[00:01] <clivejo> ah sgclark decremented to libkf5screen6, but the symbols file is refering tp libkf5screen7
[00:06] <valorie> clivejo: sitter and I went through all the old kubuntu pages on the ubuntu wiki, and copied what was good
[00:06] <valorie> if you see something we missed, please flag it somehow so we can pick it up
[00:07] <valorie> we didn't remove much, since that is 8 or so years of kubuntu history
[00:16]  * clivejo is off to bed
[00:16] <clivejo> night all
[00:17] <valorie> niters clivejo
[00:18] <valorie> sweet dreams
[00:21] <soee_> bye
[07:15] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: does this mean that this had a warning? 01:03:26 W, [2015-12-30T01:03:26.684863 #1]  WARN -- : APT run (apt-get, ["-y", "-o", "APT::Get::force-yes=true", "-o", "Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true", "update"])
[07:50] <ovidiu-florin> Yeee, I fixed one
[07:50] <ovidiu-florin> kind of...
[08:00] <valorie> cool!
[08:03] <ovidiu-florin> I don't understand why this one fails
[08:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:00] <ovidiu-florin> morning lordievader
[09:01] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you doing?
[09:02] <ovidiu-florin> I'm looking into http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_akonadi-calendar to see why it fails
[09:03] <ovidiu-florin> so, akonadi-calendar v15.12 should build just fine
[09:04] <ovidiu-florin> Im' looking into kcalcore
[09:04] <lordievader> Lots of 'cannot access'...
[09:06] <lordievader> Is it supposed to be <path>:<repeat-path>?
[09:10] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know
[09:11] <lordievader> I can imagine that cannot be found if it is given like that to cd ;)
[09:42] <ovidiu-florin> ^ faild because of KWallet failing
[09:42] <ovidiu-florin> dh_install: libpam-kwallet5 missing files (lib/*/security/pam_kwallet5.so), aborting
[09:42] <ovidiu-florin> debian/rules:27: recipe for target 'override_dh_install' failed
[09:43] <ovidiu-florin> I'd like to test this localy
[09:43] <ovidiu-florin> how can I do that?
[09:43] <ovidiu-florin> yofel? clivejo?
[09:44] <ovidiu-florin> I've started another build to see if the build logs are still validhttp://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kwallet-pam
[09:44] <ovidiu-florin> valid* http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kwallet-pam
[09:49] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: I suppose you can do that in a pbuilder environment using the sources.
[09:49] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: I don't know how to do that, or how to set one up
[09:50] <lordievader> Setting it up ain't to difficult [1], but it could be that the Kubuntu team has better ways ;) [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[09:50] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: got a buildlog for kwallet?
[09:50] <ovidiu-florin> kwallet-pam
[09:51] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: ^
[09:51] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo:  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/232295000/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kwallet-pam_4%3A5.5.1%2Bgit20151230.0942%2B16.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:52] <ovidiu-florin> the dh_install fails
[09:52] <ovidiu-florin> what's that?
[09:53] <clivejo> where is this from?
[09:54] <clivejo> kci?
[09:54] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[09:55] <clivejo> might be better to fix it in xenial archive
[09:55] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.2_xenial.html
[09:56] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: have you a xenial installation?
[09:57] <clivejo> or a pbuilder?
[09:57] <ovidiu-florin> same error 
[09:57] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: no
[09:57] <ovidiu-florin> how do I set one up?
[09:57] <clivejo> ok, you need one really
[09:58] <clivejo> first install the necessary packages
[09:58] <clivejo> sudo apt-get install pbuilder debootstrap devscripts
[09:59] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: maybe start a notepad so we can add this to the docs
[10:00] <lordievader> clivejo: The Ubuntu/Debian docs on pbuilder are quite nice.
[10:00] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: add it in the setup section
[10:00] <ovidiu-florin> what we need is any different?
[10:01] <clivejo> lordievader: yeah, but bit flakey on setting up different arch and distributions
[10:01] <lordievader> Is it?
[10:02] <clivejo> ok, ovidiu-florin is new to this, we'll use him a guinea pig!
[10:03] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: your task is to setup a xenial pbuild environment :)
[10:03] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[10:03] <ovidiu-florin> can I do this in a wily systme?
[10:03]  * clivejo has to go walk the pup
[10:04] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: how much do you walk it?
[10:04] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: yup, the whole idea of this is to create a building environment separate to your host
[10:04] <ovidiu-florin> I have to do the same
[10:04] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I was thinking of building a docker image for this
[10:05] <clivejo> never done that
[10:05] <clivejo> I believe LP uses pbuild
[10:05] <ovidiu-florin> No problem
[10:05] <clivejo> so we can create a nice clean LP like environment
[10:05] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: when do you go, and how ong do you walk your dog?
[10:06] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: hard to say, depends on weather and what else hes been doing
[10:07] <ovidiu-florin> I asked because I thought we should go at the same time
[10:07] <clivejo> if hes been "helping" me on the farm I dont tend to walk him on the lead as much
[10:07] <clivejo> Storm Fred has left me with a few issues to clean up
[10:08] <clivejo> Thanks Fred!
[10:08] <clivejo> I better go before he eats my wellies
[10:58] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo yofel https://hub.docker.com/r/ovidiub13/kubuntu-packaging-devel/
[10:59] <ovidiu-florin> you can check the github repo for more info
[10:59] <ovidiu-florin> and you can see the Dockerfile to see what it does
[10:59] <ovidiu-florin> so far I've done only what clivejo told me
[12:11] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: thanks, I'll look at it in ~3h or so
[12:12] <yofel> do you know a good docker guide? I'm not very familiar with it yet. Even if I'll probably manage to get the image running at least
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: to get the image you have the command on the image page
[12:28] <ovidiu-florin> just like github shows you the git clone command
[12:28] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: to run the image, depends on the image and what it does
[12:29] <yofel> the image is the output from the Dockerfile or did you modify it later? (if that's possible)
[12:30] <yofel> good start at least, but we'll need a way to configure it, or add a simple setup script (for stuff like DEBEMAIL etc.)
[12:30] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: of course
[12:31] <ovidiu-florin> I have that in plan, but I don't know yet what to add
[12:31] <ovidiu-florin> yes, it's the output of the Dockerfile
[12:32] <ovidiu-florin> it's an automated build from the Github repo
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:40] <ovidiu-florin> hi BluesKaj
[12:40] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: the best docker tutorial is the official Docker documentation
[12:41] <yofel> hm ok. Last time I read it I didn't get very far. But I didn't really have something to work on either back then.
[12:42] <BluesKaj> hi ovidiu-florin, yp
[12:43] <BluesKaj> yofel
[12:43] <yofel> hey
[12:46] <yofel> bbl
[13:13] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: should I add build-essential and cmake to the image?
[13:15] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: are you back?
[14:51] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: are you back?
[14:54] <soee_> hiho
[14:55] <soee_> tomorrow Alpha 1 of Xenial :)
[15:07] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: RE
[15:07] <ovidiu-florin> so that's a yes?
[15:07] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: offhand I would add: ubuntu-dev-tools, pkg-kde-tools, dpkg-dev
[15:08] <ovidiu-florin> added
[15:08] <yofel> for KA we'll need some python and ruby stuff, but python-launchpadlib, python3-launchpadlib are the only ones I know offhand
[15:08] <ovidiu-florin> anything else?
[15:10] <yofel> let me look through things a bit
[15:10] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[15:10] <yofel> git, git-buildpackage
[15:10] <yofel> bzr-builddeb
[15:11] <yofel> python-debian, python3-debian
[15:15] <yofel> python-distro-info python3-distro-info
[15:16] <yofel> python-apt, python3-apt
[15:17] <yofel> ruby
[15:18] <yofel> python-future
[15:23] <yofel> those are the deps for KA that I can see right now
[15:23] <yofel> we should probably also build and install kubuntu-dev-tools
[15:23] <yofel> (bzr repo at lp:kubuntu-dev-tools)
[15:24] <yofel> mostly obsolete, but I'm still using at least 2 scripts from there
[15:24] <ovidiu-florin> so we also need bazaar
[15:24] <yofel> bzr-builddeb should pull that in
[15:25] <ovidiu-florin> yup
[15:27] <yofel> we'll also need a small pbuilder guide. Question is whether we should just recommend pbuilder-dist (which is simple to use but has limited flexibility) or use a custom pbuilderrc which would allow flexible usage like explained on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment?action=recall&rev=14
[15:28] <yofel> I haven't read the ubuntu pbuilder guide in a long time
[15:29] <yofel> the pbuilder-hooks are a requirement really, you want to use those
[15:31]  * yofel off to make dinner, bbiab
[15:35] <ovidiu-florin> image is built with the dependencies
[15:35] <ovidiu-florin> working on adding a workspace now
[16:28] <ovidiu-florin> what's apt-utils?
[16:31] <yofel> nothing I particulary use
[16:31] <yofel> oh, also add apt-transport-https to the dep list
[16:34] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: did you get yourself a pbuild environment
[16:35] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I'm builting a Docker image for that
[16:36] <clivejo> oh
[16:36] <clivejo> can you make a pbuild one too
[16:37] <clivejo> if we get you up and running in pbuild, then look into docker
[16:37] <yofel> the point would be to have pbuilder running inside docker
[16:37] <soee_> someone is working on 5.5.2 ? :)
[16:38] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.2_xenial.html
[16:39] <clivejo> I wanted to show ovidiu-florin how to add in missing files for kwallet-pam
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> can I do something while the Docker image is beiing built?
[16:46] <soee_> http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
[16:55] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: I dont know anything about docker, so cant help you with that
[16:56] <ovidiu-florin> you missunderstood my question
[16:56] <clivejo> I did?
[16:58] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[16:58] <ovidiu-florin> I asked what can I do, regardles of what's happening with docker
[16:58] <clivejo> oh create a pbuild
[16:59] <clivejo> for xenial
[16:59] <clivejo> and add the staging ppa's
[17:01] <clivejo> and install the kubuntu pbuilder hooks
[17:02] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks
[17:04] <ovidiu-florin> how do I create a pbuild?
[17:04] <clivejo> yofel: could that be moved to git too?
[17:05] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: your challenge this morning was to see if you could create one using the ubuntu howto page
[17:05] <clivejo> and if you had problems to rewrite the docs
[17:05] <clivejo> I hit a few problems following those instructions
[17:05] <yofel> could be, I didn't bother with that so far
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> [12:01:05] <clivejo> lordievader: yeah, but bit flakey on setting up different arch and distributions
[17:06] <yofel> until there's some concrete advantage, I don't move stuff
[17:06] <ovidiu-florin> I took from here that it's different what we need from the Ubuntu docs
[17:06] <yofel> that's a clone-once-and-forget thing anyway usually
[17:06]  * clivejo dislikes bzr
[17:06] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: advantage is git > bzr
[17:07] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: the guide yofel pointed out is better IMO 
[17:07] <yofel> and the downside is that all current users need to remember to switch their checkouts and that people need to know that the location changed
[17:08] <clivejo> shame its in CategoryKubuntuRubbish
[17:08] <clivejo> does anyone know who maintains the wiki.kubuntu.org server?
[17:09] <yofel> canonical
[17:09] <clivejo> oh
[17:09] <yofel> wiki.kubuntu.org is an alias for wiki.ubuntu.com
[17:09] <yofel> with a different default theme
[17:09] <clivejo> is the theme on git or somewhere?
[17:10] <yofel> in bzr somewhere I believe, but I don't remember where
[17:10] <yofel> Riddell: do you remember? ^
[17:12] <clivejo> yofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-wikitheme
[17:12] <clivejo> ?
[17:12] <yofel> that looks right actually
[17:12] <clivejo> no updates in a while
[17:13] <yofel> we once tried to update the theme a bit, but nobody ever actually implemented the design that sheytan came up with
[17:14] <clivejo> its moinmoin?
[17:14] <yofel> yep
[17:15]  * clivejo cowers
[17:16] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment?action=recall&rev=14 guide gives a .pbuilderrc that only covers up to trusty
[17:17] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: well, it was never updated since the page ended up in the trash bin
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> the debian suites are also old
[17:18] <yofel> although we could just remove the safety check for the suites
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> so....
[17:18] <yofel> less maintenance
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> I shouldn't add that rc anywhay?
[17:19] <clivejo> just use the default one?
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> what default one?
[17:19] <yofel> aaah, the suites are used for the mirror detection to keep ubuntu and debian apart
[17:19] <yofel> default == empty
[17:20] <clivejo> one in /usr/share/pbuilder/pbuilderrc
[17:21] <yofel> I believed that's always used
[17:21] <yofel> your own one just overrides the default values
[17:21] <yofel> in the end, those rc files are just shell scripts
[17:22] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: add it anyway, I'll send you a patch which removes the suite handling later
[17:22] <ovidiu-florin> I'll add it when I'll get the patch, till then I'll use the default
[17:23] <yofel> ack, that's enough to build plain xenial chroots anyway
[17:23] <clivejo> I think Jon or yofel pastebin mine
[17:23] <yofel> ?
[17:23] <clivejo> Im trying to remember when I setup mine
[17:23] <yofel> That rc file in the wiki is derived from mine, yes. And mine is derived from the one harald wrote years ago
[17:25] <clivejo> mind sharing it yofel?
[17:26] <yofel> it's on the wiki page? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ninjas-pbuilderrc.txt
[17:26] <yofel> that's the "clean" version of mine
[17:26] <clivejo> I mean your current one
[17:26] <yofel> that's a mess :P
[17:26] <clivejo> LOL
[17:26] <clivejo> it must work though!
[17:26] <yofel> lots of commented stuff, to make that useful for other people I would need to clean things up and document it
[17:27] <yofel> well, it does, but it supports chroots for ubuntu, debian and tanglu at the same time and stuff
[17:28] <yofel> there are useful things in there like eatmydata, pigz and parallel support
[17:28] <yofel> but lots of stuff newcomers will definitely not need
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> is there any problem if I run pbuilder as root?
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> on a VM?
[17:29] <yofel> in a VM not, in docker, no idea
[17:29] <clivejo> yofel: is it possible to make a rc file to create pbuilder environments with PPAs auto enabled?
[17:29] <yofel> yes, by listing them in OTHERMIRROR
[17:30] <clivejo> do you have to edit that for each session?
[17:30] <yofel> you need to be careful though as LP doesn't initialize the package lists for a release until you upload something
[17:30] <clivejo> I made one wily-kci and wily-staging
[17:30] <yofel> so until that happens, apt will fail on that PPA
[17:30] <clivejo> but I forget how I did it
[17:32] <yofel> the -suffix is added with pro=kci with my rc
[17:32] <soee_> can we have 5.5.2 finished today ?
[17:32] <yofel> no
[17:32] <clivejo> LOL
[17:32] <yofel> meh, now that I'm talking about it, let me write a clean rc
[17:33] <yofel> well, no == very very unlikely, until someone does a fixing marathon starting now
[17:33] <clivejo> soee_: forward your patches to me and Ill push them and upload to LP
[17:34] <soee_> clivejo: i'm waiting for docs to get started with packaging :)
[17:34] <clivejo> LOL
[17:34] <clivejo> well ovidiu-florin has started those
[17:35] <clivejo> follow along now if you are interested
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> I: Extracting zlib1g...
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/21/. mount -t proc proc /proc
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> W: See /var/cache/pbuilder/build/21/./debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> E: debootstrap failed
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> W: Aborting with an error
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> I: cleaning the build env 
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> I: removing directory /var/cache/pbuilder/build//21 and its subdirectories
[17:35] <clivejo> setup a pbuilder environment is first step in building and testing packages yourself
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> I ran this: dist=trusty ARCH=i386 pbuilder create
[17:36] <clivejo> why trusty?
[17:36] <yofel> sounds like sudo is missing?
[17:36] <ovidiu-florin> how am I supposed to check those logs?
[17:36] <clivejo> and why i386
[17:36] <ovidiu-florin> because https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment?action=recall&rev=14 says so
[17:36] <clivejo> LOL
[17:36] <clivejo> dont take it so literally!
[17:36] <yofel> well, that's supposed to work
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> I executed that as root
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> in docker (same as a VM, stop being scared of docker)
[17:37] <clivejo> try sudo dist=xenial pbuilder create
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> I am ROOT! I don't neet sudo
[17:38] <clivejo> just do it in a regular konsole?
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> I'm doing it in Konsole
[17:38] <clivejo> I dont undertstand why you want a container inside a container, inside a container
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> but I don't think the TERM wrapper has anything to do woth this
[17:38] <yofel> hm, then the mount might be failing
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> hmmm....
[17:39] <clivejo> anyways, diner time and I could eat a horse!
[17:39] <clivejo> chat later
[17:40]  * tsimonq2 hands clivejo a horse
[17:40] <tsimonq2> :D
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> :))
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> LOL
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: it seems the chroot fails again
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> or mount
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> dang
[17:42] <yofel> try a plain debootstrap run, that should leave the log
[17:42] <yofel> pbuilder deletes the tmpdir on failure
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: can you give me a command please?
[17:44] <yofel> debootstrap xenial /tmp/chroot
[17:46] <soee_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9m8O-7J5NM
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: mount: proc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> mount: cannot mount proc read-only
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> this is what I get in Docker
[18:07] <ovidiu-florin> anyhow
[18:08] <yofel> yeah, well, that won't work
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> in the host, directly on my system it finished ok
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> what now
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[18:08] <ovidiu-florin> pbuilder hooks
[18:09] <yofel> no idea, I'm not familiar with docker, in LXC I know that I have to run unconfined containers. Maybe I can look into that later
[18:09] <yofel> here's the pbuilderrc btw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14286057/
[18:09] <ovidiu-florin> forget docker
[18:10] <ovidiu-florin> tell me what needs to be done regularly
[18:10] <ovidiu-florin> and I'll figure out the docker part
[18:11] <yofel> for the hooks see the rc I pasted. You need to check out the hooks, then point HOOKDIR to the location
[18:11] <yofel> pbuilder will execute any hooks that are +x
[18:14] <ovidiu-florin> now run pbuilder create again?
[18:16] <yofel> yes
[18:16] <ovidiu-florin> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libeatmydata.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (cannot open shared object file): ignored.
[18:16] <yofel> add eatmydata and pigz to the deps though
[18:16] <yofel> as the rc says in line 1
[18:17] <ovidiu-florin> are those packages that need installing?
[18:18] <yofel> yes
[18:22] <ovidiu-florin> interesting names
[18:23] <yofel> well, eatmydata makes sync() and fsync() noops, hence eatmydata if your system crashes. pigz is a parallel version of gzip
[18:36] <ovidiu-florin> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libeatmydata.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (cannot open shared object file): ignored.
[18:36] <ovidiu-florin> I still get this
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin> but only when "I: Obtaining the cached apt archive contents"
[18:37] <yofel> it will stop once eatmydata gets installed in the chroot, which happens close to the end
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin> ...
[18:37] <yofel> I'm open for suggestions how to improve that
[18:38] <yofel> we can ofc. disable eatmydata
[18:38] <yofel> hm... maybe one could create symlinks for the relevant commands instead of using LD_PRELOAD
[18:39] <yofel> no, that'll fail completely until eatmydata is installed :/
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know what pbuilder does exactly yet
[18:42] <yofel> it's a script set that creates temporary chroots, installs the build-deps of a package, then builds it
[18:42] <yofel> it's for  building packages in clean environments
[18:43] <yofel> similiar how the buildds on Launchpad do the package builds
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[18:43] <yofel> that way you can test whether your package will build on LP, or not
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> it's finished
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> what now?
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: ?
[18:55] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ?
[19:33] <clivejo> where have you got to?
[19:42] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: $ sudo -E dist=xenial pbuilder create finished
[19:43] <clivejo> ok
[19:43] <clivejo> use "pbuilder-dist xenial login --save-after-login" to test it
[19:44] <clivejo> it will extract the file and setup a nice clean xenial environment
[19:45] <clivejo> do an apt-get update while you are in there
[19:45] <clivejo> control and D exits it and saves the changes back to the tarball
[19:46] <yofel> you don't usually want to pass --save-after-login unless you intentionally want to edit something in the chroot
[19:46] <yofel> and s/pbuilder-dist/pbuilder/
[19:47] <clivejo> yeah, this is just a one off to test it and check its package list is updated
[19:47] <clivejo> oups
[19:48] <clivejo> yofel would you do a apt-get upgrade too?
[19:49] <yofel> no, pbuilder update does that
[19:49] <clivejo> would it speed it up a bit?
[19:49] <yofel> that does update + dist-upgrade + clean + autoremove I believe
[19:49] <clivejo> from having to update every time?
[19:50] <yofel> well, we have a pbuilder hook for updating every time
[19:50] <yofel> but that doesn't persist the update, so pbuilder update is something you want to run every now and then
[19:51] <clivejo> how does pbuilder update work?
[19:51] <clivejo> can that be done from outside?
[19:51] <yofel> as I just said, I believe it runs apt-get update + dist-upgrade + clean + autoremove. But I didn't actually check that
[19:51] <yofel> that has to be done from the outside
[19:51] <yofel> update is just another command like build or login
[19:52] <clivejo> do you pass the environment name too?
[19:52] <clivejo> pbuilder update xenial-amd64?
[19:53] <clivejo> and it saves it all back to the tarball?
[19:53] <yofel> well, if you're on xenial amd64 then just "pbuilder update" will do the job with my rc file, otherwise it would be "dist=xenial ARCH=i386 pbuilder update"
[19:53] <yofel> and yes, it saves the changes after a successful upgrade
[19:53] <yofel> read the manual ^^
[19:53] <clivejo> I been doing it manually :P
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> the archive is in /var/cache/pbuilder/xenial-amd64.tgz 
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> so pbuilder-dist xenial login --save-after-login failed
[19:54] <yofel> just run: pbuilder login
[19:54] <clivejo> I had a mistake
[19:54] <clivejo> its just pbuilder
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> $ sudo dist=xenial pbuilder login
[19:56] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'm in now
[19:56] <ovidiu-florin> do I exit and do $ sudo dist=xenial pbuilder update ?
[19:57] <yofel> yes
[19:57] <clivejo> well its brand new, it shouldnt need updating
[19:57] <clivejo> but its good info to know
[19:58]  * clivejo is learning new stuff too
[19:58] <yofel> then, if you want to try it out, you can fetch some source package and pass the path to the .dsc file to pbuilder build. Just apt-get source pkg-kde-tools or so, that's small
[19:59] <ovidiu-florin> where does apt-get source download?
[20:00] <clivejo> yofel: I prefer to use nano and installed it manually in the environment, how would you do that?
[20:00] <yofel> current directory
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> tried it and saw
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[20:00] <yofel> clivejo: set EDITOR to nano in the rc and add nano to the EXTRAPACKAGES
[20:01] <yofel> those are the 2 places that the rc has "vim" set
[20:01] <clivejo> it only installs it when a hook is triggered?
[20:01] <yofel> no, by default
[20:01] <yofel> although you can add it to the shell hook instead if you want
[20:02] <yofel> I prefer to have it usable when I login too though
[20:02] <yofel> and depending on the actions different hooks get executed
[20:02] <clivejo> I had it installed into the tarball in wily
[20:02] <yofel> again, see hook section in the manual
[20:02] <clivejo> wasnt sure if that was a good or bad thing
[20:03] <yofel> as long as you're aware of the change, it's ok. Just don't install anything that has heavy deps
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> where does it build it?
[20:03] <yofel> as otherwise that'll defy the point of a "clean" environment
[20:03] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: /var/cache/pbuilder/build/<pbuilder process ID>/
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> /var/cache/pbuilder/build/15184 is the only folder and it's empty
[20:05] <yofel> what did pbuilder do?
[20:05] <clivejo> yofel: also can pbuilder be configured to use local apt cache?
[20:05] <yofel> it will wipe the directory once the build finishes
[20:06] <yofel> the build artifacts should be in /var/cache/pbuilder/xenial-amd64/result/
[20:06] <ovidiu-florin> install dependencies, run lintian and some hooks
[20:06] <yofel> clivejo: that's what my rc does
[20:06] <yofel> there's lots of settings, see pbuilderrc manpage
[20:07] <clivejo> Im running xenial locally, but it always downloads new copies for pbuilder
[20:07] <ovidiu-florin> yup
[20:07] <ovidiu-florin> they are there
[20:07] <yofel> then things worked fine
[20:07] <yofel> there is a hook by default to drop you to a shell inside the chroot on build failure
[20:07] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: now how do I get the sources for kwallet-pam?
[20:07] <clivejo> yippeee
[20:07] <yofel> you can add one to do the same on success if you want
[20:08] <clivejo> you will need to configure pbuilder to use some Launchpad PPA's
[20:08] <clivejo> if its plasma 5.5.2 you want, you would need to add the staging PPA's
[20:10] <yofel> when you add PPA's to the chroot, beware of what you add. If the PPAs you add don't match the dependencies of the PPA on LP, then you will waste your time debugging weird failures
[20:10] <yofel> always make sure you know what environment you're building in
[20:11] <yofel> currently the PPAs don't have any deps, so I would recommend making one chroot per staging ppa
[20:12] <BluesKaj> a sad day for debian http://venturebeat.com/2015/12/30/debian-founder-and-docker-employee-ian-murdock-has-died-at-42/
[20:13] <yofel> a sad day indeed
[20:14] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: a PPA has dependencies?
[20:14] <yofel> you can add other PPAs as dependencies
[20:15] <yofel> if you go to the main overview page of a ppa, there's an "Edit Dependencies" button at the top right
[20:15] <clivejo> how do you make a chroot per staging ppa?
[20:15] <yofel> that'll list what primary archive repositories it uses, as well as all ppa deps
[20:15] <yofel> pro=plasma pbuilder create
[20:15] <yofel> pro=frameworks pbuilder create
[20:15] <yofel> etc.
[20:16] <yofel> with my rc at least
[20:16] <yofel> pro is short for "project" because I'm lazy
[20:16]  * clivejo wishes he could watch yofel in action
[20:16] <clivejo> you have so many time saving hints and tips
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> I have to go
[20:18] <yofel> not that easy to do that. Sure, I could work in a container that you could watch, but I won't be keeping my ssh and gpg keys there, so that's of limited value
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> I think my grandpa just died
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> see you .... sometime....
[20:18] <clivejo> :o
[20:18] <yofel> my.. condolences, see you
[20:19] <clivejo> thats terrible news
[20:19] <yofel> this year is not ending well
[20:29] <clivejo> yofel: is  apt 1.1.10 the new faster one? 
[20:29] <yofel> faster one?
[20:30] <yofel> ah, looks like it
[20:30] <clivejo> read something in the news
[20:30] <clivejo> let me look
[20:31] <clivejo> ah here - https://juliank.wordpress.com/2015/12/30/apt-1-1-8-to-1-1-10-going-faster/
[20:31] <yofel> from the changelog, .6 and .7 sped up rred mangling, and .9 sped up  cache generation
[20:32] <clivejo> I see 1.1.10 in the xenial archive
[20:34] <clivejo> yofel: did _groo... ever get back in touch regarding sddm?
[20:34] <yofel> no, but I never looked at it either
[20:34] <clivejo> seems to work, just wrong version numbers
[20:35]  * clivejo is making a plasma ppa pbuilder using yofel magic script
[20:45] <yofel> clivejo: I'm just making chroots in my container, feel free to use that if you need a server or need a shared shell: ssh -p 2223 ubuntu@176.9.34.198
[20:48] <clivejo> I like to do it locally, but my internet is soooo slow
[20:55] <yofel> yeah, I prefer local as well, just telling you in case you need it
[20:55] <clivejo> do you run xenial locally?
[20:56] <yofel> on my laptop, yes. Haven't updated in a while though
[21:14] <clivejo> yofel: kwallet-pam is saying there is a missing file debian/libpam-kwallet4//lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/libpam_kwallet.so
[21:14] <clivejo> has that package been removed?
[21:18] <clivejo> oh
[21:18] <clivejo> no, the files have been renamed
[21:22] <yofel> wait, wasn't that fixed in the CI branch?
[21:23] <clivejo> one of them is
[21:25] <clivejo> kwallet5 doesnt seems to be
[21:52] <clivejo> yofel: ping#
[22:26] <clivejo> !kde-gtk-config
[22:27] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-gtk-config/4:5.4.3-0ubuntu1
[22:28] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-gtk-config
[22:28] <clivejo> this is giving me a headache!
[22:31] <clivejo> !kde-config-gtk-style
[22:32] <clivejo> %&*$
[22:42] <valorie> clivejo: I think you have to use info
[22:43] <valorie> the !term is for factoids
[22:43] <valorie> !info kde-gtk-config
[22:43] <valorie> pfff, helpful
[22:47] <clivejo> !info kde-config-gtk-style
[22:52] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: so sorry to hear about your grandpa
[23:43] <clivejo> breeze-gtk is really annoying me now!
[23:45] <valorie> gtk annoys me, full-stop
[23:45] <valorie> why is gramps gtk!
[23:45] <valorie> me hates it
[23:48] <valorie> clivejo: finally saw your PM