[00:09] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:10] <bluesabre> knome: yes, annoying bug, hard to debug, and gvfs related iirc
[00:13] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, would be good to announce the end of vivid
[00:13] <bluesabre> poor monkey
[00:14] <Unit193> Ubuntu 15.04 "Vivid Vervet" 16
[00:16] <bluesabre> flocculant: a2 might be worthwhile if I can get some releases/uploads done, but for now, not so much
[00:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: You may need to bump the version on your parole daily, no?
[00:20]  * bluesabre is scared to see what the number is at there
[00:24] <Unit193> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/232848351/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.xfce4-power-manager_1.4.4+git-0~1974~ubuntu16.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[07:59] <flocculant> bluesabre: re a2 - ok, leave that final decision to you then, we'll be wanting to know w/c 18th Jan 
[18:49] <knome> pleia2, i'm thinking we could move to using svg artwork for the website. what do you think?
[18:50] <pleia2> knome: you know better than I whether all (or majority of) the browsers would support it
[18:50] <knome> pleia2, it means around 2-2.5% of users won't see the artwork at all or as planned
[18:50] <knome> http://caniuse.com/#feat=svg
[18:50] <pleia2> ok
[18:51] <pleia2> what's the benefit?
[18:51] <knome> first, file size and leanness
[18:51] <pleia2> aren't those the same thing? ;)
[18:51] <knome> second, it's time to stop doing legacy things because some booooring old browsers do not support them
[18:51] <pleia2> story of your life, I'm sure
[18:51] <knome> and of course, svg is vector
[18:52] <knome> this affects the "featured" images the most
[18:52] <pleia2> are we planning on doing things where scaling matters?
[18:52] <Unit193> Hrm, even 8 doesn't support it?  Still likely acceptable enough.
[18:52] <knome> pleia2, what i just said
[18:52] <pleia2> ok
[18:53] <knome> and one thing we could support *better* is big resolutions
[18:53] <pleia2> yeah
[18:53] <knome> think: retina/ultrahd
[18:53] <pleia2> sounds good to me
[18:53] <knome> ok, i'll plan the required changes for the next deploy
[18:53] <knome> basically only the logo svg is something we need to change
[18:54] <knome> the rest come from wordpress already
[18:54] <knome> so it's just a matter of switching
[18:54] <pleia2> "Effective January 12, 2016, Internet Explorer 8 will no longer be supported on any version of Windows,"
[18:54]  * pleia2 looks at the calendar
[18:54] <knome> yep, but more people are still using it than IE9 or IE10 individually
[18:55] <pleia2> ok, well, if we get too many complaints, we'll just tell them not to use an EOL browser :P
[18:55] <knome> heh
[18:55] <pleia2> this is a nice site, thanks
[18:55] <knome> i don't think this will be an issue
[18:56] <knome> np :P
[18:58]  * genii sips
[19:50] <knome> aahhh, that was easier than i thought
[19:50] <knome> eg. no extra fuzzing
[19:50] <knome> now if wordpress only showed previews for svg images in the media manager :)
[19:51] <knome> will look at that later (probably today), now off for some food shopping
[20:19] <knome> pleia2, umm, should mod_rewrite work on the dev server?
[20:19] <pleia2> knome: look in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled directory
[20:19] <pleia2> I didn't set it up, don't remember if it's default or not
[20:20] <knome> apparently not
[20:20] <pleia2> can fix post current meeting if needed
[20:20] <pleia2> k
[20:20] <knome> wfm
[20:22] <Unit193> Is there a link to things yet?
[20:22] <knome> staging.xubuntu.org
[20:22] <knome> static.xubuntu.org is served from that server
[20:22] <knome> as is tracker.xubuntu.org
[20:22] <knome> and docs.xubuntu.org
[20:23] <knome> soon wiki.xubuntu.org
[20:23] <Unit193> Ah yes, that last one.
[22:07] <knome> pleia2, ping me when you are around
[22:24] <pleia2> knome: enabled rewrite
[22:24] <pleia2> I still need to go through the wiki doc to see what I need to enable
[22:24] <knome> thanks
[22:25] <knome> or you can give $somebody sudo rights and get on with it :)
[22:25] <pleia2> yeah, we haven't quite discussed who would help me admin the machine
[22:25] <pleia2> should do :)
[22:27] <knome> i'm available for that, but we obviously should talk about how we want to spread the maintaining
[22:27] <pleia2> but you're a web dev, and web devs spend all day chmod 777 everything
[22:27]  * pleia2 hides
[22:28] <Unit193> Hahah. :D
[22:28] <knome> sure...
[22:29] <knome> i've done my silly things for life already
[22:29] <pleia2> oh ok
[22:30] <pleia2> Adding user knome to group sudo
[22:30] <knome> thanks
[22:30] <knome> now if i only knew my password!
[22:30] <pleia2> haha
[22:31] <Unit193> pleia2: For ssh, pass auth enabled?
[22:32] <pleia2> Unit193: for now, but I set everyone up with ssh keys so no one is using them
[22:33] <Unit193> Nice.
[22:33] <knome> feel free to shut down pass auth
[22:33] <knome> i won't want to use it anyway
[22:33] <pleia2> k
[22:38] <pleia2> anyway, off now
[22:38] <pleia2> still allow root login, but only from my home IP (for backups)
[22:38] <knome> hf!
[22:38] <pleia2> I meant, the auth is off ;)
[22:38] <pleia2> not me
[22:38] <knome> oh
[22:38] <knome> haha
[22:41] <Unit193> Might be the only one that's not off mentally...
[22:42] <pleia2> we're all mad here
[22:43] <knome> yep!
[22:43] <knome> o/
[22:43] <knome> helloooo
[23:30] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:30] <bluesabre> knome: I'd feel bad if our site handled retina/ultrahd and xfce still did not :D
[23:31] <knome> bluesabre, boo hoo! :)
[23:32] <knome> bluesabre, any specific dokuwiki conf you are fond od?
[23:32] <knome> *of
[23:32] <bluesabre> knome: if it works, that's fine by me
[23:32] <knome> hah
[23:56] <sidi> A question for packagers
[23:56] <sidi> say xubuntu-desktop depends on Foo.
[23:56] <sidi> and then the package is updated, and the updated package no longer depends on Foo
[23:56] <knome> xubuntu-desktop depends on Foo.
[23:56] <sidi> will Foo be automatically purged on the next apt-get upgrade?
[23:56] <knome> there, i said it!!
[23:56]  * sidi whips knome with a power cord
[23:57]  * sidi keeps whipping heinously
[23:57] <bluesabre> sidi: nope
[23:57] <sidi> oh wait, this is not -offtopic
[23:57] <bluesabre> it will get purged with autoremove though
[23:57] <sidi> bluesabre, ok, so if I really wanted to make sure users dont have Foo, I should tell them to apt-get autoremove as well
[23:57] <sidi> thanks!
[23:58] <bluesabre> or use some combination of Conflict or Breaks to force it away... but don't do that
[23:58] <sidi> bluesabre, tell me more? :p
[23:59] <sidi> bluesabre, anyway i can tell my participants to remove that package. just was curious if it'd be automatic or not. no biggy if the new meta package is installed with the old package still there, i'm only cleaning up
[23:59] <bluesabre> sidi: yeah, that should be fine
[23:59] <bluesabre> install xubuntu 6.06, then upgrade each release up and have 5 music players