[00:00] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: still here? 
[00:00] <clivejo> yup
[00:00] <ovidiu-florin> How would I make the signature you asked for? 
[00:01] <clivejo> when you run dch it should add you on the changelog 
[00:02] <ovidiu-florin> That is in the diff I've sent you 
[00:02] <clivejo> the diff has me as the last one editing it
[00:02] <ovidiu-florin> That's what dch did
[00:03] <ovidiu-florin> How should I change it? 
[00:03] <clivejo> it should put your email address and details on it
[00:04] <ovidiu-florin> Obviously some environment variables aren't set
[00:04] <clivejo> have you your deb email etc set?
[00:04] <ovidiu-florin> I forgot which they are 
[00:04] <ovidiu-florin> AFAIK no 
[00:05] <ovidiu-florin> Is there a guide for that? 
[00:06] <clivejo> in ~/.bashrc add export EMAIL=clivejo@aol.com
[00:06] <clivejo> export DEBEMAIL=clivejo@aol.com
[00:06] <clivejo> but replace the email with your own :P
[00:06] <ovidiu-florin> You use AOL?
[00:06] <clivejo> yeah, was a stupid idea
[00:07] <clivejo> I didnt think Id be any good at packaging 
[00:07] <ovidiu-florin> Can you please add that in the setup section of the notes? 
[00:07] <clivejo> and when Jon helped me get setup it was the one I typed in
[00:07] <ovidiu-florin> I'm on mobile and in bed... 
[00:08] <clivejo> Im just about to go to bed myself
[00:08] <ovidiu-florin> I'm during a midnight sleep break 
[00:08] <clivejo> Ive broken that package and cant for the life of me figure out what Ive done wrong
[00:10] <ovidiu-florin> Quassel on Android won't let me select and copy chat text
[00:11]  * ovidiu-florin goes back to sleep 
[00:12] <clivejo> night night
[00:12] <ovidiu-florin> Good night 
[01:37] <mamarley> soee_: Sorry, but nvidia-361 appears to be severely bugged and most applications (including SDDM, krunner, and plasmashell) segfault immediately upon starting.  I won't be uploading this one.
[01:40] <soee_> ha :D
[01:40] <soee_> nvidia devs are aware of this problems ?
[01:41] <mamarley> I don't think so, but I will let them know.
[01:41] <soee_> cool, thank you.
[01:42] <mamarley> The KDE crash handler also gets quite a detailed stacktrace that should be helpful.
[01:44] <soee_> so they never test drivers before release ?
[01:44] <soee_> like test on various DE?
[01:46] <mamarley> soee_: I have no idea what their testing is like, but I'm pretty sure they didn't test this one on KF5/Plasma5.  This is a beta release and not a final, so...
[01:46] <soee_> yup, but i think beta requires even more tests :)
[01:47]  * mamarley is apparently the guineapig here. :)
[01:59] <mamarley> soee_: If you are interested: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/908506/linux/many-essential-kde-applications-sddm-krunner-plasmashell-segfault-on-startup-with-361-16/
[04:45] <yofel> clivejo: sorry, fell asleep. Your knavalbattle buildlog sounds like you are missing "include" at the beginning of line 3
[05:00] <soee> yofel: black screen when logging out or shutting down system, black screen after playmouth and before sddm - this is plasma fault or ubuntu ?
[05:01] <yofel> soee: could you please try sddm 0.13 from ppa:yofel/ppa and see if that works? (and disable the ppa after that)
[05:02] <yofel> I believe it's some error between sddm and qt 5.5 or something like that
[05:02] <soee> sure, give me few minutes
[05:04] <ScottK> yofel: I think we fixed that in sddm 0.13 packaging.
[05:06] <soee> yofel: done. all works as expected i think. Rebooting, logging, logout->login
[05:07] <yofel> great
[05:07] <soee> one thing i have noticed is that sddm now starts much faster when booting
[05:07] <yofel> ScottK: thanks, that's what I heard, I just didn't get to test it myself yet
[05:07] <soee> so the time plymouth->sddm is lower
[05:07] <yofel> sweet
[05:09] <ScottK> That's thanks to the libsystemd-pam integration.
[05:09] <yofel> aaaah
[05:11] <soee> still i dream some get we get rid of this black holes between each element
[05:12] <soee> grub -> black screen with white sign for 1 sec ->  plymouth -> black screen with some error messages -> sddm
[05:13] <soee> session -> logout -> black screen with cursor -> black screen -> sddm
[05:20] <yofel> *blink*
[05:20] <yofel> the new apt sure got a lot more efficient with updating pkg lists
[05:29] <soee> yup
[05:31] <soee> yofel: Frameworsk 5.17 are done ?
[05:31] <yofel> note quite, still fiddling with oxygen-icons
[05:31] <soee> ah, ok
[05:32] <yofel> but that's the last thing
[05:35] <soee> hmm where should i report missing translation: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/06/snapshot47.png ?
[05:41] <yofel> apps 15.08.3 released to ppa
[05:43] <soee> +1
[05:43] <soee> backports or archive ?
[05:44] <yofel> updates ppa
[05:44] <yofel> archive whenever I actually get to that
[05:44] <soee> mparillo: maybe some announcement ^
[05:44] <yofel> or a motu
[05:45] <yofel> let me actually try to write the announcement, I *should* have permission for that
[05:45] <soee> :)
[05:56] <yofel> sddm uploaded to archive
[05:57] <soee> nice :)
[05:59] <soee> we should somehow fix this plasmashell crash when checking updates
[06:00] <soee> it also happens when system checks for update sin the background
[06:00] <yofel> right, there's a trigger for the updates display that's crashing it
[06:01] <yofel> I don't know where that is though
[06:09] <yofel> soee: can you see this? https://kubuntu.org/?p=2478&preview=true
[06:10] <yofel> now lets test if this oxygen trickery actually works
[06:11] <soee> yofel: no
[06:11] <yofel> meh
[06:12] <yofel> soee: as I really just want a text opinion: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14417935/
[06:14] <soee> yofel: looks good, valorie ^can you also check it ?
[06:14] <valorie> reading
[06:19] <valorie> I suggest for the first couple of paragraphs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14417955/
[06:19] <valorie> slight changes from yours
[06:20] <yofel> ack, that's nicer
[06:20] <yofel> thanks
[06:21]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} yofel
[06:21] <valorie> you've been a brick
[06:21] <yofel> with that we can finally get rid of our missing news bug ^^
[06:21] <valorie> yes!
[06:22] <valorie> I was thinking of that this morning
[06:22] <yofel> Now let me wait for the publisher to actually put the 15.08.3 binaries in the ppa, then I'll press publish
[06:23] <yofel> and the moment I say that, it finishes...
[06:23] <valorie> \o/
[06:30] <yofel> ok, oxygen-icons provides seems to do the job, but this will need forcing somewhere to actually get installed
[06:35] <yofel> Published
[06:36] <valorie> yay!
[06:37] <soee> yofel: can you remove paragraph  tag around ppa, and add center style on blockqute ?
[06:37] <soee> now this paragraph edds extra margin
[06:38] <yofel> good point, that looks weird
[06:39] <yofel> meh, something adds the paragraph anyway
[06:40] <soee> :/
[06:40] <yofel> let me just force the margin to 0
[06:40] <yofel> there we go
[06:40] <soee> :)
[06:44] <soee> mparillo: spreed the word through social media
[06:45] <yofel> now where was I..
[06:45] <soee> ah another good news for me: Web developers rejoice; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday :D
[06:45] <yofel> \o/
[06:46] <ovidiu-florin> how do they die?
[06:46] <ovidiu-florin> great job yofel
[06:46] <soee> microsoft wont publish any updates for them anymore
[06:46] <soee> so soon they will be unsafe etc.
[06:46] <soee> http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2016/01/05/web-developers-rejoice-internet-explorer-8-9-and-10-die-on-tuesday/
[06:46] <yofel> well, that leaves us to support zombies :P
[06:47] <soee> :D
[06:47] <soee> i think we can remove 15.08.3 infor from topic
[06:48] <soee> *to make it cleaner
[06:48] <yofel> not until the SRU is out
[06:48] <soee> oh
[06:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: do you think you could look into uploading plasma and apps to wily-proposed sometime? The packageset for wily is so broken that I don't think fixing it is worth the trouble
[06:50] <soee> we should concentrate on 16.04 :)
[06:50] <yofel> I removed the TODOs, we know that even without that being written there
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> I've published the news on our official social media: G+ FB TW
[06:51] <soee> ovidiu-florin: cool, thank you
[06:51] <yofel> thanks!
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> I don't have access to linkedin
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[06:58] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I see there are some problems with kwin, can you tell me something about them, so that I'm also in the loop?
[06:58] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: there are?
[06:58] <ovidiu-florin> besides the problem on my desktop right now
[06:58] <ovidiu-florin> I'm reffering tot the packaging
[06:59] <ovidiu-florin> or have they been resolved?
[06:59] <yofel> I don't think there's anything left with kwin
[06:59] <yofel> plasma is done except for the lib mess in discover and the requried ksnapshot 15.12
[06:59]  * soee thinks plasma 5.5 has ugly highlights in task manager :/
[07:00] <yofel> I'm just looking at ECM docs, but that's shipping embedeed JS :(
[07:00] <yofel> W: extra-cmake-modules: embedded-javascript-library usr/share/doc/ECM/html/_static/jquery.js please use libjs-jquery
[07:00] <yofel> W: extra-cmake-modules: embedded-javascript-library usr/share/doc/ECM/html/_static/underscore.js please use libjs-underscore
[07:00] <valorie> updating right now
[07:01] <soee> valorie: plasma ?
[07:01] <valorie> I added the kubuntu-ppa and and did the usual
[07:02] <valorie> just as our story advised
[07:03] <yofel> ah well, nobody reads the shipped ECM docs anyway
[07:04] <valorie> restarting
[07:07] <valorie> looking good!
[07:07] <yofel> so I guess frameworks is.. done...
[07:07] <yofel> let me make a note about the icon rename though
[07:15] <soee> yofel: apps are also problematic this time ?
[07:15] <yofel> well, a couple of them
[07:16] <yofel> although most of the red comes from too old frameworks
[07:16] <yofel> I copied that over earlier and am retrying things now
[07:16] <soee> ah good to know :)
[07:16] <valorie> that sounds hopeful
[07:26] <yofel> sgclark: could you please add the current "official" backports workflow to the KA readme?
[07:27] <yofel> I don't really get how you're supposed to do that
[07:50] <valorie> question: is xenial updated now?
[07:50] <valorie> if so, I could test on my travel lappy
[07:50] <yofel> the archive? not for a long time
[07:50] <valorie> ok
[07:50] <yofel> I can put frameworks into the landing ppa if you want to test that, that's ~safe
[07:51] <valorie> maybe tomorrow
[07:51] <yofel> might even put plasma there. discover can't be uploaded in its state, but that's purely policy issues
[07:51] <valorie> so it's mostly applications which have to wait?
[07:51] <yofel> yes
[07:52] <yofel> and figuring out autopackagetest stuff in proposed
[07:52] <valorie> once you've done that, perhaps put out a call for testing?
[07:53] <valorie> would be cool to have a base for the applications to test against, right?
[07:53] <soee> im on Plasma 5.5.2 and Frameworks 5.17 since week :D
[07:53] <valorie> what are you running, soee?
[07:54] <soee> valorie: Kubuntu Xenial
[07:54] <valorie> but with what ppa?
[07:54] <valorie> s
[07:54] <valorie> I've not upgraded that lappy for a few weeks
[07:54] <soee> staging-*
[07:54] <valorie> ah
[07:55] <soee> i'm using builds we have there atm
[07:58] <yofel> reminder again: don't use staging unless you're prepared to enter dpkg commands at some point
[07:58] <soee> yes i'm aware of that :)
[07:59]  * soee thinks it is boring when everything works just fine ...
[07:59] <yofel> I'm fine with minor breakage personally, I'm just not fine if we end up doing package changes where you have to manually downgrade stuff to get your dependencies working again etc.
[08:00] <yofel> which does happen in staging
[08:02] <soee> frameworks didn't help a lot building apps
[08:02] <yofel> well, they're failing for proper reasons now
[08:02] <yofel> :/
[09:14] <yofel> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiCore.so.4.89.0: undefined reference to `typeinfo for Akonadi::Protocol::Command'
[09:14] <yofel> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiCore.so.4.89.0: undefined reference to `Akonadi::Protocol::SelectCollectionCommand::SelectCollectionCommand(Akonadi::Scope const&)'
[09:14] <yofel> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[09:14] <yofel> I think our current apps packages are junk...
[09:38] <RoninLIfe> hey
[09:51] <yofel> hi
[10:25] <clivejo> yofel: I have include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/3/debian-qt-kde.mk in the rules
[10:26] <clivejo> yofel: the current apps packaging are junk?
[10:26] <clivejo> I been wasting my time this past few days on junk?!?
[10:27] <soee> yofel: 4:2015.12-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1 version set this way because of spectacle ?
[10:27] <soee> *ksnapshot
[10:28] <yofel> soee: that's what upstream went with for the last ksnapshot release...
[10:28] <yofel> it's the plasma 5.5 compatibility one
[10:28] <soee> ah, ok :)
[10:28] <yofel> otherwise printscreen won't work
[10:28] <yofel> until spectacle is done
[10:28] <soee> and spectacle is planned for 5.6 ?
[10:28] <yofel> it's in apps 15.12
[10:28] <soee> uhm
[10:29] <yofel> not done yet
[10:29] <yofel> clivejo: I'm just wondering how akonadi-search would fail like that
[10:29] <yofel> clivejo: and the only idea that I can come up with is akonadi+FW5.15 + akonadi-search+FW5.17 -> boom
[10:30] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I added you to kubuntu company on linkedin
[10:30] <yofel> clivejo: why didn't you copy frameworks before you uploaded apps?
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thank you
[10:31] <clivejo> yofel: I didnt know :/
[10:31] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I miss you :D
[10:31] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: come to fosdem then :)
[10:32] <yofel> clivejo: I think for now we can continue with things as they are, I'll just upload an akonadi rebuild as a test
[10:32] <yofel> clivejo: once we have FW 5.18 done we'll have to do a rebuild test anyway
[10:32] <clivejo> I thought (probably assumed) that the apps staging paa would have the frameworks and plasma staging as included PPA's
[10:32] <yofel> I removed any deps from all ppas
[10:33] <clivejo> oh
[10:33] <yofel> they depend on the primary archive with proposed, nothing more
[10:33] <clivejo> did they used to?
[10:33] <clivejo> just wondering where I got that idea from
[10:33] <yofel> they did
[10:34] <yofel> which makes the idea of having seperate ppas useless if work in one PPA has side-effects on work in another
[10:34] <clivejo> sorry, I didnt know that
[10:34] <clivejo> but it explains a few things
[10:34] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'm just an employee now
[10:34] <yofel> they also depended on a bunch of other PPAs that nobody seemed to remember and then people were wondering why they have strange build results
[10:34] <ovidiu-florin> I don't have posting rights
[10:35] <yofel> so now we work in pristine environments. If you need something from other PPAs, copy it
[10:35] <clivejo> Kubuntu is a comapny?
[10:35] <yofel> it is on linkedin
[10:35] <soee> Riddell: releasing 5.5.3 today ?
[10:35] <yofel> that's the only thing they understand ^^
[10:35] <clivejo> a virtual one, or a real one?
[10:35] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: try now
[10:36] <clivejo> grrrr, someone please please help me with knavalbattle, its driving me crazy
[10:36] <clivejo> I know its something simple, but I cant see it!
[10:37] <yofel> sec
[10:37] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thank you
[10:38] <yofel> clivejo: you broke the control file
[10:39] <yofel> protip: use a text editor with syntax highlighting ;)
[10:40] <clivejo> where did I break it?
[10:40] <yofel> I'll leave finding that out to you as a leaning experience
[10:40] <yofel> *learning
[10:40] <clivejo> you evil man!
[10:41] <yofel> :P
[10:41] <yofel> I already gave you a tip
[10:41] <yofel> should be fairly easy to spot as the syntax is invalid
[10:41] <clivejo> what text editor offers syntax highlighing?
[10:42] <yofel> I personally use vim, but it seem like kate works too for this
[10:43] <clivejo> should wrap-and-sort not fix that?
[10:43] <Riddell> soee: I'll check with plasma devs to see if they're happy
[10:44] <yofel> it can only work on stuff that it can read, and for that the syntax needs to be correct
[10:44] <clivejo> is that it?
[10:44] <clivejo> a space
[10:44] <yofel> yep
[10:44] <yofel> Sections start at char 1 of a line, not 2
[10:44] <clivejo> **** **** ******** **** **** of a thing
[10:44] <yofel> ^^
[10:45] <soee> if someone can confirm, please do: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357613
[10:45] <clivejo> thats been bugging me all yesterday evening and even had a dream/nightmare about it
[10:46] <Odur> Isn't Apps 15.08.3 complete? http://pastebin.com/W7mpHWtB
[10:46] <yofel> to span the bridge between that and your error: there were simply no build-deps defined
[10:46] <yofel> Odur: yes?
[10:47] <Odur> yofel: Just wonder because I see some 15.08.2 apps (eg telepathy) still in my installation after updating.
[10:48] <yofel> Odur: we don't update packages that weren't changed in bugfix updates
[10:48] <yofel> that's why you still have a lot of .2 packages
[10:49] <Odur> Oh, that explains a lot. Thanks :)
[10:50] <clivejo> yofel: did you copy in the required frameworks to apps 15.12.0?
[10:50] <yofel> I just copied everything
[10:50] <yofel> although, I deleted breeze-icons later, but I don't think we need that
[10:50] <clivejo> have you a script to rebuild everything?
[10:51] <yofel> theoretically yes, but I would postpone that until we have 5.18 done, for now there's lots of other stuff to fix
[10:51] <yofel> oh right, I wanted to upload akonadi
[10:52] <clivejo> have you staged FW 5.18 yet? 
[10:52] <yofel> nope, was still finishing something in 5.17
[10:53] <yofel> let me copy that to landing, then we can stage that
[10:53] <clivejo> *shakes head* hurry up :P
[10:53] <soee> :)
[10:55] <yofel> copied, go ahead
[10:58] <yofel> s/5.17/5.18
[10:58] <soee> frameworks 5.18 were released ?
[10:59] <yofel> release is on saturday, but tarballs are up
[10:59] <soee> ahh.. :)
[11:00] <mparillo> I am reading the backlog and am pleased to see the link to: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-4-3-and-applications-15-08-3-for-kubuntu-15-10/ Previously (http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=424), I had noted that 5.4.3 was available in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports. Is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa closer to the 'regular updates channel'?
[11:00] <yofel> yes
[11:02] <yofel> and with that I mean wily-updates
[11:04] <soee> yofel: can we lso do some cleanup and remove from status pages all outdated entries?
[11:05] <yofel> I think that's really something that the cronjob should be doing
[11:05] <yofel> feel free to send a patch
[11:06] <soee> where is the whole script ? :D
[11:07] <yofel> that's what's called by cron: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/ppa-build-status-cron
[11:12] <soee> sofpedia spreads the word: http://news.softpedia.com/news/kubuntu-15-10-gets-plasma-5-4-3-and-applications-15-08-3-498510.shtml
[11:12] <RoninLIfe> hey xD
[11:13] <yofel> hi again
[11:13]  * yofel realizes that he still didn't upload akonadi
[11:14] <yofel> done
[11:14] <soee> RoninLIfe: say sometgin more :D we already know you know "hi/hey" word :)
[11:16] <RoninLIfe> i tryed to but you kept disconnecting yesterday
[11:16] <RoninLIfe> haha
[11:17] <acher88> excellent efforts people :)
[11:17] <RoninLIfe> Soee
[11:18] <soee> ah i see :)
[11:18] <RoninLIfe> Thanks for the source code 
[11:18] <RoninLIfe> im going to do it 
[11:20] <soee> yofel: and this file kubuntu-ppa-build-status-cron.conf ?
[11:21] <yofel> soee: e.g. https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/build-status-conf/applications.conf
[11:23] <yofel> I think all you need to do is list all files in the status dir, grep -v the current version and delete everything else
[11:24] <soee> i never did anything like those scripts :) so i first have to get familiar with it
[11:25] <yofel> it's just a shell script, and shell scripting is always good to know ;)
[11:32] <yofel> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:32] <yofel>   breeze kgamma5 kubuntu-desktop libkf5activitiesexperimentalstats1 plasma-desktop plasma-widgets-addons
[11:32] <yofel> eeek
[11:33] <yofel> ah great, frameworks 5.17 isn't installable without plasma 5.5
[11:38]  * clivejo face palms
[11:40] <clivejo> @KCC you should be the ones making the announces, not softpedia et al :P 
[11:41]  * clivejo dreams of a time where kubuntu.org is the first and last stop regarding all things Kubuntu
[11:41] <yofel> clivejo: that IS our news :P https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-4-3-and-applications-15-08-3-for-kubuntu-15-10
[11:42] <clivejo> congrats!!!!
[11:43]  * yofel wonders what that ark test failure is trying to tell him o.O
[11:44]  * clivejo has wondered that too
[11:44] <clivejo> is it a missing desktop file?
[11:44] <yofel> not sure, it's talking about a .menu file, but that's for debians ancient custom menu system...
[11:45]  * yofel goes reading the test
[11:46] <clivejo> we have a tests folder in the packaging
[11:46] <clivejo> could that be changing something
[11:46] <yofel> that should be autopkgtest stuff I think?
[11:55] <yofel> I wonder what changed, the 15.08 test runs fine
[11:56] <clivejo> kerfuffle
[11:56] <clivejo> means" a commotion or fuss, especially one caused by conflicting views."
[11:57] <yofel> lol
[11:59] <clivejo> aptly named
[11:59] <yofel> hm, lots of changes since 15.08 in ark, but the kde ci builds are fine
[12:00] <clivejo> that is strange#
[12:10] <clivejo> yofel: which CI builds are fine?
[12:10] <yofel> https://build.kde.org/job/ark%20Applications-15.12%20stable-kf5-qt5/
[12:12] <yofel> this might be something we have to autopkgtest, as you might need ark INSTALLED to run the test
[12:12] <yofel> lets test that idea
[12:13] <yofel> yep, that work
[12:13] <yofel> s
[12:13]  * yofel disables tests at build-time
[12:25] <yofel> and akonadi-search still doesn't build
[12:26]  * clivejo kicks akonadi
[12:29] <yofel> oh
[12:29] <yofel> Not in PPA: kde-baseapps, kdepim, kdepim-runtime, kdepimlibs, libkdcraw, marble, spectacle, kde-l10n,
[12:29] <yofel> kdepimlibs missing might actually be relevant here
[12:30] <clivejo> I dont undertsand the PIM
[12:31] <clivejo> they are in the manual folder
[12:31] <yofel> someone obviously didn't update the versions in CMakeLists.txt
[12:31] <yofel> if I build akonadi-search locally it just plain doesn't compile
[12:32] <yofel> let me upload the pim stuff
[12:32] <yofel> you didn't update the versions in packaging-exceptions.json, so the script probably failed
[12:32] <yofel> actually, I think I didn't do that either last time...
[12:33] <yofel> well, kdepimlibs here I come
[12:39] <yofel> kdepimlibs and kde-baseapps up
[12:40] <yofel> kdepim up
[12:41] <yofel> kdepim-runtime up
[12:42] <yofel> libkdcraw up
[12:44] <yofel> marble up
[12:58] <yofel> - _ZN7Akonadi13MessageStatusaSERKS0_@Base 15.07.90
[12:58] <yofel> +#MISSING: 4:15.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1# _ZN7Akonadi13MessageStatusaSERKS0_@Base 15.07.90
[12:58] <yofel> *sigh*
[13:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: sure, if you can tell me the command I need to run
[13:01] <yofel> heh, I'll tell you once I remember that myself
[13:01] <shadeslayer> ^^
[13:01] <clivejo> yofel:  is on fire today!
[13:08] <yofel>     Remove MessageStatus::operator= [-Wclazy-rule-of-two]
[13:08] <yofel>     The auto-generated one is fine and the class didn't implement a
[13:08] <yofel>     copy-ctor.
[13:08] <yofel> are we the only people that care about the ABI -.-?
[13:09] <clivejo> yofel: I care cause you care :)
[13:09] <yofel> you would care for other reasons as well once an application crashes on you because someone broke the ABI in a lib
[13:10] <clivejo> I dont understand ABI :/
[13:10]  * yofel remembers qt4.6 *shudder*
[13:11] <yofel> clivejo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface
[13:12] <clivejo> yeah, but I dont know how it works in packaging
[13:12] <yofel> magic
[13:12] <clivejo> dark magic is seems
[13:12] <clivejo> it
[13:22] <sheytan> So guys. 5.4.3 just released as updates, and what about 5.5?
[13:23] <sheytan> It's a long time already after the release
[13:23] <clivejo> sheytan: working on it
[13:23] <clivejo> WIP
[13:23] <sheytan> any release date?
[13:23] <clivejo> ASAP
[13:24] <clivejo> once the problems are fixed
[13:24] <yofel> actually, let me copy it to landing, muon needs fixing, but nothing that will screw people over
[13:24]  * clivejo hi-fives yofel
[13:25] <yofel> clivejo: did you look at 5.18?
[13:25] <clivejo> yofel: no, Im working on artikulate
[13:25] <yofel> ok, then I'll upload it
[13:25] <clivejo> Its building locally but failing autotests
[13:25] <clivejo> 1/2 Test #2: TestLanguageFiles ................***Exception: Other  0.47 sec
[13:25] <clivejo> QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display 
[13:26] <clivejo> I need to test with that fake frame buffer?
[13:26] <yofel> yep
[13:26] <clivejo> remind me again how we did that!
[13:26] <yofel> override_dh_auto_test:
[13:26] <yofel>  xvfb-run dh_auto_test
[13:26]  * clivejo takes notes this time
[13:27] <yofel> and don't forget the build-dep
[13:28] <clivejo> whats the dep again?
[13:28] <yofel> can't remember, try dpkg -S xvfb-run or so
[13:29] <clivejo> !info xvfb
[13:32] <yofel> moszumanska is as slow as always...
[13:33] <clivejo> yofel: once I exit out of a pbuild, are the files I was working on saved ?
[13:33] <yofel> no
[13:33] <clivejo> I forgot to copy the control file
[13:33] <clivejo> grr
[13:35] <yofel> o.O
[13:35] <yofel> -               extra-cmake-modules (>= 5.16.0~),
[13:35] <yofel> +               extra-cmake-modules (>= 5.17.0~),
[13:35] <yofel> I'm uploading 5.18, wth does this script do..
[13:35] <yofel> we have a versions.json, seriously...
[13:38] <yofel> no, that still doesn't do what it's supposed to do
[13:40] <clivejo> :/
[13:42] <yofel> great, our scripts have a chicken and egg problem
[13:43] <yofel> dev-package-name-lists can only update the lists with versions that are in git, those are then used to bump build-deps during staging-upload
[13:43] <yofel> but as that adds a new version, the deps are already wrong
[13:45] <clivejo> yofel: artikulate is still failing the tests :(
[13:45] <clivejo> FAIL!  : TestCourseFiles::fileLoadSaveCompleteness() 'manager.courseResources(manager.languageResources().first()->language()).count() == 1' returned FALSE. ()
[13:45] <clivejo>    Loc: [../../autotests/testcoursefiles.cpp(86)]
[13:45] <clivejo> no idea what that means
[13:45] <clivejo> Ill commit the fixes Ive done so far and upload to PPA
[13:46] <yofel> it looks like santa's changes broke the existing workflow
[13:49] <clivejo> not good :(
[13:49] <yofel> let me monkey patch stuff
[13:52] <yofel> meh, too complicated, I'll just edit stuff by hand
[13:52]  * clivejo has to go do some plumbing, yofel will you have a look at artikulate ppa3 when its finsihed building and let me know what it is complaining about! 
[13:52] <yofel> if I get to it, sure
[13:53] <clivejo> and if there are easy fixes, make a list and Ill do them later
[13:53] <clivejo> easy fixes = something I can do!
[13:54] <yofel> now let me try to update to plasma 5.5
[13:57] <yofel> Unpacking plasma-desktop-data (4:5.5.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2) over (4:5.4.3-0ubuntu1) ...
[13:57] <yofel> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-desktop-data_4%3a5.5.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack):
[13:57] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kcm_device_automounter.mo', which is also in package kde-l10n-engb 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1
[13:57] <yofel> oh right, there was that -.-
[13:58] <bshah> will there be version bump for kf5?
[13:59] <yofel> yes
[14:01] <bshah> okay... /me postpones updating frameworks for mobile I
[14:01] <bshah> *CI
[14:01] <yofel> I'm just generating the packages, so the bump should be committed in an ~hour
[14:15] <yofel> Riddell: regarding above overwrite error, does kde plan to abandon the l10n packs?
[14:16] <Riddell> yofel: l10n packs are still part of kde applications releases
[14:16] <Riddell> just not frameworks and plasma
[14:16] <yofel> why are plasma and FW not using them?
[14:17] <Riddell> because they're not released along with applications
[14:17] <Riddell> you could argue we could have plasma-l10n and fw-l10n tars but I think it becomes more bother than its worth then
[14:17] <Riddell> arguably it already is
[14:17] <yofel> you could just release l10n every time you release something..
[14:17] <yofel> but nvm
[14:18] <yofel> just that moving stuff out of l10n means that we need to break/replace ALL l10n packages
[14:18] <Riddell> yofel: kde-l10n-common has debian/overlapping-files
[14:18] <Riddell> which should remove files that are moved out
[14:19] <yofel> Riddell: and that helps me how in this case?
[14:20] <Riddell> it should remove it from kde-l10n-engb 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1 but indeed it would still need a replace/break
[14:20] <yofel> right
[14:29] <Odur> What's the diffrent status colours on the build status page? Red=failed, green=OK i think. But blue and orange?
[14:29] <yofel> blue: not yet built for various reaons
[14:30] <yofel> orange: has issues, but nothing that completely breaks the package
[14:30] <Odur> issues like linitian errors?
[14:30] <yofel> lintian, new symbols, stuff like that, yeah
[14:31] <Odur> Ok, thanks :) Trying to learn about your workflow in the background :)
[14:46] <yofel> bshah: kf5 5.18 committed
[14:47] <bshah> awesomio
[15:25] <genii> I'm looking at /etc/init.d/sddm and see HEED_DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER= option. But I'm not clear if setting this for lightdm will prevent sddm from running or if it will still load but defer to lightdm. Does anyone know?
[15:26] <genii> ( right now both are loading anyways)
[15:28]  * genii looks over at shadeslayer
[15:37] <genii> Guess I'll have to experiment
[15:39] <yofel> genii: you'll probably rather have to figure out how /lib/systemd/system/sddm.service etc. works
[15:39] <genii> yofel: This may require more coffee then...
[15:39]  * genii goes to make a fresh batch
[15:40] <yofel> the postinst script also has some complex default-display-manager handling related to systemd
[15:42] <genii> For a "Simple Desktop Display Manager" this thing is quite complex
[15:43] <yofel> about as simple as lightdm is "light"
[15:43] <genii> Touche ;)
[15:48] <shadeslayer> genii: I'd think that debconf selections disables sddm when you enable lightdm
[15:48] <shadeslayer> and vice versa
[15:53] <genii> shadeslayer: I originally started with sddm but because I have a dead screen on my laptop and it wants to span displays I couldn't login and had to switch to lightdm where it has separate login for each. But ps shows both running for some reason ( although lightdm is what I'm seeing on the external screen and how I'm loggin in)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> huh
[15:54] <shadeslayer> that's odd
[15:55] <mamarley> genii: sddm 0.13 actually puts the login prompt on all displays for me.
[15:58] <genii> mamarley: Ah, I've got 0.11 (Vivid)
[15:59] <genii> ..wanted to get my inverter replaced before I go to Wily or Xenial in case I have to wrestle with display managers over ssh again
[16:01] <yofel> he sensed the question slowly crawling near him from the shadows ^^
[16:01] <genii> Heh
[16:02] <genii> Maybe dpkg-reconfigure gdm doesn't stop sddm from running or something
[16:03] <genii> s/gdm/lightdm
[16:46] <yofel> meh, our epoch handling was broken again
[16:46] <yofel> (also partly affects fw 5.17)
[16:47] <yofel> namely: plasma-framework, sonnet, solid and threadweaver
[17:11] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: there were 2 env variables to be set for debian packagind
[17:11] <ovidiu-florin> one with name and one with email
[17:11] <ovidiu-florin> DEBEMAIL is one
[17:11] <ovidiu-florin> what's the other?
[17:11] <yofel> DEBFULLNAME
[17:14] <clivejo> yofel: I see fw 5.18.0 but no uploads yet?
[17:14] <yofel> I had to emergency delete everything
[17:14] <yofel> the packages ended up with epoch
[17:14] <clivejo> eakk
[17:14] <clivejo> how?
[17:15] <yofel> I made a mistake when I removed the epoch blacklisting for frameworks
[17:15] <clivejo> yofel is human after all :P
[17:16] <yofel> and I suffer like one, I also had to delete stuff from the CI to fix it -.-
[17:16] <yofel> for some reason only 4 of the 5.17 packages are broken as well
[17:16] <clivejo> but the delete is so weird in LP
[17:16] <clivejo> will have cause you problems uploading again?
[17:17] <yofel> I tried re-uploading, but everything got rejected because of file conflicts thanks to the slow janitor
[17:17] <yofel> building another set right now
[17:17] <clivejo> can staging generate ppa2 automatically?
[17:17]  * genii makes some really strong coffee and passes the mugs around
[17:17] <clivejo> the staging script I mean
[17:18] <yofel> not that I know of, I'm scripting that by hand
[17:18] <clivejo> eakkk
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: wait, yofel is human?
[17:18] <clivejo> apparently so
[17:18] <yofel> 0100010111010010011
[17:18] <clivejo> I thought he was a machine
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> so did I
[17:19] <clivejo> the yofel bot
[17:19] <yofel> right
[17:19] <yofel> !botsnack
[17:19] <clivejo> LOL#
[17:20] <ovidiu-florin> what happened to kubottu ?
[17:20] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ready for the meeting ?
[17:21] <yofel> what meeting?
[17:21] <clivejo> LOL
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> Core meeting before the podcast
[17:21] <clivejo> the core one
[17:21] <yofel> not really..
[17:21] <clivejo> tonight
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I want to hear you as well
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> perhaps even see you
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> so I know how you look
[17:21] <clivejo> hear me?
[17:21] <clivejo> you wont be able to understand me!
[17:22] <ovidiu-florin> no problem
[17:22] <ovidiu-florin> you can spreak gibberish
[17:22] <clivejo> and my webcam is broke, accidently on purpose
[17:22] <ovidiu-florin> it's enough to make a synthetizer with your voice :P
[17:27] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME are set, but when I run dch it does not add the email and timestamp
[17:27] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: as you can see in https://paste.kde.org/pord0vftl
[17:27] <ovidiu-florin> what am I missing?
[17:27] <yofel> it won't do it if it edits an existing UNRELEASED changelog, then it'll just add a new section with your DEBFULLNAME
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> ok, then can you just use the pastebin ^^
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[17:28] <yofel> probably
[17:29] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/knavalbattle.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[17:30] <yofel> uploading the next attempt at fw5.18
[17:30] <clivejo> attempt number two acknowledged
[17:30] <yofel> now it's accepting stuff, finally
[17:30] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: also the install files list
[17:31] <clivejo> thats the diff you sent, its commited to debian now
[17:31] <clivejo> and the package is green
[17:32] <clivejo> there was a space before Build-dep line in control file, but I think that was my fault
[17:32] <clivejo> which was causing it to fail
[17:33] <ovidiu-florin> I looked through the log, it's all there
[17:34] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: wanna do libkdcraw?
[17:36] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I want to know I I can get commit access
[17:37] <yofel> soee: so stuff ended up being busted anyway. You'll have to force-downgrade this, but only once we're done with 5.18:
[17:37] <yofel> libkf5sonnet-dev libkf5sonnetcore5 libkf5sonnetui5 libkf5sonnet5-data sonnet-plugins libkf5sonnet5-dbg plasma-framework-dev plasma-framework libkf5plasmaquick5 libkf5plasma5 plasma-framework-dbg libkf5solid-dev libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5solid-bin qtdeclarative5-kf5solid qml-module-org-kde-solid libkf5solid5-dbg libkf5threadweaver-dev libkf5threadweaver5 libkf5threadweaver5-dbg
[17:37] <clivejo> need to do a few and get one of us to commit
[17:37] <yofel> probably easiest to dpkg --force-depends -r them and figure stuff out with apt install -f
[17:47] <clivejo> what is up with ECM?
[17:47] <yofel> what do you mean?
[17:47] <clivejo> they always seem to fail
[17:47] <yofel> unstable != fail
[17:48] <clivejo> yet they seem to build sucessfully
[17:48] <yofel> there's a KCI-W in ecm
[17:48] <clivejo> yofel: are you still uploading?
[17:48] <yofel> no
[17:49] <clivejo> Not in PPA: kactivities-kf5, kdesu, kdnssd-kf5, kfilemetadata-kf5, kwallet-kf5, 
[17:49] <yofel> ok, let me look for those
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> unstable = ???
[17:49] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: warning level in kci
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> ok, ty
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> do we have a legent written somewhere for what the colors mean in build status pages?
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> legend*
[17:50] <yofel> no
[17:50] <yofel> I think we had ages ago
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll make one now in the notes
[17:51] <yofel> blue: not built yet (needs building, depwait, building, uploading, ...)
[17:51] <yofel> red: FTBFS or otherwise very broken
[17:51] <yofel> orange: minor things like lintian warnings, new symbols, etc.
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> green ?
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> what's FTBFS ?
[17:54] <yofel> failed to build from source
[17:54] <yofel> well, green is "ok"
[17:54] <yofel> or at least auto-qa ok
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> what's auto-qa?
[17:55] <yofel> automated qa
[17:55]  * clivejo giggles
[17:55] <yofel> ...
[17:55]  * ovidiu-florin thinks QA means Qwestions / Answers
[17:55]  * yofel throws old throuts after clivejo :P
[17:56] <yofel> Quality Assurance? ^^
[17:56] <yofel> clivejo: all uploaded, thanks for the reminder
[17:57] <clivejo> Wikipeda ==> Quality assurance (QA) is a way of preventing mistakes or defects in manufactured products and avoiding problems when delivering solutions or services to customers; which ISO 9000 defines as "part of quality management focused on providing confidence that quality requirements will be fulfilled".
[17:57] <clivejo> suggests an edit products and software
[17:58] <ovidiu-florin> thank you for the insight
[17:59] <clivejo> yofel: can I give the PPA a kick?
[17:59] <clivejo> ./kubuntu-retry-builds -r frameworks --ppa=kubuntu-ppa --ppaname=staging-frameworks --force ?
[17:59] <yofel> no
[18:00] <clivejo> awww
[18:00] <yofel> no point in doing that until the publisher runs
[18:00] <yofel> I'm waiting to do the damn same thing
[18:01] <clivejo> pity they couldnt be uploaded in order
[18:01] <yofel> we should probably indicate the publisher wait on the status page somehow
[18:01] <clivejo> a ticking clock icon
[18:01] <yofel> considering how slow the publisher is today that wouldn't have changed much...
[18:02] <yofel> possibly, yeah
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: ping
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: ping
[18:02] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: is the core meeting in an hour?
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[18:02]  * clivejo goes and looks for food
[18:05] <clivejo> shame we cant poke the publisher
[18:06] <clivejo> it finished 30mins ago
[18:07] <clivejo> Published 22 minutes ago
[18:07] <clivejo> :/
[18:10] <yofel> interesting how annoying a blinking gear can be :P
[18:18] <yofel> FINALLY
[18:18] <yofel> and.. retr
[18:18] <yofel> y
[18:22] <yofel> bbiab
[18:29] <xnox> sgclark, why is there libkdegames4? and why things are not using libkdegames?
[18:30] <xnox> fyi libkdemages4 now started to ftbfs, due to changes in symbols files, and i'm not sure if i should upload a diff dropping them. 
[18:30] <xnox> from test rebuild https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20151218.1-xenial-baseline/+build/8534234
[18:30] <xnox> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20151218.1-xenial-baseline-xenial.html
[18:41] <yofel> xnox: those are gccinternal symbols and can go, but now that you mention libkdegames4, the whole source might be obsolete by now
[18:41] <yofel> let me verify that
[18:49] <yofel> xnox: it seem that for now we still have a bunch of games that rely on libkdegames4, so it'll have to stay
[18:55] <Rick_Timmis> Hi Everyone.
[18:55] <Rick_Timmis> Core Team Hangout, will be starting @7pm UTC
[19:16] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: are you around?
[19:50]  * yofel throws another large sets of throuts at launchpads janitor
[19:55] <clivejo> yofel: what does failed to upload mean?
[19:56] <yofel> open the the build page, there you have a link to the upload log
[19:56] <yofel> that'll tell you what went wrong
[19:56] <yofel> essentially that means that the builder wasn't able to upload the build result to the PPA
[19:56] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233198899/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.kdbusaddons_5.18.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:56] <clivejo> looks successful
[19:57] <yofel> clivejo: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks/+build/8809408
[19:57] <yofel> there's an uploadlog
[19:57] <clivejo> eakk
[19:57] <yofel> failed to upload only can happen after successfull builds
[19:58] <yofel> we'll have to wait until the janitor physically deletes the "deleted" binaries, then we can retry this stuff
[19:58] <clivejo> :(
[19:58] <yofel> that might take a couple hours though :/
[19:58] <clivejo> I dont like janitor
[19:59] <clivejo> so some of your ppa1 packages got built?
[19:59] <clivejo> and made binary babies
[19:59] <yofel> yes, *with* the epoch, and those zombies are now blocking stuff
[19:59] <clivejo> eak
[20:00] <yofel> that's why you don't mess this stuff up, ever -.-
[20:00] <yofel> meh
[20:00]  * clivejo makes notes
[20:00] <clivejo> dont do what yofel did, ever
[20:00] <yofel> at least now you learnt what that launchpad can fail to upload stuff ;P
[20:01] <yofel> s/what//
[20:01] <clivejo> and epoch's are evil
[20:02] <clivejo> networkmanager failed to build
[20:02] <clivejo> is that going to be another problem?
[20:02] <yofel> o.O
[20:03] <yofel> didn't I remove those symbols?
[20:03] <clivejo> surprise!!
[20:03] <clivejo> their back!
[20:03] <clivejo> they're
[20:04] <yofel> let me c&p the symbolfile from a 5.17 build and see what the diff is
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> http://youtu.be/lYiEQd2QZcs
[20:05] <yofel> yes, I did remove them... 
[20:05] <yofel> wth
[20:06] <yofel> maybe I forgot to push /o\
[20:12] <clivejo> push phillip push!
[20:12] <yofel> I did this time :P
[20:12] <clivejo> its a networkmanager baby!
[20:17] <yofel> @podcast: LOL
[20:19] <clivejo> yofel you watching the podcast?
[20:20] <yofel> yep
[20:22] <clivejo> Ive stalled
[20:44] <snele> will plasma 5.6 make it into 16.04?
[20:45] <ahoneybun> 5.6 is set for 2016-03-22
[20:45] <ahoneybun> so it would be real close
[20:46] <mamarley> It will almost definitely be in one of the PPAs though.
[20:47] <yofel> PPAs certainly, release... dunno. Event the beta release is after our beta1 milestone...
[21:06] <clivejo> yippeeeeeee
[21:07] <genii> Heh
[21:32] <yofel> hm, we need to do an archive cleanup check at some point
[21:33] <yofel> I just found out that we have 3 useless l10n packges in the archive by coincidence
[21:37] <yofel> aaand I found a bug in our pkg-kde-tools merge
[21:38] <yofel> this day is getting better every minute
[21:41] <clivejo> whats the bug?
[21:42] <yofel> debian: kde-l10n-cavalencia, ubuntu: kde-l10n-ca-valencia
[21:42] <yofel> breaks the kde-l10n:all substvar
[21:45] <clivejo> and thats one of the worst ones to break :/
[21:45] <yofel> well, it really just messes with the valencia package, but not nice
[21:46] <yofel> I think we need some defined package list that we should be using for upgrade tests
[21:46] <clivejo> have you tried restarting a failed to upload FW?
[21:46] <yofel> there I had the idea to install kde-l10n-* and boom, two issues slap me right in the face
[21:46] <yofel> no, I know that they'll fail again
[21:47] <clivejo> how do you know when the files have actually been deleted?
[21:47] <yofel> I'm looking at the package deletion page, that shows sources in "Deleted" state
[21:47] <yofel> as long as they're visible, stuff stays broken
[21:48] <clivejo> could someone on the LP channel hurry it along?
[21:48] <yofel> I don't think the sysadmins mess with the cronjob unless it's a real emergency
[22:00] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: fancy fixing kalgebra?  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233127145/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kalgebra_4%3A15.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:00] <ovidiu-florin> anything
[22:00] <ovidiu-florin> but tomorrow
[22:00] <clivejo> no prob
[22:00] <ovidiu-florin> I can't anymore today
[22:00] <clivejo> Ill do it :)
[22:01] <clivejo> its a missing files one, should be easy enough to fix
[22:02] <ronnoc> Hi guys! It appears that one is not able to comment on the Kubuntu website at the moment. I tried to leave a comment about the new package release, but I get an error about filling out name / email even though that info. was present. 
[22:18] <ovidiu-florin> comments should be disabled
[22:18] <ovidiu-florin> ronnoc: 
[22:18] <ronnoc> ovidiu-florin:  ok. that's fine. perhaps the comment box should not be visible then?
[22:19] <ovidiu-florin> ronnoc: I know
[22:19] <ovidiu-florin> I've fixed it now
[22:19] <ronnoc> OK :)
[22:19] <ovidiu-florin> some people forget to disable them ( yofel ) :P
[22:20]  * yofel thought they were disabled in general...
[22:20] <ronnoc> I copied my positive comment to the clippy, so I'll head over to G+ and comment there :)
[22:20] <ovidiu-florin> yeah... WP does not allow you to do that
[22:20] <ovidiu-florin> without installing a plugin
[22:20] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: turn them off globally
[22:21] <clivejo> Settings>Discussion>Allow people to post comments
[22:21] <clivejo> saves you having to do it manually on each page
[22:28] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: done, thanks
[22:29]  * ovidiu-florin ZZZzzzzz.....
[22:29] <yofel> nooooo, after all the fixed stuff -.-
[22:29] <clivejo> you updated it to 4.4.1?
[22:29] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: ^
[22:32] <yofel> clivejo: 4.4.0 right now
[22:32] <clivejo> check for updates
[22:32] <clivejo> 4.4.1 is bug release
[22:32] <yofel> I saw it, but I'm not sure if we do that or canonical IS
[22:33] <clivejo> Id so it ASAP :P
[22:33] <clivejo> do
[22:33] <yofel> well, lets hang up a vodoo doll and pray that nothing happens until tomorrow
[22:33]  * clivejo is updating all his sites 
[22:34] <yofel> now I'm curious what they fixed...
[22:34]  * yofel looks
[22:35] <clivejo> fixes a cross-site scripting vulnerability
[22:36] <clivejo> and approx 50 other minor bugs
[22:38] <clivejo> yofel: can you help me with kdesdk-thumbnailers?
[22:39] <yofel> sec
[22:39] <clivejo> it looks like an install file change#
[22:39] <clivejo> so I commented out the kde4 files and run it in pbuilder
[22:39] <clivejo> it completes but the two packages are empty and no reports of missing lists
[22:40] <clivejo> it doesnt seem to build any files either :/
[22:44] <yofel> ah ahhah ahahhhaaha
[22:44] <yofel> another badly split and/or partly migrated thing
[22:44] <yofel> it only contains one thumnailer, and you're missing the one optional build-dep that's required to build that
[22:44] <yofel> so even though you have all required deps, it doesn't actually do anything useful
[22:45]  * yofel has a kgamma dejavú
[22:45] <clivejo> what build dep am I missing?
[22:45] <yofel> -- The following OPTIONAL packages have not been found:
[22:45] <yofel>  * GettextPO
[22:46] <clivejo> libgettextpo-dev ?
[22:47]  * genii sacrifices a small vegetarian mammal to the voodoo doll
[22:47] <yofel> dunno, install it and see if it helps
[22:47] <yofel> heh
[22:50] <clivejo> I had another one like this, cant remember the name :/
[22:50] <yofel> welcome to the world where people split stuff out and don't care what happens to the remains........
[22:51] <clivejo> ok that seems to have worked, built 3 files
[22:53] <clivejo> ooo Neon hook is fixed!
[22:55] <yofel> it is nice to have the crashes gone ^^
[22:56] <clivejo> yeah scared the life outta me the first time it happened
[22:56] <clivejo> thought Id done something wrong
[22:58] <clivejo> hi Blizzz#
[22:58] <yofel> welcome to FOSS development, where you either develop an ignorance shield against all kinds of complaints after a while or quit doing it
[22:58] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[23:00] <clivejo> wow 400Mb of updates
[23:00] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo , i'm stick ing around later then usual to seei if plasma 5.5 will be ready soon
[23:00] <yofel> not today
[23:00] <yofel> unless launchpad shows some mercy
[23:00] <Blizzz> hey clivejo
[23:00] <BluesKaj> ok yofel thanks 
[23:00] <clivejo> sorry BluesKaj, run into more problems
[23:01] <clivejo> soory Blizzz, my autocomplete malfunctioned :/
[23:01] <BluesKaj> no need to be sorry 
[23:02] <BluesKaj> ok I'll see you guys tomorrow
[23:02] <Blizzz> clivejo: no worried :)
[23:02]  * yofel remembers the last couple weeks
[23:02] <Blizzz> s/worried/worries
[23:02] <yofel> clivejo: you've been doing like 500% the work of the official devs, you may feel awesome :P
[23:03] <clivejo> I feel smelly!
[23:03] <clivejo> not awesome!
[23:03] <yofel> lol
[23:04] <clivejo> the plumbing job was in a cattle shed!
[23:04] <yofel> ouch
[23:06] <clivejo> yofel: mind scanning over artikulate --> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233164504/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.artikulate_4%3A15.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:07] <clivejo> no idea whats wrong there :/
[23:07] <clivejo> I asked in kde-dev and noone answered :(
[23:08] <yofel> what does that even test.....
[23:08]  * clivejo shrugs
[23:10] <clivejo> should I bump /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/dhmk.mk to 3?
[23:10] <yofel> for kf5, yes
[23:11] <clivejo> think that will make a difference to the tests?
[23:11] <yofel> maybe not, but it will prevent other possible silent breakage
[23:11] <yofel> iirc it sets paths and stuff like that for frameworks
[23:12] <clivejo> tests are xvfb-run
[23:12] <clivejo> could that make a difference?
[23:15] <clivejo> yofel: is there a way to grep through the archive for /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2 and bump them to 3?
[23:16] <yofel> feel free to clone all repos and do the greb
[23:16] <yofel> *p
[23:16] <yofel> but don't update anything that's still qt4
[23:16] <clivejo> well I still have apps cloned locally in workspace/apps
[23:19] <clivejo> nope, bumping to 3 doesnt solve the test issue
[23:19] <clivejo> Schema at file  ""  is invalid. sounds wrong
[23:20] <yofel>  uh, looking at the test code this might be another ark...
[23:20] <yofel> but this time out of lazyness
[23:21] <clivejo> oh?
[23:22] <yofel> clivejo: look at init() in autotests/testcoursefiles.cpp
[23:22] <clivejo> I am
[23:22] <clivejo> there is nothing there
[23:22] <yofel> there is a fixme there
[23:22] <clivejo> TODO
[23:23] <clivejo> uncomment KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceDir("appdata" , "./autotests/data"); ?
[23:23] <yofel> I wouldn't do that, if upstream says that's broken I believe them
[23:24] <yofel> yep, works once you install it
[23:24] <yofel> so... skipit
[23:25] <clivejo> phoney?
[23:25] <clivejo> in rules?
[23:25] <yofel> yep
[23:25] <clivejo> thats cheating
[23:25] <yofel> EDONTCARE
[23:25] <yofel> or well, we can autopkgtest this
[23:26] <yofel> but other than actually fixing the test there's no way to get this to work during build time
[23:33] <clivejo> yofel: should I comment out the current autotest and leave a FIXME notice or remove them completely?
[23:33] <yofel> might as well leave a fixme
[23:34] <clivejo> it should be fixed in future releases?
[23:34] <yofel> maybe
[23:35] <clivejo> LOL I sense you dont see that happening!
[23:35] <clivejo> any time soon anyways
[23:36] <yofel> I've seen a lot of disable tests in the packages from debian, so I'm not sure if we should
[23:37] <yofel> which reminds me......
[23:37] <yofel> we never did merge apps with debian, did we?
[23:38] <clivejo> this is true
[23:38]  * clivejo didnt do it
[23:52] <yofel> so, launchpad deleted *some* packages o.O
[23:53] <yofel> I retried *some* packages
[23:56] <yofel> anyway, off to bed. work tomorrow
[23:58] <clivejo> night night yofel
[23:59]  * clivejo goes to bed too