[01:30] <gwendo_lyn> i have a couple super dumb questions that i am somehow not afraid to ask.
[01:31] <gwendo_lyn> first, has anyone had any luck getting slack to run in the touch browser?
[01:32] <gwendo_lyn> second, is it even possible to install say, gcc or go or something even if i have to run them from terminal?  it looks like making the system read-write is "frowned-upon".
[01:33] <gwendo_lyn> and third, is this even the right place for questions like this from someone who is a developer but would rather use the tablet to do things other than develop Touch-specific software?
[01:34] <RAOF> gwendo_lyn: You *can* install gcc or go, but you will need to make the system read-write (which is renders the device unsupported for OTA updates)
[01:35] <RAOF> (Which doesn't mean that OTA updates won't work, just that there are known failure-modes which any individual OTA update may or may not hit)
[01:36] <RAOF> This would be a reasonable channel.
[01:36] <gwendo_lyn> thanks :)
[01:37] <gwendo_lyn> so, making it read-write is the path to installing such things, but i may not be able to take ota and ota may render the device unusable until i go through recovery mode and re-flash, then re-enable read-write, then re-install nonstandard packages.
[01:37] <RAOF> That's about it, yeah.
[01:37] <gwendo_lyn> i'm not quite as dumb as i feel then :)
[01:38] <RAOF> As is always the case :)
[01:40] <gwendo_lyn> i'm using a numeric pin on the lock screen.  is there a way to make it show a keypad instead of a full keyboard so i don't have to switch to the number/symbol mode?
[01:41] <RAOF> Huh. Mine does automatically.
[01:41] <RAOF> It doesn't pop up the OSK at all, just a numpad.
[01:44] <gwendo_lyn> ok, i picked "4 digit passcode" in settings->security&privacy->locking and unlocking->lock security
[01:46] <gwendo_lyn> my lock screen shows a rather standard looking ubuntu lock screen, with "phablet" ostensibly where the machine name goes, a "password" field underneath, and some strange looking circular widget with approximately 32 divisions, the first five (from 12 o'clock) are solid dots, the sixth position has what looks to be a small teardrop cursor pointed outward from the radius, and the rest of the positions have small hollow dots (smal
[01:47] <gwendo_lyn> if i tap the password field it brings up a full kb.
[01:51] <gwendo_lyn> if i switch it to "swipe (no security)" it shows me the same screen but when i tap the password box it unlocks immediately :)
[01:55] <RAOF> Oh, on a tablet.
[01:55] <RAOF> Right, that's the difference.
[01:55] <RAOF> I... don't know if you can get a keypad on there.
[01:55] <RAOF> On the phone it doesn't have the password box, just a keypad for the pin.
[01:57] <gwendo_lyn> fair enough.  i could live with it :)
[03:37] <dobey> RAOF: the phone should have an entry box for password, if you set it to a passphrase instead of a pin
[03:37] <RAOF> Right, but on the tablet it has an entry box for password even if you set a pin instead of a passphrase.
[03:38] <dobey> yeah, the landscape greeter still needs some work i guess
[04:22] <gwendo_lyn> thanks y'all.  do i need to do anything special to prevent OTA?  it's not automatic is it?
[04:24] <dobey> it's not
[04:24] <dobey> you can go into system settings updates and change the "auto download" to "never" though if you want
[04:24] <gwendo_lyn> ok that's what i thought from the install page.
[04:24] <dobey> not sure why you'd want to prevent ota though
[04:25] <gwendo_lyn> oh, hmm. might be a good idea.
[04:25] <gwendo_lyn> because i want to enable read-write
[04:25] <dobey> why?
[04:25] <dobey> enabling read-write makes system updates not work anyway
[04:26] <gwendo_lyn> i want to push the envelope in ways that apparently require it.  for example, i want to install some standard-ish linux packages even though i know i will have to use them from the command line.
[04:26] <dobey> and if your idea is that you want to rely on apt-get to upgrade stuff, that's a bad plan. it will break
[04:26] <dobey> gwendo_lyn: make a chroot
[04:26] <dobey> gwendo_lyn: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[04:27] <gwendo_lyn> could do, was hoping not to need chroot but you're right, that's probably best.
[04:28] <dobey> well, / is not a big partition. you can make a chroot in normal data partition under $HOME, or on external media
[04:29] <dobey> and it keeps stuff contained, so you don't have to break the system to compile something on your phone or such
[04:29] <dobey> anyway, have to go now. later
[04:34] <gwendo_lyn> thanks :)
[04:39] <gwendo_lyn> hmm.  looks like this remains the state of bluetooth keyboards: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1478217
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:56] <lpotter> hi
[09:03] <CaptainHeavy> Hello all :) Not sure if this is a hardware or software issue but I frequently hear very audible clicking noises from my Meizu MX4 that is running the latest version of Ubuntu Touch.  Its as if the phone is attempting to play sound through the speakers but there's no apps running that *should* be emitting sound.  Has anyone else experienced this?
[09:07] <mcphail> gwendo_lyn: hopefully more BT keyboards will work after OTA9, as the bluetooth stack should be getting updated
[09:10] <jibel> CaptainHeavy, this is known and reported in bug 1477838
[09:10] <CaptainHeavy> jibel: cool, thanks for letting me know :)
[09:10] <jibel> yw
[09:12] <CaptainHeavy> Sounds like a nightmare to reproduce
[09:13] <CaptainHeavy> Happens infrequently in my experience but I have no idea how to guarantee that it happens!
[09:13] <jibel> CaptainHeavy, indeed, if you ever find a way to reliably reproduce don't hesitate to add a comment on the report.
[09:14] <CaptainHeavy> jibel: Will do. The unlock/lock fix works but if you do it very quickly the ticking persists
[09:14] <CaptainHeavy> It stops if you unlock, wait for a minute or so then lock again
[09:14] <CaptainHeavy> seems like a resource time issue?
[09:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Old Rock Day! 😃  🎸
[09:45] <oSoMoN> dholbach, good morning, and thanks for the fix to the click-reviewer-tools. Do you know if there’s a way to request myapps to re-run checks for an upload (or do you know who I should ask)?
[09:46] <dholbach> oSoMoN: I don't know if that's possible, but JamesTait and beuno (and members of their team) would probably know
[09:46] <oSoMoN> thanks, I’ll ask them
[09:52] <JamesTait> oSoMoN, the only way I know definitely works is to re-upload with a new version.  You can request a manual review, and then the reviewer could download the package and run it against the new tools, but I don't think there's a way to request another automatic review.
[09:58] <conkey3> welp, i get ":-1: warning: security:policy_groups_safe:ubuntu-touch-sdl-template:debug: (REJECT) reserved policy group 'debug': not for production use
[09:58] <conkey3> The debug policy group is automatically injected and should only be used for development.
[09:58] <conkey3> Please use the publish mode to create a package for the store!"
[09:59] <conkey3> i'm trying to run it on the phone. this sdl2 template https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl2-gles2-template/
[10:03] <conkey3> never mind, it's just an warning, template2 seems to work
[10:03] <conkey3> phew
[10:09] <oSoMoN> JamesTait, how would I go about requesting a manual review?
[10:09] <popey> there's a button in the store which lets you oSoMoN
[10:09] <oSoMoN> nevermind, I just saw the big orange button
[10:09] <popey> heh
[10:14] <popey> oSoMoN, approved
[10:15] <oSoMoN> popey, thanks!
[10:15] <popey> np
[10:33] <conkey3> does anyone knows how to add sdl2 image to cmake? :( i have set(LIBRARY_SEARCH_PATHS "lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/") and find_library(SDL2_IMAGE_LIBRARY NAMES SDL2_image PATHS ${LIBRARY_SEARCH_PATHS}) but it doesn't work
[10:46] <slvn_> conkey3, not sure, but could it be done with "target_link_libraries" ?
[10:46] <conkey3> oh, forgot to set SL2_IMAGE LIBRARY... never mind.. i'm stupid today
[10:46] <slvn_> I use SDL2 on ubuntu touch, but not with cmake ... I use cmake with SDL2 on other platform though
[10:47] <conkey3> slvn_, i use sdl2 with cmake because i can deploy the app on the phone :D
[10:48] <conkey3> slvn_, run.. from qt on the phone, i don't need to make a click copy install etc
[10:48] <conkey3> bleah
[10:50] <slvn_> conkey3,  ... I don't have this problem since I have no ubuntu phone nor tablet  (lol).
[10:50] <slvn_> though, doing a script with click/copy/install is quite fast ...
[10:50] <conkey3> slvn_, yep but it's faster from qt :P (i have an mx4)
[10:51] <slvn_> ok! btw, about sdl2 on ubuntu (touch),
[10:51] <slvn_> you must a install the patch from bschaefer, right ?
[10:51] <slvn_> have installed
[10:52] <conkey3> slvn_, i am using your sdl2 binaries from a random sdl2 games spider solitaire or something
[10:52] <conkey3> LOL
[10:52] <slvn_> lol ... that's my game ...
[10:52] <conkey3> i'm to lazy to cross compile sld2
[10:53] <conkey3> yep :D that's your game :)
[10:53] <slvn_> but you can do it as your convenance ...
[10:53] <conkey3> btw, sdl2.0.4 is out (release)
[10:53] <slvn_> yep, I have seen this
[10:54] <mcphail> conkey3: released version of 2.0.4 doesn't have bschaefer's patches
[10:54] <conkey3> :'(
[10:54] <slvn_> the libSDL2 that you are using is almost the sdl2.0.4, it was based on the trunk, and I applied the patch myself + other (mysterious) fixes
[10:54] <mcphail> conkey3: hopefully we'll get a patched version coming into Ubuntu in time for xenial release
[10:55] <conkey3> awesome :D
[10:55] <mcphail> conkey3: until that point, we've all stolen slvn_'s build ;)
[10:56] <slvn_> conkey3,  it you see some bugs please tell me... and if sometime it don't work anymore, tell me also !
[10:56] <conkey3> :)) looks like it! slvn_ is the sdl2 master :D
[10:56] <conkey3> slvn_, i will :D
[10:57] <slvn_> no, I am not sdl2 master, but I start to know well sdl2 :)
[10:58] <slvn_> mcphail,  I  have script that cross compiles sdl2 + libs ... if you need ... but I believe, you have already many mecanism to do that ..
[11:00] <mcphail> slvn_: Thanks. I can build it without too many problems but the current build is working fine for me, so I'm just recycling that one :)
[11:01] <slvn_> btw ... there is a feature not (yet (or never)) merged in SDL2, which is SDL_OpenURL()
[11:02] <slvn_> it working on a few platforms, but not on ubuntu (touch)
[11:02] <slvn_> I mean it works on ubuntu, but not ubuntu-touch
[11:02] <mcphail> Not sure there is a mechanism for that to work on ubuntu-touch...
[11:03] <slvn_> on ubuntu, it uses " execlp("xdg-open", "xdg-open", url, (char *)0);"
[11:03] <slvn_> but I think, it's not existing on touch ...
[11:03] <slvn_> I mean, all OS have this ... to open a link to an external browser ...
[11:04] <mcphail> I don't think confined apps can do this on a platform level. Might be wrong, though
[11:36] <conkey3> slvn_, how do you get the touch coords x,y. there is event.tfinger.x that returns float, looks like it's a normalized value 0..1. so to get the real x value i just have to event.tfinger.x*1152?
[11:37] <conkey3> 1152 is the x res on mx4
[11:40] <slvn_> conkey3,  you get the resolution from "SDL_GetNumDisplayModes"  and "SDL_GetDisplayMode"
[12:32] <victor_bq> Hi all!
[12:32] <victor_bq> someone to answer a question about the current rc?
[14:04] <svenrish> hey. first time into the chat. been thinking of getting ubuntu edition phone. but i need remote desktop. rdp. is this possible?
[14:29] <svenrish> is this where you can get help on ubuntu phone? beginner here!
[14:38] <popey> svenrish, sure.
[14:38] <popey> svenrish, i don't think there's an rdp client yet
[14:39] <svenrish> ok thanks popey. tht will rule out this phone. pitty.
[14:39] <popey> yeah, someone needs to port an rdp / vnc viewer
[14:39] <popey> Or run one under xmir
[14:39] <popey> which could work
[14:40] <svenrish> let me check what xmir is
[14:40] <popey> the ability to run "legacy" x apps under mir (our display server on the phone)
[14:42] <svenrish> so it could be done?
[15:40] <newuser> hi, is this the irc for ubuntu touch ?
[15:47] <ondra> dobey I make shamu build work, but can't test more
[15:48] <ondra> dobey don't have device
[15:48] <dobey> ondra: sure, was just inquiring about general android 5.x support status
[15:51] <ondra> dobey I have it running on Nexus 4 and 7
[15:52] <ondra> dobey needs more love to get BT LE working, I did port before BT LE landed, so kernel needs to be updated
[15:56] <dobey> ondra: cool
[16:25] <mterry> jdstrand, tyhicks: heyo!  There is talk about finally adding a separate "lockscreen password" for the login UI prompt and an "admin password" for passwd/sudo cases.  I wanted to schedule a hangout with whomever on the security team is interested, in order to walk through your requirements for such a scheme (storage of lockscreen password, etc)
[16:25] <mterry> Can I just use the google hangout schedule feature for you two?
[16:29] <tyhicks> mterry: nice! that should be fine
[16:29] <tyhicks> mterry: well, I think we both may be booked pretty solid with work for this week
[16:30] <mterry> hmm ok
[16:30] <tyhicks> mterry: sometime next week would allow us to be a bit more prepared
[16:30] <mterry> cool.  no rush on my side
[16:31]  * ogra_ will find it interesting wheer you will draw the line then ... i.e. will full filemanager access and terminal app access require the secure PW or just the PIN 
[16:35] <yahn> speaking of security, is anyone aware of plans to introduce full device encryption for ubuntu touch?
[16:38] <ogra_> plans are there ...
[16:38] <ogra_> timeline or ETA isnt
[16:38]  * ogra_ guesses that wont happen befoe the phone switches to snappy
[16:56] <mterry> morphis, repo won't let me upload for review without a Signed-off-by tag on my commits.  Do I just add those manually, saying I signed off on my own commits?  Or am I doing something wrong?
[16:59] <morphis> mterry: git commit -s
[16:59] <morphis> git commit --amend -s for already made commits
[17:01] <mterry> morphis, thanks.  I'm not a git head yet  :)
[17:02] <morphis> :-)
[17:02] <morphis> np
[17:21] <mterry> morphis, https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/417 and https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/418 !  <phew>
[17:22] <morphis> mterry: by when do you need this landed?
[17:23] <morphis> mterry: and you may have to redo the same stuff for the other devices we have
[17:25] <mterry> morphis, yeah I started these commits on the krillin OEM branches, before realizing that we even had the general-purpose phablet repos.  So I'm prepared to do the work on the OEM branches at least.  Which devices does the phablet.ubuntu.com repo officially cover?
[17:25] <mterry> morphis, no rush on timing
[17:30] <mariogrip> anyone want to write anything about me? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MariusGripsgard
[19:44] <lpotter> grrrr.. something's going on with my local cell tower today ;/
[19:49]  * davmor2 pictures lpotter with a cell tower on his desk
[19:51] <lpotter> I wish
[19:52] <lpotter> I should get one of those mini personal cell towers
[19:54] <dobey> davmor2: i have a cell tower on my desk. it's a tower made of cell phones.
[19:54] <lpotter> I have a cardboard box under my desk for that
[19:55] <davmor2> dobey: pffff
[19:56] <davmor2> dobey: we all have one of those :)
[21:00] <farad> @tvoss: my GPS started working yesterday
[21:01] <tvoss> farad, now that is good, but still concerning :)
[21:01] <farad> I cannot imagine how, but the testing the evening before seems to have fixed the problem
[21:01] <tvoss> farad, neither can I, and as I mentioned the other day: the error is spurious
[21:02] <tvoss> farad, a so-called heisenbug
[21:03] <farad> probably, yes :)
[21:03] <farad> so for me this case is closed
[21:03] <farad> if I can provide you any additional information just tell me
[21:05] <farad> anyways, thanks for helping me with this!
[21:42] <dobey> anyone know if it's possible to do phablet-shell over bluetooth?