[02:58] hello [03:04] HELLO [03:05] can I upgrade 14.4.4 to 15 ? [03:28] There is no 14.4.4 and neither 15 if you mean Ubuntu release === skribblezatcha is now known as pencilandpaper === skribblezatcha is now known as pencilandpaper [05:51] Anybody here know how the screen reader is *supposed* to work under XFCE? [05:54] AFAICT the process is Settings > Accessibility, tick the one tickbox in the first tab, log out, log back in, and then... I guess it should immediately begin reading aloud the GTK widgets under the mouse? [05:55] I'm doing a bit of research for ya [05:55] I've never actually used it. [05:55] But I'm looking into it [05:55] (I'm actually trying to bolt orca into my heavily nerfed Debian 8 XFCE kiosk, and #debian and #xfce are both asleep, and I'm not sure if it's not working because I've screwed up, or because I'm not testing properly.) [05:56] You should poke #ubuntu too [05:56] There's a bunch of people on there usually [05:56] I guess I should instead look for a generic a11y channel, since that's the more specialist side [05:56] So if I understand correctly [05:56] You want Orca in Xfce? [05:57] I want screen reading -- AIUI orca is the only option [05:57] Also my current plan is to boot an xubuntu live CD and compare how that behaves [05:57] I thought to ask you guys because quacking for "xfce accessibility", about half the hits are xubuntu :P [05:58] Xubuntu is a pretty large Xfce install base :P [05:59] The problem will *probably* turn out to be a missing Recommends, or that I'm starting via xdm (not gdm3), or that I've locked down something it's trying to use under the hood (like polkit) [06:00] http://sprunge.us/GiMI is what the process tree looks like [06:00] So [06:00] The at-spi bits started automatically; I had to run orca -r manually [06:01] This is from the ORca list [06:01] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2010-March/msg00081.html [06:01] It's got a few options related to Xfce [06:01] Ah interesting. orca -t is supposed to ask MANY questions [06:01] It's on an Arch install, but it should be the same process for Debian [06:01] It only asked me about braille [06:02] That strongly suggests it's missing the eflite or whatever TTS backend [06:02] I saw it pulled in libflite or so, so I didn't worry that it omitted speech-dispatcher-festival (flite is a simplified replacement for festival). I couldn't see a speech-dispatcher-flite either. [06:03] Sorry I'm not too much help [06:03] No worries [06:03] But it seems that link got you on the right path :P [06:04] The blind guys I know just use gnome3 so they won't be able to help [06:05] So hack_ [06:05] From what I can tell from #ubuntu [06:06] It seems like your display just blacks out for half a second every so often? [06:06] try turn off compositing in xfwm4 [06:06] (wild-ass guess) [06:06] Ok going to try that [06:07] Also, how often was it? [06:07] Like, every few minutes [06:08] Or a couple times a day? [06:08] seemed kinda random, was getting it every minute or two about 15 minutes ago, then it stopped for a while [06:08] have not seen it happening again so far [06:08] Yato: http://sprunge.us/QDAa is my checklist :P [06:09] hack_, out of curiosity, desktop or laptop? [06:09] it's a desktop [06:10] Yato: were you thinking bumblbee? [06:10] This might seem stupid [06:10] twb, I was thinking cable [06:10] oooh [06:10] might not be fully plugged in or is coming out [06:10] esp if it's DVI or VGA [06:10] yeah swapping in different components will help determine if it's a hardware fault [06:10] tried that before even getting on here, and it's HDMI actually [06:10] Ah okay [06:11] So, you said it's stopped? [06:11] Hmmm [06:11] seems to have [06:11] Was that after you disabled compositing? [06:11] Yato: DVI-D shouldn't be any worse than HDMI or DP; DVI-A would be worse [06:11] yeah, after I disabled that it seems to be behaving [06:11] well [06:11] twb done good. [06:11] hack_: no drop shadows for you! [06:11] not sure why though, my gpu should be more than capable [06:12] GPU drivers are crazy on Linux [06:12] You never know. [06:12] doesn't mean the guys who wrote the compositor are capable tho :P [06:12] guessing it's AMD/ATI's fault [06:12] OH [06:12] Are you using proprietary or OSS? [06:12] There is a stand-alone compositor called "compton" which you can try [06:12] the props. are *horrible* for AMD [06:13] yeah, I'm really considering switching back to OSS, unless some of my games barf on me [06:14] RadeonSI just got OpenGL 4.0 a few weeks back [06:14] and from when I had an AMD card [06:14] they were *worlds* better [06:14] Like [06:14] 30 FPS in TF2 to 300 with OSS [06:14] And here was me thinking you meant better in terms of reliability and freedom :/ [06:15] well, sounds like better in all respects [06:15] Does FPS even matter for orthohumans above 60Hz? [06:15] * Yato has two 144Hz monitors [06:15] So yes, for me it does :P [06:15] That just means it matters for the monitor, not necessarily the meatbag looking at it [06:15] mine is just some random semi-hi def tv, so probably not [06:16] twb, I can definitely tell a difference [06:16] Fair enough [06:16] Just from little things like the mouse and moving windows around [06:16] and in games, it makes a huge difference [06:16] Everything is just... smoother :P [06:17] gonna turn compositioning back on and see if it persists with the OSS drivers [06:17] Are you using the OSS drivers from the regular repos or from oibaf? [06:17] oibaf's are significantly newer [06:18] but they're also nightlies [06:18] so shit could hit the fan [06:18] so far so good ... regular repos I think, just used the standard additional drivers util [06:18] Ah okay [06:19] I'm on trusty, so unless there's some kind of must have feature I stick with the more stable stuff [06:19] Fair enough. [06:19] I understand that [06:20] I use trusty as well [06:20] ... [06:20] someone just joined #ubuntu named ubuntu. [06:20] lol [06:21] I do have one or two ppa's installed, but that's it [06:21] Yato: they are probably on a live CD [06:21] so the local username is "ubuntu" [06:21] ^ true... [06:22] Gonna try running a game to see if it barfs [06:23] crawl! [06:23] best game since Hunt the Wumpus === skribblezatcha is now known as pencilandpaper [06:46] yep working great [06:57] well, had a game not display the textures right, so went to try and go back to the proprietary ati drivers [06:58] but then it said the driver was manually installed and would not let me change back, so I tried rebooting, and now everything is low res! [06:58] can someone tell me how I can get alternative drivers to behave itself? [06:59] additional drivers, sorry [07:02] I need the additional drivers window to let me change back or is there a way to force it back via the terminal? [07:03] help please? [07:07] Look I really need help now, desperately! [07:16] welp [07:16] I was too late. [07:16] Damn. [07:30] hi all [07:30] i'm having a hell of a time [07:30] trying to set chromium as the default browser in xubuntu [07:30] i've tried everything i know of from googleing [07:31] is there a way to check it step-by-step [07:33] test [07:52] noflag, you still here? [07:52] yes [07:53] https://askubuntu.com/questions/143221/how-to-set-up-google-chrome-as-default-browser-in-xubuntu [07:53] i'm playing with xdg-open and exo-open [07:53] Try that [07:53] and if that doesn't work [07:53] report back to me [07:56] ok, i'll log out and test it [08:03] still not noticing itself as default, and asking me to pick a default browser when i click links [08:03] huh [08:03] do you have other browsers installed? [08:06] no, i uninstalled firefox === nikolaj is now known as barnabasdk [08:07] try these two commands [08:07] sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/chromium [08:07] seems like an ongoing problem for some users [08:07] sudo update-alternatives --set gnome-www-browser /usr/bin/chromium [08:08] no change with xdg-open and exo-open [08:09] what does it do? [08:09] Just ask you where you want to open the link? [08:10] yeah to pick a program, only chromium and debian-sensible-browser available [08:10] i tried manually adding /usr/bin/chromium [08:10] same results [08:10] try removing debian-sensible [08:10] If there's only one browser [08:10] it should like that [08:11] (unless you use that, then we'll try something else) [08:11] how do i remove it? [08:11] the alternatives setup is a mess [08:11] sudo apt-get remove debian-sensible-browser [08:11] i don't have that [08:12] yeah i heard the alternatives system is a POS [08:12] it is [08:12] i can't even log into my google drive folder sync because it errors on launching the browser [08:13] i've got everything working now, except the browser thing lol [08:14] what about the "default applications" app? [08:14] don't know it xubuntu has one [08:14] its there in unity and gnome-shell [08:14] So [08:14] I found the actual package name [08:14] sudo apt-get remove epiphany-browser [08:14] try that [08:14] and if that fails [08:14] not installed [08:14] we shall try more things [08:15] Dang. [08:15] try doing an inverse install [08:15] exo-preferred-applications in xubuntu, it seems [08:15] oh, duh [08:15] sudo apt-get install --reinstall "chrome" [08:15] how do i do an inverse install [08:15] have you tried setting the default browser in Chromium? [08:16] ok [08:16] Yato: yes, it asked every time [08:16] Ah [08:16] dont know the exact name [08:16] its reinstlaling [08:17] no change [08:17] I am out of ideas then [08:17] yeah i've googled the hell out of this [08:17] i guess i'll make a big report [08:17] *bug [08:18] That's what I'm doing at this point is googling and seeing what others have done to fix this\ [08:19] I don't know if you've seen this [08:19] but there's a shit ton of stuff to try here [08:19] https://askubuntu.com/questions/143221/how-to-set-up-google-chrome-as-default-browser-in-xubuntu [08:20] I assume you have al been here [08:20] http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/guide-default-apps.html [08:21] Yeah, he tried all that [08:21] Welp, I need to go to bed [08:21] Adios! [08:22] i'll update the stuff i read if i figure it out [09:57] I am diggin Xubuntu! over 10 years on *nix - and I am running the same Xubuntu install for 3 years already [09:58] except for that fontconfig error stuff... [12:06] Anyone in here? [12:07] Lots of folk. Don't now if they're all responsive though :) [14:51] No joy.... :( [ in fact it's worse] [14:54] xubuntu (15.10) seriously borked. renaming .config -> .config_old and rebooting is now worse. Desktop is missing, just panel and black screen, until I cntrl-alt-F7. The desktop but no panel. [14:55] still no windows around anything. Even Chrome windows cannot be moved. Terminal windows appear on upper left and can't be entered to enter text [14:56] anyone have any ideas? [15:05] does anyone know how to reinstall xfce in xubuntu 15.10? [15:06] lubuntu [15:06] lubuntu [15:06] [stuck on wrong window... :( ] [18:00] I cant get the dns on a static ipaddress to work properly... I can ping other stations in my network, but dns is not working. (Setup with GUI) [18:05] I'm not tech but found this in google search http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903820 [18:07] hope it helps xubuntu18w [18:07] Thanks [18:07] yw [18:08] oops i too slow [18:11] is apache the best text editor for xubuntu [18:11] apache is a web server, not an editor [18:12] can you recommend a pdf text editor [18:14] libreoffice can do it [18:14] thank you [18:15] Have a Safe Happy New Year [19:04] my xubuntu/xfce is dead... all that's left is to find a way to remove the corpse. [19:04] * jilocasin0 very sad [19:57] greetings and happy new year! Just installed Xubuntu vivid for the first time and have a couple questions if anyone is on. [19:59] the mouse cursor randomly "sticks", freezes and disappears over open app panes. Any settings l can change? [20:00] Specifically over buttons or input sections. Most frustrating === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === skribblezatcha is now known as pencilandpaper === skribblezatcha is now known as pencilandpaper