[00:00] <penguin42> Happy new year
[00:00] <daftykins> and to you sir \o
[00:00] <zmoylan-pi> happy new year all o/
[00:00] <daftykins> *sirs et all :)
[00:07] <m0nkey_> Weird to think you guys are now in 2016, I'm still in 2015.
[00:07] <m0nkey_> Happy new year
[00:08] <penguin42> m0nkey_: Well hurry up m0nkey_ or you'll miss all the fun
[00:09] <m0nkey_> Another 5 hours to go
[00:34] <dogmatic69_> o/
[00:34] <dogmatic69_> happy new year all
[00:37] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Happy new year
[01:06] <zmoylan-pi> just in time for new years thank goodness... http://imgur.com/lks5xGg
[01:09] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Yep saw them a few days ago; my theory is that chocolate reindeer reabsorb their antlers and grow long ears
[01:10] <zmoylan-pi> santas are repurposed for valentines day... :-P http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6943235/unwrapped-santa-claus-chocolate-looks-like-a-penis
[01:13] <penguin42> haha
[01:26] <daftykins> no way i still have one of those in my advent calendar i haven't opened!
[01:26] <daftykins> oh it's not the Lindt one :P
[01:27] <penguin42> advent calendars are not much use for me; not enough chocolate
[01:33] <daftykins> too true
[01:33] <daftykins> i have to forget about it for days, then do a whole bunch at once ;)
[01:53] <m0nkey_> Only three more hours to go.
[01:54] <daftykins> D:
[01:55] <m0nkey_> Still counting down to the new year here
[01:55] <daftykins> indeed... helloooo from the futuuuuuure
[01:56] <zmoylan-pi> and tomorrows lottery numbers are pi, iota, infinity and e
[01:58] <m0nkey_> awesome.
[01:58] <daftykins> the bonus ball, is batman symbol
[01:59] <zmoylan-pi> i thought a mobius strip would be more appropriate... ;-)
[01:59] <daftykins> you'll wake up dan!
[10:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[14:23] <ali1234> ever since i upgraded to 15.04 my CPU fan now only has two speeds
[14:29] <diddledan> ali1234, are they "fast" and "jet-turbine"?
[14:29] <ali1234> no they are "almost stopped" and "jet turbine"
[14:29] <ali1234> and as a result the cpu temperature oscillates wildly
[14:29] <diddledan> :-(
[14:30] <diddledan> linux has always had issues with fan control IMO
[14:30] <ali1234> it worked fine in 14.04
[14:30] <diddledan> power saving in general, too
[14:30] <diddledan> I wonder what's changed between the two
[14:30] <ali1234> systemd?
[14:31] <diddledan> hmm
[15:17] <penguin42> I'd assume the fan stuff is at the kernel or acpi level
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: also, maybe, the ACPI kernel patch that makes ACPI behave differently
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: (https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/34542.html)
[15:31] <ali1234> great. how do i put it back?
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> I think there's a kernel command line flag.
[15:55] <penguin42> but there are a whole bunch of different ones, so whether it's that particular one is a different matter
[15:56]  * penguin42 washes out his gloves, feels like it's about time to need them
[16:04] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[16:07] <m0nkey_> Happy Hangover to all!
[16:25] <Myrtti> no hangover, just bored...
[16:26] <penguin42> back to work on Monday; I don't think I've got a vast amount done in 2 weeks
[16:35] <m0nkey_> :(
[16:36] <m0nkey_> Myrtti, had a good catch up with Duncan yesterday. :)
[16:36] <Myrtti> I've poked him about it for weeks :-P
[16:37] <m0nkey_> He's like me, procrastinates for weeks then finally does it.
[16:38] <m0nkey_> The wife is often reminding me to do stuff months later
[16:40] <Myrtti> :-D
[16:40] <Myrtti> that seems to be our lot in life
[16:42] <penguin42> oh that's reassuring, it's not just me then....
[16:44] <m0nkey_> lol
[17:41] <penguin42> hmm there's a slow memory leak somewhere in uptodate 12.04; upgraded my firewall to 14.04 and it seems to be gone - absolutely no useful way to report that, but it's there
[19:22] <Myrtti> hour and a half still and I'm ready for bed :-|
[19:39] <m0nkey_> I was ready for bed again when I got up this morning
[19:41] <Myrtti> for some reason, that's what D said, too
[19:43] <m0nkey_> Great minds!
[20:03] <mapps> hm
[20:10]  * popey has had a jim jams day
[20:15] <penguin42> all day?
[20:19] <popey> ya
[20:20] <penguin42> popey: Intend to continue the year the same way :-)
[20:20] <popey> hah
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully a tux onsie... :-)
[20:32] <penguin42> with orange slippers
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.pajamasbuy.com/penguin-pajamas-onesies-hoodie-animal-costume-pyjama/
[20:34] <penguin42> hehe
[20:35] <zmoylan-pi> 50 of those on volunteers and turn up at microsoft events... :-D
[20:46] <Myrtti> 15 minutes until Sherlock
[21:03] <Myrtti> starting!
[21:35] <foobarry> argh blocked drain
[21:50] <daftykins> foobarry: :(
[21:50] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8dwmr4hdblzbngp/AAAGLSmS1u000wurPqrMrNnma?dl=0
[21:50] <daftykins> found this old classic :D
[22:31] <Azelphur> Hey folks, just did an u pgrade from 14.10 to 15.10, now primus/optirun won't work on my laptop. Are there any known issues?
[22:31] <Azelphur> I have two different laptops with exactly the same problem :<
[22:34] <daftykins> is that the one provided by nvidia-prime or bumblebee o0
[22:36] <Azelphur> I've been trying to use bumblebee as I did before
[22:37] <Azelphur> I thought nvidia-prime was "Want nvidia? restart X" rather than on a per-application basis like bumblebee
[22:40] <daftykins> i didn't think so, i thought prime was meant to use things auto - but it might depend on the system
[22:41]  * Azelphur shrugs
[22:52] <daftykins> Azelphur: anywho if it's the bumblebee approach, i take it there's no benefit to purging the lot of bumble* and nvidia* packages and retrying?
[22:53] <Azelphur> yea, tried it
[22:58] <daftykins> which nvidia driver is being tried?
[22:58] <daftykins> 352 and 355 seem to have quirks
[23:15] <Azelphur> I'm on 358, I just enabled nvidia-prime, god alone knows what's wrong with it
[23:16] <daftykins> you'd need all bumblebee purged then
[23:17] <daftykins> gah, i used to have a note here about log files that refer to optimus config at boot
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> did god sign nvidia nda? :-)
[23:19] <daftykins> i was reading an article earlier about paranoia toward the intel x86 platform due to the intel Management Engine (ME) being integrated onto chips now, which means malware can live totally OS and disk dependant
[23:20] <penguin42> daftykins: But that's been true for many many years really
[23:20] <penguin42> daftykins: In the sense that there are enough chunks of flash in any PC in the last 10-15 years to have loads of places to hide
[23:20] <daftykins> *nod*
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> you can no longer trust the cpu is an old one for at least 5 years or so
[23:20] <daftykins> however, is the ME not the first that has full standby level access to CPU and network at a low level?
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> it's more consistent across designs iirc
[23:22] <penguin42> yeh, the consistency is probably the big difference, probably with a bit more hiding done by the hardware
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> if you want secure get an 8bit cpu :-)
[23:23] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/31/rutkowska_talks_on_intel_x86_security_issues/
[23:23] <penguin42> the 32bit Cortex-M micros are pretty good
[23:23] <daftykins> here's the one
[23:27] <penguin42> the tricky bit is I can see lots of useful things that CPU can be doing, so hmm
[23:27] <penguin42> and almost every device has management CPUs anyway
[23:28] <daftykins> i'm not sure if it's changed in skylake, but typically only business line systems had ME built in anyway
[23:28] <daftykins> the point of that talk may be that newer ones all have it on-die, not sure
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> it's malware rolled into the chip making it impossible to disable
[23:30] <penguin42> well the actual firmware for it is still in the external flash isn't it?
[23:32] <daftykins> its' storage is capable of housing malware :D
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> we should thank lenovo for showing how to put malware into bios/uefi...
[23:34] <daftykins> more Microsoft since that delivery mechanism is a feature of theirs :)
[23:34] <daftykins> if i'm thinking of the same one, anyway
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> well their rolling w10 install is a bunch of malware pretending to be an os at this stage
[23:53] <daftykins> that's a really silly statement
[23:53] <daftykins> same as folk coming into #ubuntu claiming it's the same due to the amazon search thing ;)
[23:56] <daftykins> i might buy a cheap soldering iron off amazon o0
[23:57] <ali1234> get a hakko
[23:57] <ali1234> do it
[23:57] <ali1234> melt all the thing