[04:16] <soee_> happy new year with lots of fun :D
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year folks
[16:53] <clivejo> yofel: any word back from maxy regarding the problems in plasma5.5.2?
[21:04] <clivejo> !kamoso
[21:04] <clivejo> !info kamoso
[21:05] <soee_> clivejo: hiho, do we have to wait for 5.5.2 to be finished ?
[21:09] <clivejo> soee_: yup
[21:09] <clivejo> Ive took it as far as I can
[21:09] <clivejo> need upstream to confirm a few things
[21:10] <clivejo> well upstreams (KDE and Debian)
[21:11] <soee_> clivejo: so maybe you can upload latest apps ?
[21:11] <soee_> 15.12.0
[21:13] <clivejo> what version have we?
[21:13] <soee_> xenial has 15.08.3
[21:14] <clivejo> nothing actually specific to xenial
[21:14] <clivejo> that was just copied over when xenial dev was opened I think
[21:16] <clivejo> Ill certainly try, but Id need a nod or a wink from yofel or sgclark7
[21:17] <soee_> well as topic says 15.12.0 are todo, so i think it is ok to strt with them
[21:17] <soee_> hmm but there is no Xenial on the list: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications
[21:18] <soee_> it is added automatically or needs to be done manually ?
[21:19] <clivejo> they will appear when someone stages and uploads them
[21:19] <clivejo> so a semi-automatic
[21:19] <soee_> yofel: what do you think ?
[21:23] <clivejo> I need a Kubuntu member to pause KCI
[21:24] <soee_> clivejo: why you are no kubuntu member yet ?
[21:24] <clivejo> nope
[21:24] <soee_> but why ? :)
[21:24] <clivejo> you dont want to know!
[21:25] <soee_> :D
[21:25] <soee_> clivejo: how do you think, how long it will take to learn packaging for a user who never did it before ?
[21:26] <clivejo> no idea, depends on your interests and skill sets
[21:27] <clivejo> the problem is fixing the major stuff and that takes years of experience
[21:28] <clivejo> I came here to learn how to package Kolab and got interested in packaging KDE stuff
[21:30] <clivejo> soee_: are you interested in learning?
[21:31] <clivejo> :( looks like apps have a few problems
[21:33] <soee_> brb
[21:45] <soee_> clivejo: what problems apps have ?
[21:45] <soee_> clivejo: ye i plan to start with packaging for a long time already, never had enough free time to do it
[21:47] <clivejo> just watching the output and quite a few being moved to manual
[21:52] <clivejo> Ive messaged yofel on Telegram, no answer there either
[21:54] <clivejo> I think Ill go to bed early
[21:54] <clivejo> bad need to sleep
[22:26] <soee_> hava a good night clivejo
[22:26] <clivejo> soee_: not gone yet!
[22:27] <clivejo> 15 in manual so far
[22:48] <soee_> ah i thought you are off :D
[22:52] <soee_> just thoughts, i think 2016 will be cool year. Plasma 5 should be finally polished and work just as it should (maybe it will reach KDE4 stability). QT 5.6 LTS should be released. We will have Kubuntu 16.04 LTS :)
[22:53] <soee_> all i'm missing is probably some good Nvidia drivers that could fix the tearing problem and allow quick gpu switch
[22:58] <clivejo> oh dear, staging-upload went off the rails
[22:58] <clivejo> ktnef
[22:59] <clivejo> New version specified (15.12.0-0ubuntu1) is less than
[22:59] <clivejo> the current version number (4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1)!  Use -b to force.
[22:59] <soee_> the leading 4: is autmaticaly added ?
[23:00] <clivejo> its an epoch
[23:00] <soee_> clivejo: what is epoch ?
[23:01] <clivejo> its used to reset a mistake in version numbers
[23:01] <clivejo> say someone uploaded plasma 15.5.3 as a typo
[23:02] <clivejo> that package would be installed instead of 5.5.4
[23:02] <clivejo> up to the point that plasma reached 15.5.4
[23:02] <clivejo> so we add an epoch
[23:03] <clivejo> !info ktnef
[23:04] <clivejo> its got an epoch of 4
[23:05] <clivejo> needs to be added to the epoch list in packaging-exceptions.json
[23:05] <clivejo> but Im confused as to why its not there already
[23:05] <clivejo> must be a new epoch
[23:05] <soee_> hmm a bit confusing
[23:06]  * clivejo nods
[23:07] <clivejo> I find version numbers the hardest to understand
[23:08] <clivejo> plasma is at 5, apps are at 15
[23:08] <soee_> also frameworks are @ 5.x
[23:09] <soee_> i think it would me much better to have apps also @ 5.x
[23:09] <clivejo> or have year month day
[23:10] <soee_> it could match frameworks version it uses also, something like 5.17.1 (5 - main version, 17 - frameworks version. 5.17, and 1 - bugfix release)
[23:11] <clivejo> anyways, I need someone to say yes or no to adding this package to exceptions
[23:11] <clivejo> so Ill give up for tonight
[23:11] <clivejo> night night
[23:19] <soee_> good night