[03:33] <Kitlith> So... I'm looking into porting Ubuntu touch, and I'm wondering if it is any 'easier' if cyanogenmod is available for the device.
[03:34] <Kitlith> I would think so, at least for the android specific parts, but it doesn't help with the rest, right?
[05:09] <sangram1992> i have installed ubuntu14.4.3.lts
[05:10] <sangram1992> bt after shutdown of laptop screen flickrs
[05:11] <sangram1992> help
[05:11] <sangram1992> kindly asist
[05:11]  * sangram1992 slaps alesage around a bit with a large fishbot
[05:22] <duflu> To be fair alesage is probably sleeping right now
[06:33] <morphis> ogra_: ping
[08:15] <nhaines> Who wants to help me get Firefox running on my Nexus 7!  It's running rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd
[08:16] <nhaines> Don't everyone trip over themselves at once.
[08:17] <yahn> nhaines, what do you need help with?
[08:18] <nhaines> yahn: when I make the system writeable and then apt install firefox, it can't find the display.  It looks like xmir's installed.  Basically I need to know if there's any other bootstrapping needed.
[08:18] <nhaines> Because every post I see says "Wasn't even any bootstrapping needed!"
[08:19] <yahn> nhaines: Way over my head unfortunately. Good luck though :)
[08:20] <nhaines> Thanks!  :)
[08:20] <nhaines> The good news is that Bluetooth works now.  *Way* more usable when I don't have to borrow my PC's keyboard and mouse.  :)
[08:21] <yahn> Is that due to the newer BlueZ?
[08:35] <nhaines> yahn: I'm not sure.  It worked for OTA-6, and broke with either OTA-7 or -8.  I never got around to bisecting the diffs.
[08:42] <robin-hero> with OTA-9 there will be a new bluetooth stack (BlueZ5)
[08:42] <yahn> I wasn't sure if BlueZ5 had already landed
[08:45] <yahn> it'll be nice to finally be able to use Bluetooth Low Energy devices
[09:06] <mcphail> nhaines: I've just started looking at xmir. Not sure of the exact process but think you have to call Xmir with a DISPLAY number, then export the $DISPLAY variable before calling the X-client app. I need to wait until I can safely break my phone before trying it, though
[09:11] <mcphail> nhaines: perhaps try "export DISPLAY=:99 ; Xmir $DISPLAY && firefox --display=$DISPLAY" ?
[09:11]  * mcphail is guessing
[09:12] <mcphail> or rather "export DISPLAY=:99 ; Xmir $DISPLAY & ; firefox --display=$DISPLAY" ?
[09:37] <bkchr> Hi, I'm searching for informations about building ubuntu touch for arm64. I found the wiki page about the future of the android container. Are more informations available and maybe already something to work with? I would like to try to port Ubuntu touch to the Nexus 6p
[09:39] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Golden Gate Bridge Day! 😃
[11:17] <nhaines> mcphail: close, but no cigar.  :)
[11:18] <mcphail> nhaines: aargh
[11:18] <nhaines> The first gives "Fatal server error: (EE) Failed t oconnect to Mir: Failed to send message to server: Broken pipe" and the second gives "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;'"
[11:18] <nhaines> But Xmir is crashing.
[11:18] <mcphail> hmm
[11:20] <nhaines> mcphail: out of time to play with it now.  But I'll squint at Xmir options later, I think.  Thanks!  :)
[11:24] <mcphail> nhaines: there was a demo of someone running MATE and various apps on the phone on G+ recently. popey gave me a link to a "HOWTO" of sorts. I'll see if I can dig it out later
[13:07] <donkey_12> nhaines, Xmir :0 -sw -flatten -rootless --desktop_file_hint=firefox ?
[13:08] <donkey_12> Xmir --help
[13:10] <donkey_12> and maybe add X-Ubuntu-Touch=true to firefox.desktop
[13:42] <V99_> hi! i install a package over apt-get, to do this i will to make readwrite my FS and i read in internet that i lose the OTA updates
[13:42] <V99_> but my question is, i will have updates over apt-get?
[13:43] <beuno> V99_, you will not
[13:43] <V99_> or definitibely i lost the updates and i have to reflash the phone?
[13:43] <V99_> ooooooooooops
[13:43] <V99_> :(
[13:43] <beuno> yes, reflash to update
[13:43] <V99_> and there is nbo other method to update?
[13:43] <V99_> i want readwrite system
[13:44] <beuno> V99_, no, you either have a transactional, binary-based update mechanism your you update individual packages
[13:45] <V99_> ok beuno thanks for all
[13:45] <V99_> i will go to reflash
[14:49] <mterry> oSoMoN, heyo!  Does webbrowser-app launch for you in xenial?  I get "module "Ubuntu.Thumbnailer" is not installed"
[14:51] <oSoMoN> mterry, would you mind filing a bug? I don’t have a xenial setup handy, but I’ll set up a VM and look into it
[14:51] <mterry> oSoMoN, ok
[14:52] <mterry> oSoMoN, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1531179
[14:52] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1531179 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "[desktop] Crashes on startup in xenial: module "Ubuntu.Thumbnailer" is not installed" [Undecided,New]
[14:53] <oSoMoN> mterry, thanks
[14:54] <mterry> oSoMoN, ah, just missing a dependency on qml-module-ubuntu-thumbnailer0.1
[14:55] <oSoMoN> huh, that’s an ugly one, this module is in universe, we can’t declare a runtime dependency on it
[14:56] <oSoMoN> will have to make its use conditional
[14:57] <oSoMoN> although it looks like the import is unused
[14:57] <oSoMoN> mterry, would you mind testing something for me? Can you edit /usr/share/webbrowser-app/webbrowser/DownloadsPage.qml, simply comment out the import of Ubuntu.Thumbnailer, and see if that fixes the issue?
[14:58] <mterry> oSoMoN, ok
[15:00] <Elleo> oSoMoN: urgh, sorry, that's my fault :/ it is used though, it's just not obvious; importing Ubuntu.Thumbnailer is required for the image://thumbnailer/ image provider
[15:00] <mterry> oSoMoN, still runs.  I don't see any new errors in the console
[15:00] <Elleo> oSoMoN: we might just have to get rid of thumbnailer usage for now
[15:00] <Elleo> oSoMoN: and it'll fallback to mimetype images
[15:00] <mterry> (I uninstalled thumbnailer module too just in case)
[15:00] <Elleo> its getting pretty silly how much of our "platform" isn't in main though :/
[15:01] <mterry> Elleo, oSoMoN: you can file a MIR for the thumbnailer...
[15:01] <oSoMoN> Elleo, agreed, that’s a real pain in the neck
[15:02] <oSoMoN> Elleo, can we add some runtime detection to use image://thumbnailer only if Ubuntu.Thumbnailer can be imported (and not fail otherwise)
[15:02] <oSoMoN> ?
[15:02] <Elleo> oSoMoN: possibly, I'm not sure how image providers work if loaded from a Loader or similar, if they get imported properly that way it might be doable
[15:03] <Elleo> oSoMoN: I'll do a quick test and see what I can find out
[15:03] <oSoMoN> Elleo, excellent, thanks
[15:24] <mterry> morphis, OK was this "repo sync -j4" thing a practical joke?  :)   I have no hard drive space left anymore  :)
[15:24] <mterry> And I haven't even built it
[15:24] <morphis> mterry: it needs quite a lot space, yet :-)
[15:32] <oSoMoN> anyone knows about the lint_control_architecture_valid_contents check when publishing a click package? I’m trying to publish an update to an app of mine to the store, it’s a pure QML app, and it gets rejected because there are mo files under share/locale/…
[15:32] <oSoMoN> found binaries for architecture 'all': share/locale/ug/LC_MESSAGES/tus.osomon.mo, share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/tus.osomon.mo, share/locale/ca/LC_MESSAGES/tus.osomon.mo, share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/tus.osomon.mo, share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/tus.osomon.mo, share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/tus.osomon.mo lint_control_architecture_valid_contents
[15:33] <oSoMoN> it looks to me like the check is too strict, mo files should be allowed, or what?
[15:33] <oSoMoN> afaict mo files are not architecture dependent
[15:35] <mterry> oSoMoN, I believe you are right...
[15:37] <oSoMoN> known issue apparently: https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools/+bug/1530894
[15:37] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1530894 in Canonical Click Reviewers tools ".mo files don't seem to be allowed in packages of arch 'all'" [Undecided,New]
[15:40] <peat-psuwit> Can I get a shell from Android lxc container?
[15:42] <mariogrip> peat-psuwit: do you mean like: lxc-console -nandroid -t0
[15:42] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: That works! Thank you.
[15:42] <mariogrip> :)
[15:44] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: BTW, I heard that you're running UBPorts project. I ports Ubuntu Touch to LG L90 and am interested to have my port in your project.
[15:46] <mariogrip> peat-psuwit: That awesome! you are welcome to join!
[15:47] <mariogrip> peat-psuwit: do you have a system-image server for your device?
[15:48] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: I don't have one. I distribute device tarball on xda-developer forum.
[15:49] <mariogrip> peat-psuwit: I can setup one on ubports server if you want
[15:50] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: That would be great.
[15:54] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: I still build my device tarball manually. There're a few bits I have to add in tarball manually to have it appear in Ubuntu rootfs.
[15:57] <mariogrip> Yeah, i can set it up so you can just upload the manually build device tarball. is sftp to upload ok?
[15:58] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: I think that
[15:58] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: that's fine
[16:05] <mariogrip> peat-psuwit: w7 is the device name right?
[16:06] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: Yes.
[16:07] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: In fact, there are many variant of this device having different codename. But I use CM's device tree which is unified tree and use this codename.
[16:08] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: I guess user running ubuntu-device-flash for the first time will need to specify --device
[16:09] <mariogrip> yeah, but if --device is not specified it tries to find it using adb
[16:13] <peat-psuwit> mariogrip: It'll get detailed device name, which is likely not "w7".
[16:13] <mariogrip> yeah, then you need to use --device
[16:13] <mariogrip> on install
[16:20] <mariogrip> peat-psuwit: http://system-image.ubports.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/w7/
[16:53] <mterry> ondra, do you know how to build just a portion of the aosp?  Specifically, I'm interested in just the recovery bits
[16:53] <ondra> mterry depends in which tree you are
[16:54] <ondra> mterry I added support for build of recovery and repacking recovery without dependencies to phablet tree
[16:54] <ondra> mterry just run $ make recoveryimage
[16:54] <mterry> ondra, I *think* I want to be eventually proposing agains CyanogenMod/android_bootable_recovery phablet-4.4.2_r1?
[16:54] <mterry> ondra, oh good, will try that make command
[16:55] <ondra> mterry mind recovery build is a bit hack on it's own, so it's not 100% guarantee. It basically copies over Android's boot image ramdisk and then hacks it around
[17:04] <mterry> ondra, ok will try and see if it works  :)  thanks!
[20:12] <farad> has anybody listening here an Aquaris E4.5 with Ubuntu 15.04 and a working GPS?
[20:12] <farad> I am trying to find out whether I have a software or a hardware problem
[20:14] <farad> I cannot obtain any position information with it
[20:14] <pmcgowan> farad, yes it works here, which channel did you install?
[20:15] <pmcgowan> you definitely want to have the Here AGPS stuff turned on
[20:15] <farad> sorry I do not know what you mean with channel
[20:15] <mterry> morphis, me again...  I get "unsupported HOST_ARCH=x86_64" when trying to build the aosp, which.. fair enough.  I tried building in my armhf lxc instance, and it gave same message -- I need to use lunch to run the build off of... what?  a phone?
[20:15] <farad> I accepted the HERE License yes
[20:17]  * mterry figures out how to run lunch against his phone
[20:17] <pmcgowan> farad, you will need a network conection to initialize it, and it will get  lock etter with wifi on if it sees known APs
[20:18] <pmcgowan> otherwise it needs a clear view for gps and can take several mins
[20:18] <farad> I tested the GPS outside, walking about an hour through the open fields and still no GPS
[20:19] <farad> and I had mobile data switched on
[20:19] <farad> so network connection should have been working
[20:21] <pmcgowan> hmm
[20:21] <pmcgowan> indeed
[20:21] <pmcgowan> farad, what version are you running
[20:21] <farad> my build is called "Ubuntu 15.04 - armhf (20151210-005527)
[20:22] <pmcgowan> ok
[20:22] <pmcgowan> farad, are you using a certain application to test it? I will try t here
[20:23] <farad> I tried different applications: SensorStatus, OSMTouch and uNav
[20:24] <farad> about a week ago, I got positioned while driving in a car, but the precision (according to "SensorStatus") was about 2500m, so this cannot really be GPS positioning
[20:25] <pmcgowan> yeah sounds like geoip maybe
[20:25] <pmcgowan> working here but I think it may have cached my location
[20:26] <pmcgowan> sensorstaus sees a good lat/long
[20:26] <farad> I am used to receivers that capture the position after about half a minute and with precision usually about 10m
[20:27] <farad> so that was what I was initially expecting
[20:27] <pmcgowan> you should get that
[20:27] <pmcgowan> there are other users complaining though
[20:28] <pmcgowan> Bugs are at  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service
[20:28] <pmcgowan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/location-service#Forensics for debug info
[20:29] <farad> OK, I will go into that
[20:29] <pmcgowan> farad, there is a thread at https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg17499.html
[20:29] <pmcgowan> thaks
[20:29] <pmcgowan> thanks even
[20:30] <farad> and I never got a vertical position, which is another indicator for no GPS but GeoIP
[20:30] <pmcgowan> yep although vertical is not so good
[20:30] <farad> yes, I know, but no value at all is not a good sign
[20:30] <farad> thank you for the links
[20:31] <farad> I will take my time to read these pages
[20:39] <|MaTT|DaMoN|187> hey hey, anyone able to help me with putting android back onto my nexus 5 from installing plasma mobile?
[20:42] <mterry> ondra, hrm.  Now I'm confused regarding aosp.  build/core/envsetup.sh only allows amd64 (x86_64).  But art/runtime/Android.mk only allows i386 (x86)
[20:42] <mterry> ondra, how do I build this?   :)
[20:43] <mterry> (for HOST_ARCH)
[20:45] <tvoss> farad, you still around?
[20:45] <farad> yes, still here
[20:46] <tvoss> farad, cool, so for your gps issue: are you happy to enable developer mode on your device?
[20:46] <farad> already done ;-)
[20:46] <dobey> |MaTT|DaMoN|187: this isn't the right channel for that, but just grab the stuff from google and follow their instructions.
[20:47] <tvoss> farad, great, so I would need some debugging data from your device
[20:48] <farad> if I can help with this, that would be great!
[20:49] <farad> I have not finished the location-service debugging article, but if you can just tell me where to look for it
[20:50] <farad> all info from the forensics section?
[20:50] <tvoss> farad, yup, that would be helpful
[20:50] <farad> OK, I am working on that
[20:51] <tvoss> farad, so to make sure I understand the scenario: you have a sim installed in your device and an active data connection?
[20:52] <farad> yes, but now I am inside and most likely cannot get GPS signals
[20:52] <tvoss> farad, sure, do you have a window nearby, though?
[20:52] <farad> yes
[20:54] <tvoss> okay, so there are two other things I would need: in a shell on the device (get one with phablet-shell), could you please run sudo ls -lh /data/misc
[20:54] <farad> adb shell is OK as well?
[20:54] <tvoss> farad, sure
[20:54] <farad> easier to copy to the chat
[20:55] <tvoss> farad, sure, pastebin is helpful, too
[20:56] <farad> OK, I should not paste it here, right?
[20:56] <dobey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[20:57] <farad> http://pastebin.com/F1AssVJg
[20:57] <farad> OK, I will use the ubuntu pastebin the next time
[20:57] <dobey> anyone is fine really
[20:58] <dobey> just use a pastebin, don't paste stuff into channels unless it's a single line :)
[21:00] <farad> OK, got that
[21:01] <tvoss> farad, thanks
[21:02] <tvoss> farad, so the other really interesting bit would be the output of running sudo GLOG_logtostderr=1 GLOG_v=10 ubuntu-location-serviced-cli --bus system --test
[21:02] <tvoss> farad, erm: sudo GLOG_logtostderr=1 GLOG_v=100 ubuntu-location-serviced-cli --bus system --test
[21:05] <farad> hmm, I just figured out, that at the moment I still had GPS disabled and tried to switch it back on, but the UI is not reacting
[21:06] <tvoss> farad, is that in system settings?
[21:06] <farad> only the switches for the positioning and the gps, everything else is working
[21:06] <farad> in the dropdown menu
[21:07] <tvoss> pmcgowan, didn't we remove the gps switch from the indicator with ota 8 or ota 8.5?
[21:08] <farad> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14414122/
[21:09] <farad> that is the output, but without GPS enabled
[21:09] <pmcgowan> tvoss, removed for 9, its in 8.5
[21:09] <tvoss> farad, the test always enables the gps no matter what
[21:09] <tvoss> farad, it also shuts down the location service instance, so better to reboot after we are done with the testing
[21:09] <farad> OK great, then this is fine
[21:10] <tvoss> farad, so the test is still running, and you will see some log messages coming in as it progresses
[21:10] <tvoss> did you start it with GTEST_v=100?
[21:10] <farad> yes, but you are right, it has not terminated yet
[21:11] <farad> but no other messages so far
[21:11] <farad> we need sattelite contact now right?
[21:12] <farad> so I have to run this command outside?
[21:12] <tvoss> well, ideally close to a window
[21:12] <tvoss> I usually ssh into the device to be able to place it close to a window
[21:13] <farad> how long will it take? 100 seconds?
[21:14] <tvoss> farad, it depends, more like a 180 - 300 seconds
[21:15] <farad> hmm, close to window does not seem to be enough
[21:16] <farad> looks like I have to take the phone for a small walk
[21:17] <tvoss> farad, placing it outside usually is good enough
[21:18] <farad> do I have to restart the phone before restarting that command?
[21:19] <tvoss> nope
[21:19] <tvoss> farad, you could abort the test and restart with GLOG_v=1000 for crazy level of log detail :)
[21:21] <farad> if you are ready for parsing that, then I will do
[21:21] <tvoss> farad, yup, I am :)
[21:21] <tvoss> farad, and it gives a nice indication of what is going on
[21:23] <farad> ah, NMEA output, I was looking for that for the last week :-)
[21:28] <tvoss> farad, :)
[21:29] <tvoss> farad, it's not what typical users are interested in :) you should just have said: give me nmea
[21:33] <farad> well, I am not particularly interested in the NMEA output, but I was looking for exactly that output to debug this case
[21:33] <tvoss> farad, ack
[21:35] <farad> OK, I think something is finally going on there
[21:37] <farad> but now I have to run the command again, and store the output somewhere so that I can transfer it
[21:38] <farad> is it difficult to set up ssh?
[21:39] <tvoss> farad, not really, it should be setup already
[21:42] <farad> I think I will just pipe the output to a file and transfer it to the computer manually
[21:44] <tvoss> farad, that's fine, too
[21:44] <tvoss> farad, please make sure that you run sudo powerd-cli active to make sure that the device does not go to deep sleep
[21:44]  * dobey wonders how hard it would be to have an app that traps/sends specially formed SMS messages
[21:52] <tvoss> farad, so I just ran the test with result: Mean time to first fix in [ms]: 59727
[21:53] <farad> yes, I got something like that
[21:54] <farad> I restarted the command about two minutes ago with your given powerd setting
[21:58] <popey> mariogrip, hey, have you seen upstart using a lot of cpu on the oneplus?
[22:01] <mariogrip> popey: no, i haven't noticed. I will note it down on my todo list, thanks for telling me
[22:12] <tvoss> farad, so the good news is: your gps is working
[22:12] <tvoss> farad, ~60 seconds is quite good, that's without agps
[22:36] <popey> This is really impressive mariogrip. loving what you've done with the OPO. works really well
[22:38] <mariogrip> Thanks popey!
[22:39]  * genii hands out tasty cookies all around
[22:39]  * mariogrip loves cookies!!
[22:40] <genii> :D
[22:45] <mcphail> mariogrip: don't think the OPO is on the !devices list. Would you like to add it?
[22:47] <mariogrip> mcphail: Device list? this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[22:48] <mcphail> mariogrip: yes - didn't see it listed there. Would be nice to have another non-Nexus phone listed :)
[22:48] <mariogrip> Yeah, will add it :)
[22:48] <mcphail> Nice :)
[22:57] <rww> heh, the board name for OPO is bacon? jono must like that :p
[22:58] <popey> :)
[22:58] <popey> It's nice to be able to have 10 apps open and non of them get OOMKilled
[22:59] <popey> mariogrip, I note the OPX has a similar setup (snapdragon 801) as the OPO - does that mean it should be "easy" to port?
[23:00] <mariogrip> "hopefully" JUP! :D
[23:00] <mariogrip> now with the new ubp-5.1.1 branch i have 3 new device cooking up :)
[23:01] <popey> niiiiiice
[23:01]  * popey hugs mariogrip 
[23:01]  * mariogrip huges back :P
[23:02] <mariogrip> the ubp-5.1.1 on the oneplus one seems to be even more "snappy"
[23:02] <mariogrip> aka smooth
[23:03] <popey> \o/
[23:10] <mariogrip> How do i become a Ubuntu member?
[23:10] <genii> !member
[23:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu Membership means recognition of a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community.  For more info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[23:24] <Aylinizm> hi all
[23:25] <Aylinizm> i have samsung grand prime  cell phone
[23:25] <Aylinizm> i want to install ubuntu touch to this phone
[23:25] <Aylinizm> is there any images which is suitable for this device ?
[23:31] <mcphail> !devices | Aylinizm
[23:31] <ubot5`> Aylinizm: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[23:32] <mcphail> mariogrip: having made a port, how much of the process do you think could be automated or scripted, and applied generically across devices with, say, a cyanogenmod tree?
[23:35] <Aylinizm> !devices
[23:35] <ubot5`> You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[23:36] <mariogrip> the ubp-5.1.1 is based on CM btw, and I would say that it's not that hard, I am acutely making a "semi automated" script that puts everything together using the Cyanogenmods "cm.dependencies" file and also sets all the propper settings for ubuntu.
[23:37] <mariogrip> actually*
[23:37] <Aylinizm> oh thanks. greate news for me
[23:38] <Aylinizm> i just like to use ubuntu.
[23:38] <mcphail> mariogrip: that sounds like a great idea. If Ubuntu is going to have a future on devices, it needs to be easier for numpties like me to make a port ;)
[23:38] <Aylinizm> lol. yea
[23:39]  * mcphail longs for a day when Ubuntu will run on any device with an upstream cyanogenmod port
[23:42] <mariogrip> if we get libhybris (and other parts) to work "100%" with CM, I think that might be possible for many CM devices
[23:43] <mcphail> That is an exciting prospect