[03:16] ebening [03:18] time for some pillocks methinks [03:18] yey for medications [03:35] * diddledan medicates and meditates [06:51] grmpf pc restarted === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:01] aloha [09:05] Morning all === davmor2_ho-ho-ho is now known as davmor2 [09:07] Morning all [09:08] Morning! [09:09] * popey notes all ubuntu channels suddenly have people in again :) [09:10] heh, I rebooted my VPS a few days ago and forgot to restart irssi :P [09:21] willcooke: Are you about ? [09:22] hi diplo, I am [09:23] aha, I recognised the name, funnily enough I found your blog last night [09:23] Looking into Home automation and after reading your blog in October it said you were following up with more :) [09:23] Very interested if you do :D [09:23] oh cool! [09:24] Yeah, I have loads of hacked up bits and bobs [09:24] Exactly the things I fancy doing is what you've already achieved [09:24] I'm going to start ordering some stuff this week to start learning/playing [09:24] Good morning all; happy Monday, happy New Year, and happy World Braille Day! 😃 [09:24] Most recently I got it hooked up to Siri with homebridge https://github.com/nfarina/homebridge [09:24] if you have an evil iPhone [09:25] Nope, but again I want all sorts of integration [09:25] I think you were in the Mycroft channel at one point ? [09:25] diplo, so as a start I would recommend going for remote controlled power sockets - they are the cheapest, most reliable, easiest and most flexible way to enable things [09:26] Something like: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maplin-5-Pack-Standby-Saving-Wireless-Sockets-Remote-Control-N38HN-/141848320386?hash=item2106d19982:g:pmsAAOSwNSxVa2EP [09:26] does sony charge for ability to play mutliplayer games? [09:26] on the PS4? [09:26] Sounds good, and a url - you are a star :D [09:26] and then you can use the rcswitch library on both Arduino and RaspPi to control them,. [09:26] I'd suggest writing a script to let you switch on and off sockets, then web-enable that with a simple REST API [09:27] diplo, let me know if you have questions, happy to help [09:27] Yeah, defo will try that, little flask app or something sounds good, just installed https://home-assistant.io/ [09:28] ooh - I haven't see that project before, I will check it out [09:28] Will do thanks, do you use any of the Zigbee/Z-Wave kit? Didn't see anything on your site so far, seems you're using RF freq's instead [09:29] I found them to be quite expensive [09:29] for what they are [09:30] yeah, after my initial investigation I was the same, I guess that's why I was interested in your ideas :) [09:30] but if you want to transmit data between two home-brew devices check out the NRF24 modules [09:30] Also looked at making some of my own kit, rather than buying pre bought stuff [09:30] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1pc-NRF24L01-Antenna-Wireless-Transceiver-Module-SPI-For-Arduino-100M-/151930914258?hash=item235fc9c5d2:g:tfkAAOSwUdlWgTjl [09:30] * diplo opens a google doc for all this great info :) [09:31] Nice and cheap! [09:31] If you're planning on building some sensors I'd suggest the Pro Mini Arduino clones.. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pro-Mini-atmega328-Board-5V-16M-Arduino-Compatible-Nano-NEW-/181894982202?hash=item2a59c92a3a:g:nc4AAOSw3ydVvjim [09:31] I think I'm going to order a few bits in and experiment first [09:32] My ultimate goal for this was to make a thermostat and control my boiler remotely [09:32] But I want to start small and build up [09:32] andylockran has been doing something similar [09:32] Typical UK boiler-thermostat set ups are pretty easy really. It's just a couple of mains voltage switches [09:33] so relays are ideal [09:33] and can be easily controlled from a pi/arduino [09:33] yeah that's the part I'm totally lost in, was reading a few sites last night that gave me some ideas though [09:34] If I put together some info and how I expect to do it and stick it in a doc or something would you mind having a look over, want to work it out myself but would like an appraising eye if at all possible :) don't want to break things :P [09:34] sure thing, no problem. Just remember, mains voltage, dangerous, etc etc [09:35] so, I dunno, you might want to wear some welly boots or something [09:35] heheh work for an Electrical Wholesaler, I get that a lot here :D [09:35] ahhh, perfect [09:35] Unfortunately no electronics stuff, so ebay/amazon et all for me :/ [09:36] I think if I were to implement my heating controller again I wouldn't use a Pi. It's overkill. An ESP8266 and a dual-relay board would be sufficient. [09:36] and then do all the smarts somewhere else [09:36] (maybe a Pi) [09:36] I was asking here a week or so ago, going to get a soldering iron, any recommendations, they seem to be all over the place in price [09:36] and keep the controller as a simple on/off device === xnox_2016 is now known as xnox [09:36] Ah I was looking at those yesterday [09:37] @ soldering iron - you can't go wrong with Antex [09:37] just a heads up aldi are doing 2 32gb micro sd card for 12.99 :) [09:37] OK great thank you, a wealth of knowledge! [09:37] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antex-Soldering-Iron-XS25W-230V-with-PVC-Cable-and-13A-Plug-/252090847897?hash=item3ab1c91299:g:F~MAAOSwLqFV9gJe [09:37] ta davmor2 [09:38] actually, no, that iron has a *massive* tip [09:38] maybe this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antex-M12-12W-Soldering-Iron-230V-Silicone-Cable-British-Plug-S17J470-/380957780265?hash=item58b2da6929:g:NJEAAOSwv0tVJ37N [09:38] hah that was one of my questions to someone else, not knowing which to buy [09:39] 12W will be enough for home-hacking [09:39] that M12 one is the one I've got [09:39] I sometimes wish I had a smaller tip, but not enough to go and buy one. [09:39] they're easy enough to replace [09:40] OK great thanks again, think I'm going to order some bits, maybe some little leds and a bread board etc, start small, little web app to test and work my up [09:40] awesome! [09:40] Be warned though.... [09:40] once you start, it's really hard to stop :) [09:40] Wanted a project for a long time, get bored when my kids are with their mum [09:41] suddenly everything needs to be an IoT device ;) [09:41] hah, well it's the mycroft that made my decision as I wanted to integrate all this stuff [09:41] Also the NEST stuff as well, so yeah I believe my house will turn the same way :) [09:41] oh yes! I can't wait to get my hands on Mycroft [09:42] Nest looks nice, and is probably a similar cost to my homebrew one, after I factor in the time I spent on it [09:42] Yeah, but the time doesn't count as you're enjoying yourself ? [09:42] ha, good point [09:43] And you're totally in control as well [09:43] yeah, thats the main win for me [09:43] I'm no tinfoil hat person, but I also rather keep my data/connections internal or self hosted if I can [09:43] totally agree [09:44] To that point I'm moving contacts etc away from google, will still use their services just not be dependant on them [09:44] oh, if you do get a 433 MHz radio receiver (note: don't buy the really cheap ones, they are garbage) [09:44] then a really simple project is getting a smoke alarm hooked up [09:44] OK, anything else use that spectrum ( not sure if that's the right word ) IE for interference ? [09:44] you can buy off the shelf (ebay - China) alarm that will hook right in [09:44] * diplo is ashamed, I actually don't have *ANY* in my house currently [09:45] Well I have two in boxes that have never been setup [09:45] it's a free for all spectrum, so it's very noisy, but the signals don't propagate a very long way [09:45] so you'll be ok [09:45] ah ok, like that zigbee etc [09:45] more or less [09:46] I think I'll do the LED's first, set up a controller receiver and turn on and off in different parts of the house [09:47] You've been a wealth of information, thanks willcooke ! Now I suppose after 2 weeks off I better actually do some work and then order all this stuff at lunchtime :) [09:48] diplo, drop me an email will@whizzy.org and I'll send you some more links [09:48] Will do, thank you! [09:48] Heh, I like this, shows the police have a sense of humour http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35220682 [09:49] Sent, did it now as I'll probably forget later [09:50] cool, give me a few days to collate everything and I'll reply [09:55] Sure no rush, you've given me loads to start with, thanks again [10:26] JamesTait: a cheeky one here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYluMAO1b7Y [10:36] davmor2, your record player is on the wrong speed. 😉 [10:36] Also not sure what it has to do with Braille, but wotevs. 😝 [10:37] JamesTait: the line "feel your way" :) [10:38] JamesTait: told you it was cheeky :) [10:38] davmor2, tenuous at best.... [10:38] But it's the first day back after two weeks off, so I'll cut you some slack. 😉 [10:45] morning boys and girls. [11:08] morning [11:12] Whilst I'm asking questions today, anyone recommend a cheap / half decent UPS for a small business, only going to need to run a small nas / router / switch and be able to alert me in some way [11:31] JamesTait: I guess there is Sam Fox and Touch me or aha and the sun always shines on tv (lots of touchy's in that ;) ) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:54] Good morning peeps :) [12:56] Glad I bought an Ubuntu phone way back when, even if I didn't use it afterwards. Managed to brick my android phone last night. Ubuntu phone to the rescue! [12:59] popey: is there a way to turn off all haptic feedback? As much as I've managed to disable, there are still instances where some apps use it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:07] you always need a backup phone [13:12] bigcalm, have you toggled the "Other vibrations" switch in System Settings->Sound then right at the bottom? [13:15] ahayzen: yes, which killed off a lot of vibrations. But some apps are still buzzing at me [13:16] ugh, i seem to remember reading a bug somewhere about that :-/ [13:18] bigcalm, which particular places continue vibrating? [13:20] bigcalm, seems it might be bug 1433590 [13:20] bug 1433590 in usensord (Ubuntu) "apparmor dbus denial for org.freedesktop.Accounts and make Other vibrations work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1433590 [13:21] ahayzen: Sudoku (by Ubuntu Core App Developers), the menu icon causes a buzz [13:22] bigcalm, OK, yeah i suspect it is that bug as there was a similar bug in clock (bug 1482282) which was then marked as a duplicate to the one above [13:22] bug 1433590 in usensord (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1482282 apparmor dbus denial for org.freedesktop.Accounts and make Other vibrations work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1433590 [13:23] ahayzen: ah, good. Glad that it's an known issue then [13:24] Thanks [13:26] no problem, looks like that is targeted for OTA10 :-) [13:34] Is it possible to have longer than 4 digit unlock codes? :) [13:35] Amusing that the current OTA is 8.5 [13:37] yes, you can set a passphrase [13:37] of a longer length [13:38] I would have preferred if the OTA was called 8½ [13:52] bigcalm: you can cut each digit into quarter if you tape x's to your glasses then you have 16 bits of numbers, otherwise use a password as popey says :) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [14:24] gooooood moooorning vietnam! [14:24] I haven't seen that in agea [14:24] ages [14:25] robin williams classic... [14:28] so I may have some work around the corner for the new year (after the nice xmas present of losing my last job :-) [14:29] the commute will suit so... [14:29] lol [14:29] Wakka wakka [14:29] not what I meant :-p [14:29] * zmoylan-pi pictures diddledan turning up for work in pjs, slippers clutching half finished bowl of cornflakes... [14:29] haha [14:30] penguin slippers... [14:30] "around the corner" == coming soon [14:30] TUX SLIPPERS?! [14:30] :-op [14:30] http://www.amazon.com/Pillow-Pets-Penguin-Slippers-Small/dp/B007JN8CLK%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB007JN8CLK [14:37] feck it, do the commute dressed that way... guaranteed to get a seat to yourself... :-) [14:42] lol. well this new job will be remote (new boss is currently in Japan, and has been travelling the past 5 years) [14:43] means I can sit in my dressing-gown :-p [14:44] o_O perfect.org [14:44] O_O [14:45] ello daftykins [14:46] hi sir [14:46] HNY to thee [14:47] danke [14:47] mmm more phone surgery calls today, got a blackberry screen to go swap [14:47] yeesh [14:48] it amuses me that the ebay sellers sell the screens with the official logo but have to cover it with some gunk to avoid getting in trouble [14:57] need to get a new screen for my mx4 [14:57] annoyingly hard to get the screen off the current device [14:58] might take it to local phone shoppe and ask them to do it [15:02] get a coffee in neighbouring shop while you wait... [15:04] :> [15:04] i've heard of 3+ people that want iPhone 6 models sorted now, so careless these folk ;) [15:05] daftykins, fix my shoot [15:05] if you sit on public transport and look around you see a lot of smartphones in use with cracked screens [15:05] zmoylan-pi, yeah, I cringe [15:05] diddledan: i was unaware your shoot was broken sir [15:06] daftykins, fix everyone's shoot [15:06] popey: what did you do to it [15:06] popey: I'm not sure how you manage to destroy so many phones ;) [15:07] I don't really [15:07] davmor2, he doesn't destroy any higher percentage, it's just that he has so many more phones [15:07] Expressed as a proportion of how many phones I have [15:07] I cracked my 4s, cracked my nexus 4, and cracked my mx4 [15:07] PATTERN! [15:07] 4's must be easily breakable [15:08] popey: so no more 4's they're unlucky for you :) [15:08] all just cracks, no catastrophes [15:08] cat's ass trophy? [15:09] some people are just careless... :-) https://www.facebook.com/1644487285840108/videos/1653632858258884/ [15:13] see i just find that guy stupid [15:13] even though it's clearly staged :P [15:13] i'm ok with that when there's pain involved... :-) [15:14] still can't believe this blackberry screen was £8.50 o0 [15:15] some of the parts for phones are peanuts, especially if they ordered millions and the sales never happened :-) [15:15] must have come from the two Ronnies grocery store [15:15] fork handles? [15:15] the very same [15:15] i still meet people who have never seen that... [15:16] that guy is a mormon [15:16] they're replaced stimulating beverages with raw leccy :-) [15:18] * diddledan stimulates [15:19] ooh, I just remembered silent witness is on tonight [15:19] that's an old one right o0 [15:19] * diddledan like that show [15:19] daftykins, new episodes [15:20] what a gloomy day [15:20] * diddledan glooms [15:20] is that a verb? [15:22] pass [15:25] google suggests yes [15:27] yeah... but an american site checking your english... [15:43] I kind that google tends to be quite good at finding definitions because it sources them from multiple locations === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [18:09] wow, mains voltage just popped over 251V [18:09] my UPS had to switch into voltage-regulation mode [18:14] as if everyone had switched off the christmas tree at once... :-) [18:15] and millions of voices all cried out [18:16] and then disappeared [18:16] were silenced** === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [20:09] evening all [20:13] evening MooDoo [20:21] m00 [20:29] yo === MooDoo is now known as Guest84409 [20:31] yoyo [20:32] Guest84409, you broke it [20:33] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/r4xai3xjfx0ennk/AACXB79DA9gow6GTJOT5TQt4a?dl=0 [20:33] :D [20:33] one disassembled blackberry [20:34] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dmhF1rqaZk [20:46] odd, client texts to say he lost his broadband and dial tone... now it's mystically come back minutes later :D [20:50] diplo - just seen your reference to me in your earlier conversation with willcooke [20:51] at the moment going to work off running the third-party stuff via mqtt [20:51] evening all === Guest84409 is now known as MooDoo [21:03] diddledan: bloody internet, virgin are being a bit pants lately [21:04] yeah, my virgin box keeps disconnecting itself very regularly (sometimes every hour, but not predictable) [21:04] if it's come in with the weather, wouldn't hurt to check your connections [21:05] sky have been a bit dodgy on the ol' broadband over Xmas [21:05] down about 5 hours between 24th and 3rd [21:06] it's been unbeleivable over the last few weeks, I'm hoping it's to do with all their upgrades [21:07] could be [22:27] no-one be sick on tuesday next week [22:27] doctors are taking the day off [22:28] D: [22:28] but they can't! [22:28] Damn, I already booked that day off sick. [22:28] reminds of "Carry on at your convenience" === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:01] hewwwo [23:02] o/ [23:03] doctors always whining..but they know it long hours [23:05] and when they complain about pay...its just at the start the pay sucks? [23:07] i dislike striking.where does it end..give in then down the line..strike again [23:07] in any industry [23:08] striking is the workers way of been listened to [23:09] i get that, but if people give in whats to stop them doing it again [23:09] blackmail [23:09] i get its about being litened to and dont have an alternative ..but still [23:09] the only reason we have workers rights is because workers fought for them [23:10] there can and are strikes that seem selfish. that's when the strikers lose public support. makes the strike less successful if public are prepared to go elsewhere [23:11] except of course in industries that are monopolies or closed systems like medicine [23:12] but doctors and nurses are treated terribly for the most part. until they get to the later stages of their career when they have more options [23:12] *nod* [23:12] i have a fair few mates that are docs [23:13] i've seen doctors and nurses essentially hallucinating from lack of sleep. and having to have their less tired colleagues help them out [23:15] mmm i wouldn't even want to conduct surgery on a smartphone whilst sleep deprived ;) [23:16] unless it was winphone.... :-P [23:16] that's true! [23:16] that'd be put down ;) [23:16] the red headed step child of the phone industry... [23:16] XD [23:17] maybe a better way would be that industries like medicine or monopolies should have a non striking clause like the police but be allowed a work to rule or other partial strike methods [23:18] i.t. is a weird industry as it is nearly totally ununionised. and that is why bosses can get away with treating staff like crap. [23:25] work time;[ [23:25] yay work [23:55] oh boy, trying to fix a 15.10 nvidia/optimus laptop which i tried using bumblebee on a while ago, i've just tried moving to the nvidia-355 and primus setup in the wiki. but it's not working :( [23:55] I get into unity but i get a no decorations session [23:55] seen lots of issues with that combo [23:55] try purging all bumble* nvidia* and trying nvidia-346 with nvidia-prime [23:55] which it should pull in auto due to deps [23:56] always double check with the guest session to rule out user config quirks too [23:56] hmm, will try that. [23:58] ok, guest session worked [23:58] how can i test what drivers etc are running? [23:59] /var/log/Xorg.0.log would state what was fired up on boot [23:59] no idea how to run something and work out what it's using though :(