[00:49] to get back on topic after 2 hours, I recall someone here was telling me to boot up a flash drive in virtualbox with persistence, what exactly was it that I needed to do with that? I can't seem to find it in the logs [00:50] (Kamilion, wxl, phillw) [00:51] i thought you had that convo on ubuntu-google? [00:51] wxl: hmm maybe. I kind of have 10 channels open right now so I'm getting them a bit mixed up [00:52] adueppen: 55 or so here. at least on this network. :) [01:36] wxl: After having dinner here, I did manage to find the relevant information but it was darkxst who told me to do it so I might have to wait until tomorrow [19:25] so if anyone hasn't already seen i sent an email to ubuntu-release basically suggesting that we will likely not participate in alpha 1 and i highlighted the problem bugs http://v.gd/e9i5ts [19:26] wxl: hate to ask if you can follow up and indicate that one of your testers found that third one in the Server ISOs, as well... I mean, I WOULD, but I'm not a release manager :P Anyone reading bugs would notice this though :P [19:27] though I think Adam can figure that one out [19:27] :P [19:27] (just by the information in the comments) [19:27] what, wait, teward? link me maybe? [19:28] wxl: the debian-installer bug [19:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1529297 [19:28] Launchpad bug 1529297 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "[Xenial] 2015-12-25 ISOs (multiple ones) leave 'deb' line for CDROM uncommented after install" [Undecided,Confirmed] [19:28] "During an Installation test case for Ubuntu Server, using the 2015-12-25 ISOs on the test case for an Ubuntu Server ISO, it was discovered that after installation the /etc/apt/sources.list file has two CDROM lines present, which would rely on the installation ISOs. One is commented, but the second is not, and out of the box, apt-get and updating does not work." [19:28] teward: you mean the one i linked? what am i supposed to follow up on? :) [19:28] wxl: i figured after the fact that Adam will figure it out [19:29] wxl: that bug for the alternate tracked back to Ubuntu Server :) [19:29] oh, so you want me to point out the obvious XD [19:29] wxl: or, give me $15 for coffee :) [19:29] coffee would have helped :) [19:29] adam's listened to me whine enough about debian installer that he knows what it affects, i'm sure XD [19:29] :D [19:29] wxl: heh. [19:30] * wxl carefully sips espresso [19:30] wxl: i know they squished a Wily ISO issue when the installer was using eth0, etc. but the kernel after was using predictable net interface naming [19:30] so it broke all installs xD [19:30] or was that Vivid... I forget :) [19:47] wxl: according to "that guy", he ran a server test and was unable to replicate the debian-installer bug i referenced above, has anyone else on the Lubuntu team tested and confirmed the issue remains? [19:47] * teward pokes tsimonq2 and points at his last message [19:47] did as of yesterday [19:47] phillw and/or Kamilion can one of you check and see if the alternate bug still exists? we have reason to believe it may not [19:48] I'm having issues with vmware workstation at the moment; unable to test. [19:48] you and your darn vmware :) [19:49] * Kamilion shrugs [19:49] wxl: i've re-synced my ISO and am going to run the test myself too [19:49] (i grabbed the image from today xD) [19:49] I blame nvidia's anti-virtualization driver patches over the last year. [19:49] thanks guys. keep me updated and of course fix the bug :) [19:49] I might be able to test it today if I'm not too busy with the ubiquity bug [19:49] Kamilion: you know, you COULD use virtualbox. [19:49] well the Server image doesn't show it for me [19:49] and I zsynced the ISOs [19:49] adueppen: i would recommend staying on that one. if you can fix the ubiquity bug or even help it will make a big difference! [19:49] * tsimonq2 double-checks his zsync script [19:49] wxl: you know I avoid touching oracle products as if they carried the plague. [19:50] wxl: well we know it is a permissions problem with ubiquity-dm [19:50] so [19:50] ok thanks wxl [19:50] Kamilion: i know. and i don't blame you. i'd recommend kvm if you didn't use that god forsaken OTHER os ;) [19:50] tsimonq2: AIUI the Lubuntu alternate ISOs are based on the Server image, where I had seen it [19:50] though i'm submitting a test result shortly [19:50] Again, nvidia is to blame for that [19:50] Kamilion: maybe you should adopt a similar stance to nvidia as you do with oracle ;) [19:50] wxl: just zsyncing [19:50] teward: I would be interested to see if it exists in the Lubuntu ISO but not in the Server ISO [19:51] thanks phillw keep me updated! [19:51] tsimonq2: if it does, then the Lubuntu team has a problem :p [19:51] tsimonq2: yeah that would be most interesting and entirely unexpected [19:51] what teward said :/ [19:51] well can someone confirm?? [19:51] because in my testing, that bug did not exist [19:51] I would if nvidia actively attempted to destroy competition, attempted to flaunt money and power, and were run by buttheads like Larry Ellison, but that is not the case. [19:52] so we need an install of Lubuntu and a Server install [19:52] tsimonq2: i'm running the Server test now [19:52] ok :) [19:52] then will pull the Lubuntu alternate test case and test that [19:52] grabbing vbox now to test [19:52] I'm runing alt 64 [19:52] heheheh [19:52] assuming the Server test doesn't have the issue, that is [19:52] wxl: hm :) [19:52] phillw: the 12/30 ISO? [19:52] teward: yes [19:52] ok [19:52] * wxl pets Kamilion in a soothing way to calm him from the terror of using an Oracle product [19:53] phillw: please let me know if the issue is gone, if it is, then I'll close the bug with a comment, if not, and I can't replicate on the Server ISO, then that's a weird one [19:53] maybe we should wait until the 12/30 iso is done [19:53] wxl: look at this, I'm doing Lubuntu ISO testing by doing Ubuntu Server ISO testing xD [19:53] it should be ready soon [19:53] teward: i knew we could figure out some way for you to do QA for us XD [19:53] wxl: indeed, though i wouldn't mind testing the current build to confirm/refute tsimonq2 in this case xD [19:53] uhhhhh teward... [19:53] gosh darnit! [19:54] tsimonq2: ? [19:54] xenial-server-amd64.iso.zsync 15-Nov-2015 06:46 1.4M Server install image for 64-bit PC (AMD64) computers (zsync metafile) [19:54] * tsimonq2 has to redo all of his test cases [19:54] * tsimonq2 tweaks his script to zsync from pending [19:54] oh jeez tsimonq2 [19:54] tsimonq2: congratulations, burn your testcases [19:54] all of them [19:54] [ ] xenial-server-amd64.iso 30-Dec-2015 06:52 724M Server install image for 64-bit PC (AMD64) computers (standard download) [19:54] [ ] xenial-server-amd64.iso.zsync 30-Dec-2015 06:59 1.4M Server install image for 64-bit PC (AMD64) computers (zsync metafile) [19:54] ^ from the server's dailyiso page [19:54] so yes, it very well could still exist... [19:54] * tsimonq2 is sad [19:55] sorry everyone [19:55] 29 16 * * *for-project lubuntu cron.daily; for-project lubuntu cron.daily-live --live [19:55] so we SHOULD have the image for the 30th [19:55] * tsimonq2 kicks his script in the nards [19:55] argh [19:56] since it's Wed Dec 30 19:56:03 UTC 2015 [19:56] build failures oh no http://v.gd/SHXYYN [19:56] * tsimonq2 resyncs his ISOs, adjusting current to pending [19:59] wxl: which is why it didn't get to current... [20:00] * tsimonq2 learned his lesson, always sync rom pending if it's automated :) [20:00] *from [20:05] tsimonq2: wxl: phillw: confirmed the issue still remains [20:05] at least in SErver [20:06] ok so we DO have alternate images for today [20:06] the desktop is rebuilding [20:31] tsimonq2: wxl: phillw: issue that we saw with the uncommented deb line traced to apt-setup; bug traced, and cjwatson uploaded an (untested) fix, so hopefully that resolves some issues [20:31] (at least, for Server and Lubuntu Alt) [20:32] Kamilion: ^ [20:32] it does not work for me, but my link dropped out. [20:32] yay :) [20:32] phillw: i don't think it'll make it in until next build? [20:32] [2015-12-30 15:19:46] cjwatson: so then when the next build runs with the updated apt-setup in it, we shouldn't see this issue? [20:32] [2015-12-30 15:21:00] indeed [20:32] [2015-12-30 15:21:03] hopefully [20:32] [2015-12-30 15:21:34] if it doesn't there'll be more Critical failures on the Server ISO test :p [20:32] acknowledged [20:32] [2015-12-30 15:21:45] then I get to report it in the server team meeting that it was an issue xD [20:32] teward: maybe wxl can do another build? [20:33] tsimonq2: not until it's built and available in Xenial [20:33] teward: ohhh that *package* [20:33] tsimonq2: yes [20:33] tsimonq2: two builds: [20:33] I'm on 3g device, I cannot afford another full iso download! [20:33] (1) the new apt-setup upload [20:33] (2) the next ISO built with it [20:34] #1 will likely complete before #2 [20:34] teward: #1 has to complete before #2, else #2 is of no use :P [20:34] right [20:34] phillw: prereq of #2 is #1 [20:34] teward: and wxl can do #2 for us [20:35] tsimonq2: won't help the other releases or builds :P [20:35] but meh [20:35] but yeah wxl could respin alts [20:35] though... [20:35] well just to test that the fix is valis [20:35] *valid [20:35] wxl: did cjwatson say there's still issues? [20:35] (with the caching and Librarian adn such including ISO builders) [20:35] * teward didn't pay 100% attention in -release [20:35] bug still says fix committed. [20:36] phillw: hasn't left proposed [20:36] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-setup/1:0.104ubuntu2 [20:36] should migrate soon (?) [20:49] uhh [20:49] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/ <--- something is very strange here [20:49] I've never seen a .1 before [20:49] Kamilion: means a rebuild [20:50] i've seen it before in cases where a rebuild was pushed [20:50] and a .2 for a second rebuild [20:50] rare, yes, but i've seen it [20:51] ^\ [20:51] [2015-12-30 15:02:17] wxl: kicked a fresh build [20:51] * Kamilion shrugs, ignores it, and downloads current [20:51] [2015-12-30 15:02:22] wxl: assuming you mean desktop [20:51] hence the .1 [20:51] where was that? [20:52] OFTC? [20:52] Kamilion: #ubuntu-release [20:52] this network [20:52] wait, you guys need a rebuild? [20:52] * Kamilion joins and detaches [20:52] wxl: no we don't [20:52] wxl: I have no idea what the heck I'm doing at this point. [20:52] wxl: phillw and tsimonq2 were saying "but we can have wxl run a build again of alternate once apt-setup is updated and migrated" [20:52] ok just reading backlog [20:52] OH ok [20:53] so I just skipped it and downloaded the server daily instead [20:53] wxl: the updated apt-setup from cjwatson is in Proposed [20:53] ping me to rebuild when it's ready teward [20:53] wxl: can i just wait for it to autorebuild overnight : [20:53] :P [20:53] forget that noise, teward. i want to get some testing done! :) [20:53] :) [20:54] ok headed to lunch [20:54] wxl: here, plug this in and see if it blows up your computer *hands a disk labeled "Lubuntu ancient" [20:54] loljk [20:59] okay, so I've got 30.1's iso and the server daily coming down right now, will test in vbox shortly [20:59] Kamilion: should still be an issue, since none of those were respinned with the updated apt-setup [20:59] since it's not in the Xenial repo yet (pending migrate from proposed -> main) [20:59] ohhhh, okay. [21:01] yeah migration isn't instant [21:04] NOW it's in main. [21:05] wxl: I STAB THEEE >:D [21:05] LOL [21:05] but the Server ISOs aren't gonna be respun i don't think [21:09] well who manages that> [21:09] no idea, but i can wait a day to test :) [21:10] yeah good point :) [21:10] i know the Desktop ISOs here were rebuilt but they didn't get done in the first place [21:10] no need for a rebuild [21:10] i'mma just wait for the next autobuild and test that :) [22:00] teward et al.: alternates rebuilding as we speak. [22:09] wxl: has the package apt-setup - 1:0.104ubuntu2 arrived? [22:09] phillw: unless teward lied to me, it has :) [22:09] !info apt-setup xenial [22:10] Package apt-setup does not exist in xenial [22:10] wxl: hmm, that does not bode well :P [22:11] lag here sucks [22:11] !info apt-setup-udeb xenial [22:11] Package apt-setup-udeb does not exist in xenial [22:12] argh [22:12] 1304 < teward:#lubuntu-devel> NOW it's in main. [22:13] not sure exactly where he's getting his information from [22:14] ah ha right there http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt-setup/apt-setup_0.104ubuntu2.dsc[1~/shay [22:14] argh [22:14] ah ha right there http://v.gd/ZpJRN8 [22:14] LAG I HATE YOU [22:14] wxl: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-setup [22:15] yep phillw [22:16] okies, I'll ask phillw.net to build an install for me once the ISO is ready [22:16] phillw: you use i386 or amd64 typically? [22:16] normally 64 bit [22:16] k when it's ready i'll check the list first [22:21] phillw: it's ready and it does containt 0.104ubuntu2 [22:24] teward: tsimonq2: Kamilion: alternate ready to test with the new apt-setup if you like [22:25] wxl: where do I find the old and new copies? [22:25] is that under daily-preinstalled or daily? [22:25] iso is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/20151230.1 [22:26] old one was s|\.1|| [22:26] pulling both down now [22:27] and the server iso will be respun tomorrow? [22:28] I'll check it's been fixed then. [22:28] i grabbed today's server [22:28] Kamilion: i can request a rebuild there (i think) [22:28] let me ask at release if anyone objects [22:28] So, things to test: apt-setup's CDROM line being commented out [22:28] wxl: no need just yet [22:29] Kamilion: maybe make sure alternate is good and then we'll go from there. [22:29] it'll pick the fix up on it's own for tomorrow's build unless there's a need to GOTTAGOFAST for a1 or something [22:29] * Kamilion monitors https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/Alpha1 for changes [22:30] well i'm not sure what the plan is on that one [22:30] "yes" is the plan. [22:30] I can see it quite clearly right in front of me. :3 [22:30] wxl: the question remains, as one of the major bugs is fixed, although the answer was no before, are you shipping A1? [22:30] 29 6 * * *for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily --live [22:31] tsimonq2: well i don't know, as we'd have to extend the time a bit (at least a day) for testing [22:31] when's A2 scheduled for? [22:31] so tonight at 11:30 our time server builds Kamilion [22:31] won't hurt to kickstart it [22:31] but i'd confirm the fix in lubuntu first [22:31] that's what I'm doin'. [22:32] just talking out loud [22:32] 7 minutes left on the ISO downloads [22:32] hey flexiondotorg you around? [22:32] which is rather annoying; that should have been less than 60 seconds [22:32] ah, no wonder, I'm only getting 1.5MB/sec [22:32] how far are we on the ubiquity bug? adueppen ? [22:32] instead of my normal 13.5MB/sec [22:33] Kamilion: comcast? [22:33] wxl: I havn't had a chance to test on ubuiquity yet [22:33] yeah, 125/20. [22:33] wxl: I just got back from some grocery shopping, so I haven't been able to make much progress [22:33] Kamilion: nuff sed. no matter what you pay for, you still get throttled. [22:33] fscking QoS [22:33] WTF, it just dropped to 90KB/sec [22:33] ouuuuch [22:34] wxl: I get throttled? Since when? What the hell? [22:34] adueppen: okie dokie. well keep me up to date. [22:34] * Kamilion calls up comcast buisness [22:34] hahahahah [22:34] I really hope that charter and TWC don't merge since Wisconsin already has enough ISP monopolies [22:34] if they're throttling me, I'm going to have WORDS with them. Some very bad ones. [22:34] i thought that was already not going to happen, adueppen ? [22:34] wxl: I haven't really been checking [22:34] Kamilion: it's irregular, but they do it to freaking everyone. [22:35] Kamilion: Have fun getting told you need to get a more expensive plan [22:35] I don't think they HAVE one, adueppen [22:35] nevermind. done deal. http://www.engadget.com/2015/05/26/charter-time-warner-cable-merger/ [22:35] we're already paying something like $560 a month [22:36] http://beta.speedtest.net/result/4957144578 [22:36] it was the merger with comcast that didn't happen [22:36] yeah, definitely ain't my side :/ [22:36] wxl: I don't recall hearing if it was approved by the FCC or not though [22:36] * tsimonq2 gets 2 MB/s down :P [22:36] 3 on a good day [22:37] phillw's always using a 3G dongle. i don't know how he manages to survive. [22:37] what's funny is i remember my first 2400 baud modem and thinking that it was just lightning fast. [22:37] +1 [22:37] tsimonq2: http://puu.sh/maf3E/2eda125073.png [22:38] holy crap! you have an awesome connection! [22:38] wxl: I do -- I was stuck on Clearwire 4G out in los banos for almost a year. [22:38] wxl: I don't know how one of my friends in Canada survives. He gets 25KB/s down on a good day [22:38] 128kbit [22:38] wxl: Ì cannot get a decent connection to my server. Unless Kamilion has virt-manager or Unit193 installed on their machines? [22:38] thankfully it was unlimited. [22:38] Kamilion: you were in the baño? [22:38] for a while, yeah. Rented a mansion there for a few months. [22:39] * wxl did NOT say bano. [22:39] wxl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXEf5JfDth0 [22:40] holy [22:40] Can see my shitty little silver honda civic in quite a few shots, parked next to the jaguar. [22:40] can i have some of your extra money Kamilion ? :) [22:40] wxl: I have no money right now [22:40] * tsimonq2 wants money too! [22:40] aww :( :D :P [22:40] yeah prolly spent it on the freaking mansion XD [22:41] XD [22:41] kinda wish I had some more money so I could build a better PC [22:41] wxl: that place was $3800/mo [22:41] I didn't pay a dime [22:41] * tsimonq2 wants Skylake!! [22:41] either that or buy the gigabit internet that's available in my neighborhood [22:41] i want google fiber to run their crap out here [22:42] There's an out-building next to the pool [22:42] amen wxl [22:42] I want fiber! [22:42] with a pair of shitty bedrooms in it [22:42] for some odd reason even though they have a server farm just east of portland, even portland doesn't get it [22:42] FFIIBBEERR! [22:42] Madison seems almost like a prime place for google fiber [22:42] +1 [22:42] EVERYWHERE does [22:42] then you can run a cable up here XD [22:42] long story short: I got the worst room in the place, but paid nothing. I did 90% of the audio work on all of the filmmaking we did. [22:43] wxl: Yeah but Madison is one of those places that seems a bit more likely [22:43] good job Kamilion [22:43] *shrugs* It kept me fed for a few months. [22:43] adueppen: well, i'd sooner see it in portland, personally. it's like little silicon valley at this point [22:43] Absolutely terrible place to live though. Friend of mine got his nose broken, no high speed internet access, no social establishments [22:43] hopefully that gigabit internet in my neighborhood thing isn't like this: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds-out-cable-internet-will-cost-117000/ [22:43] yiiikes [22:44] but there is one of the utility boxes for it next door so I don't think it would be like that [22:44] adueppen: indeed. [22:44] 0.0 [22:45] and also the person who was in that article had Charter, which is also my ISP [22:45] My father also has Charter in nevada [22:46] ha ha ha, Charter people [22:46] you have it bad [22:46] paying like $55 a month for 60mbit [22:46] I was floored that he was getting such a better deal than my local comcast's $79/mo 15mbit "With powerbooster!" plan [22:47] I actually thought he was lying when he told me the speeds he was getting. ;_; [22:47] * Kamilion goes back to trying to work [22:47] wxl: cannot get the ISO to even start to install. Sorry. [22:47] Kamilion: I think my plan is about the same but I haven't bothered to ask how much it costs [22:48] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4957166348 kinda crappy ping time is only because I'm on wifi [22:48] launching lubuntu desktop 12/30.1 with "Install Ubuntu" [22:49] Confirm X closes and TTY displays, followed by desktop restarting to live session. [22:50] oh wait there was an update? [22:50] phillw: because of your connect or what? [22:50] Kamilion: you do know i was talking about the *alternate*, right? [22:50] because of my connect. [22:51] phillw: as i thought. no problem. thanks! [22:51] http://puu.sh/me9MI/420ace46fc.png [22:52] adueppen: behavior confirmed. [22:52] ew nano gross [22:53] Kamilion: I do recall darkxst saying that was some kind of other issue or something like that [22:53] lemme check the logs [22:53] ubiquity launches from the 'lubuntu' user without any errors on the terminal. [22:54] Bingo [22:54] http://puu.sh/me9Yz/4f37e07097.png [22:54] adueppen: there's your failure. [22:55] wxl: what do you think of Atom? [22:55] tsimonq2: good for people that like GUIs :) [22:55] heh [22:55] Atom? [22:56] Kamilion: the editor [22:56] Kamilion: (08:45:42 PM) darkxst: pretty sure you can ignore this also (08:45:42 PM) darkxst: Fatal server error: (08:45:43 PM) darkxst: (EE) xf86OpenConsole: Switching VT failed [22:56] the web editor? [22:56] Kamilion: what's that org.gtk.vfs.Daemon crash? [22:56] that's 3s before the ubiquity crash [22:56] my personal text editor is brackets since when I write code it's usually for the web [22:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/14296680/ [22:57] wxl: hence "bingo" [22:57] line 753-765 is "Install Ubuntu" crashing out. [22:58] line 800 is being run as the "lubuntu" user from lxterminal. [22:58] after the live desktop starts. [22:58] * Kamilion confirms the behavior adueppen has seen. [22:58] i wonder if that bus it refers to is dbus [22:59] Kamilion: that makes sense since darkxst mentioned something about a leaked cursor [22:59] something also seems to be messed up in the code where ubiquity gets a "busy cursor" [22:59] yes it is [22:59] that's a gvfs dbus interface [22:59] urrgh, stupid mir. [23:00] note that the dbus stuff loads later [23:00] why does it even TRY mir >.< [23:00] Kamilion: yeah I know [23:00] although dbus stuff is loading before that [23:06] wxl: Master bodhi_zazen is doing the alt 64 bit install via KVM as soon as he has grabbed the ISO..... For a Fedora guy, he's still a nice man and doesn't forget us :) [23:07] phillw: wonderful! thanks! [23:07] wxl: I'll let you thank him on #phillw :) [23:14] wxl: I cannot ascertain any issue with my 3g device, their site is 'down' :/ [23:14] :/ [23:16] I can log onto virt10, but not the new VM. [23:20] it is installing now. did not test encryption of any sort, or LVM, nothing fancy [23:21] eh? [23:21] oh, then I can abort, someone with more sense than I do is testing. [23:21] lol [23:21] it is a 47 % [23:22] more testers the better Kamilion [23:23] since i see no tests in progress, my guess is that bodhi_zazen is just doing a spot check anyways :) [23:23] do you not have a live .iso ? [23:23] http://puu.sh/mebTC/4de12de050.png [23:23] bug confirmed, trying again with the corrected ISO [23:23] yep there's a live iso (the desktop one) but the alternate one is the one we need to confirm works [23:23] should I get the new .1 ISO if I'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1527353? [23:23] the disc IS in the drive still [23:24] Launchpad bug 1527353 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity shows for a second goes to tty then starts live session. " [Medium,Confirmed] [23:24] however if you want to do the live one and try to help us figure out this mess with ubiquity that would be nice [23:24] ^ [23:24] adueppen: sure but i doubt it's going to make any difference. the .1 is to fix an issue with the launchpad librarian caching that was causing a build failure [23:24] http://puu.sh/mebYS/5ed2ed1e42.png [23:24] wxl: OK just checking [23:25] Kamilion: pastebin the sources.list and gimme a version on apt-setup please [23:25] ... [23:26] wxl, I can look at the live iso [23:27] bodhi_zazen: all we know is that if you try to go straight to install (ubiquity), then ubiquity crashes and it starts the live session. from there, you can start ubiquity with no problem. may be a boot sequence issue. [23:27] bodhi_zazen: the above bug that adueppen mentioned provides more information. [23:28] wxl: that's why I'm trying to figure out how to start ubiquity later but have no idea how to do that [23:28]