[00:00] <Sebastien> omg, im still banned?
[00:01] <ikonia> yes
[00:01] <Sebastien> why
[00:01] <ikonia> as you told me not to bother
[00:01] <Sebastien> wow
[00:01] <ikonia> I did put a note in the logs to welcome you back if you came back
[00:01] <ikonia> I hoped you would, as I appreciate it's easy to get annoyed when you're frustrated
[00:01] <Sebastien> i come here to complain about someone rude to me, and i get banned...
[00:01] <ikonia> that wasn't what happened
[00:01] <ikonia> and I asked you to stay so I could explain it
[00:01] <ikonia> but I understand you where upset
[00:02] <Sebastien> one moment
[00:02] <ikonia> no problem
[00:11] <Sebastien> ok
[00:11] <Sebastien> so what's up
[00:11] <Sebastien> why am i still banned?
[00:11] <ikonia> no problem,
[00:11] <ikonia> so you where ban forwarded here (not banned as the intention is not to keep you out)
[00:11] <Sebastien> i was fucking pissed, i went for a 420 break, its better now
[00:11] <ikonia> tone down the language please
[00:12] <ikonia> it's not called for, or acceptable
[00:12] <ikonia> basically, 2 users came in here both claiming they where being pm abused
[00:12] <ikonia> I needed a minute to resolve it with you both
[00:12] <ikonia> you refused to stay in the channel and to be honest where a little dismissive that it needed looking into
[00:13] <ikonia> eg: I've reported it - ban him
[00:13] <ikonia> so I forwarded you back in here to actually resolve it and find out who was being abusive
[00:13] <ikonia> but you where angry and exploded,
[00:13] <ikonia> I tried to contact you privately but you said you where done with the project and to forget it,
[00:13] <ikonia> so I did just that until you rejoined
[00:13] <ikonia> (which I hoped you would a little clamer)
[00:14] <ikonia> that's all, nothing sinister
[00:14] <Sebastien> my intentions were just to tell you. you have no business whatsoever with what happens in pm. but being informed about rude people is sometimes fun, i know im rude too sometimes, and if triggered i will blow up f bombs and explosions like isi ain't got nothin' on me yo.
[00:14] <Sebastien> it happens
[00:14] <Sebastien> but i came here, and got banned from main
[00:14] <Sebastien> im really pissed about that
[00:14] <ikonia> Sebastien: it was useful to know there is a problem user, people should not be getting abused in pm from the ubuntu channel
[00:14] <ikonia> there is zero issue reporting it, so please don't think that
[00:15] <Sebastien> it was not abuse, don't say abuse, abuse would be sending someone 5000+ color codes super quick to make them crash.
[00:15] <Sebastien> this was pure rudeness
[00:15] <ikonia> the language was abusive
[00:15] <ikonia> thats why I said abusive
[00:16] <ikonia> either way, it's not something we want people to get from using the channel
[00:16] <ikonia> so reporting it is very much appreciated
[00:16] <Sebastien> he even came back after
[00:16] <Sebastien> Session Start: Fri Jan 01 14:36:47 2016
[00:16] <Sebastien> Session Ident: tkogitz
[00:16] <Sebastien> [14:40:40] <steamMAD> Asshole
[00:16] <Sebastien> Session Close: Fri Jan 01 14:40:48 2016
[00:16] <ikonia> I'm sure
[00:16] <Sebastien> like wth
[00:16] <ikonia> and if you'd stayed in the channel for a few minutes, we'd have discovered he was the problem and removed him
[00:17] <ikonia> however as you did pretty much a "hit and run" and refused to discuss it, it was hard for us to do anything about it
[00:17] <ikonia> (by us I mean me)
[00:17] <Sebastien> k
[00:18] <ikonia> if you give me a moment, you'll be welcome to use the channels again
[00:18] <ikonia> just try to keep calm, I certainly didn't deserve the insults I got thrown at me for trying to help you, but I DO appreciate you where upset
[00:18] <ikonia> just please don't get upset as easy,
[00:19] <ikonia> ok, the ban should be gone
[00:19] <ikonia> if you want to give it a try
[00:20] <Sebastien> ty
[00:20] <ikonia> super
[01:34] <Dylan____> How long is a ubuntu ban ?
[01:34] <Dylan____> Like from the #ubuntu channel
[01:35] <Dylan____> Cause i was abused by the channel over there
[01:35] <Dylan____> Dtsting
[01:35] <Dylan____> Stating that i was not getting things right and stuff
[01:35] <Dylan____> And im pretty annoyed how i wasnt answered by anyone ofer there
[01:38] <rww> @login
[01:38] <rww> @btlogin
[01:38] <rww> k1l_: around ^?
[01:40] <rww> might want to come back tomorrow when k1l is here and discuss it with him. since it was just set, i'm not comfortable removing it right now
[01:40] <rww> looks like he went to bed
[02:50] <Dylan____> Oh ok
[02:51] <Dylan____> Thanks anyways
[02:55] <phunyguy> Dylan____: if there is nothing else we can help you with, please part the channel and come back later.
[03:00] <Dylan____> Ok
[03:57] <Dylan____> Any news if i can get unbanned yet?
[03:57] <Dylan____> Cause i need serious help
[03:59] <bazhang> Dylan____, that was less than one hour
[04:02] <Dylan____> Hmm
[04:02] <Dylan____> Well i think im going to have to wait 24 hours till i get hell i guess
[04:03] <bazhang> try askubuntu.com
[04:03] <phunyguy> Dylan____: there is also a user support mailing list.
[04:03] <bazhang> I hope you meant help
[04:04] <phunyguy> Dylan____: with that said, #ubuntu-offtopic isn't a support channel either.
[04:05] <Dylan____> Listen i understand where your coming from
[04:05] <Dylan____> But the problem is that this is a problem i dont know how to solve and everytime it occurs i get so frustrated that i reinstall ubuntu all over again
[04:09] <bazhang> Dylan____, thats a shame, perhaps those other avenues of support are more suitable to your temeperament
[04:10] <bazhang> and temperament
[04:16] <Dylan____> So your saying im a downie then
[04:17] <bazhang> pardon?
[04:18] <bazhang> Dylan____, please use those other avenues, come back at a later time, its just now the new years weekend celebration so it wont be a come back every hour situation
[04:52] <avis> i am now banned from #ubuntu-offtopic and cleared up all issues here why i was silenced there and even came back to this channel to clarify i was not idling unreasonable here, because those here just as i had, were very turtle slow to respond to my support request.  i am the owner of ubuntu and would like to be unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic.  i have not done anything in there that would warrant a ban.
[04:54] <rww> please elaborate on "i am the owner of ubuntu"
[04:56] <avis> if i go to the county courthouse in harris county united states of America here in the state of Texas and requested the papers for ownership i would be given full entitlement to it.  i can state previous owners, and the people that give it to me last.
[04:56] <rww> alrighty. please come back when you're not delusional and we'll discuss #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:57] <avis> may i ask who my claimant is ?
[04:57] <rww> what
[04:57] <avis> i take things to court, with my shapiros that are bottom line best shapiros best in the country of America when someone claims to own something that i do.
[04:58] <Dylan____> I think this guys a troll just saying
[04:58] <rww> Dylan____: As three ops have said now, your ban will not be removed at this time. Please /part the channel.
[04:58] <Dylan____> K soz
[04:59] <avis> so who is the claimant to my company and under what grounds am i being considered delusional ?
[04:59] <rww> avis: Alrighty, as for you. Come back when you're willing to behave in a sane and reasonable manner and not before.
[04:59] <rww> Have a nice rest of your day.
[04:59] <avis> rww, there is nothing i have said that reflects unsane manner
[04:59] <rww> I disagree.
[05:00] <avis> and any company owner would state legally that nothing was said unresonably here under grounds of ownership
[05:00] <avis> i'd like to hear your case
[05:00] <rww> I don't care to play into your nonsense.
[05:00] <rww> Anyone else want to tackle this one?
[05:03] <rww> No? Alrighty then. Your ban will not be removed at this time, avis. Please /part the channel.
[05:03] <Flannel> avis: This isn't the legal system.  We don't have to entertain your claim of ownership of Ubuntu.  Until you agree to stop discussing this matter in Ubuntu-related channels, you will remained banned, as the statements are considered unwelcome/offtopic/spam.
[05:05] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-ops avis apparently still "owns" Ubuntu. also, fun fact, i just discovered he has history under the nick k-rad too
[09:34] <k1l_> Dylan____: hi
[10:34] <ikonia> welcome back elky
[10:36] <ikonia> @clearban  65556
[10:36] <ikonia> @clearban  65338
[10:36] <ikonia> @cleanban  65556
[10:41] <ikonia> @clearban 65155
[10:41] <ikonia> @clearban  65156
[10:42] <ikonia> @clearban   66102
[10:42] <ikonia> @clearban  66435
[10:42] <ikonia> @clearban  68253
 why tell me to use the botnet?
[13:16] <k1l> no knowledge and so all the bad linux and big companies are to blame
[13:17] <bazhang> yeah
[13:17] <bazhang> dylan____ wanted you earlier
[13:17] <bazhang> we said no to the unban
[14:00] <k1l> yes, saw that in the backlog and he idled in here. if one can get him to not make drama and actually read what people answer him, than he can be unbanned, imho
[18:20] <phunyguy> hi ilhami how can we help you?
[18:20] <ilhami> waiting to get unbanned. :)
[18:21] <phunyguy> ilhami: and, where are you banned, what was the reason?
[18:21] <ilhami> in #ubuntu
[18:21] <phunyguy> Let me check it out.
[18:22] <ilhami> the reason was that someone brought a personal matter to the channel and I pointed that out and then k1l got mad and banned me.
[18:22] <ilhami> and then he also banned me in #ubuntu-touch for no reason.
[18:22] <phunyguy> Seems to me you have quite the history...
[18:23] <ilhami> me and ikonia are getting along better now than earlier
[18:23] <ilhami> :D
[18:24] <phunyguy> Bear with me, still looking at some things.
[18:25] <phunyguy> 😞
[18:26] <phunyguy> ilhami: not looking good, friend... I think you may have burned this bridge.
[18:29] <ilhami> what is not looking good?
[18:29] <phunyguy> ilhami: the ban will not be removed at this time.
[18:30] <phunyguy> The type of behavior you insist on displaying in the channel is simply not welcome.,
[18:30] <phunyguy> and since the history of it goes back to 2013, I cannot justify a removal.
[18:32] <phunyguy> So, if there is nothing else we can help you with, please /part the channel now.  Thank you.
[18:33] <ilhami> phunyguy, so tell me what I did wrong by pointing out personal matters should be taken in this channel.. it says in the topic clearly.
[18:34] <ilhami> history is history. That's in the past.
[18:36] <phunyguy> Well for one, lecturing ops in the channel about acceptable behavior.
[18:37] <ilhami> but I told what was in the topic.. shouldn't the OPs be the first ones to stick to what it says in the topic?
[18:37] <ilhami> shouldn't they be the "good" examples?
[18:38] <phunyguy> 2016-01-01T22:30:43 <ilhami> OerHeks, I just told you the truth.. Live with it
[18:38] <phunyguy> 2016-01-01T22:32:05 <ilhami> slidinghorn, tbh I don't care who is an OP or not.. I am telling what is clearly stated in the topic. Personal matters should not be discussed in here..  "PM spam? Report in #ubuntu-ops and consider umode +R"
[18:39] <phunyguy> still trying to find the personal matters you are referring to.
[18:39] <ilhami> eeh it was someone mentioning something about he got a PM
[18:39] <phunyguy> It appears to me that you just want to be loud and berate other users.
[18:39] <ilhami> look up
[18:39] <ilhami> no
[18:39] <phunyguy> ...which is not welcome.
[18:39] <ilhami> He said he got a PM from a user in the channel... PMs are none of the official channels issue.
[18:41] <phunyguy> Ok, there are a few things in play here.  1.) You have a history.  That shortens the leash.  2.) It is not up to you to enforce topic items.  That is what the chanops are for.
[18:42] <ilhami> But if you set a topic you should follow it. Otherwise you should edit it.
[18:42] <phunyguy> Probably not a good idea to step on toes.  But this changes nothing.  The ban will stay, and the discussion about it is really over.
[18:42] <ilhami> can the police do whatever they want? they don't have to abide by the law?
[18:42] <ilhami> yes or no?
[18:44] <phunyguy> Wait, you are getting upset at k1l removing a PM spammer?  Is that all?  Yeah you don't need to question that.  An operator is doing his job in the channel.  It is not up to you to lecture him on it.
[18:45] <phunyguy> so like I said, that behavior is not allowed.  This is not up for discussion.  Please /part the channel now before it turns back into a ban.
[18:46] <ilhami> phunyguy, I am getting upset that it should be discussed in the public channel.
[18:47] <ilhami> and that I can be banned because of pointing this out.
[18:47] <phunyguy> ilhami: letme put it a different way.  Spamming users in PM is also against channel guidelines.  An operator banning that user is not "complaining about it in a public channel".  It is dealing with a problem user.
[18:49] <phunyguy> You really should find something more constructive to get upset about.
[18:49] <ilhami> The user should have either PMed the OP or joined this channel. Do we agree?
[18:49] <ilhami> It is disruptive that it was mentioned in the public channel.
[18:49] <phunyguy> who complained in the channel besides you?
[18:50] <phunyguy> I don't have history that far back.
[18:50] <ilhami> I complained about the user(not the OP) and then people were all over me.
[18:50] <phunyguy> Do you also agree that you bringing it up in a public channel is ALSO disruptive?
[18:51] <ilhami> I was only mentioning it as a principle. :)
[18:51] <phunyguy> disruptive.
[18:51] <ilhami> lol
[18:51] <ilhami> so are you unbanning me?
[18:51] <phunyguy> No, not at this time, sorry.
[18:51] <ilhami> Oh ok.. I will take this with ikonia.
[18:52] <phunyguy> Ok, please part the channel now.
[20:01] <JanC> someone is spamming everybody in #ubuntu in PM using changing nicknames but always from 45.32.66.52
[20:01] <JanC> ah, I see they got K-lined already  :)
[20:03] <Dylan____> Hi
[21:21] <k1l> Dylan____: hi
[22:15] <Dylan____> Whats up
[22:17] <Dylan____> Can you unban me k1l?
[22:19] <k1l> Dylan____: do you understand now what lead to that ban?
[22:20] <k1l> because "2016-01-02:02:34:28<       Dylan____ > And im pretty annoyed how i wasnt answered by anyone ofer there"  is not what actually happend there.
[22:22] <Dylan____> Yes
[22:22] <Dylan____> I understand
[22:24] <k1l> there were several supporters trying to help you and it looked like you didnt even read the answers but were busy telling everyone how you are not a beginner and trying to tell them what they should do or not to do.
[22:24] <Dylan____> No because i didnt know what you were talking abou
[22:24] <Dylan____> And at the same time i couldnt reply cause i was busy
[22:25] <k1l> that is not really helping  if you ask for support then. to keep the channel not been busy with that sort of drama i set the ban to let things cool down.
[22:25] <Dylan____> Right
[22:25] <Dylan____> Well tell me how long does this last
[22:25] <Dylan____> ??
[22:25] <k1l> because there are a lot of users who need that channel for support and that drama is just unfair to them.
[22:26] <k1l> Dylan____: so if you can make sure you keep focused on the support and read the answers you receive so its not ending in drama again, i can unban you.
[22:28] <Dylan____> Ok
[22:28] <Dylan____> Im sorry about yestaday i was just really worked up
[22:31] <k1l> Dylan____: ok, i will remove the ban now. please make sure to focus on the support and help others to help you since they are all volunteers.
[22:32] <Dylan____> Ok will do thanks
[22:32] <k1l> ok, the ban is removed. please make sure you re-read the guidelines and help keep #ubuntu a good place to solve ubuntu issues. thanks
[22:39] <k1l> Dylan____: if that is all please exit that channel. you are free to come back to talk to the team if you have another issue
[22:39] <Dylan____> Ok
[22:39] <k1l> rww: *!*@tor.piratenpartei-nrw.de was used 1month ago. so you still can connect with tor to freenode
[22:40] <rww> only when freenode's dnsbl has a hiccup, which is very very rarely last i checked
[22:42] <rww> (and if it happens again, they'll likely be using a different exit node anyway, considering how many of them there are)
[22:43] <rww> (for anyone else curious, there are currently about 1000 tor exit nodes)
[22:44] <k1l> so i guess dnsbl was not running on the begin of december. since there were 3 trolls using tor.
[22:45] <rww> third one being *!*@tor-exit4-readme.dfri.se ?
[22:46] <rww> but yeah, looks like it went down indeed
[22:46] <k1l> yep
[22:46] <rww> oh well, it's freenode, i'm happy with two-nines reliability :3
[23:00] <elky> that's fortunate.
[23:08] <valorie> happy 2016, ops!
[23:08] <k1l> thanks, happy new year to you, too.
[23:09] <valorie> so far, so good