[00:14] <clivejo> yofel: ah, thats why the script falled down the hole
[00:15] <clivejo> spectacle-15.12.0.tar.xz must be new?
[00:15] <yofel> it is new
[00:16] <clivejo> git threw an error that it didnt exist and the script took a hissy fit and feel over!
[00:17] <clivejo> are you about tomorrow?
[00:20] <yofel> probably sometime
[00:20] <clivejo> would you teach me how to make a new git archive for it?
[00:21] <yofel> if I remember, sure..
[00:21] <yofel> what is spectacle?
[00:21]  * clivejo shrugs
[00:21] <clivejo> a pair of glasses?
[00:21] <yofel> might be relevant in case it's split off from something existing
[00:21] <yofel> hehe
[00:22] <yofel> xeyes for wayland? :P
[00:22] <clivejo> spooky
[00:23] <clivejo> have you started a wayland session yet?
[00:24] <yofel> not a native one
[00:25] <clivejo> kdepim is having trouble being stuffed into the packaging due to fuzz in kubuntu_debianize_akregator_default.diff
[00:26] <valorie> spectacle is replacing kscreenshot or whatever it was called
[00:26] <yofel> aaaaah, ksnapshot
[00:26]  * clivejo looks puzzled
[00:26] <valorie> exactly
[00:26] <clivejo> who thinks of these names!
[00:27]  * yofel will agree here
[00:27] <valorie> the devel was trying to get it ready for wayland, and said screw it, I'm starting over (mostly)
[00:27] <yofel> ksnapshot was self-explenatory, spectacle not really..
[00:27] <valorie> there was a huge bikeshed over the name
[00:28] <valorie> snapshot was taken, nobody wanted a "k" name
[00:28] <valorie> etc etc.
[00:28] <yofel> why rename at all..
[00:30] <valorie> because the old one had to remain in the repos for those still using KDE4 I guess
[00:30] <valorie> I lost track when it got complicated
[00:30] <valorie> nice, it's 4:30pm and not dark yet
[00:31] <valorie> ok, more laundry to take care of, then dinner, than my dad....
[00:31] <valorie> see y'all laterz
[00:33] <clivejo> all the best valorie
[00:37] <clivejo> good night all
[05:41] <valorie> weeeee!
[07:40] <bshah> hmmm c69dc885 in kwin packaging breaks armhf build..
[10:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:35] <clivejo> kci is doing well :)
[10:35] <bshah> btw, bshah | hmmm c69dc885 in kwin packaging breaks armhf build.. 
[10:36] <bshah> 07:25:54 dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libkwinglutils.so.7 needed by debian/kwin-common/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libkwin.so.5.5.90 (ELF format: 'elf32-littlearm-hfabi'; RPATH: '')
[10:38] <bshah> (kubuntu_unstable branch)
[10:40] <bshah> clivejo: since it is your commit.. ^ any idea?
[11:01] <bshah> clivejo: can I add armhf in the architectures to build libkwinglutils? is there any reason armhf was removed from there?
[11:05] <soee> hiho
[11:22] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBPGjlP6Wd8
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:08] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hey soee
[12:15] <bshah> okay I assume that change to kwin packaging was bad merge
[12:15] <bshah> changing it to Architecture: any fixes it
[12:16] <soee> bshah: could you please take a screenshot of task manager and upload somewhere ? i would like to compare iy what i have in 5.2.2 here on Kubuntu
[12:17] <soee> *whole panel would be nice
[12:17] <bshah> soee: note: I am not on plasma 5.5 but 5.4
[12:17] <bshah> it is kind of very old git revision
[12:18] <soee> ah, ok :-)
[12:18] <bshah> so you want screenshot still?
[12:18] <bshah> ;)
[12:19] <soee> nah, i just wonder if this highlights and and stroke on each task manger element was introduced in 5.5 or it is some bug for me here as we have not yet fully packaged Plasma 5.5.2
[12:31] <mparillo> Is task manager the same as System Activity?
[12:35] <soee> mparillo: ?
[12:36] <soee> Task Manager is the one that shows icons for running apps
[12:36] <soee> the one you have by default on your panel
[12:36] <mparillo> Regarding the screen shot request. When I do a ctrl esc I get a list of running tasks. Ahh the panel showing open windows?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  the task manager shows the applications in use in the panel
[12:45] <mparillo> And System Activity (Ctrl Esc) is more like a graphical top?
[12:49] <mparillo> This is what it looks like on Plasma 5.5.2 for me. http://imgur.com/Um7d7bS
[12:51] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  did you use the staging plasma-ppa to install 5.5.2?
[12:55] <mparillo> No, I simply dual-booted to Manjaro
[12:59] <BluesKaj> ok mparillo I wondeed about the strange looking K launcher :-)
[13:13] <soee_> mparillo: i tested last days Manjaro and KaOS and Kubuntu is much better :D
[13:24] <BluesKaj> I tried plasma 5.5.2 from the staging plasma-ppa, but it crashed the fesktop several times even after a broken dependency workaround, so I just ppa-purged it 
[13:25] <BluesKaj> desktop
[13:25] <soee_> BluesKaj: true, Plasma crashes and restarts also when checking updates
[13:25] <BluesKaj> definitely not ready yet
[13:25] <mparillo> I never tried KaOS, and I agree. I distrohop, and I have tried the Fedora, OpenSUSE, and Debian spins, and Kubuntu is much better. Netrunner is kinda wierd, and if I wanted to stay on Plasma 4, I prefer 14.04 to Linux Mint. Still, I wanted to try Plasma 5.5.2
[13:26] <soee_> BluesKaj: but the problems are because of our packaging isn't finishes yet
[13:27] <soee_> there are some problems with effects, task manager highlights etc. 
[13:28] <soee_> also systray icons get some changes - some have a bit different style than other
[13:28] <BluesKaj> yes i tried fedora 23 with plasma 5.5.2 , it wasn't anything special and the fedora 23 media capapbilities is very limited 
[13:29] <soee_> but ..
[13:29] <mparillo> For me, Fedora is easily the slowest of the KDE spins.
[13:30] <soee_> each of those distros have some nice features like some extended system settings, others updates manager etc.
[13:30] <soee_> if we could make a mix of all them into one product, it could be cool :D
[13:33] <BluesKaj> fedora's dnf package management system seems very solid tho, almost professional in it;s detail about what's happening during updates, upgrades, and installs etc
[13:38] <BluesKaj> no vlc in it's repos was disappointing 
[13:38] <soee_> ;o
[13:40] <BluesKaj> what distro leaves out one of best most comprehensive media players available . I don't get it
[13:44] <mparillo> My guess: Patent fears.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> for an open source player ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> perhaps a dispute with redhat's entrerprise activities
[13:48] <mparillo> I believe the player supports patent-encumbered codecs.
[13:53] <soee_> btw. this tusday Plasma 5.5.3 should be released
[13:55] <BluesKaj> well , whatever the problem is I won't be usin a distro without the kind of media settings I need for my HTPC which also happens to be my testing pc.
[13:55] <BluesKaj> soee_:  yeah, but for which distros ?
[14:00] <soee_> for all :) 
[14:05] <BluesKaj> I miss my old compaq/HP pc, but the mobo died. I tried resurrecting it without much luck, but it'll be 10yrs old in a couple of months
[14:06] <BluesKaj> it used to be my test platform, so to speak
[14:30] <clivejo> bshah: Are you sure it was my commit?
[14:31] <bshah> commit c69dc885329b0cd2b1434d7416e9130da3880d6e
[14:31] <bshah> Author: Clive Johnston <clivejo@aol.com>
[14:31] <clivejo> whats the package name please?
[14:31] <bshah> kwin
[14:32] <bshah> but it seems that was older commit, git history did some crazy thing
[14:32] <clivejo> oh that package
[14:32] <clivejo> this package was a problem one
[14:33] <bshah> I've corrected it to Architecture: any currently and builds fine on armhf currently
[14:33] <clivejo> bshah: is that one of your versions in the archive?
[14:33] <bshah> hmm?
[14:34] <clivejo> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/k/kwin/kwin_5.4.3-0ubuntu4/changelog
[14:34] <bshah> didn't get what you mean?
[14:35] <clivejo> basically two ubuntu devs uploaded two versions to the archive, and sgclark made some changes in the debian git
[14:35] <clivejo> I had trouble merging the two
[14:35] <bshah> yep.. and then reverting merge commit went horribly wrong
[14:36] <bshah> (it seems)
[14:36] <clivejo> well firstly I just took what was in the archive as that is the important bit
[14:36] <clivejo> but that overwrote the work sgclark had done
[14:37] <clivejo> so I had to try and merge them as best as I could
[14:37] <clivejo> fancy helping me fix it?
[14:37] <bshah> so I guess my last change to kubuntu_unstable is fine now?
[14:37] <bshah> it fixed build for me
[14:38] <clivejo> I dont think I touched unstable
[14:38] <bshah> see : http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/job/vivid_unstable_plasma_kwin_bin_armhf/ build #8 vs #9
[14:38] <clivejo> I was trying to get the kubuntu_xenial_archive synced 
[14:38] <clivejo> maybe KCI merged the two and fell over?
[14:39] <bshah> seems so..
[14:39] <bshah> (I've no idea how kci functions)
[14:39] <clivejo> then we need to fix unstable
[14:40] <bshah> I guess in currently unstable is working and in good state
[14:40] <bshah> versions and/or packaging seems to be good
[14:41] <clivejo> Im a bit confused as to what sgclark was doing
[14:41] <clivejo> is it libkwinglutils6 or libkwinglutils7?
[14:42] <clivejo> she seems to have decremented it back to 6 after the debian merge
[14:42] <bshah> it is libkwinglutils7
[14:46] <clivejo> bshah: do you know where the .mo files are supported to go?
[14:47] <bshah> clivejo: they are translations, so I -i10n package?
[14:47] <clivejo> thats what I thought
[14:49] <clivejo> I guess they should go into not-installed for now?
[14:50] <bshah> no clue, sorry
[15:15] <clivejo> !info spectacle
[15:17] <clivejo> we have a name clash with http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.12.0/src/spectacle-15.12.0.tar.xz
[15:19] <bshah> oo ops
[15:20] <clivejo> speKtaKle?
[15:45] <mparillo> clivejo: I like it.
[16:42] <saigkill> Hello team. I asked on the list, if you need a new helper for packagig or testing. Valerie proposed me to access that channel and ask there. Maybe anyone like to introduce me, if help is needed?
[16:44] <BluesKaj> saigkill:  looks like you already introduced yourself, but today seems like a slow day here so perhaps when more devs are here and active would be another good time to as well
[16:44] <saigkill> Sounds good :-)
[23:10] <valorie> saigkill: good to see you here
[23:15]  * clivejo waves at valorie
[23:16] <valorie> o/
[23:16] <valorie> it was snowing here earlier
[23:16] <valorie> lovely while it lasted
[23:16] <clivejo> cold?
[23:17] <valorie> not cold enough to stick around
[23:17] <valorie> i talked to ovidiu-florin via telegram as I was going to bed
[23:17] <clivejo> how is he?
[23:17] <valorie> the funeral is over and he's getting lots of hugs, so recovering
[23:18] <valorie> he said he'll be back soon
[23:18] <clivejo> he in a different place?
[23:18] <valorie> I don't think so
[23:18] <valorie> maybe was at his family home?
[23:18] <valorie> not sure
[23:19] <yofel> good to hear from him at least.
[23:19] <valorie> yes
[23:20] <clivejo> cd klickety
[23:21]  * clivejo growls
[23:21] <yofel> ^^
[23:21] <valorie> lol
[23:22] <clivejo> dont laugh at me!
[23:23] <clivejo> yofel: autotest is failing in step, build log extract is here --> https://paste.kde.org/pye4map2r
[23:23] <clivejo> how do we fix that?
[23:24] <yofel> urgh, that looks like something Mirv_ was fixing somewhere a while ago I think?
[23:25] <clivejo> is there a patch, or do upstream have to sort it?
[23:25] <yofel> we probably have a patch, once we remember where it is..
[23:25] <yofel> I remember seeing that in the build failures for landing qt5.5
[23:26] <yofel> should eventually be fixed upstream though
[23:26] <clivejo> should we just disable autotests for the time being?
[23:27] <clivejo> or is it fine to leave as it is?
[23:27] <valorie> or better, who do we ask about the patch?
[23:32] <yofel> looks like marble has the patch I remembered
[23:32] <yofel> looks like there they simply changed the double comparison to int
[23:34] <clivejo> is it a floating point number?
[23:36] <yofel> well yes, your test failure is a rounding error in a float comparison
[23:36] <yofel> I wonder what changed in qt5.5 that's causing these though
[23:41] <yofel> FWIW, the patch is part of 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu3 in xenial, but not in git
[23:41] <yofel> (marble)
[23:47] <clivejo> !info spectacle
[23:48] <clivejo> yofel: we have a naming conflict
[23:48] <yofel> I read it yesterday
[23:49] <yofel> can't really decide what to rename it to though :/
[23:49] <yofel> maybe kspectacle just to be evil
[23:49] <clivejo> debian guys are talking about renaming the current one
[23:49] <clivejo> to spectacle-rpm
[23:50] <yofel> that would certainly be better
[23:50] <yofel> but I thought they really hated to do that because it messes up the dak and debian BTS history?
[23:51] <clivejo> or we could call it speKtaKle ?
[23:51] <clivejo> just to really confuse people
[23:51] <yofel> that's a good one as well
[23:51] <clivejo> or get upstream to stay with ksnapshot
[23:52] <clivejo> which is a good name
[23:55] <valorie> ksnapshot is unmaintained
[23:55] <valorie> oddly enough, the name collision was pointed out in the massive bikeshedding over the name
[23:56] <valorie> perhaps missed in the thunderous noise
[23:56] <yofel> thinking about it, I wonder what fedora did
[23:56] <clivejo> yofel: Im looking at the patches in marble
[23:57] <clivejo> there is one kubuntu_disable-MarbleRunnerManagerTest.diff
[23:57] <clivejo> is that how to do it?
[23:57] <yofel> I mean Fix_a_failed_test_in_TestGeoDataWriter.patch
[23:57] <clivejo> I dont see that one
[23:57] <yofel> also check if upstream git already has a fix
[23:57] <yofel> [00:41:44] <yofel> FWIW, the patch is part of 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu3 in xenial, but not in git
[23:58] <clivejo> Im looking in the archive version
[23:58] <yofel> what exact version?
[23:58] <clivejo> oh wait, thats wily
[23:59] <yofel> ^^