[06:06] <hikiko> Hello!
[06:08] <duflu> hikiko: Hello. Happy new Tuesday :)
[06:17] <hikiko> haha :)
[06:17] <hikiko> happy new Tuesday duflu :D
[06:50] <pitti> Good morning
[06:56] <didrocks> good morning
[06:59] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[07:00] <didrocks> good morning pitti !
[07:09] <alexarnaud> hello all !
[07:09] <didrocks> hey alexarnaud
[07:30] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:30] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:31] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:58] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! *hug*
[07:58] <seb128> pitti, guten tag! *hug*
[08:04] <pitti> seb128: est-ce que tu sais encore comment à travailler ? :-)
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, non, plus vraiment, c'est un peu difficile de m'y remettre ! et toi ?
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: pareil -- deux semaines sans IRC était reposant :)
[08:08] <seb128> oui, ici aussi :-)
[08:29] <larsu> good morning!
[08:30] <didrocks> good morning larsu
[08:30] <seb128> hey larsu
[08:30] <larsu> morning didrocks and seb128! Ça va?
[08:31] <seb128> larsu, oui ! et toi ?
[08:31] <larsu> good!
[08:31] <larsu> hm, no breakfast. Think I have to go shopping :/
[08:31] <larsu> but it's -8°
[08:31] <didrocks> larsu: ça va, it's still warm here
[08:32] <larsu> good for you!
[08:32] <larsu> ;)
[08:32] <larsu> ok I think I'll dare anyway. bbiab
[08:37] <seb128> good luck!
[08:45] <texou_> seb128: pitti ah mais vous parlez en fr ici? je savais pas moi :D j'aurais pu faire ca avec didrocks :D
[08:46] <didrocks> good morning texou_
[08:46] <texou_> didrocks: c'est permis donc?
[08:46] <texou_> :D
[08:46] <texou_> hello
[08:46] <didrocks> texou_: no, it's more an inside joke with some people speaking french, but we don't tend to do more than "salut, comment ça va ?"
[08:46] <texou_> ah ok
[08:46] <texou_> :D
[08:46] <texou_> I was surprised indeed
[08:47] <pitti> texou_: j'appends français depuis une année et demi, mais c'est encore mal :)
[08:47] <seb128> bonjour texou ;-)
[08:47] <pitti> texou_: "apprends"
[08:47] <texou_> pitti: oh reading what you wrote I didn't know
[08:47] <texou_> you had a good French
[08:48] <pitti> texou_: je suis allemand
[08:48] <pitti> texou_: merci :)
[08:49] <texou_> oh ok
[08:49] <pitti> texou_: français est la langue officielle d'équipe du bureau :)
[08:49] <texou_> ah ok I didnt know this  :D
[08:50] <pitti> texou_: (this is a running gag)
[08:55] <willcooke> morning all
[08:56] <willcooke> seb128, Community Council meeting is this Thursday.  I'm not here.  Can you lead it?  And we'll find someone to support you?
[08:56] <willcooke> or I can ask mhall119 to move it
[08:56] <seb128> willcooke, hey, "lead it"? what does that involve?
[08:56] <seb128> at what time is tyha
[08:56] <seb128> that
[08:57] <willcooke> lead = answer their questions
[08:57] <willcooke> see mail to Desktop mailing list.
[08:57] <willcooke> 1700 UTC
[09:01] <seb128> huum
[09:01] <seb128> should be ok if it fits in half an hour
[09:01] <willcooke> oki, understood.
[09:01] <willcooke> mhall119 when you're online let's discuss ^^
[09:02] <seb128> willcooke, mhall119, oh in fact it should be fine
[09:03] <seb128> we are utc+1 in winter, I always get confused
[09:03] <willcooke> ohh
[09:03] <willcooke> yeah
[09:03] <seb128> so it's 6pm european, which is fine
[09:03] <seb128> I though it was 7pm
[09:03] <willcooke> thanks seb128, much appreicated
[09:03] <willcooke> *appreciated
[09:03] <seb128> yw!
[09:08] <larsu> morning willcooke!
[09:08] <willcooke> Hey larsu, how goes?
[09:08] <larsu> willcooke: now that I have food and tea, much better!
[09:08] <willcooke> Thanks for the email yesterday.  Told legal not our problem :)
[09:08] <larsu> how are you?
[09:08]  * willcooke is in need to yea
[09:08] <larsu> willcooke: ya, srlsy. Wicked
[09:08] <willcooke> tea
[09:10] <Laney> hello!
[09:10] <larsu> hi Laney! How goes?
[09:11] <Laney> hey larsu!
[09:11] <Laney> it's going well thanks
[09:11] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:11] <Laney> some friends from the states came to visit and stay with us last minute
[09:12] <Laney> so did some hanging out and pub last night
[09:12] <Laney> how are you?
[09:12] <Laney> hey willcooke
[09:12] <larsu> neat!
[09:12] <larsu> I'm great, thanks. Just had to go hunt for food in the cold (but wasn't as bad as expected)
[09:13] <Laney> ooh minus degrees still
[09:13] <Laney> do you have snow?
[09:13] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:14] <didrocks> good morning Laney
[09:14] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning
[09:16] <larsu> Laney: nope. Just the cold
[09:16] <larsu> guten Tag pitti!
[09:17] <pitti> hello larsu, wie gehts?
[09:17] <larsu> gut gut
[09:17] <larsu> kalt!
[09:17] <Laney> hey seb128 didrocks and pitti!
[09:17]  * Laney is feeeeeeeeeeeeling fine
[09:59] <Laney> who knows what the autopkgtest delta in gvfs is about?
[09:59] <seb128> dunno
[09:59] <Laney> drops needs-root and adds sudo
[10:00] <pitti> Run tests through sudo starting as normal user, so that it can find a
[10:00] <pitti>       non-root user.
[10:00] <pitti> that?
[10:00] <pitti> ah, yes
[10:00] <Laney> yeah
[10:00] <andyrock> morning all
[10:00] <seb128> hey andyrock! happy new year
[10:00] <pitti> Laney: this is a bit irky indeed, I don't have a really good idea about that
[10:00] <andyrock> seb128: happy new e
[10:01] <andyrock> *year
[10:01] <pitti> Laney: tests/gvfs-testbed walks upwards its parents until it finds a non-root parent and then runs tests as that
[10:01] <pitti> Laney: but this is rather specific for sudo (which we use), and doesn't work in Debian's CI
[10:03] <Laney> pitti: they don't have a sudoable user there?
[10:03] <pitti> right
[10:04] <Laney> could that be fixed?
[10:05] <pitti> Debian recently changed to using LXC testbeds
[10:05] <pitti> but I don't have much insight into that (that's terceiro's area)
[10:05] <pitti> Laney: it might also be possible to fix gvfs-testbed itself to detect a normal user a different way
[10:05] <pitti> Laney: is that our only remaining delta now?
[10:07] <Laney> pitti: It could be just dropping libbluray-dev
[10:08] <pitti> Laney: ah, the splitting out of -goa is obsolete now?
[10:09] <Laney> yeah, we discussed that in november
[10:09] <Laney> can keep this test stuff for now though
[10:10] <Laney> but otherwise I would be okay with committing the B+R for -goa to svn
[10:11] <seb128> Laney, pitti, the conclusion to goa was that the split was obsolete then?
[10:11] <Laney> ye
[10:11] <seb128> (fine with me, when I asked I was unsure if we should move the new backend out or merge goa back in the main package)
[10:11] <seb128> cool
[10:47] <Laney> pitti: http://people.canonical.com/~laney/patch-dump/0001-adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud-Fix-typo-in-path-to-system-.patch might interest you ;-)
[10:49] <pitti> Laney: whoops, thanks! applied
[10:50] <Laney> np, thank you!
[11:40] <Laney> grr
[11:45] <Laney> me no get lightdm any more
[11:54] <Laney> it seems to be running though
[11:55] <Laney> and I typed my password and a compiz process appaeared
[11:57] <Laney> :|
[11:58] <Laney> compiz process but nothing on screen, that is
[11:58] <Laney> logs look normal to me
[12:03] <hikiko|ln> Laney, try to remove .compiz-1/
[12:03] <Laney> hey hikiko|ln
[12:04] <Laney> lightdm itself doesn't come up
[12:04] <hikiko|ln> oh
[12:04] <Laney> but accepts input...
[12:04] <Laney> driver?
[12:04] <hikiko|ln> :s
[12:04] <Laney> tried an older kernel
[12:04]  * Laney tries nvidia instead of nouveau
[12:05] <hikiko|ln> i guess if it was the driver module you would see an error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:06] <hikiko|ln> (not sure)
[12:06] <Laney> well it does load
[12:06] <hikiko> mmm
[12:11] <hikiko> usually when you install the nvidia driver you have to configure xorg too
[12:12] <hikiko> but you would see an error if you had to configure it
[12:12] <hikiko> maybe it's not xserver related at all, no idea :(
[12:13] <hikiko> oh Laney ! maybe you didn't blacklist nouveau?
[12:16] <Laney> hikiko|ln: erm! not on purpose
[12:17] <Laney> it was working earlier this morning, then I restarted to test an update and no more
[12:17] <Laney> nvidia gives me lightdm but no session :/
[12:18] <hikiko|ln> oh
[12:18] <hikiko|ln> then try the brutal:
[12:18] <Laney> Compiz (opengl) - Fatal: glXQueryExtensionsString is NULL for screen 0
[12:18] <Laney> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
[12:18] <hikiko|ln> rm .config/dconf/user (but this will start unity in default settings)
[12:18] <hikiko|ln> oh
[12:19] <hikiko|ln> you are missing nvidia-glx :)
[12:19] <hikiko|ln> and you can't create opengl context
[12:19] <Laney> ah hang on
[12:19] <Laney> nvidia didn't load
[12:19]  * Laney sucks at X stuff :)
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.944154] mtrr: no MTRR for f1000000,e00000 found
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.962364] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_del (err 0)
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.962475] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_add (err 0)
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.994371] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_del (err 0)
[12:21] <Laney> [  106.994482] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_add (err 0)
[12:21] <hikiko|ln> Laney, if you have another window manager or de like xfce you could modify .xinitrc and start the other de with startx
[12:21] <hikiko|ln> then you would know for sure if the problem is on x
[12:21] <hikiko|ln> or in lightdm
[12:21] <hikiko|ln> let me see
[12:22] <hikiko|ln> mmm Laney did you compile the nvidia driver yourself?
[12:22] <davmor2> Laney: man have you not figured this out yet??? Nvidia hates you, hate it back it works for me ;)
[12:23] <Laney> hikiko|ln: dkms did
[12:23] <hikiko|ln> then it should work
[12:23] <hikiko|ln>  Since Kernel 4.3-rc1 both symbols got removed. Nvidia has to adopt to these changes. If you want to cheat that fact you have to patch those symbols back into your kernel.
[12:23] <hikiko|ln> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/893282/304-128-and-kernel-4-3-can-compile-but-cannot-insert-it-mtrr-symbols-related-errors-/
[12:23]  * Laney tries a 4.2 kernel
[12:23] <hikiko|ln> should work then :s
[12:24] <Laney> the error was on 4.3
[12:24] <hikiko|ln> Laney, maybe you forgot the linux headers for 4.2?
[12:24] <Laney> i'm now rebooting with an older one
[12:24] <hikiko|ln> but then it wouldn't compile i guess :s
[12:25] <Laney> davmor2: bring that sledge hammer when you come round
[12:26] <Laney> ok, that works...
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> the hammer?
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> :D
[12:26] <Laney> so nvidia is broken with 4.3 and nouveau randomly died too
[12:26] <Laney> AWESOME!
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> hahaha
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> \m/
[12:26] <davmor2> hikiko|ln: the hammer always works
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> lol
[12:26]  * hikiko|ln goes for lunch break
[12:26] <hikiko|ln> bbiab
[13:26] <mhall119> willcooke: still need to discuss?
[13:27] <willcooke> mhall119, I think we're good
[13:28] <seb128> mhall119, is there any agenda for that meeting?
[13:28] <mhall119> cool, thanks
[13:28] <willcooke> mhall119, basically I won't be able to make it, but Seb can cover if it's fairly short
[13:28] <willcooke> if you have any up-front questions I can try and provide answers over email
[13:28] <willcooke> but
[13:28] <willcooke> if it's like the last one, then I think it will be straight forward
[13:28] <mhall119> seb128: no, it's usually just "How are things going, anything we can help with, what are the plans for this cycle (community wise)"
[13:28] <seb128> k, same as previous time
[13:28] <mhall119> yup
[13:28] <seb128> I'm unsure we have much to contribute
[13:28] <seb128> but let's see
[13:29] <seb128> it's basically going to be a copy/paste from the previous one
[13:30] <willcooke> yeah, what seb128 said
[13:30] <willcooke> nothing has changed really
[13:30] <Laney> actually I might have an interesting bone to throw you
[13:30]  * Laney will keep it a surprise until then :)
[13:30] <willcooke> yay
[13:30] <Laney> try not to be too excited
[13:30] <seb128> Laney, please join the meeting then
[13:31]  * seb128 bails off and appoint Laney as desktop representative ;-)
[13:31] <seb128> bails out
[13:31] <Laney> NOPE
[13:31]  * Laney sets up a script to type at the right time
[13:31] <seb128> haha
[13:39] <mhall119> seb128: willcooke: don't worry about it, it's fairly common for teams to just tell things are going well and there are no problems
[13:39] <mhall119> it's just good for us to check at least twice a year :)
[13:39] <seb128> k
[13:59] <alexarnaud> didrocks: I've passed all my configuration to GSettings, I use
[13:59] <alexarnaud>      Compiz 0.9.12.0. The window-decorator is not loaded. Do you have
[13:59] <alexarnaud>      any idea where is problem ?
[13:59] <alexarnaud> I use the plugin window-decorator, I'm on Mate 1.8
[13:59] <alexarnaud> I have activated gnome-compatibility module
[14:00] <didrocks> alexarnaud: maybe the compiz guys can help you with debugging, hikiko ^
[14:04] <hikiko> hey
[14:04] <hikiko> alexarnaud, hi
[14:04] <hikiko> let me read what's the problem
[14:05] <alexarnaud> hikiko: sorry ?
[14:05] <alexarnaud> hikiko: do you want the exact message I have ?
[14:05] <hikiko> yes please :) I was looking at the backlog
[14:10] <alexarnaud> hikiko: sorry for the late, I take another test
[14:10] <alexarnaud> *I do
[14:10] <hikiko> no worries
[14:10] <hikiko> take your time
[14:13] <alexarnaud> hikiko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14410779/
[14:14] <alexarnaud> hikiko: if you give me only one step to introspect or having more information, I would be verry happy
[14:14] <hikiko> alexarnaud, the problem is that you start compiz and it stops?
[14:15] <hikiko> libGL error: pci id for fd 11: 80ee:beef, driver (null)
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glFlushVertexArrayRangeNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glVertexArrayRangeNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glCombinerInputNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glCombinerOutputNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glCombinerParameterfNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <hikiko> OpenGL Warning: glCombinerParameterfvNV not found in mesa table
[14:15] <alexarnaud> no the problem is the gtk-window-decorator doesn't work
[14:15] <hikiko> sorry for the paste
[14:15] <hikiko> these messages make me suspect that something is wrong with the driver
[14:16] <hikiko> you have nvidia right?
[14:16] <hikiko> libGL error: core dri or dri2 extension not found
[14:16] <hikiko> libGL error: failed to load driver: vboxvideo
[14:16] <hikiko> are you in virtualbox?
[14:16] <alexarnaud> hikiko: no, I use VM and I have nouveau in Debian system
[14:16] <hikiko> yes that's probably the problem something with the virtualbox configuration
[14:16] <alexarnaud> hikiko: yes, maybe I forgot to check an option
[14:17] <hikiko> it seems that you don't use opengl
[14:17] <hikiko> I mean you don't have hardware acceleration
[14:17] <alexarnaud> OK, I'll investigate, thanks a lot!
[14:17] <hikiko> and the opengl plugin fails
[14:18] <alexarnaud> hum, it's the first time I have the issue
[14:18] <hikiko> alexarnaud, make sure you have extensions, 3d acceleration and the guest additions installed
[14:19] <hikiko> alexarnaud, you could run compiz before in vbox
[14:19] <hikiko> and now you can't?
[14:19] <hikiko> (with the same settings)
[14:19] <hikiko> ?
[14:20] <alexarnaud> hikiko: no I've recompiled compiz and re-began a VM, maybe I'm wrong in something
[14:21] <hikiko> alexarnaud, from what I see your compiz is fine the virtualbox configuration is not correct and you can't have opengl running so the opengl plugin of compiz fails and the decorator that uses it fails too
[14:22] <hikiko> or maybe virtualbox has a very small opengl implementation
[14:22] <hikiko> you could install mesa-utils
[14:23] <hikiko> and try to run glxgears
[14:23] <hikiko> to see if you have opengl or not
[14:23] <hikiko> and glxinfo
[14:23] <hikiko> glxinfo | grep -i opengl
[14:24] <alexarnaud> hikiko: I'm checking
[14:26] <alexarnaud> hikiko: I've some opengl error
[14:28] <alexarnaud> hikiko: libGL error: pci id for fd 4: 80ee:beef, driver (null)
[14:28] <alexarnaud> it seems so that the driver is off
 alexarnaud, make sure you have extensions, 3d acceleration and the guest additions installed
[14:38] <hikiko> I think it's 1 of the 3 :)
[15:27] <qengho> Oh man, I'm not ready for a meeting.
[15:28] <desrt> but the meeting is ready for you
[15:29] <willcooke> I am not ready either, just wrapping up a call
[15:29] <willcooke> lemme try and multi task
[15:29] <willcooke> (this won't end well)
[15:29] <seb128> do it the laney way, get ready while it's happening
[15:29] <seb128> :-)
[15:29]  * seb128 is learning from the masters
[15:29] <larsu> you have another minute!
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2016(!!!)-01-05
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan  5 15:30:03 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <desrt> \o/ (for attente)
[15:30] <andyrock> \o
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark (hols), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (hols), robert_ancell (hols)
[15:30] <larsu> o/
[15:30] <Laney> how DARE you!
[15:30] <FJKong> happy new year
[15:31] <happyaron> hey
[15:31] <attente> desrt: can't unsee
[15:31] <didrocks> hey hey
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <andyrock> hey guys
[15:32] <andyrock> # Trevinho's code reviews
[15:33] <andyrock> # Reviewed and proposed a patch from community, waiting for Marco +1
[15:33] <seb128> it's your opportunity to catch up while he's still on vac :-)
[15:33] <andyrock> ahahahahah
[15:33] <andyrock> # Support for startup notifications in bamf/unity/dash
[15:33] <andyrock> I'm almost done with that just need some days more
[15:34] <andyrock> # eating Italian food
[15:34] <andyrock> :)
[15:34] <andyrock> \eof
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <attente> hi all
[15:35] <attente> so from before the break:
[15:35] <attente> merge proposal for this old unfixable bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1226962
[15:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1226962 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Xenial) "Hotkeys not functional in non-latin keyboard layout" [High,Triaged]
[15:35] <attente> submitted a fix for an rhashtable bug in the kernel but my patch was superceded D:
[15:35] <attente> currently doing another iteration on those old upstream gtk patches for menu popup re-factoring
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <desrt> attente: lkml = fail.  sorry :(
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:36] <willcooke> bad luck you didnt get a patch in to the kernel
[15:36] <willcooke> that would be pretty sweet
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:37] <desrt> hi.  from before the break, managed to get the dconf release with new APIs out the door and am readying the glib changes to land this week (GSettingsBackendChangeset, and new GSettingsBackend vtable API).
[15:38] <desrt> spent yesterday mostly getting through email, back to 'real work' today
[15:38] <willcooke> :)
[15:38] <desrt> (plus a bit of travel planning, probably)
[15:38] <desrt> eof.
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:38] <dgadomski> hey
[15:38] <dgadomski> nothing in the desktop area before the break, hopefuly it'll change soon this year :)
[15:38] <willcooke> :)
[15:38] <dgadomski> thanks, happy new year everybody
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:39] <didrocks> Report for a week and half (as took late holidays)
[15:39] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:39] <didrocks> - released Ubuntu Make 15.12.1 with previously noted improvments
[15:39] <didrocks> - move Visual Studio Code from web to ide category as it now supports more than just webby stuff (keep backward compatibility)
[15:39] <didrocks> - enable setting up firefox developer edition as the default browser
[15:39] <didrocks> - tutoring and following a new contributor for some Unity3D support enhancements
[15:40] <didrocks> - refactoring tests due to jenkins CI programed death to run in autopktests environment, even the large ones. We can now run all or some tests, even having the same granularity to run only one test or test family in the testbed (using a real ubuntu-desktop install). Collecting and global coverage are also enabled as it was in jenkins, testing ppa, distro or git branch! Thanks pitti for implementing
[15:40] <didrocks> the autopkgtests side with new options! Now having all this being implemented, it just need a little bit more polish and testing.
[15:40] <didrocks> - changed build-dep and test build-deps handling to be less hackish
[15:40] <didrocks> - did multiple fixes caused by various racy code (more visible now that the testbed is slower)
[15:40] <didrocks> - be more resilient against invalid tar archive
[15:40] <didrocks> - some fakeroot and new dpkg hook related fixes in xenial
[15:40] <didrocks> - smallest changes like i18n, making some tests more robust…
[15:40] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:40] <didrocks> - unity online scopes removal: fully done, need testing on a fresh system though (and some server-side changes by the online services team)
[15:40] <didrocks> - plymouth fixes for derivatives and edge cases (only one theme configured…)
[15:40] <didrocks> - grub fix for plymouth (in debian git, waiting for the release, soon, you will have some excellent aubergine back in grub!)
[15:40] <didrocks> - helped on google code in, a lot of times spent on mentoring and tutoring, but 3 new items closed! 3 more on their way.
[15:40] <didrocks> - various AA tasks
[15:40] <didrocks> - Atom.io PR finally reviewed, did small fixes and reproposed. Still waiting on the github guys.
[15:40] <didrocks> - gave some help to the a11y community on compiz packaging for debian/knoppix. I wonder if TheMuso, as it's more his field, can give a hand to them here.
[15:40] <didrocks> .
[15:40] <pitti> didrocks: ubuntu make tests> \o/  congrats for implementing this!
[15:40] <didrocks> thanks again to you pitti for the 2 small additionals options. Were really useful! :)
[15:41] <didrocks> pitti: I'll show you the setup, can be of interest :)
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[15:41] <willcooke> I will re-install my 16.04 test machine from scratch this week to test
[15:41] <didrocks> oh nice, keep me posted!
[15:41] <happyaron> didrocks: have some rest, :)
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:41] <FJKong> hey
[15:41] <FJKong> no new bug need to fix
[15:41] <FJKong> sogou IM new feature research :user can adjust frequency candidate words
[15:41] <FJKong> sync vocabulary defined by user
[15:41] <FJKong> try Oxide a little bit
[15:41] <FJKong> eof
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:43] <happyaron> review of kylin-greeter
[15:44] <happyaron> fcitx related updates
[15:44] <happyaron> still working on opencc ABI issue
[15:44] <happyaron> EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:45] <hikiko> I fixed the problems with the texture states on unity and now the shadows have the color we set through opengl, I am doing small corrections and polishing in the branch before I submit it for review, and I am also fixing some drawing related issues I found here and there while I was implementing the effect eof
[15:45] <willcooke> \o/
[15:45] <willcooke> congrats hikiko
[15:46] <hikiko> thanks :)
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:46] <Laney> • Getting back into the groove
[15:46] <Laney> • Update gvfs in eXp + Xenial to 1.27 devel series
[15:46] <Laney> • Update agda to unstick the haskell transition
[15:46] <Laney> • Some work on the appstream-dep11 charm (add a few actions, fix some bugs) and some prodding of IS, hoping to get a deadline set on the ticket soon
[15:46] <Laney> • Arranging travel for FOSDEM (+ some cat herding) and desktop team sprint
[15:46] <Laney> • Some digging and asking to try to find out the license of the Ubuntu logos
[15:46] <Laney> • Start to work on merging gstreamer 1.7 devel series which came out over the hols, looks like the mir/hybris patch needs updating again. yesssssss
[15:46] <Laney> • cheese
[15:46] <Laney> 🧀
[15:46] <willcooke> :)
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:46] <seb128> cat?
[15:47] <Laney> cheese
[15:47]  * willcooke <- meow
[15:47] <larsu> miau
[15:47] <seb128> :-)
[15:47]  * desrt blinks
[15:47] <larsu> (German cat)
[15:47] <Laney> U+1F9C0
[15:47] <seb128> larsu, sounds similar to a french cat!
[15:47] <larsu> ubuntu font doesn't have it. doesn't exist
[15:47] <Laney> https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/🧀/
[15:47] <Laney> wtf
[15:47] <larsu> seb128: French and German cats get along *really* well
[15:48] <seb128> :-)
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:48]  * desrt can see the lovefest from across the ocean
[15:48] <Laney> the cat enabler is coming tomorrow
[15:48] <larsu> hey. Not really gotten stuff done after the holidays
[15:48] <Laney> #catupdates
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, good news!
[15:48] <larsu> some admin stuff, some catchup, some bug review
[15:48] <larsu> some cold :/
[15:48] <seb128> :-(
[15:48] <desrt> larsu: but before the break!
[15:48] <larsu> seb128: it's not too bad
[15:49] <seb128> tea and honey time!
[15:49]  * larsu nods
[15:50] <willcooke> feel better
[15:50] <willcooke> soon
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:51] <qengho> I still don't grok the shadow.
[15:54] <seb128> hellooo?
[15:54] <desrt> heh
[15:54] <willcooke> sorry, was talking in HO
[15:54] <willcooke> oh, right, qengho.. you're up
[15:54] <desrt> seb128 wins useful comment award for the meeting :)
[15:54] <seb128> :-)
[15:55] <didrocks> [insert BADGE here]
[15:55] <willcooke> hrm, qengho let's come back to you in a mo?
[15:55] <seb128> was that comment a status update?
[15:55] <seb128> +1
[15:55] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:56] <qengho> * no chromium lately! They vacationed too!
[15:56] <qengho> * handle new Cr sandbox in apparmor rules. In apparmor package, not Cr package.
[15:56] <qengho> * fixing second bug in xdg-utils. 1) desktop files, 2) mime config moved. Merging debian.
[15:56] <qengho> * making sure grub understands ZFS device names, and understands common fs features. Avoid obvious papercut problems in 16.04.
[15:56] <seb128> had good holidays, got previous year context wiped out as a side effect, trying to remember how to do this work thing
[15:56] <seb128> </current status>
[15:56] <seb128> (or said differently, still dealing with backlog from the holidays)
[15:56] <qengho> Oh, wow, I think smuxi is screwy.
[15:57] <willcooke> heh
[15:57] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:57] <willcooke> * Uploaded ALSA userspace 1.1.0 to xenial. All but alsa-lib are through proposed, alsa-lib is being held up on chromium-browser and kde-runtime test failures on armhf. These don't have anything to do with alsa-lib so far as I can tell, so not my problem. :)
[15:57] <willcooke> * PulseAudio 8.0~rc1 aka 7.99.1 is out, not sure if we will be putting pulseaudio 8 into Xenial. Anyways, testing packages available in ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/pulse-testing for xenial.
[15:57] <willcooke> * liba11y-profile-manager, aka the accessibility profile refactor lives, at least in a small degree. This will be my primary focus in the coming weeks.
[15:57] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Tested on-demand start-up and shutdown of CUPS daemon. Needs adjustmants in CUPS config and removal of respawning by Upstart.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Looked into how CI Train process works, working on preparing everything to only need one CI-Train process to get printing onto the phone.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: 1.5.0 upstream release with
[15:58] <tkamppeter>    - cups-browsed command line options for config option supply via command line and alternative config file, needed for the phone.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Packaging of 1.5.0 with Braille printing support in separate package.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Re-introduce beh (Backend Error Handler) wrapper backend (this time in C and not in Perl) as several users asked for it.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: --version command line option.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Bug fixes on Braille support and foomatic-rip.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:58] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:58] <tkamppeter> larsu, seb, no snow and cold at X-mas: http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/8150277390/photos/3350850/belvedere-district-on-the-weekend-i?inalbum=belo-horizonte
[15:59] <willcooke> O_o
[15:59] <tkamppeter> http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/8150277390/photos/3350849/belvedere-district-on-the-weekend-ii?inalbum=belo-horizonte
[15:59] <seb128> tkamppeter, no snow here either this year, but not quite the same weather as you have...
[15:59] <qengho2> Ugh. So much lag.
[15:59] <willcooke> ha
[15:59] <willcooke> #topic willcooke
[16:00] <willcooke> Travel arrangements coming together at last
[16:00] <qengho2> My client will catch up soon. I'm ready.
[16:00] <willcooke> still waiting to hear re: hackfest
[16:00] <willcooke> Please fill in that conf spreadsheet asap so I can get the ball rolling on this years confs
[16:00] <willcooke> I'll be at MWC w/c 22 Feb
[16:01] <willcooke> Chasing PK1.0 patch
[16:01] <willcooke> admin
[16:01] <tkamppeter> willcooke, do I need to enter the OpenPrinting Summit in that spreadsheet, too?
[16:01] <willcooke> tkamppeter, erm, if you could enter *next* years that would be good so I can get the approval this year and not have to wait until Jan next year
[16:02] <willcooke> #topic Any Other Business
[16:02] <willcooke> I'll be off Thursday
[16:02] <willcooke> There is a Community Council meeting in the afternoon which Seb and Laney will be at
[16:03] <seb128> thanks Laney ;-)
[16:03] <willcooke> :)
[16:03] <tkamppeter> willcooke, from when to when is FY 2016/2017?
[16:03] <willcooke> April -> April
[16:03] <willcooke> but the sooner we get our list in, the better the chance of approval
[16:04] <willcooke> oki let's wrap.  Thank you everyone
[16:04] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  5 16:04:47 2016 UTC.
[16:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-01-05-15.30.moin.txt
[16:05] <seb128> thanks!
[16:13] <larsu> snow!
[16:19] <ricotz> Laney, hi :), I have a feeling providing a proper transitional package for gvfs-backends-goa would be better
[16:27] <Laney> what is your feeling based on?
[16:30] <ricotz> Laney, breaking ubuntu-gnome-desktop package and maybe a smooth upgrade from trusty?
[16:31] <ricotz> *ubuntu-gnome-desktop meta-package
[16:41] <Laney> ricotz: Not sure there will be any particular upgrade issue, we'll see
[16:41] <Laney> and the seed is being fixed
[16:42] <Laney> xnox: btw I remembered how to make germinate-update-metapackage (seeds) work for proposed
[16:42] <Laney> we were looking at that just before xmas
[16:42] <Laney> [xenial]
[16:42] <Laney> dists: xenial xenial-proposed
[16:43]  * xnox ponders if that should be the default really
[16:48] <ricotz> Laney, ok
[16:50] <Laney> ricotz: germinate is currently melting my laptop
[16:50] <Laney> oh a load of s390x stuff changed
[16:50]  * Laney assumes that is good
[17:08] <didrocks> have a good evening everyone!
[17:09] <Laney> bye didrocks!
[17:09] <seb128> night didrocks
[17:09] <didrocks> good evening Laney, seb128
[17:15] <Mirv> no new Personal images since 20151017.1, or is there another place to fetch them than the edge channel of personal rolling?
[17:16] <Mirv> my main goal would be to actually install such an image somehow
[17:17] <Mirv> this is the primary goal. secondary would be to settle for .deb based Unity 8 + Mir experience.
[17:17] <Mirv> I've a dedicated touch chromebook for this :)
[17:19] <seb128> Mirv, we stopped those images since they were not an active goal
[17:20] <seb128> you better install daily ubuntu and install the unity8-desktop-session
[17:28] <alexarnaud> hikiko: it was sn error with VirtualBox. I fix it only bu unchecking "enable 3d acceleration"
[17:35] <Mirv> seb128: thanks, ok then, I won't dream yet of those images then :)
[17:36] <Mirv> seb128: does unity8-desktop-session use Mir by default?
[17:36] <seb128> yes
[17:36] <seb128> there is no unity8 x11 session remaining I think
[17:36] <hikiko> alexarnaud, thanks for sharing! I think that the 3d acceleration works for certain hosts only (some kernel and xserver versions are not supported) glad you fixed it though :)
[17:38] <alexarnaud> hikiko: I spend so much time on this ! Before the bug doesn't appear. I'm in Debian Sid and I don't know when it come.
[17:39] <Mirv> thanks again
[17:39] <hikiko> if the problem occurs when you enable the 3d acceleration only
[17:39] <Saviq> seb128, since you were trying to help with that at some point - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1313032/comments/9
[17:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1313032 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Compose key is not working in Xubuntu 14.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:40] <hikiko> it means that you either don't have the guest additions installed or that for some other reason vbox cannot use the host's driver (the debian sid's driver)
[17:41] <hikiko> alexarnaud, if you install mesa-utils
[17:41] <hikiko> and then you run glxgears
[17:41] <hikiko> do you see the gears?
[17:47] <seb128> Saviq, thanks
[18:06] <seb128> good evening desktopers!
[18:08] <Laney> riiiiiiight laters!
[18:08] <Laney> bye seb128 !
[18:08] <alexarnaud> hikiko: yes, I see gears
[18:10] <ricotz> Laney, thanks for fixing the meta-package
[18:14] <hikiko> then opengl is working alexarnaud :)
[18:16] <willcooke> see ya seb128
[18:37] <willcooke> gnight all
[18:37] <willcooke> close enough
[19:08] <alexarnaud> see you tomorrow !