[11:11] <ara> hello!
[11:11] <ara> do you guys know when xserver-xorg-core-lts-wily will be available?
[11:19] <ara> tjaalton, ^
[11:25] <tjaalton> ara: along with the rest, within two weeks I hope
[11:26] <tjaalton> hope you don't need lts-w for cert..
[11:26] <ara> tjaalton, cool, thanks is there a PPA if I want to try before that?
[11:26] <tjaalton> yes, ppa:canonical-x/x-staging
[11:27] <ara> great, will give it a try, because I tried installing wily on my xps 13 (9433) and it was terrible, so I had to return to trusty. I thought it might be a regression in the kernel, but I am now on 4.2 and it works well
[11:28] <ara> tjaalton, thanks!
[11:30] <tjaalton> terrible how?
[11:30] <tjaalton> is it skylake?
[11:30] <ara> no, it is haswell
[11:30] <tjaalton> ok
[11:30] <ara> terrible: sluggish, the cursor hanged every 20 seconds, etc.
[11:31] <tjaalton> k
[11:33] <tjaalton> instructions on installing lts-w https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[11:33] <tjaalton> just replace s/vivid/wily/
[11:33] <ara> I just tried, and I got these errors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14437229/
[11:33] <tjaalton> exactly :)
[11:35] <ara> tjaalton, exactly, what? :)
[11:35] <ara> tjaalton, how can I fix it?
[11:35] <tjaalton> use the instructions
[11:35] <tjaalton> from wiki
[11:36] <tjaalton> apt gets confused
[11:37] <ara> tjaalton, I used what it said in the wiki
[11:38] <tjaalton> oh you had .2 installed? need to revert to stock trusty first
[11:38] <tjaalton> iirc
[11:39] <ara> no, I didn't have it... so weird
[11:40] <tjaalton>  libegl1-mesa-drivers-lts-utopic : Depends: libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-utopic (= 10.3.2-0ubuntu1~trusty2) but it is not going to be installed
[11:40] <tjaalton> you have lts-utopic installed
[11:40] <ara> mmm, no I don't think so
[11:40] <ara> ara@sushirider:~⟫ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core-lts-utopic
[11:40] <ara> xserver-xorg-core-lts-utopic:
[11:40] <ara>   Installed: (none)
[11:40] <ara>   Candidate: 2:1.16.0-1ubuntu1.2~trusty2
[11:40] <ara>   Version table:
[11:40] <ara>      2:1.16.0-1ubuntu1.2~trusty2 0
[11:40] <ara>         500 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main amd64 Packages
[11:40] <ara>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security/main amd64 Packages
[11:41] <tjaalton> libegl1-mesa-drivers-lts-utopic
[11:41] <ara> nop
[11:41] <ara> ara@sushirider:~⟫ apt-cache policy libegl1-mesa-drivers-lts-utopic
[11:41] <ara> libegl1-mesa-drivers-lts-utopic:
[11:41] <ara>   Installed: (none)
[11:41] <ara>   Candidate: 10.3.2-0ubuntu1~trusty2
[11:41] <ara>   Version table:
[11:41] <ara>      10.3.2-0ubuntu1~trusty2 0
[11:41] <ara>         500 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main amd64 Packages
[11:41] <ara>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security/main amd64 Packages
[11:42] <tjaalton> add libegl1-mesa-lts-wily to the list
[11:43] <tjaalton> apt get install command
[11:44] <ara> tjaalton, no luck :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/14437290/
[11:46] <tjaalton> oh, test if you have lts-vivid
[11:47] <tjaalton> or just apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core
[11:50] <ara> 100 ara@sushirider:~⟫ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core
[11:50] <ara> xserver-xorg-core:
[11:50] <ara>   Installed: 2:1.15.1-0ubuntu2.7
[11:50] <ara>   Candidate: 2:1.15.1-0ubuntu2.7
[11:50] <ara>   Version table:
[11:50] <ara>  *** 2:1.15.1-0ubuntu2.7 0
[11:50] <ara>         500 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main amd64 Packages
[11:50] <ara>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security/main amd64 Packages
[11:50] <ara>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:50] <ara>      2:1.15.1-0ubuntu2 0
[11:50] <ara>         500 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages
[11:50] <ara> tjaalton, ^
[11:51] <tjaalton> ok
[12:00] <ara> tjaalton, so I guess we don't know how to fix it?
[12:03] <tjaalton> i'll check it out in a bit, need to fix my car not starting first..
[12:05] <ara> tjaalton, :)
[12:16] <tjaalton> (diesel filter frozen)
[13:45] <mamarley> Is Xenial going to get xorg 1.18?
[13:49] <tjaalton> likely
[13:53] <mamarley> Thanks!
[14:10] <tjaalton> why?
[14:11] <mamarley> Just curious
[14:16] <tjaalton> i'll start pushing things to the staging ppa next week
[14:16] <mamarley> Cool.  No rush, like I said I was just curious.
[14:17] <tjaalton> nah it's been on the todo-list for a while
[14:39] <tjaalton> ara: ok, testing the lts-w down/upgrade now
[14:40] <ara> tjaalton, cool, thanks, let me know
[14:45] <tjaalton> looks like update from lts-vivid to lts-wily works too, but next I'll see how it's with stock trusty..
[15:23] <tjaalton> ara: huh, weird... the wiki command works fine here
[15:23] <ara> tjaalton, weird
[15:23] <ara> tjaalton, do you have any other ppas enabled?
[15:24] <tjaalton> no
[15:24] <tjaalton> this is a fresh install from late-november just for testing this
[15:24] <tjaalton> although, I used .3 and then downgraded to stock
[15:27] <ara> tjaalton, weird, weird, this is a very recent reinstallation
[15:27] <ara> tjaalton, I might try in a vm and will let you know
[15:28] <tjaalton> looks as if you have some package installed which provides xorg-renamed-package-lts-vivid
[15:28] <tjaalton> nvidia?
[15:28] <tjaalton> hum no, that's all-intel
[15:37] <tjaalton> ara: aptitude search '~Pxorg-renamed-package-lts-vivid'
[15:38] <tjaalton> + | grep -v ^p
[15:39] <tjaalton> or just | grep ^i
[15:39] <ara> tjaalton, nothing installed
[15:40] <ara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14438587/
[15:41] <tjaalton> right
[15:49] <ara> tjaalton, removing the ubuntu-sdk changed the error message: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14438658/
[15:50] <tjaalton> ara: so add libgbm.. and libgl1.. to the command, what happends?
[15:51] <ara> tjaalton, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14438678/
[15:53] <ara> tjaalton, this is a pretty new installation (and my HOME folder is in a different partition) so I might just try to reinstall / during the weekend and try then
[15:53] <tjaalton> ara: but if you had ubuntu-sdk it probably pulled in other -dev bits too
[15:53] <ara> tjaalton, I apt-get autoremove after it
[15:54] <tjaalton> you have libgl1-mesa-dev
[15:56] <ara> tjaalton, removign that one made the installation of your packages work! (or so it seems so far)
[15:57] <ara> tjaalton, is that expected? that if you have -dev pacakges installed you cannot upgrade the hwe stack?
[15:58] <tjaalton> should work
[15:58] <tjaalton> I'll try to replicat
[15:58] <tjaalton> e
[15:58] <ara> tjaalton, thanks a lot for your help, I will reboot on the new stack and will let you know if the problems I had on native wily reproduce 
[16:00] <tjaalton> yeah I get the same error now
[16:01] <tjaalton> actually I don't, but close
[16:04] <ara> rebooting now
[16:05] <tjaalton> got it working, just needed to add libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-wily to the install command
[16:06] <tjaalton> though it would then remove libgl1-mesa-dev
[16:08] <ara> tjaalton, in hte new stack now and so far it works well, the issues i had in wily don't reproduce
[16:08] <ara> tjaalton, I don't know if that's good or bad news :D
[16:08] <ara> as my goal was to be able to find the cause and be able to move to wily
[16:09] <tjaalton> heh
[17:16] <ricotz> mamarley, hi, running 361.16 now, so far so good
[17:17] <ricotz> with GNOME 3.19+
[17:31] <mamarley> ricotz: OK, so should I copy it to the main PPA then?
[17:32] <mamarley> (I would definitely put a warning for KDE users to skip this version.)
[18:30] <ricotz> mamarley, yeah, I would say it is fine to copy them
[20:34] <mamarley> ricotz: Awesome, it looks like NVIDIA dropped the driver version suffix from libGL.so and libEGL.so for i386 and amd64 but not armhf...
[20:39] <mamarley> I'm not sure what to do about that since the links.in template is used for all the architectures.
[22:34] <mamarley> Oh, and we got a response from Aaron Plattner about the 361.16 KDE krashing.  It is apparently a bug in Qt, but he has put a workaround into libglvnd and it will be in the next 361 release.
[22:34]  * mamarley wonders if he can compile that himself and swap out the libraries...