:16] <Horler> I just have one single purpose... give me friends access to only their own folders... not mess around in other folders...
[22:16] <rattking> if you will allow the user ssh access I would enable ssh server make them an account and use 'scp file user@host:~/" to write it to their home dir
[22:16] <bekks> Setup chrooted FTP, as being provided the link before.
[22:16] <bekks> Which you said is too complicated for you.
[22:17] <rattking> that way you leverage ssh for encryption and auth, but it has the down side of giving the user a shell on the box
[22:18] <Horler> bekks: the chroot part is too complicated
[22:18] <Horler> rattking: I've no clue
[22:19] <bekks> Horler: Which is a basic requirement as you stated.
[22:20] <patdk-wk> ftps is so broken
[22:20] <patdk-wk> no need to give a user a shell
[22:20] <patdk-wk> just lock the user to sftp
[22:20] <patdk-wk> scp requires a shell
[22:21] <patdk-wk> if you really don't want to deal with ssh chroot, and must have chroot, use proftpd sftp
[22:21] <bekks> vsftpd can chroot users too.
[22:21] <Horler> bekks: yeah
[22:21] <Horler> I tried... didn't work
[22:22] <JanC> openssh+sftp isn't that hard to set up, right?
[22:22] <bekks> You tried what, and what founded a works council and stopped working with which message?
[22:22] <bekks> JanC: sudo apt-get install openssh-server :)
[22:22] <bekks> JanC: aka "yes, easy" :)
[22:23] <JanC> bekks: it's slightly more work than that for sftp-only + chroot
[22:23] <JanC> but not really that much
[22:24] <Horler> all right
[22:24] <Horler> I'll try openssh-server now
[22:25] <Horler> it's already to newest version
[22:25] <bekks> As I said.
[22:26] <Horler> What should be done now?
[22:26] <bekks> Connect using SFTP.
[22:28] <Horler> I must get a sftp client for windows first
[22:28] <bekks> You have one.
[22:28] <bekks> WinSCP.
[22:28] <Horler> winscp yeah, done
[22:28] <Horler> Oh my god
[22:29] <Horler> I've been using openssh since the starting! :o
[22:29] <bekks> Thats what you have been told, yes.
[22:30] <Horler> all right, but I didn't use all that ssh keys
[22:30] <Horler> just root, ip, and password
[22:31] <bekks> All those ssh keys are explained in the article about openssh-server I've been giving you.
[22:34] <Horler> ssh-copy-id username@remotehost
[22:34] <Horler> what's this
[22:38] <Horler> okay
[22:38] <rattking> that will copy your ssh public key to the server so you can get in without the users password
[22:38] <Horler> all done as of those keys
[22:38] <Horler> now what
[22:38] <Horler> how can I connect without root... ip and password
[22:43] <bekks> Horler: Connecting without IP?
[22:43] <bekks> Do you know what an IP is, and what it is used for?
[22:43] <Horler> yeah yeah
[22:44] <bekks> I dont think so, honestly.
[22:45] <Horler> in winscp
[22:45] <Horler> It must be like root@myip?
[22:46] <bekks> Without an IP, you cannot connect to an IP.
[22:49] <Horler> all right I get it!
[22:49] <Horler> but to generate a ssh key for my computer
[22:49] <Horler> shouldn't I have ubuntu at my home?
[22:50] <bekks> You already did all that, since you ran:  1229 233441 < Horler> ssh-copy-id username@remotehost
[22:50] <bekks> And:
[22:50] <bekks> 1229 233812 < Horler> all done as of those keys
[22:50] <Horler> I did that on my ubuntu server
[22:50] <bekks> Which is pointless.
[22:51] <Horler> yep
[22:51] <Horler> I must do it on windows command line
[22:51] <rattking> ohh yeah ssh-copy-id woudl be used by the client to put their key on the server
[22:52] <Horler> and then, when I copy my public key, I'll put it on my ovh control panel
[22:52] <Horler> bekks: seems fine now?
[22:52] <bekks> No.
[22:52] <bekks> 1229 235126 < rattking> ohh yeah ssh-copy-id woudl be used by the client to put their key on the server
[22:53] <bekks> You are trying to do it vice versa.
[22:53] <Horler> eh
[22:53] <Horler> I'll make a ssh key from windows and paste it on my vps control panel, is that correct?
[22:53] <bekks> No.
[22:53] <Horler> or what
[22:53] <Horler> all right
[22:54] <bekks> The VPS control panel is irrelevant.
[22:54] <Horler> ah
[22:54] <Horler> Where should I paste it then?
[22:54] <Horler> authorize_keys?
[22:54] <bekks> Where should you paste what?
[22:55] <ikonia> this is getting sily now
[22:55] <bekks> Horler: Please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys first.
[22:55] <ikonia> there is no way you should have a server on the internet at this stage of learning
[22:56] <Horler> all right, will do. thank you so much guys
[23:28] <latsni> Hi, i have a server, and i want the server to send emails (atm via sendmail) to my email address, i could do it via aliases, but unfortunately my mailserver uses greylisting and the emails of the server are not accepted. could someone give me a hint what i could search for or do, so that sendmail respect the greylisting of my mailserver? (searching the net only show me guides for implementing greylisting ..)