 if you see yofel would you ask him to look at kscreen - 4:5.5.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1
[00:47] <valorie> [16:44] <clivejo> I cant figure out what is wrong :(
[00:47] <valorie> when you return, yofel
[00:48] <valorie> I'll be leaving early tomorrow and will be offline until Friday afternoon at the earliest
[00:49] <valorie> now, dinner+dad
[02:09] <soee> hiho
[03:11] <soee> i must say win10 performance, animations and design ar epretty nice
[08:59] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:17] <clivejo> morning lordievader
[12:21] <soee> hiho
[12:28] <clivejo> hi soee
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:31] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo
[12:32] <clivejo> !info libkf5screen-dev
[12:33] <yofel> moin
[12:33] <clivejo> yofel !!!
[12:33] <clivejo> just the man!
[12:34] <clivejo> Im having problems with libkscreen
[12:34] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/232253174/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.libkscreen_4%3A5.5.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:34] <ghostcube> http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/ccc/congress/2015/h264-hd-web/32c3-7146-de-Hardware-Trojaner_in_Security-Chips.mp4   nice one if anyone is interested  btw https://media.ccc.de/c/32c3?sort=date
[12:34] <yofel> yeah, valorie told me that yesterday..
[12:34]  * clivejo notices you didnt answer :P
[12:34]  * clivejo has a bouncer now
[12:35] <yofel> oooh, they have videos from the ccc, sweet
[12:35] <yofel> ghostcube: thanks
[12:35] <ghostcube> np
[12:35] <yofel> clivejo: I just read my backlog :P
[12:35] <yofel> but nvm, the log is useless :(
[12:35] <ghostcube> yofel: the media server has the 5 last congress vids on listing
[12:36] <ghostcube> from 27 to 32
[12:36] <yofel> hm...
[12:36] <clivejo> I mentioned the wrong package
[12:37] <clivejo> its libkscreen Im having issues with
[12:37] <yofel> you know, it would be REALLY handy if the status page would provide a link to the DSC
[12:37] <clivejo> and I _think_ the symbols are the problem
[12:37] <yofel> libkscreen is frameworks, that should be done
[12:37] <yofel> the amd64 kscreen log says "doesn't install"
[12:38] <clivejo> yofel: also breeze-gtk runs some autotests which fail because of no X server
[12:39] <clivejo> I disabled the tests for now as thats what okular seems to do
[12:39] <yofel> you could try to run those tests with xvfb-run inside a framebuffer, but that doesn't work always
[12:40] <clivejo> but Id like to learn about XVFB
[12:40] <yofel> IIRC it's just somthing like:
[12:40] <yofel> override_dh_auto_test:
[12:40] <yofel>     xvfb-run dh_auto_test
[12:40] <clivejo> is that it?!?
[12:41] <yofel> some of the packages should use it, just grep over a couple repositories
[12:41] <clivejo> LOL I asked in #kde-devel and it sounded like it was going to be a huge operation!
[12:42] <clivejo> anyone talked with ovidiu-florin?
[12:42] <yofel> haven't seen him since he left
[12:43] <clivejo> :(
[12:43] <clivejo> I was hoping the news wasnt true
[12:44] <soee> yofel: 5.4.3 wan't released in updates for Wily ?
[12:44] <acher88> sbuild-build-depends-kscreen-dummy : Depends: libkf5screen-dev (>= 4:5.5.1~) but it is not going to be installed
[12:45] <yofel> soee: yes, because I don't like that release at all, and making sure the SRU doesn't cause UI regressions would be a bit of work
[12:45] <acher88> From plasma repo package here? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.name_filter=libkscreen&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[12:45] <yofel> the "fixed" artwork might be acceptable from a KDE side, not from an ubuntu one
[12:46] <soee> yofel: ok, thanks
[12:48] <yofel> acher88: yes, we're looking into it
[12:48]  * yofel hits pinenty
[12:49] <yofel> *pinentry
[12:51] <clivejo> yofel: mind talk,ing me through what is wrong?
[12:52] <acher88> yofel: great. was trying the staging repos earlier and got http://i.imgur.com/yeOKtp8.png
[12:52] <yofel> well, we're not done
[12:55] <acher88> yes, was just seeing how far done they were before it broke
[12:56] <yofel> acher88: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.2_xenial.html
[12:57] <yofel> you probably don't want to try again while there's still red and blue on that page
[12:58] <mparillo> soee: I thought 5.4.3 was released (at least in the backports) for Wily. http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=424 
[13:01] <yofel> 5.4.3 is in the updates ppa, but not in wily-updates
[13:01] <acher88> yofel: yes I saw. will be easier to build 5.5 myself for now I think
[13:05] <yofel> clivejo: I'm just building kscreen on ssh -p 2223 ubuntu@176.9.34.198
[13:05] <yofel> wait what?
[13:05] <yofel>  libkf5screen6 : Depends: libkf5screen7 (>= 4:5.4.2+git20151012.1045) which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package.
[13:06] <yofel> that's complete rubbish
[13:07] <acher88> looked bizarre to me as well
[13:15] <yofel> urgh, scarlett broke the symbols file
[13:18] <BluesKaj> yofel:  so we shouldn't try the staging-plasma ppa yet 
[13:18] <yofel> please stop using staging altogether, we'll move stuff to landing when it's consumable
[13:19] <yofel> clivejo: libkscreen fixed I hope
[13:20] <soee> +1
[13:20] <BluesKaj> got it
[13:20] <yofel> Dependency wait: kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.14.15~)
[13:21] <yofel> great, plasma has deps on applications -.-
[13:21] <acher88> I would not use staging on a real box anyway. Was just seeing how far things got before they broke.
[13:21] <yofel> well, that's fine, as long as you know what you're doing ^^
[13:23] <BluesKaj> actually Xenial with plasma 5.4.3 seems quite stable altho there are some missiing functions
[13:26] <yofel> yeah, same here
[13:40] <yofel> maxyz_: did you have time to look at the kscreenlocker packaging yet? I'm not sure where to put the translations. I'm thinking about making a -data package and also moving the service data files from the kcm package there
[13:42] <yofel> now what to do with kdelibs..
[13:42] <yofel> might as well just update that for now
[13:47] <BluesKaj> my ethernet connection which used to be eth0 in ifconfig is now enp0s7 ... I didn't change it , what gives?
[13:49] <yofel> that's the new systemd network interface naming scheme
[13:50] <yofel> it's supposed to give more predictable names, especially in VM's and stuff
[13:51] <yofel> BluesKaj: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[13:51] <BluesKaj> yofel:  ok thanks 
[14:00] <BluesKaj> suspected it might be a systemd change 
[14:01] <BluesKaj> bbl, got other stuff to check
[14:56] <ahoneybun> and someone just filled a bug against the website
[15:00] <ahoneybun> I replied
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Hey ahoneybun
[15:00] <ahoneybun> hola BluesKaj
[15:02] <BluesKaj> almost upgraded withe staging-plasma ppa , but yofel advised against it and I'm glad he did ...would have ahd anoher broken Xenial OS on my hands ...I get too adventurous sometimes :-)
[15:05] <mamarley> I accidentally did that on one of my PCs.  Most everything worked fine after ppa-purging it, but for some reason the screen lock still doesn't work. :/
[15:07] <BluesKaj> mamarley:  I tried the ppa purge and it kept failing , guess i had the ppa syntax wrong. I researched for the correct command but I couldn't seem to get it right
[15:10] <acher88> I'll try it in vitualbox, but that is as far as it goes
[15:12] <clivejo> it was the broken symbols file?
[15:12] <clivejo> yofel: 
[15:12] <BluesKaj> and examples of the ppa purge command are poor ones
[15:13] <clivejo> ah, that was what I was going to do, but wasnt sure if that would fix it
[15:14] <clivejo> yofel: BTW I tried to build breeze-gtk in one of your pro=plasma chroots, but it wouldnt work
[15:14] <clivejo> any idea why?
[15:16] <clivejo> oh xvfb needs a build dependancy
[15:16]  * clivejo takes note
[15:17] <yofel> clivejo: wrt kscreen, yes
[15:17] <clivejo> yofel: what are you working on?
[15:17] <yofel> nothing right now, I just had lunch
[15:18] <yofel> lets see how kde4libs did
[15:18] <clivejo> can I lookat plasma-workspace?
[15:18] <yofel> ah, stuff built, great
[15:18] <yofel> sure, go ahead, missing files
[15:24] <clivejo> yofel: when I use pro=plasma are the frameworks and apps staging ppa's added too?
[15:28] <yofel> no
[15:29] <clivejo> I keep getting dependency errors
[15:29] <soee> so only 2 package left to have 5.52 ? :)
[15:29] <yofel> the ppa has no deps either
[15:30] <yofel> did you add the ppa to the chroot?
[15:30] <clivejo> nope
[15:30] <yofel> well
[15:31] <clivejo> I thought that it would be automatic
[15:31] <yofel> nope
[15:31] <yofel> well, feel free to implement it if you want
[15:32] <clivejo> I guess if things where working correctly frameworks would be up to date in the archive already
[15:39] <BluesKaj> I have a pet peeve about toolbar etc fonts on kate and other apps when used for eding with root permissions. Systemsettings5 with kdesudo will not change any of said fonts. It appears to accept the changes, but upon relaunch nothing changes. I use a large monitor and these default fonts are too small to read 
[15:41]  * clivejo doesnt keep peeves as pets any more
[15:41] <clivejo> too much stress
[15:44] <clivejo> does the KDE Bouncer not store the time and data stamp?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> for example http://imgur.com/JVxbtQc
[15:48] <BluesKaj> that's why i like plasma4, no problems like this, whereas this thing has been a problen with 5 from the begining, and looks like it's not getting any attention
[15:49] <BluesKaj> I despise the overuse of the word functionality , but the lack of it sure fits this case
[15:52] <clivejo> yofel the file /usr/share/wayland-sessions/plasmawayland.desktop should it go in plasma-workspace-wayland.install?
[15:55] <marco-parillo> clivejo: I asked that question, and the response is that the bouncer should support it, but client support is iffy. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356917
[15:55] <marco-parillo> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=130124
[15:56] <marco-parillo> http://ircv3.net/software/clients.html
[15:56] <clivejo> does quassel?
[15:56] <marco-parillo> On the last link, look for the server-time column 
[15:56] <marco-parillo> No
[15:56] <marco-parillo> At least not in the table.
[15:56] <clivejo> well that sucks!
[15:57] <marco-parillo> So your entire backlog in quassel is timestamped the same, correct?
[15:58] <clivejo> i moved to konversation
[16:00] <clivejo> but yes, all the backlog is timestamped when I reconnected my local client
[16:08] <clivejo> yofel: where do all these locale files for kscreenlocker belong?
[16:08] <clivejo> usr/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/kscreenlocker_greet.mo
[16:08] <yofel> clivejo: wayland, yeah, should be fine
[16:08] <yofel> clivejo: I personally don't agree to the whole kscreenlocker packaging, so not sure right now
[16:09] <yofel> wanted to wait until maxy replies
[16:09] <clivejo> others distros are putting them in weird places
[16:09] <clivejo> kde-l10n-sv and plasma-workspace
[16:10] <yofel> no, we do NOT ship the wayland config by default
[16:10] <yofel> hence the speration
[16:10] <yofel> and we don't patch the l10n files around either
[16:10] <yofel> a common please would be a -data package
[16:10] <clivejo> so might need to make a -data package ?
[16:10] <yofel> but I would like a second opinion on the placement of the service config files, as I don't believe those belong into the kcm package
[16:11] <yofel> once we've cleared up what files are responsible for what we can decide on the package names
[16:11] <clivejo> I think thats the last issue in plasma 5.5.2?
[16:12] <yofel> if the current scheme is fine, and the translation files are fully arch-indep, then we could also just put the translations into the lib package
[16:12] <yofel> no
[16:12] <clivejo> those pesky orange ones?
[16:12] <yofel> there's the lib stuff in discover, a missing dep in kwin, the missing ksnapshot 15.12 package and the moved kconf install directory
[16:15] <yofel> the kconf stuff is mostly checking whether we actually need to fix something
[16:15] <yofel> as I don't remember if we have any custom kconf scripts
[16:16] <clivejo> who would remember?
[16:16] <clivejo> Jon?>
[16:16] <yofel> maybe, but probably only the ones he added
[16:21] <clivejo> yofel: every night KCI messages me saying Ive broken mergers
[16:21] <yofel> don't ask me about that, I have no idea how that's set up
[16:21] <clivejo> would you help me fix what I broke?
[16:21] <yofel> if you point me to a broken merge I can take a look
[16:22] <clivejo> hummm konservation doesnt seem to have a history
[16:24] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kamoso/238/console
[16:24] <yofel> just run quassel on some scaleway server or so, those are cheap
[16:26] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kamoso.git/
[16:26] <clivejo> do I need a xenial branch?
[16:27] <yofel> o.O
[16:27] <yofel> looking at the branches, at least this should've worked:
[16:27] <yofel>                            unstable -> variant (wily)                           
[16:27] <yofel> [E] merger: There is no unstable branch!
[16:27] <BluesKaj> clivejo:  konversation sets up a log in your /home/user 
[16:28] <clivejo> yes, but quassel I just scrolled back
[16:29] <yofel> only quassel does that
[16:29] <BluesKaj> you can setup a scrollback in settings>configure konversation>chat window
[16:30] <clivejo> Updates were rejected because a pushed branch tip is behind its remote
[16:30] <clivejo> hint: counterpart.
[16:30] <yofel> oh, interesting
[16:30] <BluesKaj> default is only 10 lines, but 99 are available
[16:31] <BluesKaj> bbbl
[16:31] <clivejo> I mean all my history
[16:31] <clivejo> in quassel I could just keep scrolling back
[16:31] <yofel> clivejo: sorry, I give up. I would need to read merger.rb to figure out what it's actually doing
[16:32] <yofel> no time for that
[16:32] <clivejo> and it would keep going
[16:32] <acher88> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-desktop-data_4%3a5.5.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[16:32] <acher88> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kcm_device_automounter.mo', which is also in package kde-l10n-engb 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1
[16:34] <yofel> would it help if I deny reality right now...
[16:36] <clivejo> where should mo/po files go?
[16:37] <yofel> remember me saying that we don't patch out translation stuff just now?
[16:37] <yofel> I wonder if upstream would kill us if we do it here.................
[16:38] <clivejo> yeah, but still dont understand what that means exactly
[16:38] <yofel> well, if they seriously did what above says they did
[16:39] <clivejo> are we supposed to package them separately?
[16:39] <yofel> then we have to add breaks/replaces for plasma-desktop-data against *ALL* translation packages
[16:39] <yofel> no idea, we simply did what upstream did so far after we moved away from rosetta
[16:40] <yofel> another thing that above error tells me is: we cannot ship plasma 5.5 without apps 15.12
[16:41] <yofel> we could ship the new translations I guess, but then translations in 15.08 apps are broken
[16:41] <clivejo> chicken before the egg :P
[16:41] <ScottK> clivejo: (From #debian-qt-kde): Your kscreen problem is Depends: libkf5screen-dev (>= 4:5.5.1~) while the version in the archive is libkf5screen-dev | 4:5.4.3-0ubuntu1 | xenial/universe 
[16:41] <clivejo> ScottK: thanks, but I was talking rubbish earlier
[16:41] <ScottK> OK.
[16:41] <yofel> ScottK: no, it was a broken symbols file in libscreen, which had 7 as soversion for some reason
[16:42] <clivejo> it was libscreen package
[16:42] <yofel> but thanks 
[16:42] <clivejo> I wanted help with, but I got myself all confused
[16:42] <ScottK> OK, but the build log did whine about the insufficient version.
[16:42] <clivejo> yup
[16:42] <clivejo> there was an issue in the symbols file
[16:43] <clivejo> but for libscreen
[16:43] <clivejo> I copied/pasted the wrong buildlog URL
[16:43] <ScottK> OK.
[16:44] <clivejo> wandered off and forgot about it for awhile
[16:45] <clivejo> I have to go now, have a party to go to
[16:45] <yofel> have fun
[16:45] <clivejo> Happy New Year to everybody
[16:49] <soee> http://imgur.com/QqRKlyb
[16:49] <soee> i did an upgrade to 5.5.2 and frameworks 5.17 ... :)
[16:50] <soee> there are some glitches but desktop works fine
[16:51] <BluesKaj> soee:  from the staging-plasma ppa?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> or did you build it from git?
[16:52] <soee> BluesKaj: from staging, there were small problems but -f install and forxe overwrite for plasma-dekstop-data helped
[16:53]  * BluesKaj thinks he'll wait for yofel's recommendation :-)
[16:53] <soee> +1
[16:54] <BluesKaj> tried 5.5 on fedora 23, not an impressive OS media -wise but it works ok
[16:55] <BluesKaj> nothing about fedora made me want to keep it tho
[17:20] <marco-parillo> Agreed about Fedora. If you HAVE to be on 5.5, I recommend Manjaro
[19:27] <marco-parillo> Today is supposed to be Alpha 1 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule), and not that we have anything earth-shattering to report, but it looks as if no other flavor does either (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/).
[19:31] <ahoneybun> aaron/ irc.snoonet.org
[19:31] <ahoneybun> opps
[21:27] <valorie> happy new year, everybody
[21:27]  * valorie goes off to the cabin
[23:07] <yofel> Happy new year everyone :)
[23:20] <mparillo> Happy New Year (in six hours for me), and thanks to everybody.