[05:46] <Kilos> morning nhaines svij and all other peeps
[08:04] <elacheche> Hey! How are you Kilos 
[08:04] <Kilos> good ty elacheche and you?
[08:04] <elacheche> Tired :(
[08:12] <Kilos> not too bad ty
[08:13] <Kilos> sleep would be good though
[08:20] <elacheche> yeah x)
[16:14] <tsimonq2> o/ elacheche and Kilos 
[16:15] <elacheche> Hey tsimonq2 :)
[16:22] <Kilos> hi tsimonq2 
[16:25] <tsimonq2> how are you?
[16:26] <elacheche> Good tsimonq2 :) You?
[16:26] <pbjarting> Hi question. Laptop dual boot win/ubu brand and seller in sveden ?
[16:28] <tsimonq2> good :D
[16:29] <pbjarting> New laptops do not work since Win 8 also Bios problems
[16:31] <Kilos> oh my
[16:33] <Kilos> pbjarting must you have windows as well
[16:33] <Kilos> https://system76.com/
[16:33] <tsimonq2> ^^^
[16:34] <pbjarting> all new laptops are preinstalled with Win. Win is now blocking Bios. Do not want to go for Mac yet.
[16:34] <Kilos> or find a second hand win7 laptop and install ibintu on it
[16:35] <Kilos> if you are clued up there are ways of fixing the bios
[16:35] <pbjarting> I want new stuff. Would like to fuck up Microsoft
[16:35] <Kilos> then go with https://system76.com/
[16:35] <elacheche> pbjarting, http://askubuntu.com/a/236917
[16:36] <elacheche> pbjarting, You can get a Dell.. They preinstall Ubuntu
[16:36] <tsimonq2> +1
[16:36] <Kilos> there is a program called flashrom for linux
[16:36] <pbjarting> Yes, you can fix Bios but you have to clear CMOS, Cannot do on Laptop. Desktop is no problem
[16:36] <Kilos> they even fix bricked motherboards
[16:37] <elacheche> Please STOP :)
[16:37] <elacheche> We can't talk about BIOS! It's UFI not BIOS..
[16:37] <Kilos> haha
[16:37] <Kilos> yes that too
[16:38] <pbjarting> Need Win for certain compat reasons. Otherwise hate it.
[16:38] <elacheche> UFI is not like BIOS.. pbjarting didd you got the new Laptop yet?
[16:39] <elacheche> pbjarting, You need a preinstalled Win? Becasue if you don't, you can install it on a VM :)
[16:39] <pbjarting> yes got a Toshiba and Inet took back. No go. Asked if they could guarantee if any Laptop would work. They could not
[16:39] <elacheche> What is the model of your new laptop?
[16:40] <pbjarting> sent back with full return from company.
[16:41] <elacheche> Now you don't have a new laptop?
[16:43] <pbjarting> using desktop right now and have a working Toshiba with dual boot. Probably will have to got to Mac.
[16:44] <pbjarting> They do not block Bios as far as I Know. 
[16:44] <Kilos> can you dual boot a mac with win?
[16:44] <elacheche> pbjarting, if you can get a mac so you don"t need a win?
[16:44] <elacheche> pbjarting, it can be more praticla if you can explain your case so we can help you find a good solutioon
[16:45] <pbjarting> Don't know i you can have dual boot MacOS/WIN but MacOS/Linux dhould work
[16:46] <Kilos> get the https://system76.com/ pc and run win in vm if you need it
[16:46] <elacheche> pbjarting, why you need win or osx?? Why you need the dualboot?
[16:49] <pbjarting> MacOs/WIn will handle applications for cellulars and navigating systems. Linux will not.
[16:50] <elacheche> Can you be move specific? Can you name the applications?
[16:50] <pbjarting> You cannot emulate the WIn application in Linux. As soon as we are looking at emulated access to periferals. We are talning about problems.
[16:51] <pbjarting> Yes, access to Motorola Defy and TomTOm navigators.
[16:53] <elacheche> I understand now :)
[16:56] <pbjarting> Does anyone got any experience with dual boot Mac/Linux ?
[17:01] <pbjarting> Will go away for a while. pls continue writing if you have got any hints.
[17:03] <elacheche> pbjarting, it's easier to do than some UFI pcs :D You'll have no issues as I know 
[17:07] <pbjarting> Thanks you help. My e-mail is pbjarting@hotmail.com if you would think abt something else
[17:20] <pbjarting> Thanks for info abt UFI. An improvement ? Maybe but I do not like secure boot.
[17:21] <elacheche> pbjarting, it's not that "secure" x)
[20:23]  * pbjarting slaps pbjarting around a bit with a large fishbot
[20:25] <pbjarting> just checking functions
[21:39] <yanis> hello everybody. can you read my msgs?
[21:39] <yanis> if yes answer please. I have question.
[21:48] <elacheche_anis> yanis: Hey!
[21:48] <elacheche_anis> How can I help yanis 
[21:49] <yanis> I want to create a new loco team in my country algeria. can you guide me how to proceed? 
[21:51] <pleia2> yanis: I recommend starting with http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-dz/
[21:51] <pleia2> there are some links to a mailing list, wiki, website
[21:52] <pleia2> may not be active (I haven't checked), but you may find some contacts or other folks interested
[21:52] <pleia2> looks like they also have a channel: #ubuntu-dz
[21:53] <yanis> thanks a lot man :)
[21:56] <mhall119> yanis: if there isn't anyone active in the team anymore, you can be the one to revive it
[21:56] <mhall119> otherwise, get involved with them and help out
[22:06] <elacheche_anis> mhall119: pleia2 if yanis came back here tell him to ping me, I know the dz loco ex-leaders so I can hep him reactivate the loco
[22:07] <elacheche_anis> RIP Ian → https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html
[22:07] <elacheche_anis> :(
[22:08] <elacheche_anis> OK, yanis sent a mail.. I'll contact him to makes him contact the ex leaders..
[22:08]  * elacheche_anis GTG.. Good night :)
[22:17] <mhall119> thanks elacheche 
[22:21] <pleia2> he posted to the loco mailing list too
[22:29] <tsimonq2> RIP Ian Murdock ;(
[22:30]  * pleia2 nods
[22:46]  * tsimonq2 actually found out from pleia2's Twitter RT
[22:46] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:47] <tsimonq2> pleia2: and somebody in debian-devel suggested renaming Debian! https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/12/msg00446.html