[00:31] <ubuntu_> if i install the daily-live build, does it get updated as future builds come out?
[00:32] <ikonia> ubuntu_: consider it a rolling release
[00:35] <ubuntu_> thanks ikonia - does it continue to "roll" past 16.04 to daily builds for the next version, 16.10, when available?
[00:36] <CryptoSiD> 16.04 will be 16.10 when officialy released, so im pretty sure the answer if yes
[00:36] <CryptoSiD> but i'll let the pros confirm
[00:37] <k1l_> if you run the updates it will become a 16.04 on release day
[00:37] <k1l_> the released ubuntu versions are not rolling releases. they stay at their version
[00:38] <CryptoSiD> it's already 16.04?
[00:39] <CryptoSiD> i prolly missundestand ubuntu_ question, just do as i havent talk:D
[00:39] <k1l_> 16.04 will be released in april 2016. that is waht the number/name says
[00:41] <ubuntu_> so, the daily-live builds are specific for each version.  to move to the 16.10 beta daily-live would require a re-install when it's available?
[00:42] <k1l_> ubuntu_: there is no development16.10 as long as 16.04 is not released
[00:43] <k1l_> ubuntu_: so if 16.04 release is reached and you run the updates it will be a stable release then. if you want to be on the development release again you need to upgrade to the 16.10 development branch
[00:44] <ubuntu_> k1l_, thanks
[06:59] <lrs> I managed to break my install when upgrading to 16.04. Only have a Debian live cd right now. Is it possible to fix?
[07:00] <lrs> I also deleted all the old kernels in boot so I basically just have the latest which is crap
[07:02] <CryptoSiD> depend on how its broke
[07:03] <lrs> I think my power cable jumped out. I went to sleep when it was updating
[07:04] <lrs> Either that or it just broke in some way
[07:05] <lrs> I wad thinking of booting a Linux kernel from the Debian cd and then continue with th e update?
[07:06] <CryptoSiD> im not pro enough to know if it would work, better download ubuntu 16.04 netinstall
[07:06] <lrs> Do you think that could repair it?
[07:07] <CryptoSiD> good Q, id like to know tho:)
[07:07] <CryptoSiD> if you're patient enough im pretty sure some peoples here can help you with that
[07:07] <CryptoSiD> whats happening when you're trying to boot
[07:10] <lrs> Derm_kms_helper: panic occured switching back to text console
[07:11] <lrs> Kernel panic not synching
[07:11] <CryptoSiD> k sorry i can't help, im too noob!
[07:18] <tomreyn> i'm here. so do you know in which stage of the upgrade it failed?
[07:18] <tomreyn> i.e. whether it was beyond the 'point of no return' where it actually starts installing packages?
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> lrs: wich release did you upgrade from?
[07:19] <lrs> I went to sleep and the power cable probably jumped out. Either that or it or it broke.
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: same for you, wich release you upgrading from
[07:19] <lrs> I deleted all prev kernels in boot because I needed space. Only one there right now is 74
[07:20] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i'm not looking for help, just trying to help lrs since he could apparently not get help here before
[07:20] <lrs> One chance that I didn't update grub bur not sure
[07:20] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: thanks for the offer, though
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> lrs: from wich ubuntu version are you commin gmate
[07:20] <lrs> 14.04
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> lrs: thats not good mate, you cant yet properly upgrade from trusty
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> lrs: clean install xenial instead
[07:22] <lrs> Basically I have live Debian cd
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> i upgraded from 15.10 and that going better
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> with sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[07:22] <lrs> Was thinking of booting a kernel with that and repair the install somehow? Not suew
[07:22] <lrs> Yes that's what I used
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> lrs: thats not good from trusty
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> lrs: as the upgrade thinks xenial exists... but were still in development version
[07:24] <tomreyn> lrs: in the situation you're in i would  either do a new install or download the 14.04 installation / live image and boot off it, then chroot into the system and run the release upgrade there from a temrinal
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> lrs: so take the advise, clean install xenial
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: its not reccomended to upgrade from trusty yet
[07:25] <lrs> Ok. So there's no way to use Debian?
[07:25] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: to 14.10 then, and until 15.04
[07:25] <lrs> Gonna need another computer for that
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: 14.10 is eol, why take the risk
[07:26]  * lrs is on phone
[07:26] <lrs> I had like 450 updays on this install
[07:27] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: sorry i meant to say he should try to get to 15.10, which i assume requires upgrading to 14.10, 15.04, 1510 in that order
[07:28] <tomreyn> but i agree a clean installation is the best way
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: yeah its a long way around like that, clean install would be more nice
[07:28] <tomreyn> i think he could also do a clean installation of 14.04 though
[07:28] <tomreyn> since it failed during the upgrade, there is no chance that any application configurations are incompatible.
[07:29] <tomreyn> (those in his home directory)
[07:29] <lrs> Well my idea is to repair the install
[07:29] <lrs> USB of 14 04 or 16 04
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> repair trusty or xenial?
[07:30] <lrs> Not sure which I'm on that's why I said I wonder if grub broken
[07:30] <lrs> Because it shows old kernels I deleted
[07:30] <tomreyn> lrs: what you can try is to boot the debian cd and chroot into the system and try to repair it from there. but since it's in an unknown and unsupported state this may not be so easy.
[07:32] <tomreyn> while debian and ubuntu are still relatives, they are no longer as close as they used to be, though. so this may or may not work for you.
[07:32] <lrs> How?
[07:32] <lrs> There is a busybox thing
[07:35] <lrs> Rescue mode and then it says
[07:35] <lrs> Device to use as root system
[07:35] <lrs> I pick do not use root system
[07:36] <lrs> Execute she'll in installer environment
[07:36] <lrs> And I have a busybox :s
[07:36] <tomreyn> so, if i interpret this correctly, grub is working, but your root file system is not found or configured
[07:37] <lrs> No right now I'm on the Debian live cd. But! I haven't updated grub...
[07:37] <lrs> So that may be the problwm
[07:37] <tomreyn> herE's how to chroot, but this only explains how to reinstall grub, which you may not need to do now. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[07:37] <tomreyn> instead of installing grub there you could try to hose your system more instead.
[07:38] <tomreyn> whoops i meant to say you could try to identify and fix the part that is broken instead
[07:39] <lrs> You mean edit grub? From grub?
[07:39] <lrs> I think I Debian live cd doesn't work for this
[07:39] <tomreyn> i mean: you should do a clean install.
[07:40] <tomreyn> anything else is most likely going to end in a fruitless and rather disappointing / demotivating hacking session without making things any better
[07:40] <lrs> I can edit grub command. So if it installed the new Linux kernel UT might work
[07:42] <lrs> So the kernel is probably 4.4 something
[07:53] <lrssa> HI back
[09:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:41] <lrrrrrrsss> Hi
[10:41] <lrrrrrrsss> It was me that had problems earlier
[10:41] <lrrrrrrsss> I have a usb with 16.04, but it doesnt give m e a repair option really
[10:42] <lrrrrrrsss> If i do a fresh install, what happens? And what happens if i get a 14.04 usb? and which one 14.04.1, 2,3 ?
[10:44] <ikonia> what do you mean "what happens"
[10:45] <lrrrrrrsss> Ok. So what happened was I had 14.04, tried to update to 16.04
[10:45] <lrrrrrrsss> Cable went or something happened, broke my whole install
[10:45] <lrrrrrrsss> Now im trying to repair it
[10:45] <ikonia> ok ?
[10:45] <lrrrrrrsss> Should I use the usb with 14.04 or 16.04? 16.04 is in right now
[10:46] <ikonia> it doesn't matter
[10:46] <ikonia> to be honest - I'd suggest you just clean install
[10:46] <ikonia> 16.04 is moving a lot
[10:46] <k1l_> since its a alpha and in development. you dont have important data on it and can make a new install, right?
[10:46] <lrrrrrrsss> But how do I save all my settings and file and stuff? Ive had this previous install for 450 days
[10:46] <ikonia> so you'd probably finding it easier to re-install to $current
[10:46] <ikonia> you should have backed it up ?
[10:46] <ikonia> you're using development pre-release OS on a machine that you have data you don't want to lose ?
[10:47] <k1l_> load a live usb and copy all the data you want to keep
[10:47] <lrrrrrrsss> Yeah, Ive gotten to that
[10:47] <lrrrrrrsss> But I feel like i can save this
[10:47] <ikonia> how do you know that ?
[10:47] <ikonia> you do'nt even know what you should boot to save it
[10:48] <lrrrrrrsss> Well, if I could install the kernel?
[10:48] <ikonia> ???
[10:48] <lrrrrrrsss> I mean isnt there a repair option in either 14.04? Or 16.04
[10:48] <ikonia> it's not an auto repair job
[10:48] <lrrrrrrsss> Well, see, if I hadnt been stupid amd removed all my precious kernels
[10:48] <ikonia> it requires you to fix things, it just gives you tools
[10:48] <lrrrrrrsss> I could have fall back to them
[10:48] <lrrrrrrsss> Because I didnt, I am in the situation im in now
[10:48] <ikonia> ??? how do yo uknow you even have a kernel problem
[10:49] <ikonia> whats the actual problem with the machine if you try to boot it into 16.04 now
[10:49] <lrrrrrrsss> Because it says kernel panic whe ni try to boot? I imagine that it crapped up the 74 kernel, and because I cant go back to previous ones Im stuck
[10:50] <ikonia> that doesn't mean you have a kernal problem
[10:50] <ikonia> that could be any of th packages the kernel needs to boot
[10:50] <ikonia> (of course you could have a kernel problem too)
[10:51] <lrrrrrrsss> But doesnt ubuntu have any way of recognizing stuff?
[10:52] <ikonia> what do you mean ?
[10:52] <lrrrrrrsss> I mean I have a encrypted 110 gb filesystem with /
[10:52] <lrrrrrrsss> Cant it just, see I have that hwen i install and repair the broken packages and get a fresh kernel
[10:52] <ikonia> right ?
[10:52] <ikonia> it can't boot
[10:52] <ikonia> how can it fix something when it can't even boot
[10:52] <lrrrrrrsss> WHy cant it boot it?
[10:52] <ikonia> you have a kernel panic
[10:53] <ikonia> I suggest you boot from a live media, backup any data you want to keep and just re-install
[10:53] <lrrrrrrsss> ;_;
[10:53] <ikonia> if this is an important/every day use machine, I suggest you use a stable release
[10:56] <lrrrrrrsss> ikonis : What about updating grub?
[10:56] <ikonia> what about it ?
[10:57] <lrrrrrrsss> Maybe it is broken hmm.
[10:57] <lrrrrrrsss> Ok, 16.04 said it didnt find any OS
[10:58] <ikonia> I think you're just guessing at random things without any real trouble shooting
[10:58] <ikonia> you'll find it quicker - boot from live media, backup your data, re-install with a stable version
[11:00] <lrrrrrrsss> ikonia: Will 14.04 find it? Or will nothing find it?
[11:00] <lrrrrrrsss> And I got 14.04.3, but i probably installed 14.04. Not sure if that makes a difference
[11:02] <ikonia> find what ?
[11:03] <ikonia> installed 14.04 ? you said you are working on 16.04
[11:03] <lrrrrrrsss> ikonia: I had 14.04 for 450 days
[11:04] <lrrrrrrsss> Now when i tried to update to 16.04 it crapped up
[11:04] <ikonia> so ?
[11:04] <lrrrrrrsss> SOmetimes when you install ubuntu you get to choose if you want to reinstall
[11:04] <lrrrrrrsss> Will it find it
[11:04] <ikonia> ok, so boot live media, back up your data and re-install a stable OS
[11:04] <ikonia> you don't want to re-install
[11:04] <k1l> lrrrrrrsss: 16.04 is a development release just entered alpha state. that was clear from the start. so i dont know what you try to blame now.
[11:04] <ikonia> you want to boot live media, and back up your data
[11:05] <ikonia> lrrrrrrsss: then when you boot to re-install make sure you format the partitions (check box) so you get a real clean install
[11:05] <lrrrrrrsss> Who said something about blaming?
[11:06] <k1l> lrrrrrrsss: and interrupting the upgrade process to the development release is not helping either. so grab you latest backup (or make a new one with a live-usb) then make a clean re install.
[11:07] <ikonia> I don't think the interuption was intentional
[11:07] <lrrrrrrsss> No
[11:07] <lrrrrrrsss> I went to sleep, and somehow i managed to kick out the power cable
[11:07] <ikonia> easy to snag a cable,
[11:07] <lrrrrrrsss> I think :S
[11:07] <ikonia> easy done
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy all