[03:48] <denza242> aaaa
[03:48] <denza242> my touchpad's buttons refuse to work
[03:49] <denza242> sometimes the left button acts as both the left and the middle
[03:49] <denza242> and the right button does nothing
[05:25] <denza242> anyone here atm?
[05:30] <soee> !ask denza242
[05:30] <soee> denza242: !ask
[05:30] <soee> !ask
[05:31] <denza242> soee: would you happen to know how to reset all synaptic settings
[05:31] <soee> oh i never used synaptic settings, but you coudl take a lok in .config/ folder
[06:33] <Guest28665> hello
[06:33] <soee> hi Guest28665
[06:34] <Guest28665> hi soee
[09:45] <jubo2> Hiya and thanks for the best out-of-box GNU/Linukka OS
[09:45] <jubo2> 'sudo apt update' is stuck at
[09:46] <cody> hi
[09:46] <jubo2> connecting to security.ubuntu.com
[09:47] <ikonia> Linukka isn't ubuntu
[09:48] <jubo2> It just a term of endearment for GNU/Linux
[09:48] <jubo2> Unikka and Linukka
[09:48] <ikonia> it means nothing
[09:49] <ikonia> what's you're actual problem
[09:49] <jubo2> 'sudo apt update' hangs
[09:49] <ikonia> remove the cache and tell it to refersh
[09:50] <jubo2> ikonia: how do I remove the cache?
[09:50] <ikonia> man apt-get
[09:50] <jubo2> man pages are crap medium. they are not hypertext
[09:50] <jubo2> but ok
[09:51] <valorie> they come out all nicely styled in good old konqueror
[09:51] <valorie> <3
[09:51] <ovidiu-florin> ikonia: you would tell a developer to check the manual, but a user is not expected to know how to check a manual
[09:51] <ikonia> what ?
[09:52] <ovidiu-florin> I mean a man
[09:52] <ikonia> sorry, what ?
[09:52] <jubo2> bro is better
[09:52] <ikonia> bro ?
[09:52] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[09:52] <ovidiu-florin> ikonia: do you know the command on how to clear the cache?
[09:52] <ikonia> yes
[09:52] <jubo2> but bro doesn't come installed on fresh clean fresh clean
[09:52] <ovidiu-florin> then why not tell it?
[09:52] <ikonia> jubo2: bro ?
[09:53] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[09:53] <ovidiu-florin> and point the asker to the man for more info
[09:53] <jubo2> http://bropages.org/browse
[09:53] <jubo2> bro is a companion to man
[09:53] <jubo2> and no glitter gender, just common sense
[09:53] <jubo2> Anyone can add an entry to a bro page
[09:53] <ikonia> looks like it sucks
[09:54] <ikonia> it just has some common used syntax
[09:54] <ikonia> but that has nothing to do with this really
[09:54] <jubo2> ikonia: some people are just looking for common used syntax (example)
[09:54] <jubo2> Not all the bells, whistles and knobs of the  thing
[09:54] <ikonia> jubo2: you're not, you're looking for a specific argument
[09:54] <ikonia> which is why I said look in the man page
[09:56] <jubo2> yeah
[09:56] <jubo2> I looked at all of the man page
[09:56] <jubo2> didn't find it
[09:56] <jubo2> I need more coffee. Didn't drink enough at the church
[09:59] <jubo2> 'k cofi coming up
[09:59] <ovidiu-florin> ikonia: one of the biggest problems with the Linux community is the arrogance of it's members. https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/31mgze/bsd_community_vs_linux_community/
[10:00] <jubo2> ovidiu-florin: it's really nice that you care but could someone just tell me how to trash the cache so it can load fresh?
[10:00] <ikonia> ovidiu-florin: thats nothing to do with this channel
[10:00] <ovidiu-florin> if a person asks for how to do something and somebody knows the answer, instead of givin the answer they reply with: Why do you want that? Don't do that! and possibly some curses
 ikonia: how do I remove the cache?
 man apt-get
[10:01] <jubo2> ikonia: I think he is offering you critizism which is helpful in the sense that it helps your personal development
[10:01] <ovidiu-florin> jubo2: you are right
[10:02] <ikonia> ovidiu-florin: you're right, I shouldn't have offered to help someone who has been a problem user repeatedly
[10:02] <jubo2> that went into the log
[10:02] <ikonia> yes ?
[10:02] <ovidiu-florin> as a paralel: in general in the BSD community if you ask for help, (even a stupid question), they will tell you the answer, and the offer some guidance as to why that might be a bad idea
[10:02] <ikonia> ovidiu-florin: I will put in all the effort to help people in need of help, I will check if somone is genuine in their help request when they are a known problem user who has wasted time in the past
[10:03] <jubo2> offensive to call someone a "problem user"
[10:03] <ovidiu-florin> if thay are trolls we can ban them
[10:03] <ikonia> ovidiu-florin: give someone a chance to get help
[10:03] <jubo2> I friggen purvey http://Palestinetunne.li etc.
[10:03] <ikonia> jubo2: not interested in your urls
[10:04] <ikonia> please don't be offtopic here
[10:04] <ikonia> make your support request as you have done and wait/work with people for support
[10:05] <ovidiu-florin> jubo2: you're not helping my case here
[10:05] <jubo2> I also purvey grepping for "problem user" if and whenevs I get the feeling to find that particular offense
[10:06] <jubo2> ovidiu-florin: I don't even know what your case is
[10:06] <jubo2> my case is 'sudo apt update' hangs
[10:07] <jubo2> and when I try to ask on #kubuntu irc "How do I remove the apt-get cache?" I get told to RTFM
[10:07] <jubo2> instead of someone who knows it from the top of the head giving me the answer
[10:07] <jubo2> peda.. something..
[10:07] <ovidiu-florin> try `sudo apt-get clean` (http://askubuntu.com/questions/285691/is-it-possible-to-clean-the-apt-cache-from-the-command-line)
[10:08] <jubo2> run. now running 'sudo apt update'
[10:09] <aldric> Hello. I have a general issue with kf5 (kubuntu 15.10). I tried to google it with various keywords, but no success. Here is the problem: for many settings I may set in systemsettings (such as icon theme, color theme, singleclick, ...), it seems they are completely ignored by kf5 applications (but surprisingly not by kde4 ones). For instance, kf5 apps insist on using double click to open and using gnome icon theme everywhere. Any idea what
[10:09] <aldric> is going on? (maybe kf5 apps cannot find kdeglobals file?) Is there somewhere I can check the paths that kf5 apps look for?  Or could anybody redirect me to the right forum/channel? Thank you!
[10:10] <ovidiu-florin> aldric: at a point in history, Kubuntu had 2 systems settings, one for KDE4 and one for KF5 (unless I'm mixing things)
[10:11] <jubo2> 'sudo apt update' still hangs
[10:11] <Fritigern> aldric: You have installed appmenu-qt5. Remove it and put appmenu-qt back. That fixes it 100%
[10:11] <jubo2> run that 'sudo apt-get clean'
[10:11] <jubo2> I ctrl-c it and use apt-get instead of apt
[10:11] <aldric> I think it's the kf5 one I am using.
[10:12] <aldric> ok I may have appmenu-qt things... I try removing them
[10:12] <Fritigern> No, it's appmenu-qt5
[10:12] <ovidiu-florin> jubo2: it should do the same
[10:12] <ovidiu-florin> jubo2: please pastebin your command and output
[10:12] <jubo2> so I think too
[10:12] <Fritigern> I have had the exzact same issue and only because someone else had the same issue and manage to trak it down to that did I learn about this issue
[10:12] <aldric> is there a working macosx-like appmenu working nowadays in kf5?
[10:13] <aldric> I used to use that in kde4
[10:13] <ovidiu-florin> aldric: in muon there's a section plasma widgets. See if you find something usefull there.
[10:14] <ovidiu-florin> most of them have been tested with plasma 5
[10:14] <aldric> oh removing appmenu-qt5 did the trick. Many thanks!
[10:14] <Fritigern> aldric: Spread the word.
[10:15] <aldric> it's a wonder there is nothing about this in any forum...
[10:15] <aldric> maybe there were not that many users of appmenu
[10:16] <ovidiu-florin> aldric or Fritigern if you are willing, make a blog post about this issue, and we'll pull it in Kubuntu Wire
[10:16] <jubo2> sudo apt upgrade hangs on "0% [Connecting to fi.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:708:310:54::102)]"
[10:17] <jubo2> I cannot update nor upgrade
[10:17] <jubo2> bummer.
[10:17] <yofel> for more than ~2 minutes?
[10:17] <ovidiu-florin> change your servers to use ones from a different country
[10:17] <yofel> I've seen apt hang for a while on ipv6 connections in the past
[10:18] <jubo2> I gonna let it hang for 4-5 min just to find out
[10:19] <Fritigern> jubo2: sudo kate /etc/sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and change the sources from fi.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <Odur> jubo2: Change to main server instead
[10:19] <Odur> As Fritigern said :)
[10:19] <ovidiu-florin> Fritigern: or use kdesudo kate ;-P
[10:20] <jubo2> but unecolo
[10:20] <jubo2> the main is prlly in USia
[10:20] <jubo2> hey. now it runs
[10:20] <jubo2> yofel: it runs
[10:21] <Fritigern> ovidiu-florin: Or sudo software-properties-kde
[10:21] <jubo2> 4.2.0-23 kernel and lowlatency kernel :D :D
[10:21] <ovidiu-florin> ;)
[10:21] <ovidiu-florin> with the fi server?
[10:21] <jubo2> It just hung on the IPv6 so I assumed it's not going to proceed like the update didn't
[10:21] <jubo2> yes
[10:21] <yofel> jubo2: http://askubuntu.com/questions/574569/apt-get-stuck-at-0-connecting-to-us-archive-ubuntu-com
[10:22] <yofel> the answer is rally just a workaround as it changes the connection preference to ipv4, but it works
[10:23] <jubo2> really.. rally is silly "motorsport" where you drive insanely fast on normal roads
[10:23] <jubo2> so had little trouble parsing that one at start ;)
[10:24] <yofel> oops, lol
[10:24] <jubo2> yofel: I immediatelly thought of "race condition"
[10:24] <yofel> XD
[10:24] <jubo2> which confused me more lol
[10:26] <aldric> Now, while I am here, a couple of other issues, with kmail icons. 1 - the icon in the task bar is not kmail's icon (when I was using gnome icons, but also now that I switched to breeze). 2 - the tray icon is blank (invisible) and won't go away even if I disable it. How can I fix this?
[10:28] <ovidiu-florin> aldric: you see a blank space where the icon should be?
[10:28] <aldric> (ah wait, maybe my kmail tray icon behavior is back to normal... )
[10:28] <aldric> yes that's what (was) happening
[10:29] <aldric> it only remains the task bar issue (the task bar icon is different from the window icon in kwin decoration)
[10:29] <aldric> (the latter is right while the former is wrong)
[10:30] <ovidiu-florin> aldric: are you showing the number of unread mails?
[10:31] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:32] <aldric> ovidiu-florin: yes it's working
[10:34] <ovidiu-florin> isn't the windows icon with orange?
[10:36] <aldric> no orange. It's a grey mailbox containing a white enveloppe.
[10:37] <aldric> while the icon in task bar is a hollow green rectangle with a "play" pictogram (green right facing triangle). Nothing to do with a mail client.
[10:43] <ovidiu-florin> aldric: not this one: https://github.com/NitruxSA/breeze-icon-theme/blob/master/Breeze/apps/48/kontact.svg ?
[10:43] <aldric> ah no, not this one (but it would be fine if it was)... so maybe kwin is not displaying the breeze icon either?
[10:45] <aldric> your icon is kontact's icon but I am using kmail directly, so this is actually expected
[10:46] <aldric> https://github.com/NitruxSA/breeze-icon-theme/blob/master/Breeze/apps/48/kmail.svg <- this does not display anything in my web browser... maybe there is something wrong with kmail's icon in breeze?
[10:48] <aldric> (the green rectangle with play button: it seems this is the default icon for iconless windows in the task bar with breeze theme)
[10:50] <aldric> (ah and when I pin the icon in the task bar and close kmail, the icon becomes the right one)
[10:50] <aldric> (so it's wrong only when kmail is running)
[10:54] <ovidiu-florin> aldric: have you logged out and in since the change?
[10:55] <aldric> no, but when I relog I'll check again (I cannot do that now)
[10:56] <aldric> (btw this bug was already there before the change, only with different icons: those from the gnome theme)
[10:58] <soee> the link you pasted does not show icon because it is symlink
[10:59] <aldric> I see. Besides kmail.svg exists on my installation... and is yet another icon! (white open envelope with blue sheet of paper inside)
[11:07] <aldric> Okay, I am on my way now. Thanks for the help!!! Happy new year and so on :).
[12:18] <linuxuserwannabe> How can I set an application window to be pinned/showed to all desktops based on *exact* command path?
[12:42] <jack_> test
[13:44] <BuddyButterfly> hi, happy new year 2u all
[13:45] <BuddyButterfly> last year I reported that I was very frustrated that the upgrade from utopic to 15.10 made the syste not boot etc.
[13:45] <BuddyButterfly> Now I have found the reason.
[13:45] <BuddyButterfly> I ccould only boot in secure mode ....
[13:46] <BuddyButterfly> the reason was, that there obviously was a change in display manager to sddm (or the like).
[13:47] <BuddyButterfly> the update did not remove lightdm. After removing lightdm all the problems went away. No hang at boot anymore.
[13:47] <BuddyButterfly> so I am happy again an enjoy kubuntu!
[14:01] <Smurphy> buriedalive: nice.
[16:18] <denza242> grr
[16:18] <denza242> I'm on the brink of re-installing and I really don't want to do that, because that's a PITA.
[16:19] <denza242> i'm having problems with my synaptics touchpad
[16:21]  * genii pats denza242 comfortingly on the back and slides over a fresh coffee
[16:21] <denza242> genii: you wouldn't happen to know how to reset xinput stuff
[16:21] <denza242> would you?
[16:22] <genii> Not offhand :(
[16:22] <denza242> ah well
[16:23] <denza242> in any case my problem is as such, ever since yesterdays kernel upgrade, my synaptics touchpad's mouse buttons have been acting up to the point of system unusability
[16:24] <genii> Apparently they are supposed to be stored in the .xsessionrc file
[16:25] <denza242> I have to disable and float both "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint                         id=14" and "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad                    id=13" before anything else
[16:25] <denza242> because otherwise it spams crap everywhere
[16:25] <denza242> genii: I'll check it out
[16:26] <denza242> genii: it seems to be missing
[16:27] <denza242> oh also
[16:27] <denza242> wait I just realized
[16:27] <denza242> usually TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint  never appears when I punch in "xinput"
[16:29] <denza242> :O
[16:30] <genii> Hm
[16:33] <denza242> genii: I tried purging the xinput driver for synaptics
[16:34] <denza242> but that only makes the spam worse
[16:34] <denza242> I should mention that I _did_ clean my laptop with a bit of rubbing alcohol yesterday
[16:34] <denza242> but I've done that a lot of times before, without any problems
[16:36] <denza242> o/ BluesKaj
[16:36] <BluesKaj> hi denza242
[16:36] <denza242> BluesKaj: could you help me with an xinput problem
[16:37] <genii> denza242: Could you pastebin the stuff it's spamming into the terminal?
[16:38] <denza242> genii: it spams whatever's in the clipboard (this time it was a phoronix url) somtimes
[16:38] <denza242> other times it spams tildes/FXX keys
[16:38] <genii> Yeah so looks like hardware issue or so
[16:38] <denza242> FXX = F1, F2, et al
[16:39] <denza242> I should mention
[16:39] <denza242> even though I have the aforementioned things disabled/floated, if I press the left mouse key it still does things
[16:39] <denza242> even though I have the aforementioned things disabled/floated, if I press the left mouse key it still does thingsi'
[16:39] <denza242> ^example
[16:40] <denza242> it's also triggering the alt-key now
[16:41] <denza242> USB mouse works fine, both wired and wireless
[16:42] <genii> I wonder if passing options to the synaptics driver in /etc/modules instead of xinput
[16:43] <denza242> cd /etc/modules bash: cd: /etc/modules: Not a directory
[16:43] <genii> it's a file :)
[16:44] <denza242> oh :x
[16:44] <denza242> genii: it's empty
[16:44] <denza242> other than some commented stuff
[16:45] <denza242> genii: left-clicked into a terminal and it appended "i;3~"
[16:45] <denza242> whatever that is
[16:47] <genii> denza242: Yes. This is the file you use to put special options to modules, or load modules which are not loaded by default. So you can do something like add a line: synaptics LeftEdge 999 irq 7    ...or so on
[16:47] <genii> denza242: The driver options can be found at http://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/synaptics.4.html
[16:48] <genii> Actually, on closer look those are for inclusion in xorg.conf
[16:50] <denza242> genii: what options should I pass?
[16:57] <denza242> the KDEConnect mouse is giving me less problems than the hardware mouse
[16:58] <denza242> >.<
[16:59] <genii> denza242: In this case, the options need to be passed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and not /etc/modules because the synaptics driver is only loaded when X starts
[16:59] <denza242> genii: right I get that
[17:00] <genii> Although at this point I'm not sure what options should be passed, there are a lot of them. You might try decreasing it's sensitivity or such
[17:00] <denza242> genii: I should also mention, the trackpad itself works fine
[17:00] <denza242> or well
[17:00] <denza242> it works as a trackpad should
[17:00] <denza242> it's the mouse buttons
[17:00] <genii> Like maybe the FingerLow FingerHigh FingerPress values
[17:01] <genii> So if the buttons, perhaps the ClickTime or FastTaps options
[17:03] <denza242> genii: I don't have an xorg.conf but I do have /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
[17:06] <denza242> genii: I'm going to see if the trackpad is broken in windows too
[17:06] <denza242> hopefully it isnt...
[17:08] <genii> Yes, it's normal not to have an xorg.conf
[17:08] <genii> delian66: ^
[17:08] <genii> Meh
[17:18] <denza242> genii: it's a hardware issue
[17:18] <denza242> at least though, I could enable the trackpad without having it spam crap everywhere
[17:19] <genii> denza242: Well, at least now we know
[17:19] <genii> denza242: Was it working properly before the cleaning, or did you clean it because it was acting up?
[17:19] <denza242> genii: perhaps I used too much rubbing alcohol...
[17:20] <denza242> working properly before cleaning
[17:20] <genii> Ah, yes. so that is immediately the suspect
[17:20] <denza242> well, other than the occasional error where it didn't work for some reason at all
[17:20] <denza242> but that was easily fixed with an xinput enable 14
[17:21] <denza242> hmm...
[17:21] <denza242> well I could always just use the simulated button events with the trackpad
[17:21] <genii> Maybe order a new trackpad ;)
[18:30] <neredsenvy> Is plasma desktop possible on ubuntu ? Anyone here using both k/u-buntu that could help out.
[18:44] <kdeuser5> Hallo!
[18:53] <marco-parillo> You can certainly install kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-full over Ubuntu (unity). Afterwards, you will find two programs performing the same function, one KDE and one Gnome.
[19:09] <neredsenvy> Anyone know if its possible to install Plasma Desktop on Ubuntu ?
[19:09] <neredsenvy> Plasma 5
[19:12] <neredsenvy> anyone ?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> neredsenvy:  only if you install kubuntu-desktop
[19:17] <neredsenvy> BluesKaj: So install kubuntu-desktop first and then plasma or ?
[19:18] <BluesKaj> neredsenvy:  plasma desktop is part of kubuntu-desktop
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu podcast is live now: http://youtu.be/lYiEQd2QZcs
[20:10] <percival_> list
[20:35] <wayneh07> Is anybody else having problems with 15.10 freezing?
[20:37] <Quantos> Nope, when is it freezing?
[20:38] <Quantos> Is it a clean install or an upgrade path?
[20:38] <Quantos> Try a LiveCD and see if that freezes as well
[20:44] <wayneh07> Sorry I was off making a coffee
[20:45] <wayneh07> It is a clean install
[20:45] <wayneh07> I haven't seen anything to indicate it's coming it just suddenly freezes occasionally
[20:46] <wayneh07> I've also found that I can clean boot using the magic sysreq keys
[20:51] <Shiroe> hi
[21:08] <Shiroe> Hello, i need to now sth about kubuntu. Is in kubuntu a lot of critical bugs ?? Can use this system everyday witout crashes and fatal bugs??
[21:12] <Fritigern> Shiroe: KI am using it every day without problems (and no crashes) and I am not technical at all.
[21:15] <Shiroe> ok
[21:38] <mparillo> ovidiu-florin: Rick_Timmis: ahoneybun_ Thanks for giving us something to promote. If you have a link to a transcript, I would be happy to add it to the wire (http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=930) which feeds the KDE and Ubuntu Planets
[21:38] <Rick_Timmis> Oh yes one second, I get you link to Show notes
[21:39] <Rick_Timmis> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZqbDTx9JhKvE3vXzMIgPBOOe5tPD_C7pkTkQIoM-snw/edit?usp=sharing
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin> mparillo: please use this link: https://goo.gl/DY6CBr
[21:48] <mparillo> Changed, thank you.
[22:57] <joshua__> hello