[16:59] infinity: happy new year! [17:00] happy new year [17:00] slangasek: happy new year! [17:00] *grunt* [17:00] hehe [17:00] o/ [17:00] hi pitti! [17:01] happy new year everyone! [17:02] pitti: You too. [17:04] not that we'd have much of an agenda, but let's still wait a bit on stgraber, slangasek, and kees [17:04] I have always been here ;) [17:05] hey slangasek, how are you? [17:05] pitti: not too bad! out of the eggnog coma [17:05] pitti: you? [17:06] slangasek: quite well, had a really nice time in Dresden; replacing IRC with lots of walks, museums, spending time with family & friends etc :) [17:06] then again, what are we doing here, we all timed out :) [17:06] so, *shrug* [17:06] #startmeeting [17:06] Meeting started Tue Jan 5 17:06:35 2016 UTC. The chair is pitti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:06] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [17:06] #topic action review [17:06] ACTION: slangasek to document juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases [17:06] ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception [17:06] the usual? [17:07] * pitti doesn't suspect any progress over the holidays [17:07] Yeah, not so much. [17:07] indeed not, sorry :) [17:07] no worries, just following the protocol [17:07] nothing on the ML either except for being on the CC checkup meeting [17:07] so I guess that leaves us to [17:08] #topic tech board re-election [17:08] I notified Mark about our timeout and asked for re-adding all of us for another month [17:08] does anyone have any experience running the election? [17:08] does anyone remember what we did two years ago for the election? [17:09] I know someone set up a poll, maybe Mark himself, maybe someone from CC [17:09] we had an email from dholbach back at the beginning of December, pointing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing which suggests that the board itself "usually" runs the election [17:12] ok, that doesn't tell much about the operational details of setting up the voting, but before that Mark needs to appoint candidates anyway [17:12] ok [17:14] TBH, my motivation for doing a fourth 2-year term is relatively low -- we haven't really been that useful in the last two years IMHO [17:16] I'd like to see us get more useful, but I'm not sure how to magically make that happen. [17:16] was there a call for nominations last time? I can't seem to find it [17:17] my recollection was that Mark hand-picks? [17:18] yeah, mine to [17:18] ok [17:19] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-December/001759.html [17:19] is what I found from the last time [17:19] hello all [17:19] Oh hey, look. [17:19] sabdfl: hi! [17:19] happy new year to you too, infinity [17:19] sabdfl: hi! happy new year [17:19] hey slangasek, pitti, mdeslaur, good to see you all [17:19] and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-October/001734.html [17:20] oh, hello sabdfl! happy new year! [17:21] i believe i and to you too pitti, i hope you guys all had a very restful and happy holiday [17:21] well, that came out all wrong [17:21] * pitti reorders :) [17:21] s/i believe i// [17:22] pitti, was the link re cor-dev membership as a requirement, or staggering terms? [17:22] sabdfl: the mails from two years ago above were just about procedural issues and pretty much the same questions that we have now [17:22] sabdfl: but ISTR that core-dev should be a rather strong requirement [17:24] yes, i think so too, though i would tend to filter nominations that way in any event [17:24] sabdfl: so what are the next steps? should we sent out a public call for nominations, or do you want to ponder that and nominate yourself? [17:24] am i interrupting or can we talk about elections? [17:24] cool [17:24] sabdfl: it's our only topic and it's going on right now [17:24] public call for nominations please, i just shortlist [17:24] ack [17:26] I nominate the current board. *cough* [17:26] i'd like to discuss nominations with the T, but i believe your only list is public? [17:26] TB [17:26] right, it is [17:26] so that'd be individual mails [17:26] will do [17:27] may i ask that the current TB extend for 3 weeks to cover a 2-week call for nominations and a 1-week election? [17:27] sabdfl: I mailed you the other day with proposing an extension by one month [17:27] I don't think any of us have issues with that, so long as you click the buttons in LP. [17:27] I'm fine with that [17:28] (The lack of permissions has already caused some issues :P) [17:28] i'll ask folks to ack if they want me to do the clicky click [17:28] (FTR, ack from me as well) [17:29] pitti: You're chairing, startvote +1mo and clicky clicky? :P [17:29] Or 3wk. [17:29] Or whatever. [17:29] as for the nominations, mail to u-devel-announce@? who should the nominees be sent to? I'm happy enough to collect them in private, or should they go to u-devel-discuss@? [17:29] #vote extend current TB term by one month for the re-election [17:29] Please vote on: extend current TB term by one month for the re-election [17:29] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [17:29] +1 [17:29] +1 received from pitti [17:29] +1 [17:29] +1 received from mdeslaur [17:29] +1 [17:29] +1 received from infinity [17:30] need slangasek for quorum [17:30] pitti: If they're being filtered, they should be sent privately. No one needs the public embarrassment of self-nominating and being rejected. [17:30] yes, that's what I thought [17:31] when I collect them privately, I won't do any replies or discussion, just assemble the list and send them to sabdfl after 2 weeks [17:31] +1 [17:31] +1 received from slangasek [17:31] (FTR, if anyone else wants to, I happily hand that over :) ) [17:31] #endvote [17:31] Voting ended on: extend current TB term by one month for the re-election [17:31] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [17:31] Motion carried [17:31] sabdfl: thanks in advance for the button pushing [17:32] pitti: You're the most trusted of all of us, happy to let you be the man behind the curtain. :P [17:33] love the voting thing, it's such a good idea! [17:33] sabdfl: while we are at it, who has experience with setting up the actual voting in two weeks? [17:33] dholbach [17:33] ack, thanks [17:33] istr he just ran the process for the CC [17:34] ok, so we have a plan now? [17:34] only thing to be sure of is the voters roll [17:34] #action pitti to send out call for nominations to u-d-a@, collect proposals for two weeks, and send to sabdfl [17:34] ACTION: pitti to send out call for nominations to u-d-a@, collect proposals for two weeks, and send to sabdfl [17:34] i'll take nominations by direct email (can be cc'd to TB@ if folks want a nomination on the record) [17:34] sabdfl: ah, you collect the votes? WFM too, then I don't proxy [17:34] pls cc the nominee (and if public pls check with them before nominating them :) [17:34] ack [17:34] i'll double-check with nominees [17:35] and then discuss nominations with current TB, just to give the conspiracy theorists a head start [17:35] then we'll have a shortlist, and a vote, and a TB [17:35] \o/ [17:35] \o/ [17:36] https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members whee! [17:36] hmm, i might have overclicked - kees is correct yes? [17:36] Yes. [17:36] phew [17:37] But you're missing stgraber. [17:37] otherwise that might have been surprising to him [17:37] reload [17:37] Oh, there he is. I refreshed. [17:37] ;) [17:37] alrighty then [17:37] AOB? [17:37] thanks sabdfl [17:37] #topic AOB [17:37] thanks sabdfl [17:37] I was wondering if the size of the TB is something to discuss for this election too. [17:37] good point [17:37] Namely that, minus sabdfl, who isn't usually present for votes, we are an even number. [17:37] Which is awkward. [17:37] TB tasks have dramatically reduced over the years [17:37] 5 might be better than 6. [17:38] sabdfl: ^ [17:39] Not that we often disagree, but if someone poses the right question, it could happen. :P [17:43] infinity: FWIW, +1 from me [17:43] AOB #2? [17:43] I have nothing [17:44] I haven't had breakfast yet, and that's a dire issue. [17:44] (So, no, nothing else) [17:44] #endmeeting [17:44] Meeting ended Tue Jan 5 17:44:24 2016 UTC. [17:44] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2016/ubuntu-meeting-2.2016-01-05-17.06.moin.txt [17:44] thanks everyone! [17:44] thanks pitti! [17:44] thanks everyone [17:44] thanks! [17:54] slangasek, sabdfl, infinity, mdeslaur: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14412520/ ← does that look ok? [17:55] pitti: lgtm [17:55] pitti: wfm [17:56] thx [17:56] and out it is [17:56] * pitti waves good night [17:56] pitti: Moderated. [17:57] infinity: oh, I thought I did :) [17:57] Oh, well, one of us did. [17:57] the listadmin race is on!