[00:00] clivejo: still here? [00:00] yup [00:00] How would I make the signature you asked for? [00:01] when you run dch it should add you on the changelog [00:02] That is in the diff I've sent you [00:02] the diff has me as the last one editing it [00:02] That's what dch did [00:03] How should I change it? [00:03] it should put your email address and details on it [00:04] Obviously some environment variables aren't set [00:04] have you your deb email etc set? [00:04] I forgot which they are [00:04] AFAIK no [00:05] Is there a guide for that? [00:06] in ~/.bashrc add export EMAIL=clivejo@aol.com [00:06] export DEBEMAIL=clivejo@aol.com [00:06] but replace the email with your own :P [00:06] You use AOL? [00:06] yeah, was a stupid idea [00:07] I didnt think Id be any good at packaging [00:07] Can you please add that in the setup section of the notes? [00:07] and when Jon helped me get setup it was the one I typed in [00:07] I'm on mobile and in bed... [00:08] Im just about to go to bed myself [00:08] I'm during a midnight sleep break [00:08] Ive broken that package and cant for the life of me figure out what Ive done wrong [00:10] Quassel on Android won't let me select and copy chat text [00:11] * ovidiu-florin goes back to sleep [00:12] night night [00:12] Good night [01:37] soee_: Sorry, but nvidia-361 appears to be severely bugged and most applications (including SDDM, krunner, and plasmashell) segfault immediately upon starting. I won't be uploading this one. [01:40] ha :D [01:40] nvidia devs are aware of this problems ? [01:41] I don't think so, but I will let them know. [01:41] cool, thank you. [01:42] The KDE crash handler also gets quite a detailed stacktrace that should be helpful. [01:44] so they never test drivers before release ? [01:44] like test on various DE? [01:46] soee_: I have no idea what their testing is like, but I'm pretty sure they didn't test this one on KF5/Plasma5. This is a beta release and not a final, so... [01:46] yup, but i think beta requires even more tests :) [01:47] * mamarley is apparently the guineapig here. :) [01:59] soee_: If you are interested: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/908506/linux/many-essential-kde-applications-sddm-krunner-plasmashell-segfault-on-startup-with-361-16/ [04:45] clivejo: sorry, fell asleep. Your knavalbattle buildlog sounds like you are missing "include" at the beginning of line 3 [05:00] yofel: black screen when logging out or shutting down system, black screen after playmouth and before sddm - this is plasma fault or ubuntu ? [05:01] soee: could you please try sddm 0.13 from ppa:yofel/ppa and see if that works? (and disable the ppa after that) [05:02] I believe it's some error between sddm and qt 5.5 or something like that [05:02] sure, give me few minutes [05:04] yofel: I think we fixed that in sddm 0.13 packaging. [05:06] yofel: done. all works as expected i think. Rebooting, logging, logout->login [05:07] great [05:07] one thing i have noticed is that sddm now starts much faster when booting [05:07] ScottK: thanks, that's what I heard, I just didn't get to test it myself yet [05:07] so the time plymouth->sddm is lower [05:07] sweet [05:09] That's thanks to the libsystemd-pam integration. [05:09] aaaah [05:11] still i dream some get we get rid of this black holes between each element [05:12] grub -> black screen with white sign for 1 sec -> plymouth -> black screen with some error messages -> sddm [05:13] session -> logout -> black screen with cursor -> black screen -> sddm [05:20] *blink* [05:20] the new apt sure got a lot more efficient with updating pkg lists [05:29] yup [05:31] yofel: Frameworsk 5.17 are done ? [05:31] note quite, still fiddling with oxygen-icons [05:31] ah, ok [05:32] but that's the last thing [05:35] hmm where should i report missing translation: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/06/snapshot47.png ? === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.2: W/TODO X/WIP, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.0: W/TODO X/WIP, FW 5.17: W/TODO X/WIP | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | No, plasma 5.5 isn't packaged yet [05:41] apps 15.08.3 released to ppa [05:43] +1 [05:43] backports or archive ? [05:44] updates ppa [05:44] archive whenever I actually get to that [05:44] mparillo: maybe some announcement ^ [05:44] or a motu [05:45] let me actually try to write the announcement, I *should* have permission for that [05:45] :) [05:56] sddm uploaded to archive [05:57] nice :) [05:59] we should somehow fix this plasmashell crash when checking updates [06:00] it also happens when system checks for update sin the background [06:00] right, there's a trigger for the updates display that's crashing it [06:01] I don't know where that is though [06:09] soee: can you see this? https://kubuntu.org/?p=2478&preview=true [06:10] now lets test if this oxygen trickery actually works [06:11] yofel: no [06:11] meh [06:12] soee: as I really just want a text opinion: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14417935/ [06:14] yofel: looks good, valorie ^can you also check it ? [06:14] reading [06:19] I suggest for the first couple of paragraphs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14417955/ [06:19] slight changes from yours [06:20] ack, that's nicer [06:20] thanks [06:21] * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} yofel [06:21] you've been a brick [06:21] with that we can finally get rid of our missing news bug ^^ [06:21] yes! [06:22] I was thinking of that this morning [06:22] Now let me wait for the publisher to actually put the 15.08.3 binaries in the ppa, then I'll press publish [06:23] and the moment I say that, it finishes... [06:23] \o/ [06:30] ok, oxygen-icons provides seems to do the job, but this will need forcing somewhere to actually get installed [06:35] Published [06:36] yay! [06:37] yofel: can you remove paragraph tag around ppa, and add center style on blockqute ? [06:37] now this paragraph edds extra margin [06:38] good point, that looks weird [06:39] meh, something adds the paragraph anyway [06:40] :/ [06:40] let me just force the margin to 0 [06:40] there we go [06:40] :) [06:44] mparillo: spreed the word through social media [06:45] now where was I.. [06:45] ah another good news for me: Web developers rejoice; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday :D [06:45] \o/ [06:46] how do they die? [06:46] great job yofel [06:46] microsoft wont publish any updates for them anymore [06:46] so soon they will be unsafe etc. [06:46] http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2016/01/05/web-developers-rejoice-internet-explorer-8-9-and-10-die-on-tuesday/ [06:46] well, that leaves us to support zombies :P [06:47] :D [06:47] i think we can remove 15.08.3 infor from topic [06:48] *to make it cleaner [06:48] not until the SRU is out [06:48] oh [06:49] shadeslayer: do you think you could look into uploading plasma and apps to wily-proposed sometime? The packageset for wily is so broken that I don't think fixing it is worth the trouble [06:50] we should concentrate on 16.04 :) === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.2: X/WIP, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.0: X/WIP, FW 5.17: X/WIP | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | No, plasma 5.5 isn't packaged yet [06:50] I removed the TODOs, we know that even without that being written there [06:51] I've published the news on our official social media: G+ FB TW [06:51] ovidiu-florin: cool, thank you [06:51] thanks! [06:51] I don't have access to linkedin [06:51] Riddell: ^ [06:58] yofel: I see there are some problems with kwin, can you tell me something about them, so that I'm also in the loop? [06:58] ovidiu-florin: there are? [06:58] besides the problem on my desktop right now [06:58] I'm reffering tot the packaging [06:59] or have they been resolved? [06:59] I don't think there's anything left with kwin [06:59] plasma is done except for the lib mess in discover and the requried ksnapshot 15.12 [06:59] * soee thinks plasma 5.5 has ugly highlights in task manager :/ [07:00] I'm just looking at ECM docs, but that's shipping embedeed JS :( [07:00] W: extra-cmake-modules: embedded-javascript-library usr/share/doc/ECM/html/_static/jquery.js please use libjs-jquery [07:00] W: extra-cmake-modules: embedded-javascript-library usr/share/doc/ECM/html/_static/underscore.js please use libjs-underscore [07:00] updating right now [07:01] valorie: plasma ? [07:01] I added the kubuntu-ppa and and did the usual [07:02] just as our story advised [07:03] ah well, nobody reads the shipped ECM docs anyway [07:04] restarting [07:07] looking good! [07:07] so I guess frameworks is.. done... [07:07] let me make a note about the icon rename though [07:15] yofel: apps are also problematic this time ? [07:15] well, a couple of them [07:16] although most of the red comes from too old frameworks [07:16] I copied that over earlier and am retrying things now [07:16] ah good to know :) [07:16] that sounds hopeful [07:26] sgclark: could you please add the current "official" backports workflow to the KA readme? [07:27] I don't really get how you're supposed to do that [07:50] question: is xenial updated now? [07:50] if so, I could test on my travel lappy [07:50] the archive? not for a long time [07:50] ok [07:50] I can put frameworks into the landing ppa if you want to test that, that's ~safe [07:51] maybe tomorrow [07:51] might even put plasma there. discover can't be uploaded in its state, but that's purely policy issues [07:51] so it's mostly applications which have to wait? [07:51] yes [07:52] and figuring out autopackagetest stuff in proposed [07:52] once you've done that, perhaps put out a call for testing? [07:53] would be cool to have a base for the applications to test against, right? [07:53] im on Plasma 5.5.2 and Frameworks 5.17 since week :D [07:53] what are you running, soee? [07:54] valorie: Kubuntu Xenial [07:54] but with what ppa? [07:54] s [07:54] I've not upgraded that lappy for a few weeks [07:54] staging-* [07:54] ah [07:55] i'm using builds we have there atm [07:58] reminder again: don't use staging unless you're prepared to enter dpkg commands at some point [07:58] yes i'm aware of that :) [07:59] * soee thinks it is boring when everything works just fine ... [07:59] I'm fine with minor breakage personally, I'm just not fine if we end up doing package changes where you have to manually downgrade stuff to get your dependencies working again etc. [08:00] which does happen in staging [08:02] frameworks didn't help a lot building apps [08:02] well, they're failing for proper reasons now [08:02] :/ [09:14] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiCore.so.4.89.0: undefined reference to `typeinfo for Akonadi::Protocol::Command' [09:14] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiCore.so.4.89.0: undefined reference to `Akonadi::Protocol::SelectCollectionCommand::SelectCollectionCommand(Akonadi::Scope const&)' [09:14] collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status [09:14] I think our current apps packages are junk... [09:38] hey [09:51] hi [10:25] yofel: I have include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/3/debian-qt-kde.mk in the rules [10:26] yofel: the current apps packaging are junk? [10:26] I been wasting my time this past few days on junk?!? [10:27] yofel: 4:2015.12-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1 version set this way because of spectacle ? [10:27] *ksnapshot [10:28] soee: that's what upstream went with for the last ksnapshot release... [10:28] it's the plasma 5.5 compatibility one [10:28] ah, ok :) [10:28] otherwise printscreen won't work [10:28] until spectacle is done [10:28] and spectacle is planned for 5.6 ? [10:28] it's in apps 15.12 [10:28] uhm [10:29] not done yet [10:29] clivejo: I'm just wondering how akonadi-search would fail like that [10:29] clivejo: and the only idea that I can come up with is akonadi+FW5.15 + akonadi-search+FW5.17 -> boom [10:30] ovidiu-florin: I added you to kubuntu company on linkedin [10:30] clivejo: why didn't you copy frameworks before you uploaded apps? [10:31] Riddell: thank you [10:31] yofel: I didnt know :/ [10:31] HI folks [10:31] Riddell: I miss you :D [10:31] ovidiu-florin: come to fosdem then :) [10:32] clivejo: I think for now we can continue with things as they are, I'll just upload an akonadi rebuild as a test [10:32] clivejo: once we have FW 5.18 done we'll have to do a rebuild test anyway [10:32] I thought (probably assumed) that the apps staging paa would have the frameworks and plasma staging as included PPA's [10:32] I removed any deps from all ppas [10:33] oh [10:33] they depend on the primary archive with proposed, nothing more [10:33] did they used to? [10:33] just wondering where I got that idea from [10:33] they did [10:34] which makes the idea of having seperate ppas useless if work in one PPA has side-effects on work in another [10:34] sorry, I didnt know that [10:34] but it explains a few things [10:34] Riddell: I'm just an employee now [10:34] they also depended on a bunch of other PPAs that nobody seemed to remember and then people were wondering why they have strange build results [10:34] I don't have posting rights [10:35] so now we work in pristine environments. If you need something from other PPAs, copy it [10:35] Kubuntu is a comapny? [10:35] it is on linkedin [10:35] Riddell: releasing 5.5.3 today ? [10:35] that's the only thing they understand ^^ [10:35] a virtual one, or a real one? [10:35] ovidiu-florin: try now [10:36] grrrr, someone please please help me with knavalbattle, its driving me crazy [10:36] I know its something simple, but I cant see it! [10:37] sec [10:37] Riddell: thank you [10:38] clivejo: you broke the control file [10:39] protip: use a text editor with syntax highlighting ;) [10:40] where did I break it? [10:40] I'll leave finding that out to you as a leaning experience [10:40] *learning [10:40] you evil man! [10:41] :P [10:41] I already gave you a tip [10:41] should be fairly easy to spot as the syntax is invalid [10:41] what text editor offers syntax highlighing? [10:42] I personally use vim, but it seem like kate works too for this [10:43] should wrap-and-sort not fix that? [10:43] soee: I'll check with plasma devs to see if they're happy [10:44] it can only work on stuff that it can read, and for that the syntax needs to be correct [10:44] is that it? [10:44] a space [10:44] yep [10:44] Sections start at char 1 of a line, not 2 [10:44] **** **** ******** **** **** of a thing [10:44] ^^ [10:45] if someone can confirm, please do: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357613 [10:45] KDE bug 357613 in notifier "Misleading notification after updates installation" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:45] thats been bugging me all yesterday evening and even had a dream/nightmare about it [10:46] Isn't Apps 15.08.3 complete? http://pastebin.com/W7mpHWtB [10:46] to span the bridge between that and your error: there were simply no build-deps defined [10:46] Odur: yes? [10:47] yofel: Just wonder because I see some 15.08.2 apps (eg telepathy) still in my installation after updating. [10:48] Odur: we don't update packages that weren't changed in bugfix updates [10:48] that's why you still have a lot of .2 packages [10:49] Oh, that explains a lot. Thanks :) [10:50] yofel: did you copy in the required frameworks to apps 15.12.0? [10:50] I just copied everything [10:50] although, I deleted breeze-icons later, but I don't think we need that [10:50] have you a script to rebuild everything? [10:51] theoretically yes, but I would postpone that until we have 5.18 done, for now there's lots of other stuff to fix [10:51] oh right, I wanted to upload akonadi [10:52] have you staged FW 5.18 yet? [10:52] nope, was still finishing something in 5.17 [10:53] let me copy that to landing, then we can stage that [10:53] *shakes head* hurry up :P [10:53] :) [10:55] copied, go ahead === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.2: X/WIP, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.0: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/WIP | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | No, plasma 5.5 isn't packaged yet [10:58] s/5.17/5.18 [10:58] frameworks 5.18 were released ? [10:59] release is on saturday, but tarballs are up [10:59] ahh.. :) [11:00] I am reading the backlog and am pleased to see the link to: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-4-3-and-applications-15-08-3-for-kubuntu-15-10/ Previously (http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=424), I had noted that 5.4.3 was available in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports. Is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa closer to the 'regular updates channel'? [11:00] yes [11:02] and with that I mean wily-updates [11:04] yofel: can we lso do some cleanup and remove from status pages all outdated entries? [11:05] I think that's really something that the cronjob should be doing [11:05] feel free to send a patch [11:06] where is the whole script ? :D [11:07] that's what's called by cron: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/ppa-build-status-cron [11:12] sofpedia spreads the word: http://news.softpedia.com/news/kubuntu-15-10-gets-plasma-5-4-3-and-applications-15-08-3-498510.shtml [11:12] hey xD [11:13] hi again [11:13] * yofel realizes that he still didn't upload akonadi [11:14] done [11:14] RoninLIfe: say sometgin more :D we already know you know "hi/hey" word :) [11:16] i tryed to but you kept disconnecting yesterday [11:16] haha [11:17] excellent efforts people :) [11:17] Soee [11:18] ah i see :) [11:18] Thanks for the source code [11:18] im going to do it [11:20] yofel: and this file kubuntu-ppa-build-status-cron.conf ? [11:21] soee: e.g. https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/build-status-conf/applications.conf [11:23] I think all you need to do is list all files in the status dir, grep -v the current version and delete everything else [11:24] i never did anything like those scripts :) so i first have to get familiar with it [11:25] it's just a shell script, and shell scripting is always good to know ;) [11:32] The following packages will be REMOVED: [11:32] breeze kgamma5 kubuntu-desktop libkf5activitiesexperimentalstats1 plasma-desktop plasma-widgets-addons [11:32] eeek [11:33] ah great, frameworks 5.17 isn't installable without plasma 5.5 [11:38] * clivejo face palms [11:40] @KCC you should be the ones making the announces, not softpedia et al :P [11:41] * clivejo dreams of a time where kubuntu.org is the first and last stop regarding all things Kubuntu [11:41] clivejo: that IS our news :P https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-4-3-and-applications-15-08-3-for-kubuntu-15-10 [11:42] congrats!!!! [11:43] * yofel wonders what that ark test failure is trying to tell him o.O [11:44] * clivejo has wondered that too [11:44] is it a missing desktop file? [11:44] not sure, it's talking about a .menu file, but that's for debians ancient custom menu system... [11:45] * yofel goes reading the test [11:46] we have a tests folder in the packaging [11:46] could that be changing something [11:46] that should be autopkgtest stuff I think? [11:55] I wonder what changed, the 15.08 test runs fine [11:56] kerfuffle [11:56] means" a commotion or fuss, especially one caused by conflicting views." [11:57] lol [11:59] aptly named [11:59] hm, lots of changes since 15.08 in ark, but the kde ci builds are fine [12:00] that is strange# [12:10] yofel: which CI builds are fine? [12:10] https://build.kde.org/job/ark%20Applications-15.12%20stable-kf5-qt5/ [12:12] this might be something we have to autopkgtest, as you might need ark INSTALLED to run the test [12:12] lets test that idea [12:13] yep, that work [12:13] s [12:13] * yofel disables tests at build-time [12:25] and akonadi-search still doesn't build [12:26] * clivejo kicks akonadi [12:29] oh [12:29] Not in PPA: kde-baseapps, kdepim, kdepim-runtime, kdepimlibs, libkdcraw, marble, spectacle, kde-l10n, [12:29] kdepimlibs missing might actually be relevant here [12:30] I dont undertsand the PIM [12:31] they are in the manual folder [12:31] someone obviously didn't update the versions in CMakeLists.txt [12:31] if I build akonadi-search locally it just plain doesn't compile [12:32] let me upload the pim stuff [12:32] you didn't update the versions in packaging-exceptions.json, so the script probably failed [12:32] actually, I think I didn't do that either last time... [12:33] well, kdepimlibs here I come [12:39] kdepimlibs and kde-baseapps up [12:40] kdepim up [12:41] kdepim-runtime up [12:42] libkdcraw up [12:44] marble up [12:58] - _ZN7Akonadi13MessageStatusaSERKS0_@Base 15.07.90 [12:58] +#MISSING: 4:15.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1# _ZN7Akonadi13MessageStatusaSERKS0_@Base 15.07.90 [12:58] *sigh* [13:00] yofel: sure, if you can tell me the command I need to run [13:01] heh, I'll tell you once I remember that myself [13:01] ^^ [13:01] yofel: is on fire today! [13:08] Remove MessageStatus::operator= [-Wclazy-rule-of-two] [13:08] The auto-generated one is fine and the class didn't implement a [13:08] copy-ctor. [13:08] are we the only people that care about the ABI -.-? [13:09] yofel: I care cause you care :) [13:09] you would care for other reasons as well once an application crashes on you because someone broke the ABI in a lib [13:10] I dont understand ABI :/ [13:10] * yofel remembers qt4.6 *shudder* [13:11] clivejo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface [13:12] yeah, but I dont know how it works in packaging [13:12] magic [13:12] dark magic is seems [13:12] it [13:22] So guys. 5.4.3 just released as updates, and what about 5.5? [13:23] It's a long time already after the release [13:23] sheytan: working on it [13:23] WIP [13:23] any release date? [13:23] ASAP [13:24] once the problems are fixed [13:24] actually, let me copy it to landing, muon needs fixing, but nothing that will screw people over [13:24] * clivejo hi-fives yofel [13:25] clivejo: did you look at 5.18? [13:25] yofel: no, Im working on artikulate [13:25] ok, then I'll upload it [13:25] Its building locally but failing autotests [13:25] 1/2 Test #2: TestLanguageFiles ................***Exception: Other 0.47 sec [13:25] QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display [13:26] I need to test with that fake frame buffer? [13:26] yep [13:26] remind me again how we did that! [13:26] override_dh_auto_test: [13:26] xvfb-run dh_auto_test [13:26] * clivejo takes notes this time [13:27] and don't forget the build-dep [13:28] whats the dep again? [13:28] can't remember, try dpkg -S xvfb-run or so [13:29] !info xvfb [13:29] xvfb (source: xorg-server): Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.17.2-1ubuntu9.1 (wily), package size 800 kB, installed size 2330 kB [13:32] moszumanska is as slow as always... [13:33] yofel: once I exit out of a pbuild, are the files I was working on saved ? [13:33] no [13:33] I forgot to copy the control file [13:33] grr [13:35] o.O [13:35] - extra-cmake-modules (>= 5.16.0~), [13:35] + extra-cmake-modules (>= 5.17.0~), [13:35] I'm uploading 5.18, wth does this script do.. [13:35] we have a versions.json, seriously... [13:38] no, that still doesn't do what it's supposed to do [13:40] :/ [13:42] great, our scripts have a chicken and egg problem [13:43] dev-package-name-lists can only update the lists with versions that are in git, those are then used to bump build-deps during staging-upload [13:43] but as that adds a new version, the deps are already wrong [13:45] yofel: artikulate is still failing the tests :( [13:45] FAIL! : TestCourseFiles::fileLoadSaveCompleteness() 'manager.courseResources(manager.languageResources().first()->language()).count() == 1' returned FALSE. () [13:45] Loc: [../../autotests/testcoursefiles.cpp(86)] [13:45] no idea what that means [13:45] Ill commit the fixes Ive done so far and upload to PPA [13:46] it looks like santa's changes broke the existing workflow [13:49] not good :( [13:49] let me monkey patch stuff [13:52] meh, too complicated, I'll just edit stuff by hand [13:52] * clivejo has to go do some plumbing, yofel will you have a look at artikulate ppa3 when its finsihed building and let me know what it is complaining about! [13:52] if I get to it, sure [13:53] and if there are easy fixes, make a list and Ill do them later [13:53] easy fixes = something I can do! [13:54] now let me try to update to plasma 5.5 [13:57] Unpacking plasma-desktop-data (4:5.5.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2) over (4:5.4.3-0ubuntu1) ... [13:57] dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-desktop-data_4%3a5.5.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): [13:57] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kcm_device_automounter.mo', which is also in package kde-l10n-engb 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1 [13:57] oh right, there was that -.- [13:58] will there be version bump for kf5? [13:59] yes [14:01] okay... /me postpones updating frameworks for mobile I [14:01] *CI [14:01] I'm just generating the packages, so the bump should be committed in an ~hour [14:15] Riddell: regarding above overwrite error, does kde plan to abandon the l10n packs? [14:16] yofel: l10n packs are still part of kde applications releases [14:16] just not frameworks and plasma [14:16] why are plasma and FW not using them? [14:17] because they're not released along with applications [14:17] you could argue we could have plasma-l10n and fw-l10n tars but I think it becomes more bother than its worth then [14:17] arguably it already is [14:17] you could just release l10n every time you release something.. [14:17] but nvm [14:18] just that moving stuff out of l10n means that we need to break/replace ALL l10n packages [14:18] yofel: kde-l10n-common has debian/overlapping-files [14:18] which should remove files that are moved out [14:19] Riddell: and that helps me how in this case? [14:20] it should remove it from kde-l10n-engb 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1 but indeed it would still need a replace/break [14:20] right [14:29] What's the diffrent status colours on the build status page? Red=failed, green=OK i think. But blue and orange? [14:29] blue: not yet built for various reaons [14:30] orange: has issues, but nothing that completely breaks the package [14:30] issues like linitian errors? [14:30] lintian, new symbols, stuff like that, yeah [14:31] Ok, thanks :) Trying to learn about your workflow in the background :) [14:46] bshah: kf5 5.18 committed [14:47] awesomio === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [15:25] I'm looking at /etc/init.d/sddm and see HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER= option. But I'm not clear if setting this for lightdm will prevent sddm from running or if it will still load but defer to lightdm. Does anyone know? [15:26] ( right now both are loading anyways) [15:28] * genii looks over at shadeslayer [15:37] Guess I'll have to experiment [15:39] genii: you'll probably rather have to figure out how /lib/systemd/system/sddm.service etc. works [15:39] yofel: This may require more coffee then... [15:39] * genii goes to make a fresh batch [15:40] the postinst script also has some complex default-display-manager handling related to systemd [15:42] For a "Simple Desktop Display Manager" this thing is quite complex [15:43] about as simple as lightdm is "light" [15:43] Touche ;) [15:48] genii: I'd think that debconf selections disables sddm when you enable lightdm [15:48] and vice versa [15:53] shadeslayer: I originally started with sddm but because I have a dead screen on my laptop and it wants to span displays I couldn't login and had to switch to lightdm where it has separate login for each. But ps shows both running for some reason ( although lightdm is what I'm seeing on the external screen and how I'm loggin in) [15:54] huh [15:54] that's odd [15:55] genii: sddm 0.13 actually puts the login prompt on all displays for me. [15:58] mamarley: Ah, I've got 0.11 (Vivid) [15:59] ..wanted to get my inverter replaced before I go to Wily or Xenial in case I have to wrestle with display managers over ssh again [16:01] he sensed the question slowly crawling near him from the shadows ^^ [16:01] Heh [16:02] Maybe dpkg-reconfigure gdm doesn't stop sddm from running or something [16:03] s/gdm/lightdm [16:46] meh, our epoch handling was broken again [16:46] (also partly affects fw 5.17) [16:47] namely: plasma-framework, sonnet, solid and threadweaver [17:11] yofel: there were 2 env variables to be set for debian packagind [17:11] one with name and one with email [17:11] DEBEMAIL is one [17:11] what's the other? [17:11] DEBFULLNAME [17:14] yofel: I see fw 5.18.0 but no uploads yet? [17:14] I had to emergency delete everything [17:14] the packages ended up with epoch [17:14] eakk [17:14] how? [17:15] I made a mistake when I removed the epoch blacklisting for frameworks [17:15] yofel is human after all :P [17:16] and I suffer like one, I also had to delete stuff from the CI to fix it -.- [17:16] for some reason only 4 of the 5.17 packages are broken as well [17:16] but the delete is so weird in LP [17:16] will have cause you problems uploading again? [17:17] I tried re-uploading, but everything got rejected because of file conflicts thanks to the slow janitor [17:17] building another set right now [17:17] can staging generate ppa2 automatically? [17:17] * genii makes some really strong coffee and passes the mugs around [17:17] the staging script I mean [17:18] not that I know of, I'm scripting that by hand [17:18] eakkk [17:18] clivejo: wait, yofel is human? [17:18] apparently so [17:18] 0100010111010010011 [17:18] I thought he was a machine [17:19] so did I [17:19] the yofel bot [17:19] right [17:19] !botsnack [17:19] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [17:19] LOL# [17:20] what happened to kubottu ? [17:20] yofel: ready for the meeting ? [17:21] what meeting? [17:21] LOL [17:21] Core meeting before the podcast [17:21] the core one [17:21] not really.. [17:21] tonight [17:21] clivejo: I want to hear you as well [17:21] perhaps even see you [17:21] so I know how you look [17:21] hear me? [17:21] you wont be able to understand me! [17:22] no problem [17:22] you can spreak gibberish [17:22] and my webcam is broke, accidently on purpose [17:22] it's enough to make a synthetizer with your voice :P [17:27] yofel: DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME are set, but when I run dch it does not add the email and timestamp [17:27] yofel: as you can see in https://paste.kde.org/pord0vftl [17:27] what am I missing? [17:27] it won't do it if it edits an existing UNRELEASED changelog, then it'll just add a new section with your DEBFULLNAME [17:28] ok, then can you just use the pastebin ^^ [17:28] ? [17:28] probably [17:29] ovidiu-florin: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/knavalbattle.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive [17:30] uploading the next attempt at fw5.18 [17:30] attempt number two acknowledged [17:30] now it's accepting stuff, finally [17:30] clivejo: also the install files list [17:31] thats the diff you sent, its commited to debian now [17:31] and the package is green [17:32] there was a space before Build-dep line in control file, but I think that was my fault [17:32] which was causing it to fail [17:33] I looked through the log, it's all there [17:34] ovidiu-florin: wanna do libkdcraw? [17:36] clivejo: I want to know I I can get commit access [17:37] soee: so stuff ended up being busted anyway. You'll have to force-downgrade this, but only once we're done with 5.18: [17:37] libkf5sonnet-dev libkf5sonnetcore5 libkf5sonnetui5 libkf5sonnet5-data sonnet-plugins libkf5sonnet5-dbg plasma-framework-dev plasma-framework libkf5plasmaquick5 libkf5plasma5 plasma-framework-dbg libkf5solid-dev libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5solid-bin qtdeclarative5-kf5solid qml-module-org-kde-solid libkf5solid5-dbg libkf5threadweaver-dev libkf5threadweaver5 libkf5threadweaver5-dbg [17:37] need to do a few and get one of us to commit [17:37] probably easiest to dpkg --force-depends -r them and figure stuff out with apt install -f [17:47] what is up with ECM? [17:47] what do you mean? [17:47] they always seem to fail [17:47] unstable != fail [17:48] yet they seem to build sucessfully [17:48] there's a KCI-W in ecm [17:48] yofel: are you still uploading? [17:48] no [17:49] Not in PPA: kactivities-kf5, kdesu, kdnssd-kf5, kfilemetadata-kf5, kwallet-kf5, [17:49] ok, let me look for those [17:49] unstable = ??? [17:49] ovidiu-florin: warning level in kci [17:49] ok, ty [17:50] do we have a legent written somewhere for what the colors mean in build status pages? [17:50] legend* [17:50] no [17:50] I think we had ages ago [17:50] ok, I'll make one now in the notes [17:51] blue: not built yet (needs building, depwait, building, uploading, ...) [17:51] red: FTBFS or otherwise very broken [17:51] orange: minor things like lintian warnings, new symbols, etc. [17:54] green ? [17:54] what's FTBFS ? [17:54] failed to build from source [17:54] well, green is "ok" [17:54] or at least auto-qa ok [17:55] what's auto-qa? [17:55] automated qa [17:55] * clivejo giggles [17:55] ... [17:55] * ovidiu-florin thinks QA means Qwestions / Answers [17:55] * yofel throws old throuts after clivejo :P [17:56] Quality Assurance? ^^ [17:56] clivejo: all uploaded, thanks for the reminder [17:57] Wikipeda ==> Quality assurance (QA) is a way of preventing mistakes or defects in manufactured products and avoiding problems when delivering solutions or services to customers; which ISO 9000 defines as "part of quality management focused on providing confidence that quality requirements will be fulfilled". [17:57] suggests an edit products and software [17:58] thank you for the insight [17:59] yofel: can I give the PPA a kick? [17:59] ./kubuntu-retry-builds -r frameworks --ppa=kubuntu-ppa --ppaname=staging-frameworks --force ? [17:59] no [18:00] awww [18:00] no point in doing that until the publisher runs [18:00] I'm waiting to do the damn same thing [18:01] pity they couldnt be uploaded in order [18:01] we should probably indicate the publisher wait on the status page somehow [18:01] a ticking clock icon [18:01] considering how slow the publisher is today that wouldn't have changed much... [18:02] possibly, yeah [18:02] sgclark: ping [18:02] valorie: ping [18:02] ovidiu-florin: is the core meeting in an hour? [18:02] yes [18:02] * clivejo goes and looks for food [18:05] shame we cant poke the publisher [18:06] it finished 30mins ago [18:07] Published 22 minutes ago [18:07] :/ [18:10] interesting how annoying a blinking gear can be :P [18:18] FINALLY [18:18] and.. retr [18:18] y [18:22] bbiab [18:29] sgclark, why is there libkdegames4? and why things are not using libkdegames? [18:30] fyi libkdemages4 now started to ftbfs, due to changes in symbols files, and i'm not sure if i should upload a diff dropping them. [18:30] from test rebuild https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20151218.1-xenial-baseline/+build/8534234 [18:30] http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20151218.1-xenial-baseline-xenial.html [18:41] xnox: those are gccinternal symbols and can go, but now that you mention libkdegames4, the whole source might be obsolete by now [18:41] let me verify that [18:49] xnox: it seem that for now we still have a bunch of games that rely on libkdegames4, so it'll have to stay [18:55] Hi Everyone. [18:55] Core Team Hangout, will be starting @7pm UTC [19:16] sitter: are you around? [19:50] * yofel throws another large sets of throuts at launchpads janitor === 77CAAHGAP is now known as invalid [19:55] yofel: what does failed to upload mean? [19:56] open the the build page, there you have a link to the upload log [19:56] that'll tell you what went wrong [19:56] essentially that means that the builder wasn't able to upload the build result to the PPA [19:56] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233198899/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.kdbusaddons_5.18.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz [19:56] looks successful [19:57] clivejo: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks/+build/8809408 [19:57] there's an uploadlog [19:57] eakk [19:57] failed to upload only can happen after successfull builds [19:58] we'll have to wait until the janitor physically deletes the "deleted" binaries, then we can retry this stuff [19:58] :( [19:58] that might take a couple hours though :/ [19:58] I dont like janitor [19:59] so some of your ppa1 packages got built? [19:59] and made binary babies [19:59] yes, *with* the epoch, and those zombies are now blocking stuff [19:59] eak [20:00] that's why you don't mess this stuff up, ever -.- [20:00] meh [20:00] * clivejo makes notes [20:00] dont do what yofel did, ever [20:00] at least now you learnt what that launchpad can fail to upload stuff ;P [20:01] s/what// [20:01] and epoch's are evil [20:02] networkmanager failed to build [20:02] is that going to be another problem? [20:02] o.O [20:03] didn't I remove those symbols? [20:03] surprise!! [20:03] their back! [20:03] they're [20:04] let me c&p the symbolfile from a 5.17 build and see what the diff is [20:04] http://youtu.be/lYiEQd2QZcs [20:05] yes, I did remove them... [20:05] wth [20:06] maybe I forgot to push /o\ [20:12] push phillip push! [20:12] I did this time :P [20:12] its a networkmanager baby! [20:17] @podcast: LOL [20:19] yofel you watching the podcast? [20:20] yep [20:22] Ive stalled [20:44] will plasma 5.6 make it into 16.04? [20:45] 5.6 is set for 2016-03-22 [20:45] so it would be real close [20:46] It will almost definitely be in one of the PPAs though. [20:47] PPAs certainly, release... dunno. Event the beta release is after our beta1 milestone... === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [21:06] yippeeeeeee [21:07] Heh [21:32] hm, we need to do an archive cleanup check at some point [21:33] I just found out that we have 3 useless l10n packges in the archive by coincidence [21:37] aaand I found a bug in our pkg-kde-tools merge [21:38] this day is getting better every minute [21:41] whats the bug? [21:42] debian: kde-l10n-cavalencia, ubuntu: kde-l10n-ca-valencia [21:42] breaks the kde-l10n:all substvar [21:45] and thats one of the worst ones to break :/ [21:45] well, it really just messes with the valencia package, but not nice [21:46] I think we need some defined package list that we should be using for upgrade tests [21:46] have you tried restarting a failed to upload FW? [21:46] there I had the idea to install kde-l10n-* and boom, two issues slap me right in the face [21:46] no, I know that they'll fail again [21:47] how do you know when the files have actually been deleted? [21:47] I'm looking at the package deletion page, that shows sources in "Deleted" state [21:47] as long as they're visible, stuff stays broken [21:48] could someone on the LP channel hurry it along? [21:48] I don't think the sysadmins mess with the cronjob unless it's a real emergency [22:00] ovidiu-florin: fancy fixing kalgebra? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233127145/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kalgebra_4%3A15.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz [22:00] anything [22:00] but tomorrow [22:00] no prob [22:00] I can't anymore today [22:00] Ill do it :) [22:01] its a missing files one, should be easy enough to fix [22:02] Hi guys! It appears that one is not able to comment on the Kubuntu website at the moment. I tried to leave a comment about the new package release, but I get an error about filling out name / email even though that info. was present. [22:18] comments should be disabled [22:18] ronnoc: [22:18] ovidiu-florin: ok. that's fine. perhaps the comment box should not be visible then? [22:19] ronnoc: I know [22:19] I've fixed it now [22:19] OK :) [22:19] some people forget to disable them ( yofel ) :P [22:20] * yofel thought they were disabled in general... [22:20] I copied my positive comment to the clippy, so I'll head over to G+ and comment there :) [22:20] yeah... WP does not allow you to do that [22:20] without installing a plugin [22:20] ovidiu-florin: turn them off globally [22:21] Settings>Discussion>Allow people to post comments [22:21] saves you having to do it manually on each page [22:28] clivejo: done, thanks [22:29] * ovidiu-florin ZZZzzzzz..... [22:29] nooooo, after all the fixed stuff -.- [22:29] you updated it to 4.4.1? [22:29] ovidiu-florin: ^ [22:32] clivejo: 4.4.0 right now [22:32] check for updates [22:32] 4.4.1 is bug release [22:32] I saw it, but I'm not sure if we do that or canonical IS [22:33] Id so it ASAP :P [22:33] do [22:33] well, lets hang up a vodoo doll and pray that nothing happens until tomorrow [22:33] * clivejo is updating all his sites [22:34] now I'm curious what they fixed... [22:34] * yofel looks [22:35] fixes a cross-site scripting vulnerability [22:36] and approx 50 other minor bugs [22:38] yofel: can you help me with kdesdk-thumbnailers? [22:39] sec [22:39] it looks like an install file change# [22:39] so I commented out the kde4 files and run it in pbuilder [22:39] it completes but the two packages are empty and no reports of missing lists [22:40] it doesnt seem to build any files either :/ [22:44] ah ahhah ahahhhaaha [22:44] another badly split and/or partly migrated thing [22:44] it only contains one thumnailer, and you're missing the one optional build-dep that's required to build that [22:44] so even though you have all required deps, it doesn't actually do anything useful [22:45] * yofel has a kgamma dejavĂș [22:45] what build dep am I missing? [22:45] -- The following OPTIONAL packages have not been found: [22:45] * GettextPO [22:46] libgettextpo-dev ? [22:47] * genii sacrifices a small vegetarian mammal to the voodoo doll [22:47] dunno, install it and see if it helps [22:47] heh [22:50] I had another one like this, cant remember the name :/ [22:50] welcome to the world where people split stuff out and don't care what happens to the remains........ [22:51] ok that seems to have worked, built 3 files [22:53] ooo Neon hook is fixed! [22:55] it is nice to have the crashes gone ^^ [22:56] yeah scared the life outta me the first time it happened [22:56] thought Id done something wrong === 16WAAH2WZ is now known as invalid [22:58] hi Blizzz# [22:58] welcome to FOSS development, where you either develop an ignorance shield against all kinds of complaints after a while or quit doing it [22:58] hi BluesKaj [23:00] wow 400Mb of updates [23:00] hi clivejo , i'm stick ing around later then usual to seei if plasma 5.5 will be ready soon [23:00] not today [23:00] unless launchpad shows some mercy [23:00] hey clivejo [23:00] ok yofel thanks [23:00] sorry BluesKaj, run into more problems [23:01] soory Blizzz, my autocomplete malfunctioned :/ [23:01] no need to be sorry [23:02] ok I'll see you guys tomorrow [23:02] clivejo: no worried :) [23:02] * yofel remembers the last couple weeks [23:02] s/worried/worries [23:02] clivejo: you've been doing like 500% the work of the official devs, you may feel awesome :P [23:03] I feel smelly! [23:03] not awesome! [23:03] lol [23:04] the plumbing job was in a cattle shed! [23:04] ouch [23:06] yofel: mind scanning over artikulate --> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233164504/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.artikulate_4%3A15.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa3_BUILDING.txt.gz [23:07] no idea whats wrong there :/ [23:07] I asked in kde-dev and noone answered :( [23:08] what does that even test..... [23:08] * clivejo shrugs [23:10] should I bump /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/dhmk.mk to 3? [23:10] for kf5, yes [23:11] think that will make a difference to the tests? [23:11] maybe not, but it will prevent other possible silent breakage [23:11] iirc it sets paths and stuff like that for frameworks [23:12] tests are xvfb-run [23:12] could that make a difference? [23:15] yofel: is there a way to grep through the archive for /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2 and bump them to 3? [23:16] feel free to clone all repos and do the greb [23:16] *p [23:16] but don't update anything that's still qt4 [23:16] well I still have apps cloned locally in workspace/apps [23:19] nope, bumping to 3 doesnt solve the test issue [23:19] Schema at file "" is invalid. sounds wrong [23:20] uh, looking at the test code this might be another ark... [23:20] but this time out of lazyness [23:21] oh? [23:22] clivejo: look at init() in autotests/testcoursefiles.cpp [23:22] I am [23:22] there is nothing there [23:22] there is a fixme there [23:22] TODO [23:23] uncomment KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceDir("appdata" , "./autotests/data"); ? [23:23] I wouldn't do that, if upstream says that's broken I believe them [23:24] yep, works once you install it [23:24] so... skipit [23:25] phoney? [23:25] in rules? [23:25] yep [23:25] thats cheating [23:25] EDONTCARE [23:25] or well, we can autopkgtest this [23:26] but other than actually fixing the test there's no way to get this to work during build time [23:33] yofel: should I comment out the current autotest and leave a FIXME notice or remove them completely? [23:33] might as well leave a fixme [23:34] it should be fixed in future releases? [23:34] maybe [23:35] LOL I sense you dont see that happening! [23:35] any time soon anyways [23:36] I've seen a lot of disable tests in the packages from debian, so I'm not sure if we should [23:37] which reminds me...... [23:37] we never did merge apps with debian, did we? [23:38] this is true [23:38] * clivejo didnt do it [23:52] so, launchpad deleted *some* packages o.O [23:53] I retried *some* packages [23:56] anyway, off to bed. work tomorrow [23:58] night night yofel [23:59] * clivejo goes to bed too