[00:56] <SebastianTCL> ever since i moved to lubuntu 15.10 my mic capture is very shitty
[00:57] <SebastianTCL> and i need to go into terminal and alsamixer to unmute it after every reboot
[00:57] <wxl> !language | SebastianTCL
[00:58] <SebastianTCL> ok let´s use an euphemism lest I get misconstrued as hostile: ¨crappy¨*
[00:59] <SebastianTCL> I am on an hp envy dv6 laptop, sound was good with lubuntu lts but i got tired of the constant bloat and heat so i got lubuntu and started using calm window manager
[00:59] <wxl> might try for something that carries a little less emotional weight. "not working well" would communicate the message without the potential to offend anyone
[01:00] <wxl> so lubuntu was good but then you decided to change and got lubuntu?
[01:07] <SebastianTCL> lts was good
[01:07] <SebastianTCL> then i decided to get 15.10
[01:08] <wxl> if you were good, why did you change it?
[01:08] <SebastianTCL> i basically want to have access to the *buntu base and community and run the least resource expensive version i can with cwm as window manager
[01:09] <SebastianTCL> wxl, what are you suggesting i go back to lts? ok but one question, will that use less resources generally speaking?
[01:09] <wxl> you easily could have done that from within the lts?
[01:09] <SebastianTCL> is there a benchmark for this? showing lts lubuntu indeed uses less resources than 15.10
[01:10] <wxl> there's little reason to believe either is much different in terms of resources
[01:10] <SebastianTCL> like less battery power consumed,less ram per application, etc
[01:11] <SebastianTCL> is there a measurement for this
[01:11] <wxl> not that i know of
[01:11] <wxl> but lts worked for you and the other didn't, correct?
[01:12] <SebastianTCL> well there must be a fix for this from 15.10 it is the same machine
[01:13] <wxl> i haven't heard of a similar bug from anyone
[01:13] <wxl> my guess is that it would be hardware related, but it's hard to say
[01:13] <SebastianTCL> wxl, also, in recent times it was requiring 150mb+ upgrades daily in patches
[01:13] <wxl> upgrades tend to vary. i wouldn't be totally surprised by that.
[01:16] <SebastianTCL> the regularity of the big patches of upgrades made me think maybe there´s a new kernel or somethng that for security´s sake i should upgrade
[01:16] <wxl> there often are security upgrades to the kernel
[01:16] <wxl> this is not uncommon
[01:18] <wxl> also i should add that the upgrades you see in the ubuntu repos are generally synced to updates in the debian repos, so even upstream suffers a similar fate
[01:18] <wxl> this is just business as usual
[01:19] <wxl> in your case, i would immediately suspect your hardware. look up the audio card information with lspci and start googling. check dmesg and /var/log/syslog for any hints
[01:20] <wxl> if you come up with no luck, i'd file a bug
[01:20] <wxl> be as detailed as humanly possible
[01:20] <wxl> then post it ot the mailing list to encourage others to confirm or refute
[01:21] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14273222/
[01:22] <wxl> try the -nn switch to get the device ids
[01:23] <wxl> they're 2 sets of 4 digit numbers separated by a colon
[01:23] <wxl> they are the most accurate way to refer to the particular hardware
[01:23] <wxl> then go google it!
[01:23] <SebastianTCL> how do i do that?
[01:24] <SebastianTCL> ¨-nn switch¨
[01:24] <wxl> lspci -nn | grep -i audio
[01:25] <SebastianTCL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14273293/
[01:25] <SebastianTCL> ok what am I supposed to google
[01:25] <wxl> something like:
[01:25] <wxl> "8086:1e20" mic muted
[01:25] <wxl> if others have had a similar experience then you'll find reference
[01:27] <wxl> good luck. it's time for me to head home
[01:27] <SebastianTCL> wxl, would you recommend just backing up and going back to lts?
[01:28] <ianorlin> yeah pretty much
[01:30] <SebastianTCL> ianorlin, will it be as safe? can i tweak it to consume less resources? will the most recent versions of skype and chrome work as fast?
[01:31] <ianorlin> not sure about sykpe and chrome
[12:03] <cruncher> hi
[12:04] <cruncher> i have a question... i installed lubuntu on a older laptop, and when i start a terminal (nothing else) and enter "free", it shows me ~400mb ram used
[12:05] <cruncher> i was wondering, because on another machine with debian+xfce, having started browser, irc chat, vnc prog, chat program, encryption program, and some other minor stuff it shows me ~370mb used
[12:05] <cruncher> how is that possible? i thought lubuntu was made for low ram machines?
[12:06] <cruncher> (or better said, it works good with older machines)
[12:10] <cruncher> correction, with browser started its 470, without 370.. but still less memory with more programs
[12:12] <aedigital> i think you needed stop/disable  services
[12:12] <aedigital> like cups
[12:12] <aedigital> samba
[12:12] <cruncher> cups is running, yes, samba not
[12:13] <cruncher> but on the deb machine, i have the same servives and even more
[12:13] <cruncher> thats what i dont really understand
[12:13] <cruncher> maybe there is some issue with memory management?
[12:13] <cruncher> thee is nothing running that isnt on the other machine
[12:14] <aedigital> hummm
[12:14] <cruncher> i hope the fact that on lubuntu is a i386 cpu, and on the other machine is a x64, does not make a (big) difference in programs memory usage
[12:14] <aedigital> so
[12:15] <aedigital> i have just 131 mb used now
[12:15] <cruncher> i mean, its not really a big deal, but maybe some developer is interested, then im glad to provide all info he needs
[12:15] <aedigital> lubuntu  + blackbox
[12:15] <cruncher> hmm
[12:15] <aedigital> strange
[12:15] <cruncher> yeah, 131 is what i was expecting from lubuntu...
[12:15] <cruncher> but 400, just freshly started...
[12:16] <aedigital> yeah
[12:17] <aedigital> you need to see waht programs used
[12:17] <aedigital> more memory
[12:17] <aedigital> s/waht/what
[12:21] <aedigital> i think you have much memory in cache
[12:21] <cruncher> yes, i know that the 400 are not "used", as there is the cache, but still its what it shows at start, so i was wondering what makes use of all that memory
[12:22] <cruncher> because compared to the other machine, it shows 370 (including cached)
[12:22] <cruncher> so i was a little bit alarmed
[12:22] <cruncher> :)
[12:23] <aedigital> yeah
[12:25] <cruncher> where/how did you see the 131 on your machine?
[12:25] <aedigital> gkrellm
[12:25] <aedigital> nice app
[12:26] <aedigital> gkrellm show me 331mb free
[12:26] <aedigital> and i have 462 mb memory
[12:27] <aedigital> 462 - 331 = 131
[12:27] <aedigital> but i have 234mb in cache
[12:28] <aedigital> 121 process for one  user
[12:30] <cruncher> hmm.. i just saw that on the other machine, htop reported ~800mb used, and free reported only 370
[12:32] <aedigital> but have you slow system with lubuntu?
[12:33] <cruncher> somewhat :)
[12:33] <cruncher> but that may be to the fact that im not used to work on such slow/old machines :D
[12:33] <aedigital> :)
[12:33] <cruncher> i was surfing yesterday, and i could see firefox building up the "blocks"
[12:34] <cruncher> its a celeron m 1.6ghz
[12:34] <cruncher> around 892mb ram
[12:34] <cruncher> are you using your machine for daily use?
[12:36] <aedigital> i used just for irc and one application with Eterm
[12:36] <aedigital> like telnet
[12:36] <aedigital> penntium 4 and 512 mb ram
[12:36] <aedigital> 2,2 ghz
[12:39] <cruncher> well, thanks for your help, i guess the other machine wasnt showing me the correct memory usage, and i compared them...
[12:40] <aedigital> k
[12:40] <aedigital> good luck
[12:40] <cruncher> thanks :)
[13:31] <ahi2> anyone know how to add xbacklight to startup as the default lxsession autostart window doesn't work for me?
[13:33] <ahi2> the OOB install doesn't have brightness persistance on mine