[03:16] <diddledan> ebening
[03:18] <diddledan> time for some pillocks methinks
[03:18] <diddledan> yey for medications
[03:35]  * diddledan medicates and meditates
[06:51] <mapps> grmpf pc restarted
[09:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:05] <diplo> Morning all
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:08] <popey> Morning!
[09:09]  * popey notes all ubuntu channels suddenly have people in again :)
[09:10] <diplo> heh, I rebooted my VPS a few days ago and forgot to restart irssi :P
[09:21] <diplo> willcooke: Are you about ?
[09:22] <willcooke> hi diplo, I am
[09:23] <diplo> aha, I recognised the name, funnily enough I found your blog last night
[09:23] <diplo> Looking into Home automation and after reading your blog in October it said you were following up with more :)
[09:23] <diplo> Very interested if you do :D
[09:23] <willcooke> oh cool!
[09:24] <willcooke> Yeah, I have loads of hacked up bits and bobs
[09:24] <diplo> Exactly the things I fancy doing is what you've already achieved
[09:24] <diplo> I'm going to start ordering some stuff this week to start learning/playing
[09:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, happy New Year, and happy World Braille Day! 😃
[09:24] <willcooke> Most recently I got it hooked up to Siri with homebridge https://github.com/nfarina/homebridge
[09:24] <willcooke> if you have an evil iPhone
[09:25] <diplo> Nope, but again I want all sorts of integration
[09:25] <diplo> I think you were in the Mycroft channel at one point ?
[09:25] <willcooke> diplo, so as a start I would recommend going for remote controlled power sockets - they are the cheapest, most reliable, easiest and most flexible way to enable things
[09:26] <willcooke> Something like:  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maplin-5-Pack-Standby-Saving-Wireless-Sockets-Remote-Control-N38HN-/141848320386?hash=item2106d19982:g:pmsAAOSwNSxVa2EP
[09:26] <foobarry> does sony charge for ability to play mutliplayer games?
[09:26] <foobarry> on the PS4?
[09:26] <diplo> Sounds good, and a url - you are a star :D
[09:26] <willcooke> and then you can use the rcswitch library on both Arduino and RaspPi to control them,.
[09:26] <willcooke> I'd suggest writing a script to let you switch on and off sockets, then web-enable that with a simple REST API
[09:27] <willcooke> diplo, let me know if you have questions, happy to help
[09:27] <diplo> Yeah, defo will try that, little flask app or something sounds good, just installed https://home-assistant.io/
[09:28] <willcooke> ooh - I haven't see that project before, I will check it out
[09:28] <diplo> Will do thanks, do you use any of the Zigbee/Z-Wave kit? Didn't see anything on your site so far, seems you're using RF freq's instead
[09:29] <willcooke> I found them to be quite expensive
[09:29] <willcooke> for what they are
[09:30] <diplo> yeah, after my initial investigation I was the same, I guess that's why I was interested in your ideas :)
[09:30] <willcooke> but if you want to transmit data between two home-brew devices check out the NRF24 modules
[09:30] <diplo> Also looked at making some of my own kit, rather than buying pre bought stuff
[09:30] <willcooke> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1pc-NRF24L01-Antenna-Wireless-Transceiver-Module-SPI-For-Arduino-100M-/151930914258?hash=item235fc9c5d2:g:tfkAAOSwUdlWgTjl
[09:30]  * diplo opens a google doc for all this great info :)
[09:31] <diplo> Nice and cheap!
[09:31] <willcooke> If you're planning on building some sensors I'd suggest the Pro Mini Arduino clones.. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pro-Mini-atmega328-Board-5V-16M-Arduino-Compatible-Nano-NEW-/181894982202?hash=item2a59c92a3a:g:nc4AAOSw3ydVvjim
[09:31] <diplo> I think I'm going to order a few bits in and experiment first
[09:32] <diplo> My ultimate goal for this was to make a thermostat and control my boiler remotely
[09:32] <diplo> But I want to start small and build up
[09:32] <diplo> andylockran has been doing something similar
[09:32] <willcooke> Typical UK boiler-thermostat set ups are pretty easy really.  It's just a couple of mains voltage switches
[09:33] <willcooke> so relays are ideal
[09:33] <willcooke> and can be easily controlled from a pi/arduino
[09:33] <diplo> yeah that's the part I'm totally lost in, was reading a few sites last night that gave me some ideas though
[09:34] <diplo> If I put together some info and how I expect to do it and stick it in a doc or something would you mind having a look over, want to work it out myself but would like an appraising eye if at all possible :) don't want to break things :P
[09:34] <willcooke> sure thing, no problem.  Just remember, mains voltage, dangerous, etc etc
[09:35] <willcooke> so, I dunno, you might want to wear some welly boots or something
[09:35] <diplo> heheh work for an Electrical Wholesaler, I get that a lot here :D
[09:35] <willcooke> ahhh, perfect
[09:35] <diplo> Unfortunately no electronics stuff, so ebay/amazon et all for me :/
[09:36] <willcooke> I think if I were to implement my heating controller again I wouldn't use a Pi.  It's overkill.  An ESP8266 and a dual-relay board would be sufficient.
[09:36] <willcooke> and then do all the smarts somewhere else
[09:36] <willcooke> (maybe a Pi)
[09:36] <diplo> I was asking here a week or so ago, going to get a soldering iron, any recommendations, they seem to be all over the place in price
[09:36] <willcooke> and keep the controller as a simple on/off device
[09:36] <diplo> Ah I was looking at those yesterday
[09:37] <willcooke> @ soldering iron - you can't go wrong with Antex
[09:37] <davmor2> just a heads up aldi are doing 2 32gb micro sd card for 12.99 :)
[09:37] <diplo> OK great thank you, a wealth of knowledge!
[09:37] <willcooke> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antex-Soldering-Iron-XS25W-230V-with-PVC-Cable-and-13A-Plug-/252090847897?hash=item3ab1c91299:g:F~MAAOSwLqFV9gJe
[09:37] <diplo> ta davmor2
[09:38] <willcooke> actually, no, that iron has a *massive* tip
[09:38] <willcooke> maybe this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antex-M12-12W-Soldering-Iron-230V-Silicone-Cable-British-Plug-S17J470-/380957780265?hash=item58b2da6929:g:NJEAAOSwv0tVJ37N
[09:38] <diplo> hah that was one of my questions to someone else, not knowing which to buy
[09:39] <willcooke> 12W will be enough for home-hacking
[09:39] <willcooke> that M12 one is the one I've got
[09:39] <willcooke> I sometimes wish I had a smaller tip, but not enough to go and buy one.
[09:39] <willcooke> they're easy enough to replace
[09:40] <diplo> OK great thanks again, think I'm going to order some bits, maybe some little leds and a bread board etc, start small, little web app to test and work my up
[09:40] <willcooke> awesome!
[09:40] <willcooke> Be warned though....
[09:40] <willcooke> once you start, it's really hard to stop :)
[09:40] <diplo> Wanted a project for a long time, get bored when my kids are with their mum
[09:41] <willcooke> suddenly everything needs to be an IoT device ;)
[09:41] <diplo> hah, well it's the mycroft that made my decision as I wanted to integrate all this stuff
[09:41] <diplo> Also the NEST stuff as well, so yeah I believe my house will turn the same way :)
[09:41] <willcooke> oh yes!  I can't wait to get my hands on Mycroft
[09:42] <willcooke> Nest looks nice, and is probably a similar cost to my homebrew one, after I factor in the time I spent on it
[09:42] <diplo> Yeah, but the time doesn't count as you're enjoying yourself ?
[09:42] <willcooke> ha, good point
[09:43] <diplo> And you're totally in control as well
[09:43] <willcooke> yeah, thats the main win for me
[09:43] <diplo> I'm no tinfoil hat person, but I also rather keep my data/connections internal or self hosted if I can
[09:43] <willcooke> totally agree
[09:44] <diplo> To that point I'm moving contacts etc away from google, will still use their services just not be dependant on them
[09:44] <willcooke> oh, if you do get a 433 MHz radio receiver (note: don't buy the really cheap ones, they are garbage)
[09:44] <willcooke> then a really simple project is getting a smoke alarm hooked up
[09:44] <diplo> OK, anything else use that spectrum ( not sure if that's the right word ) IE for interference ?
[09:44] <willcooke> you can buy off the shelf (ebay - China) alarm that will hook right in
[09:44]  * diplo is ashamed, I actually don't have *ANY* in my house currently
[09:45] <diplo> Well I have two in boxes that have never been setup
[09:45] <willcooke> it's a free for all spectrum, so it's very noisy, but the signals don't propagate a very long way
[09:45] <willcooke> so you'll be ok
[09:45] <diplo> ah ok, like that zigbee etc
[09:45] <willcooke> more or less
[09:46] <diplo> I think I'll do the LED's first, set up a controller receiver and turn on and off in different parts of the house
[09:47] <diplo> You've been a wealth of information, thanks willcooke ! Now I suppose after 2 weeks off I better actually do some work and then order all this stuff at lunchtime :)
[09:48] <willcooke> diplo, drop me an email will@whizzy.org and I'll send you some more links
[09:48] <diplo> Will do, thank you!
[09:48] <DJones> Heh, I like this, shows the police have a sense of humour http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35220682
[09:49] <diplo> Sent, did it now as I'll probably forget later
[09:50] <willcooke> cool, give me a few days to collate everything and I'll reply
[09:55] <diplo> Sure no rush, you've given me loads to start with, thanks again
[10:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: a cheeky one here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYluMAO1b7Y
[10:36] <JamesTait> davmor2, your record player is on the wrong speed. 😉
[10:36] <JamesTait> Also not sure what it has to do with Braille, but wotevs. 😝
[10:37] <davmor2> JamesTait: the line "feel your way" :)
[10:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: told you it was cheeky :)
[10:38] <JamesTait> davmor2, tenuous at best....
[10:38] <JamesTait> But it's the first day back after two weeks off, so I'll cut you some slack. 😉
[10:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:08] <bashrc> morning
[11:12] <diplo> Whilst I'm asking questions today, anyone recommend a cheap / half decent UPS for a small business, only going to need to run a small nas / router / switch and be able to alert me in some way
[11:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: I guess there is Sam Fox and Touch me or aha and the sun always shines on tv (lots of touchy's in that ;) )
[12:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:56] <bigcalm> Glad I bought an Ubuntu phone way back when, even if I didn't use it afterwards. Managed to brick my android phone last night. Ubuntu phone to the rescue!
[12:59] <bigcalm> popey: is there a way to turn off all haptic feedback? As much as I've managed to disable, there are still instances where some apps use it
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> you always need a backup phone
[13:12] <ahayzen> bigcalm, have you toggled the "Other vibrations" switch in System Settings->Sound then right at the bottom?
[13:15] <bigcalm> ahayzen: yes, which killed off a lot of vibrations. But some apps are still buzzing at me
[13:16] <ahayzen> ugh, i seem to remember reading a bug somewhere about that :-/
[13:18] <ahayzen> bigcalm, which particular places continue vibrating?
[13:20] <ahayzen> bigcalm, seems it might be bug 1433590
[13:21] <bigcalm> ahayzen: Sudoku (by Ubuntu Core App Developers), the menu icon causes a buzz
[13:22] <ahayzen> bigcalm, OK, yeah i suspect it is that bug as there was a similar bug in clock (bug 1482282) which was then marked as a duplicate to the one above
[13:23] <bigcalm> ahayzen: ah, good. Glad that it's an known issue then
[13:24] <bigcalm> Thanks
[13:26] <ahayzen> no problem, looks like that is targeted for OTA10 :-)
[13:34] <bigcalm> Is it possible to have longer than 4 digit unlock codes? :)
[13:35] <bigcalm> Amusing that the current OTA is 8.5
[13:37] <popey> yes, you can set a passphrase
[13:37] <popey> of a longer length
[13:38] <popey> I would have preferred if the OTA was called 8½
[13:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can cut each digit into quarter if you tape x's to your glasses then you have 16 bits of numbers, otherwise use a password as popey says :)
[14:24] <diddledan> gooooood moooorning vietnam!
[14:24] <diddledan> I haven't seen that in agea
[14:24] <diddledan> ages
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> robin williams classic...
[14:28] <diddledan> so I may have some work around the corner for the new year (after the nice xmas present of losing my last job :-)
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> the commute will suit so...
[14:29] <diddledan> lol
[14:29] <bigcalm> Wakka wakka
[14:29] <diddledan> not what I meant :-p
[14:29]  * zmoylan-pi pictures diddledan turning up for work in pjs, slippers clutching half finished bowl of cornflakes...
[14:29] <diddledan> haha
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> penguin slippers...
[14:30] <diddledan> "around the corner" == coming soon
[14:30] <diddledan> TUX SLIPPERS?!
[14:30] <diddledan> :-op
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.amazon.com/Pillow-Pets-Penguin-Slippers-Small/dp/B007JN8CLK%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB007JN8CLK
[14:37] <zmoylan-pi> feck it, do the commute dressed that way... guaranteed to get a seat to yourself... :-)
[14:42] <diddledan> lol. well this new job will be remote (new boss is currently in Japan, and has been travelling the past 5 years)
[14:43] <diddledan> means I can sit in my dressing-gown :-p
[14:44] <diddledan> o_O perfect.org
[14:44] <daftykins> O_O
[14:45] <diddledan> ello daftykins
[14:46] <daftykins> hi sir
[14:46] <daftykins> HNY to thee
[14:47] <diddledan> danke
[14:47] <daftykins> mmm more phone surgery calls today, got a blackberry screen to go swap
[14:47] <diddledan> yeesh
[14:48] <daftykins> it amuses me that the ebay sellers sell the screens with the official logo but have to cover it with some gunk to avoid getting in trouble
[14:57] <popey> need to get a new screen for my mx4
[14:57] <popey> annoyingly hard to get the screen off the current device
[14:58] <popey> might take it to local phone shoppe and ask them to do it
[15:02] <zmoylan-pi> get a coffee in neighbouring shop while you wait...
[15:04] <daftykins> :>
[15:04] <daftykins> i've heard of 3+ people that want iPhone 6 models sorted now, so careless these folk ;)
[15:05] <diddledan> daftykins, fix my shoot
[15:05] <zmoylan-pi> if you sit on public transport and look around you see a lot of smartphones in use with cracked screens
[15:05] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, yeah, I cringe
[15:05] <daftykins> diddledan: i was unaware your shoot was broken sir
[15:06] <diddledan> daftykins, fix everyone's shoot
[15:06] <davmor2> popey: what did you do to it
[15:06] <davmor2> popey: I'm not sure how you manage to destroy so many phones ;)
[15:07] <popey> I don't really
[15:07] <diddledan> davmor2, he doesn't destroy any higher percentage, it's just that he has so many more phones
[15:07] <popey> Expressed as a proportion of how many phones I have
[15:07] <popey> I cracked my 4s, cracked my nexus 4, and cracked my mx4
[15:07] <popey> PATTERN!
[15:07] <diddledan> 4's must be easily breakable
[15:08] <davmor2> popey: so no more 4's they're unlucky for you :)
[15:08] <popey> all just cracks, no catastrophes
[15:08] <diddledan> cat's ass trophy?
[15:09] <zmoylan-pi> some people are just careless... :-) https://www.facebook.com/1644487285840108/videos/1653632858258884/
[15:13] <daftykins> see i just find that guy stupid
[15:13] <daftykins> even though it's clearly staged :P
[15:13] <zmoylan-pi> i'm ok with that when there's pain involved... :-)
[15:14] <daftykins> still can't believe this blackberry screen was £8.50 o0
[15:15] <zmoylan-pi> some of the parts for phones are peanuts, especially if they ordered millions and the sales never happened :-)
[15:15] <daftykins> must have come from the two Ronnies grocery store
[15:15] <zmoylan-pi> fork handles?
[15:15] <daftykins> the very same
[15:15] <zmoylan-pi> i still meet people who have never seen that...
[15:16] <diddledan> that guy is a mormon
[15:16] <zmoylan-pi> they're replaced stimulating beverages with raw leccy :-)
[15:18]  * diddledan stimulates
[15:19] <diddledan> ooh, I just remembered silent witness is on tonight
[15:19] <daftykins> that's an old one right o0
[15:19]  * diddledan like that show
[15:19] <diddledan> daftykins, new episodes
[15:20] <daftykins> what a gloomy day
[15:20]  * diddledan glooms
[15:20] <diddledan> is that a verb?
[15:22] <daftykins> pass
[15:25] <SuperMatt> google suggests yes
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> yeah... but an american site checking your english...
[15:43] <SuperMatt> I kind that google tends to be quite good at finding definitions because it sources them from multiple locations
[18:09] <diddledan> wow, mains voltage just popped over 251V
[18:09] <diddledan> my UPS had to switch into voltage-regulation mode
[18:14] <zmoylan-pi> as if everyone had switched off the christmas tree at once... :-)
[18:15] <diddledan> and millions of voices all cried out
[18:16] <diddledan> and then disappeared
[18:16] <diddledan> were silenced**
[20:09] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:13] <brobostigon> evening MooDoo
[20:21] <diddledan> m00
[20:29] <popey> yo
[20:31] <diddledan> yoyo
[20:32] <diddledan> Guest84409, you broke it
[20:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/r4xai3xjfx0ennk/AACXB79DA9gow6GTJOT5TQt4a?dl=0
[20:33] <daftykins> :D
[20:33] <daftykins> one disassembled blackberry
[20:34] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dmhF1rqaZk
[20:46] <daftykins> odd, client texts to say he lost his broadband and dial tone... now it's mystically come back minutes later :D
[20:50] <andylockran> diplo - just seen your reference to me in your earlier conversation with willcooke
[20:51] <andylockran> at the moment going to work off running the third-party stuff via mqtt
[20:51] <andylockran> evening all
[21:03] <MooDoo> diddledan: bloody internet, virgin are being a bit pants lately
[21:04] <diddledan> yeah, my virgin box keeps disconnecting itself very regularly (sometimes every hour, but not predictable)
[21:04] <daftykins> if it's come in with the weather, wouldn't hurt to check your connections
[21:05] <andylockran> sky have been a bit dodgy on the ol' broadband over Xmas
[21:05] <andylockran> down about 5 hours between 24th and 3rd
[21:06] <MooDoo> it's been unbeleivable over the last few weeks, I'm hoping it's to do with all their upgrades
[21:07] <daftykins> could be
[22:27] <diddledan> no-one be sick on tuesday next week
[22:27] <diddledan> doctors are taking the day off
[22:28] <daftykins> D:
[22:28] <daftykins> but they can't!
[22:28] <dogmatic69> Damn, I already booked that day off sick.
[22:28] <diddledan> reminds of "Carry on at your convenience"
[23:01] <mapps> hewwwo
[23:02] <daftykins> o/
[23:03] <mapps> doctors always whining..but they know it long hours
[23:05] <mapps> and when they complain about pay...its just at the start the pay sucks?
[23:07] <mapps> i dislike striking.where does it end..give in then down the line..strike again
[23:07] <mapps> in any industry
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> striking is the workers way of been listened to
[23:09] <mapps> i get that, but if people give in whats to stop them doing it again
[23:09] <mapps> blackmail
[23:09] <mapps> i get its about being litened to and dont have an alternative ..but still
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> the only reason we have workers rights is because workers fought for them
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> there can and are strikes that seem selfish.  that's when the strikers lose public support.  makes the strike less successful if public are prepared to go elsewhere
[23:11] <zmoylan-pi> except of course in industries that are monopolies or closed systems like medicine
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> but doctors and nurses are treated terribly for the most part.  until they get to the later stages of their career when they have more options
[23:12] <daftykins> *nod*
[23:12] <daftykins> i have a fair few mates that are docs
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen doctors and nurses essentially hallucinating from lack of sleep. and having to have their less tired colleagues help them out
[23:15] <daftykins> mmm i wouldn't even want to conduct surgery on a smartphone whilst sleep deprived ;)
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> unless it was winphone.... :-P
[23:16] <daftykins> that's true!
[23:16] <daftykins> that'd be put down ;)
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> the red headed step child of the phone industry...
[23:16] <daftykins> XD
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a better way would be that industries like medicine or monopolies should have a non striking clause like the police but be allowed a work to rule or other partial strike methods
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> i.t. is a weird industry as it is nearly totally ununionised.  and that is why bosses can get away with treating staff like crap.
[23:25] <mapps> work time;[
[23:25] <daftykins> yay work
[23:55] <NET||abuse> oh boy, trying to fix a 15.10 nvidia/optimus laptop which i tried using bumblebee on a while ago, i've just tried moving to the nvidia-355 and primus setup in the wiki. but it's not working :(
[23:55] <NET||abuse> I get into unity but i get a no decorations session
[23:55] <daftykins> seen lots of issues with that combo
[23:55] <daftykins> try purging all bumble* nvidia* and trying nvidia-346 with nvidia-prime
[23:55] <daftykins> which it should pull in auto due to deps
[23:56] <daftykins> always double check with the guest session to rule out user config quirks too
[23:56] <NET||abuse> hmm, will try that.
[23:58] <NET||abuse> ok, guest session worked
[23:58] <NET||abuse> how can i test what drivers etc are running?
[23:59] <daftykins> /var/log/Xorg.0.log would state what was fired up on boot
[23:59] <daftykins> no idea how to run something and work out what it's using though :(