[19:40] <pleia2> knome: we have a server now
[20:47] <knome> cool!
[21:15] <Unit193> knome: Get us the wiki!
[21:15] <Unit193> knome: And going with a Debian server? :---D
[21:15] <knome> Unit193, everything in time
[21:16] <knome> looks like pleia2 set up ubuntu 15.10
[21:16] <Unit193> Interesting.
[21:16] <knome> complaints etc to her inbox, plz
[21:16] <knome> :P
[21:17] <Unit193> Nono, we don't like harassing her, she's too busy for that.  All go to you!
[21:18] <knome> my complaints department for server OS related issues is closed temporarily.
[22:18] <pleia2> I'll go to 16.04 and leave it there until the next LTS
[22:19] <pleia2> Debian is always twmpting though, I run it everywhere else
[22:21] <Unit193> I guessed as much, tbh.  And yeah it is pretty tempting.  I think that's wise to do .10 since you won't have to jump init systems honestly.
[22:28] <pleia2> I am wise \o/
[22:28] <bluesabre> indeed!
[22:28] <knome> yes
[22:45] <flocculant> pleia2: \o/
[23:26] <amjjawad> Hi knome :) happy new year :)
[23:26] <knome> to you too
[23:26] <amjjawad> Thanks
[23:26] <knome> so, what's the question?
[23:27] <amjjawad> ubuntugnome.org is hosted with Canonical AFAIK. I can't even update WordPress, nor install any plug-in nor do anything whatsoever.
[23:27] <amjjawad> I can only create pages and add posts, that's all.
[23:27] <knome> you can send requests via rt.ubuntu.com
[23:27] <knome> that's how canonical-hosted sites work
[23:27] <amjjawad> For Xubuntu, do you guys host with them too?
[23:27] <knome> yes
[23:28] <amjjawad> website + ISOs too?
[23:28] <knome> yes
[23:29] <amjjawad> From your own experience, do you think it's a bad idea to host somewhere else? should we stick with them?
[23:29] <knome> there are benefits with both ways
[23:29] <knome> when you host with canonical, and have figured out a stable environment, you don't have to deal with the maintaining overhead yourself
[23:30] <knome> and by stable environment i mean you know which theme/plugins you want to use
[23:30] <amjjawad> True. We're planning to replace the current website with a better designed one. However, due to limited access, we're unable to do that and I was wondering how to do it but now, you told I need to contact rt.ubuntu.com
[23:31] <knome> rt.ubuntu.com is where you can request canonical to update the website files with new ones
[23:31] <amjjawad> Someone mentioned they're so slow :( not sure if that's true.
[23:32] <amjjawad> I guess one way to find out is to actually send and see.
[23:32] <knome> as i said, once you have figured out a stable environment, it's ok
[23:32] <amjjawad> Yes
[23:32] <knome> our requests for theme updates are *usually* responded to within 1-2 days
[23:32] <knome> anyway, i would strongly suggest, regardless how you build the theme, to maintain it in a bzr (or any other) repository so you can ask the canonical IS to update to a certain revision
[23:33] <knome> this also enables them to see a diff between the version you are running now and the version you are requesting
[23:33] <knome> this is important because all changes more or less go through code review to make sure it's safe
[23:34] <amjjawad> Indeed.
[23:34] <amjjawad> Can I share this with my team?
[23:35] <knome> this is a public channel - of course
[23:35] <amjjawad> I know, just thought to double check :)
[23:36] <amjjawad> Many thanks. If that will work for us, we're sticking with them. If not, I have a decent web hosting service (a friend) and he has been a great help and just given me some discount for non-profit projects. We will see which option is best for us.
[23:37] <knome> good luck
[23:37] <amjjawad> To be honest, I love the design of Xubuntu. I wish I could build something similar.
[23:38] <amjjawad> Thank you knome appreciate your time :)
[23:38] <knome> np
[23:38] <knome> and thanks for the compliments
[23:41] <amjjawad> You welcome :D
[23:41] <amjjawad> is it possible to use something similar? to your theme? or that's not possible?
[23:41] <knome> of course it's possible to use something similar
[23:43] <amjjawad> hmm, but how? :( 
[23:44] <knome> ok, few things
[23:44] <knome> 1) our theme is in a repository here: https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/theme
[23:44] <knome> feel free to look at it and build your theme around it
[23:44] <knome> however,
[23:45] <knome> 2) the theme does not have a license yet, so without further notice, it's copyright are with me
[23:45] <knome> that said, i'm fine with you using this theme to build off your theme, as long as you make it substantially different so the ubuntu gnome website doesn't look like the xubuntu website to avoid confusion
[23:46] <knome> once i've seen your modifications, i will either approve them if they make the sites different enough (and aren't a disservice for the theme) or disapprove them (until the theme is modified to a point where i can approve it)
[23:48] <amjjawad> 100% fine by me. What if I want to use 'similar' theme for my own websites? with applying the same steps above of course. Is that still possible?
[23:48] <knome> i would have to think twice about that, but at least the above would apply.
[23:49] <knome> i think it's beneficial for xubuntu (etc) to have a distinct website theme from others
[23:49] <knome> so i'm not sure if i'd generally like the idea of people using a similar theme for their personal websites
[23:49] <amjjawad> Don't get me wrong, I'd surely do something different. Just the general layout or concept might be a bit similar.
[23:50] <amjjawad> Okay, forget about the personal websites then ;)
[23:50] <knome> if you look around, you can see that ubuntu.com is really similar - because the xubuntu website is inspired by that
[23:50] <amjjawad> let's stick to Ubuntu GNOME to reduce confusion.
[23:50] <amjjawad> To be, Xubuntu's website is much easier than Ubuntu's website.
[23:50] <amjjawad> to me*
[23:50] <knome> the differences i'm thinking about should be about the same level as with xubuntu/ubuntu
[23:51] <knome> for example, just changing some colors and the header image wouldn't do it, i'm afraid
[23:51] <amjjawad> I know, that won't be different for sure.
[23:52] <amjjawad> Don't worry, since I'm not a coder, I won't be involved so chances to have similar website are low. However, I'll share this with my team so whoever will do the coding, if and only if he/she likes to modify the code, the rules above should apply.
[23:53] <amjjawad> It's just like graping Ubuntu's Kernel and come up with something else. Same what we did with my other project, ToriOS
[23:53] <knome> as long as it's approved by me, i'm fine with whoever works with the changes.
[23:53] <amjjawad> https://launchpad.net/~torios
[23:53] <amjjawad> I'll make sure to highlight that when I share this chat with the team.
[23:53] <knome> thanks
[23:54] <knome> pleia2, i found something... for some reason, the new server isn't picking up the bugs blueprint