| SebastianTCL | ever since i moved to lubuntu 15.10 my mic capture is very shitty | 00:56 |
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| SebastianTCL | and i need to go into terminal and alsamixer to unmute it after every reboot | 00:57 |
| wxl | !language | SebastianTCL | 00:57 |
| ubottu | SebastianTCL: The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList | 00:57 |
| SebastianTCL | ok let´s use an euphemism lest I get misconstrued as hostile: ¨crappy¨* | 00:58 |
| SebastianTCL | I am on an hp envy dv6 laptop, sound was good with lubuntu lts but i got tired of the constant bloat and heat so i got lubuntu and started using calm window manager | 00:59 |
| wxl | might try for something that carries a little less emotional weight. "not working well" would communicate the message without the potential to offend anyone | 00:59 |
| wxl | so lubuntu was good but then you decided to change and got lubuntu? | 01:00 |
| SebastianTCL | lts was good | 01:07 |
| SebastianTCL | then i decided to get 15.10 | 01:07 |
| wxl | if you were good, why did you change it? | 01:08 |
| SebastianTCL | i basically want to have access to the *buntu base and community and run the least resource expensive version i can with cwm as window manager | 01:08 |
| SebastianTCL | wxl, what are you suggesting i go back to lts? ok but one question, will that use less resources generally speaking? | 01:09 |
| wxl | you easily could have done that from within the lts? | 01:09 |
| SebastianTCL | is there a benchmark for this? showing lts lubuntu indeed uses less resources than 15.10 | 01:09 |
| wxl | there's little reason to believe either is much different in terms of resources | 01:10 |
| SebastianTCL | like less battery power consumed,less ram per application, etc | 01:10 |
| SebastianTCL | is there a measurement for this | 01:11 |
| wxl | not that i know of | 01:11 |
| wxl | but lts worked for you and the other didn't, correct? | 01:11 |
| SebastianTCL | well there must be a fix for this from 15.10 it is the same machine | 01:12 |
| wxl | i haven't heard of a similar bug from anyone | 01:13 |
| wxl | my guess is that it would be hardware related, but it's hard to say | 01:13 |
| SebastianTCL | wxl, also, in recent times it was requiring 150mb+ upgrades daily in patches | 01:13 |
| wxl | upgrades tend to vary. i wouldn't be totally surprised by that. | 01:13 |
| SebastianTCL | the regularity of the big patches of upgrades made me think maybe there´s a new kernel or somethng that for security´s sake i should upgrade | 01:16 |
| wxl | there often are security upgrades to the kernel | 01:16 |
| wxl | this is not uncommon | 01:16 |
| wxl | also i should add that the upgrades you see in the ubuntu repos are generally synced to updates in the debian repos, so even upstream suffers a similar fate | 01:18 |
| wxl | this is just business as usual | 01:18 |
| wxl | in your case, i would immediately suspect your hardware. look up the audio card information with lspci and start googling. check dmesg and /var/log/syslog for any hints | 01:19 |
| wxl | if you come up with no luck, i'd file a bug | 01:20 |
| wxl | be as detailed as humanly possible | 01:20 |
| wxl | then post it ot the mailing list to encourage others to confirm or refute | 01:20 |
| SebastianTCL | http://paste.ubuntu.com/14273222/ | 01:21 |
| wxl | try the -nn switch to get the device ids | 01:22 |
| wxl | they're 2 sets of 4 digit numbers separated by a colon | 01:23 |
| wxl | they are the most accurate way to refer to the particular hardware | 01:23 |
| wxl | then go google it! | 01:23 |
| SebastianTCL | how do i do that? | 01:23 |
| SebastianTCL | ¨-nn switch¨ | 01:24 |
| wxl | lspci -nn | grep -i audio | 01:24 |
| SebastianTCL | http://paste.ubuntu.com/14273293/ | 01:25 |
| SebastianTCL | ok what am I supposed to google | 01:25 |
| wxl | something like: | 01:25 |
| wxl | "8086:1e20" mic muted | 01:25 |
| wxl | if others have had a similar experience then you'll find reference | 01:25 |
| wxl | good luck. it's time for me to head home | 01:27 |
| SebastianTCL | wxl, would you recommend just backing up and going back to lts? | 01:27 |
| ianorlin | yeah pretty much | 01:28 |
| SebastianTCL | ianorlin, will it be as safe? can i tweak it to consume less resources? will the most recent versions of skype and chrome work as fast? | 01:30 |
| ianorlin | not sure about sykpe and chrome | 01:31 |
| cruncher | hi | 12:03 |
| cruncher | i have a question... i installed lubuntu on a older laptop, and when i start a terminal (nothing else) and enter "free", it shows me ~400mb ram used | 12:04 |
| cruncher | i was wondering, because on another machine with debian+xfce, having started browser, irc chat, vnc prog, chat program, encryption program, and some other minor stuff it shows me ~370mb used | 12:05 |
| cruncher | how is that possible? i thought lubuntu was made for low ram machines? | 12:05 |
| cruncher | (or better said, it works good with older machines) | 12:06 |
| cruncher | correction, with browser started its 470, without 370.. but still less memory with more programs | 12:10 |
| aedigital | i think you needed stop/disable services | 12:12 |
| aedigital | like cups | 12:12 |
| aedigital | samba | 12:12 |
| cruncher | cups is running, yes, samba not | 12:12 |
| cruncher | but on the deb machine, i have the same servives and even more | 12:13 |
| cruncher | thats what i dont really understand | 12:13 |
| cruncher | maybe there is some issue with memory management? | 12:13 |
| cruncher | thee is nothing running that isnt on the other machine | 12:13 |
| aedigital | hummm | 12:14 |
| cruncher | i hope the fact that on lubuntu is a i386 cpu, and on the other machine is a x64, does not make a (big) difference in programs memory usage | 12:14 |
| aedigital | so | 12:14 |
| aedigital | i have just 131 mb used now | 12:15 |
| cruncher | i mean, its not really a big deal, but maybe some developer is interested, then im glad to provide all info he needs | 12:15 |
| aedigital | lubuntu + blackbox | 12:15 |
| cruncher | hmm | 12:15 |
| aedigital | strange | 12:15 |
| cruncher | yeah, 131 is what i was expecting from lubuntu... | 12:15 |
| cruncher | but 400, just freshly started... | 12:15 |
| aedigital | yeah | 12:16 |
| aedigital | you need to see waht programs used | 12:17 |
| aedigital | more memory | 12:17 |
| aedigital | s/waht/what | 12:17 |
| aedigital | i think you have much memory in cache | 12:21 |
| cruncher | yes, i know that the 400 are not "used", as there is the cache, but still its what it shows at start, so i was wondering what makes use of all that memory | 12:21 |
| cruncher | because compared to the other machine, it shows 370 (including cached) | 12:22 |
| cruncher | so i was a little bit alarmed | 12:22 |
| cruncher | :) | 12:22 |
| aedigital | yeah | 12:23 |
| cruncher | where/how did you see the 131 on your machine? | 12:25 |
| aedigital | gkrellm | 12:25 |
| aedigital | nice app | 12:25 |
| aedigital | gkrellm show me 331mb free | 12:26 |
| aedigital | and i have 462 mb memory | 12:26 |
| aedigital | 462 - 331 = 131 | 12:27 |
| aedigital | but i have 234mb in cache | 12:27 |
| aedigital | 121 process for one user | 12:28 |
| cruncher | hmm.. i just saw that on the other machine, htop reported ~800mb used, and free reported only 370 | 12:30 |
| aedigital | but have you slow system with lubuntu? | 12:32 |
| cruncher | somewhat :) | 12:33 |
| cruncher | but that may be to the fact that im not used to work on such slow/old machines :D | 12:33 |
| aedigital | :) | 12:33 |
| cruncher | i was surfing yesterday, and i could see firefox building up the "blocks" | 12:33 |
| cruncher | its a celeron m 1.6ghz | 12:34 |
| cruncher | around 892mb ram | 12:34 |
| cruncher | are you using your machine for daily use? | 12:34 |
| aedigital | i used just for irc and one application with Eterm | 12:36 |
| aedigital | like telnet | 12:36 |
| aedigital | penntium 4 and 512 mb ram | 12:36 |
| aedigital | 2,2 ghz | 12:36 |
| cruncher | well, thanks for your help, i guess the other machine wasnt showing me the correct memory usage, and i compared them... | 12:39 |
| aedigital | k | 12:40 |
| aedigital | good luck | 12:40 |
| cruncher | thanks :) | 12:40 |
| ahi2 | anyone know how to add xbacklight to startup as the default lxsession autostart window doesn't work for me? | 13:31 |
| ahi2 | the OOB install doesn't have brightness persistance on mine | 13:33 |
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