[06:27] <nuvolari> :D
[06:27] <nuvolari> Happy happy everything
[06:40] <Kilos> afternoon everyone
[06:43] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos!
[06:44] <Kilos> lo nuvolari hoe gaan dit seun
[06:44] <nuvolari> 'n laat Geseënde Kersfees oom Kilos :)
[06:44] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie en met oom?
[06:44] <Kilos> selle daar dankie seun
[06:45] <Kilos> ek gaan aan soos gewoonlik
[07:11] <nuvolari> ek was stupid
[07:11] <nuvolari> het verlof gevat tot net voor die nuwe jaar
[07:11] <nuvolari> nou werk ek die week 3 dae :-/
[07:22] <Kilos> ai!
[08:48] <inetpro> good evening everyone 
[09:21]  * nuvolari mumbles something about people breaking things and going on leave when stuff is still in a broken state
[09:21] <nuvolari> oh hi inetpro!
[09:21] <nuvolari> :'( everything was fine when I left
[09:57] <Kilos> evening inetpro 
[09:58] <Kilos> thats the way things work nuvolari 
[09:58] <inetpro> Kilos: eh!
[09:58] <inetpro> still morning for you sir
[09:58] <Kilos> dont do anything you can leave for someone else to fix
[09:58] <Kilos> oh ya  you right, sorry inetpro 
[10:21] <inetpro> as usual
[10:51] <Kilos> haha and so cheeky at it too
[11:18] <inetpro> always
[12:24] <Kilos> inetpro do you know what a VLN number is on a visa application please
[12:24] <Kilos> or superfly or anyone else
[12:28] <inetpro> is that not like the qunique application number?
[12:28] <inetpro> unique*
[12:29] <inetpro> as in when u apply you get a VLN number with the application
[12:30] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[12:30] <Kilos> i have no idea inetpro 
[12:31] <Kilos> thats why im asking
[12:31] <inetpro> look at your application
[12:31] <Kilos> ive googled and other peeps have the same problem
[12:34] <Kilos> nowhere says anything about a VLN number only a reference number
[12:34] <inetpro> sounds like something you really need to track down asap
[12:34] <Kilos> one cant even mail them directly, even that is an online function
[12:36] <Kilos> im gonna try put the ref number in the vln number block
[12:37] <Kilos> stupid site, you ask for password reset and it doesnt even give that option in the reply mail. just logs you in with email on 2 lines
[12:55] <superfly> I hear my name? 
[12:56] <Kilos> superfly do you know what a VLN number is in a visa application please
[12:56] <Kilos> and where you get it
[13:01] <Kilos> maybe its not given when you do an online application
[13:01] <Kilos> sigh
[13:10] <superfly> No. 
[13:10] <superfly> That's what they call it. That's their name. It's not a standard abbreviation. 
[13:11] <superfly> Kilos: if you want to know what a vln is, you're going to have to ask them 
[13:11] <Kilos> im trying ty superfly 
[13:12] <MaNI> whatever it is it should be on your receipt apparently
[13:15] <MaNI> "Visa Lodgement Number"
[13:23] <Kilos> we paid online as well MaNI 
[13:23] <Kilos> ill ask tara 
[13:23] <Kilos> ty for that
[13:37] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[13:37] <Langjan> Hi Kilos  did you find those numbers?
[13:38] <Kilos> nope tara looking now if she can find the vln on the online receipt
[13:38] <Kilos> the payment receipt
[13:38] <Langjan> Oh did they apply from that side?
[13:39] <Kilos> she paid the cost from her account
[13:39] <Langjan> ok but did you lodge the application? 
[13:39] <Kilos> she did most of the typing and stuff for me on the same account
[13:39] <Kilos> i gave her my particulars and she logged in as me
[13:41] <Langjan> and you or she must have received confirmation of lodgement - no wonder you hear nothing if you have not been quoting those details.  
[13:41] <inetpro> exactly my point
[13:42] <inetpro> hi oom Langjan
[13:42] <Langjan> hi inetpro 
[13:42] <Langjan> how are you keeping?
[13:42] <inetpro> warm!
[13:42] <inetpro> ons kook hier in Gautengeleng
[13:42] <Langjan> Ja here at Warmbaths also
[13:43] <Langjan> but not like before Xmas
[13:43] <inetpro> ou bome begin al vrek van die hitte
[13:44] <Langjan> Ja dis die hitte en droogte, daars nie meer water in die grond nie...
[13:44] <inetpro> have a Baldcypress that is like 50 years old turned brown like in Winter
[13:45] <inetpro> http://www.arborday.org/trees/treeguide/TreeDetail.cfm?ItemID=787
[13:45] <Langjan> Sjoe! Ek het twee avocado boompies gepanlt. albei dood
[13:45] <inetpro> and a yellowwood of almost 20 years
[13:47] <Langjan> The cypress is an exotic swamp dweller, will soon die of no water but the yellowwood, eish! Skade!
[13:47] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[13:47]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:48] <Langjan> Amla is also wilting!
[13:48] <inetpro> lol
[13:48] <Langjan> He started wilting in India, should not have played to my mind
[13:49] <inetpro>  eish! 89/3 ?
[13:49] <Langjan> Players must be picked on form, not history
[13:50] <inetpro> yep
[13:50] <Langjan> Yes he started the collapse, lost his wicket and upset Elgar's concentration
[13:50] <inetpro> let's hope AB can wake up from his sleep
[13:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[13:51] <Langjan> AB is wide awake but cannot win matches on his own
[13:51] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[13:51] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[13:52] <Langjan> Kilos,  did you get those numbers?
[13:52] <Kilos> nope still looking
[13:53] <Kilos> i dont member ever seeing the first mail with that info in
[13:59] <Langjan> I would think it should have been an automatically-generated process via the website when the application was lodged. 
[14:02] <Langjan> inetpro, while you're here, I have had a prob with my folders. When I try to save a new
[14:04] <Langjan> inetpro, any suggestions? when I use the "select" and "move to" options to save a document among my existing document folders, the folder list that comes up is shown in what appears to be a random order instead of alphabetical.
[14:06] <inetpro> Langjan: what application or file manager?
[14:08] <Langjan> Saving a new doc from Libre Office Writer into "My Documents"
[14:12] <Langjan> inetpro, saving a Libre Office Writer doc to "My Documents"
[14:15] <inetpro> sounds like you need to google the libreOffice forums for an answer on that
[14:17] <Langjan> I have, no joy but will try again. Am trying to emulate the prob, unsuccessful - will have to go when it happens again. Thanks
[14:17] <inetpro> I would rather use a file manager for managing files though
[14:18] <inetpro> default file manager in Ubuntu is Nautilus
[14:19] <inetpro> on KDE that would be Dolphin
[14:19] <inetpro> but there's many others
[14:19] <Langjan> Youve lost me now, but I have never been aware of how the docs are managed
[14:22] <Langjan> Will Nautilus not be automatic for docs in my home folder?
[14:25] <inetpro> a file is a file is a file
[14:26] <Langjan> You've lost the old man inetpro 
[14:27] <inetpro> Nautilus gives you a graphical display of all your system and personal files
[14:29] <Langjan> Nautilus shows installed and when I click open it shows my docs in home folder, also all the other files
[14:29] <inetpro> allowing you to move and organise files and folders much more effectively than LibreOffice's file dialog 
[14:30] <Langjan> I don't know about Libre Office file dialog, only use Libre Office to generate new files
[14:31] <inetpro> sorting and finding files is much easier in a proper file manager
[14:32] <Langjan> inetpro, seems to me like file manager is default in Ubuntu 14.04?
[14:32] <inetpro> 12/29 16:18:43 <inetpro> default file manager in Ubuntu is Nautilus
[14:33] <Langjan> Thats what I thought
[14:33] <inetpro> they just call it "file manager" these days
[14:33] <inetpro> I think
[14:35] <Langjan> Well I never have a prob managing my files except for this niggle which I am not even sure when it happens, will be on the lookout for it
[14:35] <inetpro> it's one of those applications that everyone is just expected to magically know how it works these days
[14:36] <inetpro> in the old days you would find a complete guide for it
[14:37] <inetpro> some people still prefer something like GNU Midnight Commander (also known as mc, the command used to start it)
[14:38] <Langjan> I remember peeps referring to nautilus, never knew what it was
[14:38] <inetpro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander
[14:40] <inetpro> also worth reading is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_manager
[14:44] <Langjan> Well I'm confident thats what my system is using - Nautilus. Thanks
[14:44] <inetpro> on windows you would be using something called the windows explorer, not to be confused with internet explorer
[14:44] <inetpro> even if those two are very closely linked to each other these days
[14:46] <inetpro> make that "inseparably linked" to each other
[14:50] <inetpro> fortunately, generally accepted throughout the Unix community, Unix programs have always been expected to follow the concept of DOTADIW
[14:50] <inetpro> Do One Thing and Do It Well
[14:53] <Kilos> lol
[14:54] <Kilos> i sent the mail to them with the visa ref number in the vln place now to wait up to 3 working days for a reply
[14:55] <inetpro> why only today oom Kilos?
[14:55] <inetpro> should have done it at least yesterday
[14:55] <Kilos> this is the third one
[14:55] <inetpro> now you'll have to wait until next year
[14:56] <Kilos> ya should have done it yesterday but one should expect at least some proficiency with visa peeps
[14:56] <Kilos> they do it all day everyday
[14:56] <Kilos> i even asked them to check if it hasnt been misplaced or lost
[14:57] <inetpro> hope they don't get "gatvol" and forget about your application altogether
[14:57] <Kilos> and to get me the vln number because i hunted all the old mails from them and no vln number anywhere
[14:58] <Kilos> im the one that should be gatvol
[14:58] <Kilos> wanted to spend Christmas with my girls
[14:58] <Kilos> i also reminded them that my last application took 2 years
[14:59] <inetpro> Kilos: it's called bureaucracy
[15:00] <Kilos> idiocracy
[15:00] <inetpro> a form of government, the authority of which is not so much to accomplish anything, but to obstruct accomplishment by anyone else
[15:00] <Kilos> no wonder the world is in such a state
[15:00] <Kilos> hahahaha so true that
[15:01] <inetpro> or administration characterized by excessive red tape and routine
[15:03] <Kilos> nope
[15:03] <Kilos> its all about money
[15:03] <Langjan> Should have been done 17 December...
[15:03] <Kilos> if you have a few mill and want a tourist visa theyll offer an immigration visa
[15:04] <Kilos> so they have time to work out how to get it out of you
[15:04] <inetpro> you should have married a rich girl oom Kilos
[15:05] <Kilos> ja
[15:05] <Langjan> Ja jy kan nie jou familie kies nie maar jy kan jou vrou kies...
[15:05] <Kilos> but they nag too much because they hold the purse strings
[15:06] <Kilos> we didnt have a choice even sigh
[15:06] <Langjan> no you do the nagging, they must just pay
[15:06] <Kilos> first sight and all was lost
[15:06] <Kilos> lol
[15:07] <Langjan> Well I'm sure it will all be worth the wait Kilos 
[15:07] <Kilos> if i can get there definitely
[15:07] <Langjan> Take heart - every day is one day closer
[15:07] <Kilos> hahahaha
[15:08] <Langjan> serious!
[15:08] <Kilos> ja man but so is death
[15:08] <Kilos> ill be a crock in a few years time
[15:09] <Langjan> Death is an open door to eternity, life eternal given by grace to all who accept it 
[15:10] <Langjan> Gota go Kilos , will check on you again soon
[15:10] <Kilos> go well my friend
[15:11] <Kilos> look after yourself
[15:11] <Kilos> ty for the help
[15:11] <Langjan> Thanks you also, wish I could help more, only a pleasure 
[18:14] <inetpro> wb oom Kilos
[18:14] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[18:14] <Kilos> dunno why i dropped out
[18:39] <Kilos> hi nasanzero 
[18:40] <nasanzero> hey Kilos
[18:40] <nasanzero> how you doing ?
[18:41] <inetpro> come now oom Kilos, how about doing the raindance?
[18:41] <inetpro> hi nasanzero
[18:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:41] <Kilos> we need more than that
[18:41] <Kilos> im good ty nasanzero and you?
[18:41] <nasanzero> hi there inetpro
[18:42] <nasanzero> i doing fine thanks
[18:42] <Kilos> inetpro whats with the oom all the time lately
[18:43] <Kilos> you making me feel old
[18:43] <inetpro> you are the old oom, not?
[18:43] <Kilos> well
[18:43] <Kilos> um
[18:43] <Kilos> er
[18:43] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:43] <Kilos> depends on who is asking i suppose
[18:44] <Kilos> langjan calls me laatie
[18:44] <Kilos> laaitie
[18:44] <inetpro> haha
[18:45] <Kilos> rather hot tonight and 36°c again tomorrow
[18:45] <Kilos> Maaz forecast pretoria
[18:45] <Maaz> Kilos: Tuesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 34° C., Tuesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 17° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 33° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 18° C., Thursday: Partly Cloudy. High: 33° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 20° C., Friday: Clear. High: 33° C., Friday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 19° C., Saturday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 32°
[18:45] <Maaz> C., Saturday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 18° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 33° C.,…
[18:46] <Kilos> weather liars give different temps
[18:53] <nasanzero> i have a question - has anyone tired to run vnc from an android phone to their linux box ?
[18:54] <Kilos> nuvolari you still here??
[19:12] <nasanzero> ok i will attempt it and let you how it goes
[19:12] <Kilos> good luck
[19:13] <Kilos> the fly might have but he seems to be busy as usual
[19:13] <Kilos> he fiddles with everything
[19:15] <nasanzero> just like me , cant have something and not tinker with it 
[19:17] <Kilos> haha
[19:17] <Kilos> inetpro you got some time?
[19:17] <Kilos> i need someone to report this to youtube-dl
[19:18] <Kilos> head too sore to work out what they want
[19:18] <Kilos> they give info
[19:18] <Kilos> here the command
[19:18] <Kilos> youtube-dl -f 140 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpkewaEgtVk
[19:19] <Kilos> i think peeps report error downloads and they fix it
[19:22] <Kilos> without the switch things i get same error so maybe its the tube blocking something
[19:36] <Kilos> maybe its just the https sites
[19:37] <nasanzero> i got it working really simple too
[19:37] <Kilos> well done
[19:38] <Kilos> you talking about vnc hey?
[19:38] <nasanzero> i am tying this from my phone
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: what is wrong with that?
[19:39] <Kilos> i get error report inetpro 
[19:39] <nasanzero> yes the vnc 
[19:39] <Kilos> spam
[19:39] <Kilos> ExtractorError: Could not find JS function u'gr'; please report this issue on https://yt-dl.org/bug . Make sure you are using the latest version; see  https://yt-dl.org/update  on how to update. Be sure to call youtube-dl with the --verbose flag and include its complete output.
[19:39] <Kilos>  (caused by ExtractorError(u"Could not find JS function u'gr'; please report this issue on https://yt-dl.org/bug . Make sure you are using the latest version; see  https://yt-dl.org/update  on how to update. Be sure to call youtube-dl with the --verbose flag and include its complete output.",)); please report this issue on https://yt-dl.org/bug . Make sure you are using the latest version; see  https://yt-dl.org/update  on how to update. Be sure to 
[19:39] <Kilos> call youtube-dl with the --verbose flag and include its complete output.
[19:40] <Kilos> sorry i forgot the pastebin
[19:41] <Kilos> inetpro  http://bin.snyman.info/zpyyu
[19:42] <Kilos> i need to crash will try again tomorrow
[19:42] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[19:43] <nasanzero> night Kilos
[19:43] <Kilos> inetpro leave a message with maaz if you get there ty
[19:43] <inetpro> ai!
[19:44]  * inetpro has no data to waste on youtube stuffs
[19:45] <inetpro> nasanzero: why vnc from Android?
[19:45] <inetpro> if you can just ssh
[19:46] <nasanzero> inetpro: just to show off to my friends , its your desktop on your phone , dont see that everyday
[19:46] <inetpro> not very practical
[19:48] <nasanzero> its not that bad , i am posting  from the phone 
[19:48] <inetpro> and?
[19:49] <nasanzero> its something i wanted to try out 
[19:51] <inetpro> wait until you see real convergence
[19:51] <inetpro> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-is-teasing-convergence-coming-soon-497990.shtml
[19:52] <nasanzero> i am waiting for the ubuntu tablet to get here 
[20:02] <nasanzero> good night all