[16:59] <mdeslaur> infinity: happy new year!
[17:00] <slangasek> happy new year
[17:00] <mdeslaur> slangasek: happy new year!
[17:00] <infinity> *grunt*
[17:00] <mdeslaur> hehe
[17:00] <pitti> o/
[17:00] <mdeslaur> hi pitti!
[17:01] <pitti> happy new year everyone!
[17:02] <infinity> pitti: You too.
[17:04] <pitti> not that we'd have much of an agenda, but let's still wait a bit on stgraber, slangasek, and kees
[17:04] <slangasek> I have always been here ;)
[17:05] <pitti> hey slangasek, how are you?
[17:05] <slangasek> pitti: not too bad! out of the eggnog coma
[17:05] <slangasek> pitti: you?
[17:06] <pitti> slangasek: quite well, had a really nice time in Dresden; replacing IRC with lots of walks, museums, spending time with family & friends etc :)
[17:06] <pitti> then again, what are we doing here, we all timed out :)
[17:06] <pitti> so, *shrug*
[17:06] <pitti> #startmeeting
[17:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan  5 17:06:35 2016 UTC.  The chair is pitti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:06] <pitti> #topic action review
[17:06] <pitti>     ACTION: slangasek to document juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
[17:06] <pitti>     ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
[17:06] <pitti> the usual?
[17:07]  * pitti doesn't suspect any progress over the holidays
[17:07] <infinity> Yeah, not so much.
[17:07] <slangasek> indeed not, sorry :)
[17:07] <pitti> no worries, just following the protocol
[17:07] <pitti> nothing on the ML either except for being on the CC checkup meeting
[17:07] <pitti> so I guess that leaves us to
[17:08] <pitti> #topic tech board re-election
[17:08] <pitti> I notified Mark about our timeout and asked for re-adding all of us for another month
[17:08] <slangasek> does anyone have any experience running the election?
[17:08] <pitti> does anyone remember what we did two years ago for the election?
[17:09] <pitti> I know someone set up a poll, maybe Mark himself, maybe someone from CC
[17:09] <slangasek> we had an email from dholbach back at the beginning of December, pointing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing which suggests that the board itself "usually" runs the election
[17:12] <pitti> ok, that doesn't tell much about the operational details of setting up the voting, but before that Mark needs to appoint candidates anyway
[17:12] <slangasek> ok
[17:14] <pitti> TBH, my motivation for doing a fourth 2-year term is relatively low -- we haven't really been that useful in the last two years IMHO
[17:16] <infinity> I'd like to see us get more useful, but I'm not sure how to magically make that happen.
[17:16] <mdeslaur> was there a call for nominations last time? I can't seem to find it
[17:17] <slangasek> my recollection was that Mark hand-picks?
[17:18] <pitti> yeah, mine to
[17:18] <mdeslaur> ok
[17:19] <pitti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-December/001759.html
[17:19] <pitti> is what I found from the last time
[17:19] <sabdfl> hello all
[17:19] <infinity> Oh hey, look.
[17:19] <slangasek> sabdfl: hi!
[17:19] <sabdfl> happy new year to you too, infinity
[17:19] <mdeslaur> sabdfl: hi! happy new year
[17:19] <sabdfl> hey slangasek, pitti, mdeslaur, good to see you all
[17:19] <pitti> and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-October/001734.html
[17:20] <pitti> oh, hello sabdfl! happy new year!
[17:21] <sabdfl> i believe i and to you too pitti, i hope you guys all had a very restful and happy holiday
[17:21] <sabdfl> well, that came out all wrong
[17:21]  * pitti reorders :)
[17:21] <sabdfl> s/i believe i//
[17:22] <sabdfl> pitti, was the link re cor-dev membership as a requirement, or staggering terms?
[17:22] <pitti> sabdfl: the mails from two years ago above were just about procedural issues and pretty much the same questions that we have now
[17:22] <pitti> sabdfl: but ISTR that core-dev should be a rather strong requirement
[17:24] <sabdfl> yes, i think so too, though i would tend to filter nominations that way in any event
[17:24] <pitti> sabdfl: so what are the next steps? should we sent out a public call for nominations, or do you want to ponder that and nominate yourself?
[17:24] <sabdfl> am i interrupting or can we talk about elections?
[17:24] <sabdfl> cool
[17:24] <pitti> sabdfl: it's our only topic and it's going on right now
[17:24] <sabdfl> public call for nominations please, i just shortlist
[17:24] <pitti> ack
[17:26] <infinity> I nominate the current board.  *cough*
[17:26] <sabdfl> i'd like to discuss nominations with the T, but i believe your only list is public?
[17:26] <sabdfl> TB
[17:26] <pitti> right, it is
[17:26] <pitti> so that'd be individual mails
[17:26] <sabdfl> will do
[17:27] <sabdfl> may i ask that the current TB extend for 3 weeks to cover a 2-week call for nominations and a 1-week election?
[17:27] <pitti> sabdfl: I mailed you the other day with proposing an extension by one month
[17:27] <infinity> I don't think any of us have issues with that, so long as you click the buttons in LP.
[17:27] <mdeslaur> I'm fine with that
[17:28] <infinity> (The lack of permissions has already caused some issues :P)
[17:28] <sabdfl> i'll ask folks to ack if they want me to do the clicky click
[17:28] <pitti> (FTR, ack from me as well)
[17:29] <infinity> pitti: You're chairing, startvote +1mo and clicky clicky? :P
[17:29] <infinity> Or 3wk.
[17:29] <infinity> Or whatever.
[17:29] <pitti> as for the nominations, mail to u-devel-announce@? who should the nominees be sent to? I'm happy enough to collect them in private, or should they go to u-devel-discuss@?
[17:29] <pitti> #vote extend current TB term by one month for the re-election
[17:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: extend current TB term by one month for the re-election
[17:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[17:29] <pitti> +1
[17:29] <meetingology> +1 received from pitti
[17:29] <mdeslaur> +1
[17:29] <meetingology> +1 received from mdeslaur
[17:29] <infinity> +1
[17:29] <meetingology> +1 received from infinity
[17:30] <pitti> need slangasek for quorum
[17:30] <infinity> pitti: If they're being filtered, they should be sent privately.  No one needs the public embarrassment of self-nominating and being rejected.
[17:30] <pitti> yes, that's what I thought
[17:31] <pitti> when I collect them privately, I won't do any replies or discussion, just assemble the list and send them to sabdfl after 2 weeks
[17:31] <slangasek> +1
[17:31] <meetingology> +1 received from slangasek
[17:31] <pitti> (FTR, if anyone else wants to, I happily hand that over :) )
[17:31] <pitti> #endvote
[17:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: extend current TB term by one month for the re-election
[17:31] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[17:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:31] <pitti> sabdfl: thanks in advance for the button pushing
[17:32] <infinity> pitti: You're the most trusted of all of us, happy to let you be the man behind the curtain. :P
[17:33] <sabdfl> love the voting thing, it's such a good idea!
[17:33] <pitti> sabdfl: while we are at it, who has experience with setting up the actual voting in two weeks?
[17:33] <sabdfl> dholbach
[17:33] <pitti> ack, thanks
[17:33] <sabdfl> istr he just ran the process for the CC
[17:34] <pitti> ok, so we have a plan now?
[17:34] <sabdfl> only thing to be sure of is the voters roll
[17:34] <pitti> #action pitti to send out call for nominations to u-d-a@, collect proposals for two weeks, and send to sabdfl
[17:34] <meetingology> ACTION: pitti to send out call for nominations to u-d-a@, collect proposals for two weeks, and send to sabdfl
[17:34] <sabdfl> i'll take nominations by direct email (can be cc'd to TB@ if folks want a nomination on the record)
[17:34] <pitti> sabdfl: ah, you collect the votes? WFM too, then I don't proxy
[17:34] <sabdfl> pls cc the nominee (and if public pls check with them before nominating them :)
[17:34] <pitti> ack
[17:34] <sabdfl> i'll double-check with nominees
[17:35] <sabdfl> and then discuss nominations with current TB, just to give the conspiracy theorists a head start
[17:35] <sabdfl> then we'll have a shortlist, and a vote, and a TB
[17:35] <infinity> \o/
[17:35] <mdeslaur> \o/
[17:36] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members whee!
[17:36] <sabdfl> hmm, i might have overclicked - kees is correct yes?
[17:36] <infinity> Yes.
[17:36] <sabdfl> phew
[17:37] <infinity> But you're missing stgraber.
[17:37] <sabdfl> otherwise that might have been surprising to him
[17:37] <sabdfl> reload
[17:37] <infinity> Oh, there he is.  I refreshed.
[17:37] <infinity> ;)
[17:37] <sabdfl> alrighty then
[17:37] <sabdfl> AOB?
[17:37] <pitti> thanks sabdfl
[17:37] <pitti> #topic AOB
[17:37] <mdeslaur> thanks sabdfl
[17:37] <infinity> I was wondering if the size of the TB is something to discuss for this election too.
[17:37] <pitti> good point
[17:37] <infinity> Namely that, minus sabdfl, who isn't usually present for votes, we are an even number.
[17:37] <infinity> Which is awkward.
[17:37] <pitti> TB tasks have dramatically reduced over the years
[17:37] <infinity> 5 might be better than 6.
[17:38] <pitti> sabdfl: ^
[17:39] <infinity> Not that we often disagree, but if someone poses the right question, it could happen. :P
[17:43] <pitti> infinity: FWIW, +1 from me
[17:43] <pitti> AOB #2?
[17:43] <mdeslaur> I have nothing
[17:44] <infinity> I haven't had breakfast yet, and that's a dire issue.
[17:44] <infinity> (So, no, nothing else)
[17:44] <pitti> #endmeeting
[17:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  5 17:44:24 2016 UTC.
[17:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2016/ubuntu-meeting-2.2016-01-05-17.06.moin.txt
[17:44] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[17:44] <mdeslaur> thanks pitti!
[17:44] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone
[17:44] <slangasek> thanks!
[17:54] <pitti> slangasek, sabdfl, infinity, mdeslaur: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14412520/ ← does that look ok?
[17:55] <slangasek> pitti: lgtm
[17:55] <infinity> pitti: wfm
[17:56] <pitti> thx
[17:56] <pitti> and out it is
[17:56]  * pitti waves good night
[17:56] <infinity> pitti: Moderated.
[17:57] <pitti> infinity: oh, I thought I did :)
[17:57] <infinity> Oh, well, one of us did.
[17:57] <pitti> the listadmin race is on!