[02:58] <paul__> hello
[03:04] <paul___> HELLO
[03:05] <paul___> can I upgrade 14.4.4 to 15 ?
[03:28] <xangua> There is no 14.4.4 and neither 15 if you mean Ubuntu release
[05:51] <twb> Anybody here know how the screen reader is *supposed* to work under XFCE?
[05:54] <twb> AFAICT the process is Settings > Accessibility, tick the one tickbox in the first tab, log out, log back in, and then... I guess it should immediately begin reading aloud the GTK widgets under the mouse?
[05:55] <Yato> I'm doing a bit of research for ya
[05:55] <Yato> I've never actually used it.
[05:55] <Yato> But I'm looking into it
[05:55] <twb> (I'm actually trying to bolt orca into my heavily nerfed Debian 8 XFCE kiosk, and #debian and #xfce are both asleep, and I'm not sure if it's not working because I've screwed up, or because I'm not testing properly.)
[05:56] <Yato> You should poke #ubuntu too
[05:56] <Yato> There's a bunch of people on there usually
[05:56] <twb> I guess I should instead look for a generic a11y channel, since that's the more specialist side
[05:56] <Yato> So if I understand correctly
[05:56] <Yato> You want Orca in Xfce?
[05:57] <twb> I want screen reading -- AIUI orca is the only option
[05:57] <twb> Also my current plan is to boot an xubuntu live CD and compare how that behaves
[05:57] <twb> I thought to ask you guys because quacking for "xfce accessibility", about half the hits are xubuntu :P
[05:58] <Yato> Xubuntu is a pretty large Xfce install base :P
[05:59] <twb> The problem will *probably* turn out to be a missing Recommends, or that I'm starting via xdm (not gdm3), or that I've locked down something it's trying to use under the hood (like polkit)
[06:00] <twb> http://sprunge.us/GiMI is what the process tree looks like
[06:00] <Yato> So
[06:00] <twb> The at-spi bits started automatically; I had to run orca -r manually
[06:01] <Yato> This is from the ORca list
[06:01] <Yato> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2010-March/msg00081.html
[06:01] <Yato> It's got a few options related to Xfce
[06:01] <twb> Ah interesting.  orca -t is supposed to ask MANY questions
[06:01] <Yato> It's on an Arch install, but it should be the same process for Debian
[06:01] <twb> It only asked me about braille
[06:02] <twb> That strongly suggests it's missing the eflite or whatever TTS backend
[06:02] <twb> I saw it pulled in libflite or so, so I didn't worry that it omitted speech-dispatcher-festival (flite is a simplified replacement for festival).  I couldn't see a speech-dispatcher-flite either.
[06:03] <Yato> Sorry I'm not too much help
[06:03] <twb> No worries
[06:03] <Yato> But it seems that link got you on the right path :P
[06:04] <twb> The blind guys I know just use gnome3 so they won't be able to help
[06:05] <Yato> So hack_
[06:05] <Yato> From what I can tell from #ubuntu
[06:06] <Yato> It seems like your display just blacks out for half a second every so often?
[06:06] <twb> try turn off compositing in xfwm4
[06:06] <twb> (wild-ass guess)
[06:06] <hack_> Ok going to try that
[06:07] <Yato> Also, how often was it?
[06:07] <Yato> Like, every few minutes
[06:08] <Yato> Or a couple times a day?
[06:08] <hack_> seemed kinda random, was getting it every minute or two about 15 minutes ago, then it stopped for a while
[06:08] <hack_> have not seen it happening again so far
[06:08] <twb> Yato: http://sprunge.us/QDAa  is my checklist :P
[06:09] <Yato> hack_, out of curiosity, desktop or laptop?
[06:09] <hack_> it's a desktop
[06:10] <twb> Yato: were you thinking bumblbee?
[06:10] <Yato> This might seem stupid
[06:10] <Yato> twb, I was thinking cable
[06:10] <twb> oooh
[06:10] <Yato> might not be fully plugged in or is coming out
[06:10] <Yato> esp if it's DVI or VGA
[06:10] <twb> yeah swapping in different components will help determine if it's a hardware fault
[06:10] <hack_> tried that before even getting on here, and it's HDMI actually
[06:10] <Yato> Ah okay
[06:11] <Yato> So, you said it's stopped?
[06:11] <Yato> Hmmm
[06:11] <hack_> seems to have
[06:11] <Yato> Was that after you disabled compositing?
[06:11] <twb> Yato: DVI-D shouldn't be any worse than HDMI or DP; DVI-A would be worse
[06:11] <hack_> yeah, after I disabled that it seems to be behaving
[06:11] <Yato> well
[06:11] <Yato> twb done good.
[06:11] <twb> hack_: no drop shadows for you!
[06:11] <hack_> not sure why though, my gpu should be more than capable
[06:12] <Yato> GPU drivers are crazy on Linux
[06:12] <Yato> You never know.
[06:12] <twb> doesn't mean the guys who wrote the compositor are capable tho :P
[06:12] <hack_> guessing it's AMD/ATI's fault
[06:12] <Yato> OH
[06:12] <Yato> Are you using proprietary or OSS?
[06:12] <twb> There is a stand-alone compositor called "compton" which you can try
[06:12] <Yato> the props. are *horrible* for AMD
[06:13] <hack_> yeah, I'm really considering switching back to OSS, unless some of my games barf on me
[06:14] <Yato> RadeonSI just got OpenGL 4.0 a few weeks back
[06:14] <Yato> and from when I had an AMD card
[06:14] <Yato> they were *worlds* better
[06:14] <Yato> Like
[06:14] <Yato> 30 FPS in TF2 to 300 with OSS
[06:14] <twb> And here was me thinking you meant better in terms of reliability and freedom :/
[06:15] <hack_> well, sounds like better in all respects
[06:15] <twb> Does FPS even matter for orthohumans above 60Hz?
[06:15]  * Yato has two 144Hz monitors
[06:15] <Yato> So yes, for me it does :P
[06:15] <twb> That just means it matters for the monitor, not necessarily the meatbag looking at it
[06:15] <hack_> mine is just some random semi-hi def tv, so probably not
[06:16] <Yato> twb, I can definitely tell a difference
[06:16] <twb> Fair enough
[06:16] <Yato> Just from little things like the mouse and moving windows around
[06:16] <Yato> and in games, it makes a huge difference
[06:16] <Yato> Everything is just... smoother :P
[06:17] <hack_> gonna turn compositioning back on and see if it persists with the OSS drivers
[06:17] <Yato> Are you using the OSS drivers from the regular repos or from oibaf?
[06:17] <Yato> oibaf's are significantly newer
[06:18] <Yato> but they're also nightlies
[06:18] <Yato> so shit could hit the fan
[06:18] <hack_> so far so good ... regular repos I think, just used the standard additional drivers util
[06:18] <Yato> Ah okay
[06:19] <hack_> I'm on trusty, so unless there's some kind of must have feature I stick with the more stable stuff
[06:19] <Yato> Fair enough.
[06:19] <Yato> I understand that
[06:20] <Yato> I use trusty as well
[06:20] <Yato> ...
[06:20] <Yato> someone just joined #ubuntu named ubuntu.
[06:20] <hack_> lol
[06:21] <hack_> I do have one or two ppa's installed, but that's it
[06:21] <twb> Yato: they are probably on a live CD
[06:21] <twb> so the local username is "ubuntu"
[06:21] <Yato> ^ true...
[06:22] <hack_> Gonna try running a game to see if it barfs
[06:23] <twb> crawl!
[06:23] <twb> best game since Hunt the Wumpus
[06:46] <hack_> yep working great
[06:57] <hack_> well, had a game not display the textures right, so went to try and go back to the proprietary ati drivers
[06:58] <hack_> but then it said the driver was manually installed and would not let me change back, so I tried rebooting, and now everything is low res!
[06:58] <hack_> can someone tell me how I can get alternative drivers to behave itself?
[06:59] <hack_> additional drivers, sorry
[07:02] <hack_> I need the additional drivers window to let me change back or is there a way to force it back via the terminal?
[07:03] <hack_> help please?
[07:07] <hack_> Look I really need help now, desperately!
[07:16] <Yato> welp
[07:16] <Yato> I was too late.
[07:16] <Yato> Damn.
[07:30] <noflag> hi all
[07:30] <noflag> i'm having a hell of a time
[07:30] <noflag> trying to set chromium as the default browser in xubuntu
[07:30] <noflag> i've tried everything i know of from googleing
[07:31] <noflag> is there a way to check it step-by-step
[07:33] <xubuntu44i> test
[07:52] <Yato> noflag, you still here?
[07:52] <noflag> yes
[07:53] <Yato> https://askubuntu.com/questions/143221/how-to-set-up-google-chrome-as-default-browser-in-xubuntu
[07:53] <noflag> i'm playing with xdg-open and exo-open
[07:53] <Yato> Try that
[07:53] <Yato> and if that doesn't work
[07:53] <Yato> report back to me
[07:56] <noflag> ok, i'll log out and test it
[08:03] <noflag> still not noticing itself as default, and asking me to pick a default browser when i click links
[08:03] <Yato> huh
[08:03] <Yato> do you have other browsers installed?
[08:06] <noflag> no, i uninstalled firefox
[08:07] <Yato> try these two commands
[08:07] <Yato> sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/chromium
[08:07] <noflag> seems like an ongoing problem for some users
[08:07] <Yato> sudo update-alternatives --set gnome-www-browser /usr/bin/chromium
[08:08] <noflag> no change with xdg-open and exo-open
[08:09] <Yato> what does it do?
[08:09] <Yato> Just ask you where you want to open the link?
[08:10] <noflag> yeah to pick a program, only chromium and debian-sensible-browser available
[08:10] <noflag> i tried manually adding /usr/bin/chromium
[08:10] <noflag> same results
[08:10] <Yato> try removing debian-sensible
[08:10] <Yato> If there's only one browser
[08:10] <Yato> it should like that
[08:11] <Yato> (unless you use that, then we'll try something else)
[08:11] <noflag> how do i remove it?
[08:11] <barnabasdk> the alternatives setup is a mess
[08:11] <Yato> sudo apt-get remove debian-sensible-browser
[08:11] <noflag> i don't have that
[08:12] <noflag> yeah i heard the alternatives system is a POS
[08:12] <barnabasdk> it is
[08:12] <noflag> i can't even log into my google drive folder sync because it errors on launching the browser
[08:13] <noflag> i've got everything working now, except the browser thing lol
[08:14] <barnabasdk> what about the "default applications" app?
[08:14] <barnabasdk> don't know it xubuntu has one
[08:14] <barnabasdk> its there in unity and gnome-shell
[08:14] <Yato> So
[08:14] <Yato> I found the actual package name
[08:14] <Yato> sudo apt-get remove epiphany-browser
[08:14] <Yato> try that
[08:14] <Yato> and if that fails
[08:14] <noflag> not installed
[08:14] <Yato> we shall try more things
[08:15] <Yato> Dang.
[08:15] <barnabasdk> try doing an inverse install
[08:15] <noflag> exo-preferred-applications in xubuntu, it seems
[08:15] <Yato> oh, duh
[08:15] <barnabasdk> sudo apt-get install --reinstall "chrome"
[08:15] <noflag> how do i do an inverse install
[08:15] <Yato> have you tried setting the default browser in Chromium?
[08:16] <noflag> ok
[08:16] <noflag> Yato: yes, it asked every time
[08:16] <Yato> Ah
[08:16] <barnabasdk> dont know the exact name
[08:16] <noflag> its reinstlaling
[08:17] <noflag> no change
[08:17] <barnabasdk> I am out of ideas then
[08:17] <noflag> yeah i've googled the hell out of this
[08:17] <noflag> i guess i'll make a big report
[08:17] <noflag> *bug
[08:18] <Yato> That's what I'm doing at this point is googling and seeing what others have done to fix this\
[08:19] <Yato> I don't know if you've seen this
[08:19] <Yato> but there's a shit ton of stuff to try here
[08:19] <Yato> https://askubuntu.com/questions/143221/how-to-set-up-google-chrome-as-default-browser-in-xubuntu
[08:20] <barnabasdk> I assume you have al been here
[08:20] <barnabasdk> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/guide-default-apps.html
[08:21] <Yato> Yeah, he tried all that
[08:21] <Yato> Welp, I need to go to bed
[08:21] <Yato> Adios!
[08:22] <noflag> i'll update the stuff i read if i figure it out
[09:57] <bsdunix> I am diggin Xubuntu! over 10 years on *nix - and I am running the same Xubuntu install for 3 years already
[09:58] <bsdunix> except for that fontconfig error stuff...
[12:06] <xubuntu49w> Anyone in here?
[12:07] <pjotter> Lots of folk. Don't now if they're all responsive though :)
[14:51] <jilocasin0> No joy.... :( [ in fact it's worse]
[14:54] <jilocasin0> xubuntu (15.10) seriously borked.  renaming .config -> .config_old and rebooting is now worse.  Desktop is missing, just panel and black screen, until I cntrl-alt-F7.  The desktop but no panel.
[14:55] <jilocasin0> still no windows around anything. Even Chrome windows cannot be moved.  Terminal windows appear on upper left and can't be entered to enter text
[14:56] <jilocasin0> anyone have any ideas?
[15:05] <jilocasin0> does anyone know how to reinstall xfce in xubuntu 15.10?
[15:06] <jilocasin0> lubuntu
[15:06] <jilocasin0> lubuntu
[15:06] <jilocasin0> [stuck on wrong window... :( ]
[18:00] <xubuntu18w> I cant get the dns on a static ipaddress to work properly... I can ping other stations in my network, but dns is not working.  (Setup with GUI)
[18:05] <xubuntu62w> I'm not  tech but found this in google search   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903820
[18:07] <xubuntu62w> hope it helps xubuntu18w
[18:07] <xubuntu18w> Thanks
[18:07] <xubuntu62w> yw
[18:08] <xubuntu62w> oops  i too slow
[18:11] <xubuntu62w> is apache the best text editor for xubuntu
[18:11] <genii> apache is a web server, not an editor
[18:12] <xubuntu62w> can you  recommend a pdf  text editor
[18:14] <genii> libreoffice can do it
[18:14] <xubuntu62w> thank  you
[18:15] <xubuntu62w> Have a Safe Happy  New Year
[19:04] <jilocasin0> my xubuntu/xfce is dead... all that's left is to find a way to remove the corpse.
[19:04]  * jilocasin0 very sad
[19:57] <xubuntu51w> greetings and happy new year!  Just installed Xubuntu vivid for the first time and have a couple questions if anyone is on.
[19:59] <xubuntu51w> the mouse cursor randomly "sticks", freezes and disappears over open app panes.  Any settings l can change?
[20:00] <xubuntu51w> Specifically over buttons or input sections.  Most frustrating