| sidi | that seems like a super mega painful way of installing music players man | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| bluesabre | painful, but effective ;) | 00:01 |
| knome | this is still a bit blown out, but | 01:05 |
| knome | http://wiki.xubuntu.org/ | 01:05 |
| bluesabre | knome: yay! | 01:14 |
| genii | Looks alittle spartan but nice | 01:18 |
| knome | you would totally not figure out i'm thinking i might integrate it with the tracker. | 01:21 |
| bluesabre | whaaaaaaaaaa | 01:34 |
| bluesabre | x.x | 01:34 |
| knome | wut? | 01:35 |
| knome | not liking it? :P | 01:35 |
| bluesabre | :) | 01:46 |
| bluesabre | in other news, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/catfish-search/trunk/revision/430 | 01:46 |
| bluesabre | :D | 01:46 |
| knome | heh, yay | 01:47 |
| knome | http://wiki.xubuntu.org/doku.php?id=marketing:start | 01:53 |
| knome | hacky-hack | 01:53 |
| knome | (see the cool title) | 01:53 |
| knome | (and compare to the path in the URL) | 01:53 |
| knome | (or the file path in the page footer) | 01:54 |
| bluesabre | faaaaancy | 01:55 |
| Unit193 | You're going to want to restrict those registrations... | 01:57 |
| knome | also, http://wiki.xubuntu.org/doku.php?id=marketing:licenses | 01:57 |
| knome | Unit193, likely,. | 01:57 |
| knome | anybody want to create an account before i do so? :P | 01:57 |
| knome | i'm off to bed | 02:05 |
| knome | will let you register and stuff | 02:06 |
| knome | ttyl and good night! | 02:06 |
| bluesabre | nighty knome | 02:07 |
| bluesabre | it's okay, looks like the email did not send, or @ubuntu.com redirect failed | 02:09 |
| flocculant | knome: gvfs updates yesterday - thunar is now reverting to type and crashing here :D | 06:25 |
| knome | flocculant, hooray | 10:01 |
| knome | btw, is mousepad crashing for you too? | 10:01 |
| knome | bluesabre, re: email, talking to me? | 10:03 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: woohoo | 11:36 |
| bluesabre | knome: yes, registered with bluesabre@ubuntu, didn't get an email... somebody want to send me a test email? | 11:37 |
| Akxwi-dave | to blusabre@ubuntu.com ? :-) | 11:39 |
| knome | bluesabre, done | 11:39 |
| Akxwi-dave | and morning bluesabre | 11:39 |
| knome | for me, the dokuwiki mail went straight to spam | 11:39 |
| Akxwi-dave | and knome | 11:39 |
| knome | hey Akxwi-dave :) | 11:39 |
| knome | bluesabre, was from email "www-data@xubuntu-dev" | 11:40 |
| knome | bluesabre, that might not ringing the trust bells for your email provider :P | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | knome: doesn't seem to be in my spam or anything | 11:40 |
| knome | weird | 11:40 |
| knome | let me do the following | 11:40 |
| knome | remove your account | 11:40 |
| knome | change the from to something sensible | 11:41 |
| knome | then you can register again | 11:41 |
| bluesabre | k | 11:41 |
| knome | bluesabre, so i also sent you a regular email | 11:43 |
| knome | and the above is done, feel free to re-register | 11:43 |
| bluesabre | knome: yes, responded to it | 11:43 |
| knome | should be noreply@wiki.xubuntu.org now | 11:43 |
| knome | oh yes | 11:43 |
| bluesabre | still not seeing one | 11:46 |
| bluesabre | maybe I should try my non ubuntu one | 11:46 |
| bluesabre | ok, using my gmail worked | 11:47 |
| bluesabre | weird | 11:47 |
| knome | let me remove 1 and then rename 2 to 1 | 11:49 |
| knome | ok? | 11:49 |
| knome | or actually | 11:50 |
| knome | do we need the last modified date to be visible on the wiki at all times? | 12:01 |
| knome | or tbe, do we want to? | 12:01 |
| knome | or is it mostly moot, and we trust that people know how to look at the history | 12:02 |
| bluesabre | I don't think it's bad to display | 12:07 |
| bluesabre | makes it clear when something has not been updated | 12:07 |
| knome | right | 12:08 |
| knome | i'll figure out a place for it then | 12:09 |
| flocculant | knome: mousepad hasn't been crashing no - but I'm using whatever ppa one we have currently ofc | 12:16 |
| knome | mm | 12:16 |
| flocculant | and no way to register at wiki.xubuntu.org here | 12:18 |
| knome | you mean there is no registration link? | 12:18 |
| flocculant | nope | 12:18 |
| knome | lies! | 12:19 |
| flocculant | there was this morning - but at 6 am not something I was going to be doing ... | 12:19 |
| knome | =;) | 12:19 |
| knome | O;) too | 12:19 |
| knome | or, refresh | 12:19 |
| flocculant | http://i.imgur.com/kN85QPC.png | 12:19 |
| knome | refresh | 12:19 |
| flocculant | oh it turned up now on the other side of the page ... | 12:20 |
| knome | ;) | 12:20 |
| knome | cleaning up as i go... | 12:20 |
| flocculant | not very quick sending e-mail is it | 12:22 |
| knome | it is | 12:22 |
| knome | but it's probably in your poop folder | 12:22 |
| knome | wait a second | 12:22 |
| flocculant | nope - they turn up quick too :) | 12:23 |
| knome | ok, so: | 12:34 |
| knome | currently, anybody can read and edit | 12:34 |
| knome | everybody in @team (eg. the xubuntu team) can do anything | 12:35 |
| knome | also, there is a namespace team:* | 12:35 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: are you using your ubuntu email? | 12:35 |
| bluesabre | ubuntu for me never sent, gmail was instant | 12:35 |
| knome | in which team members can do everything, but others can't do anything | 12:35 |
| knome | bluesabre, he doesn't | 12:35 |
| knome | ;) | 12:36 |
| bluesabre | k | 12:36 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I don't have one of those - only ubuntu members do ;) | 12:36 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: gotcha | 12:37 |
| knome | ok, another thing | 12:38 |
| knome | the reason why we are seeing those nice titles is because i've set "use first heading as title" on | 12:38 |
| knome | basically, it does what it says it does | 12:38 |
| knome | but i'm also hiding all <h5> elements | 12:38 |
| knome | so you can do == Any title == | 12:38 |
| knome | and it doesn't show up in the page | 12:38 |
| knome | but it's used as the title if it's the first heading | 12:39 |
| flocculant | knome: new qa page for x.org drafted at https://xubuntu.org/?p=3670&preview=true | 18:12 |
| knome | flocculant, will look today, ta | 18:32 |
| flocculant | knome: yep - no mad rush - and I'm not too concerned what changes you make as long as you don't add urls, once you're ok just change it :) | 18:38 |
| knome | ok, will do | 18:38 |
| knome | flocculant, reviewed, changed some formatting (mostly adding <strong> and removed some low-level headings) and pushed to production | 19:24 |
| knome | looks good now, great work! | 19:25 |
| flocculant | knome: cheers | 19:47 |
| flocculant | I'll mail the list and let those interested in qa know about the docs page soon :) | 19:48 |
| akxwi-dave | ooohh more emails to read.. :-) | 20:05 |
| knome | flocculant, i haven't copied the qa stuff from the old ubuntu wiki over to the xubuntu wiki yet, but i will be doing that soon | 20:11 |
| knome | flocculant, fwiw, there are few syntax differences between moinmoin and dokuwiki, but they are minor once converted | 20:12 |
| knome | flocculant, i've tried to remove stuff we don't need from http://wiki.xubuntu.org/wiki/syntax thus making it easier to read | 20:13 |
| flocculant | ack | 20:17 |
| flocculant | hey akxwi-dave didn't know you were about - http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-team.html is live now, the x.org/cont/qa stuff is basic with a pointer to the new stuff | 20:17 |
| flocculant | knome: re the new wiki - I assume we're not using that for 'everything' eg roadmap specs ? and the like | 20:19 |
| flocculant | talking of the like - what are we actually going to do about 'team can do posts about what they use instead of gmb' ? | 20:20 |
| knome | flocculant, for the first question, the goal is to use the new wiki for everything, but i'm not sure if we will move all the archive over yet | 20:20 |
| flocculant | mmm | 20:20 |
| knome | flocculant, for the latter, i'll need to set that up, and as long as i have time, we'll do that | 20:20 |
| flocculant | not completely sold on that then | 20:21 |
| knome | oh? | 20:21 |
| akxwi-dave | hi flocculant , that looks really nice | 20:21 |
| flocculant | knome: yea - things that are effectively ephemeral like roadmap - I'd say current loc is best | 20:21 |
| knome | well practically we don't HAVE a roadmap for xenial in the wiki | 20:22 |
| knome | it's just the tracker now | 20:22 |
| flocculant | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer for instance | 20:22 |
| flocculant | 'our' wiki is the wrong place imo - let canonical hold dead stuff :) | 20:23 |
| knome | well as i said, i don't know about moving the archive | 20:23 |
| flocculant | inxi - that's be better on our wiki than the x.org | 20:23 |
| knome | what's the difference between our wiki and x.org? ;) | 20:23 |
| flocculant | knome: yea ... but y,z , 1,2,3 cycle ... | 20:23 |
| * knome shrugs | 20:24 | |
| knome | the new wiki is FASTER | 20:24 |
| flocculant | knome: oh my ... | 20:24 |
| knome | and we have total control over it | 20:24 |
| flocculant | right | 20:24 |
| knome | literally | 20:24 |
| knome | no canonical involced | 20:24 |
| knome | *involved | 20:24 |
| knome | so... | 20:24 |
| knome | yeah | 20:24 |
| flocculant | just let me run for a moment ;) | 20:24 |
| knome | there are many benefits for using it, even for temporary/short-lived stuff | 20:24 |
| flocculant | I don't see that | 20:25 |
| knome | see what? :D | 20:25 |
| flocculant | what is the benefit in having something like a spec lying dead on our wiki for years? | 20:25 |
| knome | you can ask pleia2 about why archiving is important | 20:25 |
| flocculant | I see a benefit in having things like the x.org inxi on our wiki | 20:25 |
| flocculant | oh nvm - whatever | 20:26 |
| knome | i mean, i don't mind archiving myself | 20:26 |
| knome | sometimes i think it's more useful to just delete | 20:26 |
| knome | but specs that actually happened are useful IMO at least | 20:26 |
| flocculant | really - not interested that much - just think that we should keep our wiki for useful things | 20:26 |
| knome | specs that were just babble... not so much | 20:26 |
| flocculant | being able to see what happened 10 years ago - really who cares ? | 20:27 |
| knome | it serves as a refresher as to why things were done how they were | 20:27 |
| knome | that might be useful when we are figuring out something else later | 20:27 |
| flocculant | yea - see half a dozen lines up | 20:27 |
| knome | sure, some specs are more useful than others... | 20:28 |
| knome | but seriously, pleia2 is the archiving zealot here;) | 20:28 |
| flocculant | yea I understand | 20:37 |
| knome | our irc channel is logged, our mailing list is logged | 20:38 |
| knome | why the specifications wouldn't? | 20:38 |
| flocculant | I just think that just because we CAN do something with OUR wiki doesn't mean we should - there is a perfectly useful archiving medium available - the current wiki | 20:38 |
| flocculant | oh I give up | 20:38 |
| flocculant | don't care enough to worry - hardly likely to be something I bother with anyway | 20:38 |
| knome | what's the difference if we create the new spec in the new or old wiki? | 20:38 |
| knome | it's more work to remove it than to leave it | 20:39 |
| knome | and there's no damage being done if it's available even if nobody uses it | 20:39 |
| flocculant | why fill our one up wioth dead stuff? what do we gain by changing it? | 20:39 |
| knome | i said i don't know about existing stuff | 20:39 |
| knome | but new stuff is different | 20:40 |
| flocculant | no it isn't | 20:40 |
| knome | if we write new specs, then it makes sense to have them in the same place as all other information | 20:40 |
| knome | or do you rather use 6 tools than one? | 20:40 |
| flocculant | *shrug* you and pleia2 decide what we should do | 20:40 |
| knome | my shoulder hurts from shrugging so i won't shrug | 20:41 |
| flocculant | make sure the xpl listens to all sides of the argument before he decides though please | 20:41 |
| knome | ochosi, ping ^, if you want to bother reading the backlog | 20:42 |
| flocculant | I'll be back tomorrow anyway | 20:42 |
| knome | have a nice evening :) | 20:42 |
| pleia2 | I like history, it's nice to be able to point new people to why and when we made a decision long ago | 20:58 |
| pleia2 | and I don't see what it hurts to keep things around | 20:58 |
| pleia2 | also nice to point to people that we've had a discussion before (like the DefaultMediaPlayer), good historical information' | 21:00 |
| pleia2 | maybe not current, but when someone comes along and says "you should totally use $x" we can look back at why we didn't before, and if it has the features we need now | 21:01 |
| ochosi | evening all | 21:05 |
| ochosi | humm, so much backlog | 21:06 |
| ochosi | well anyway, starting to read.. | 21:06 |
| ochosi | alright, so whenever one of you guys is around, feel free to ping me | 21:10 |
| ochosi | personally i think it's a good thing to port over the things we consider valuable from the old wiki, but yeah, i wouldn't bother removing it from there | 21:10 |
| ochosi | apart from having a big link on the frontpage of the old wiki maybe, saying that this is just "a fridge" or something and that the cool kids are someplace else now | 21:11 |
| ochosi | humm, gotta admit that it sucks a bit that our shimmer-themes package which was once a source for various artwork will likely be cut down to just greybird in 16.04... | 21:14 |
| ochosi | but yeah, gtk theme maintenance wears people out | 21:14 |
| flocculant | pleia2: I've no problem with keeping things about - but given that things like specs are ephemeral or even completely ignored during a cycle - why fill up a clean pristine wiki that we can use to give people real and useful information with it - why not just carry on putting that stuff on canonical's servers | 21:16 |
| flocculant | that's the main issue imo - other than that - it's wiki, I have no real interest, I hate writing that stuff in various arcane syntax's :) | 21:17 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: I don't really care where it's kept, as long as we don't delete it forever | 21:17 |
| flocculant | pleia2: welcome to the impending ice age where no-one cares about that stuff :p | 21:18 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: but it is worth noting, I don't share your opinion about the problem with filling up a clean pristine wiki, what exactly are we "filling up"? We have plenty of space, etc etc | 21:18 |
| flocculant | personally if we've got a server we can use - an irc bouncer that team can use would be more useful imo :) | 21:18 |
| pleia2 | it really is helpful for new contributors to have access to history, I know I like it when I join a project, helps me feel like I can figure out things myself without asking why we do everything all the time | 21:19 |
| pleia2 | I don't really see how irc bouncers and wikis impact each other | 21:19 |
| flocculant | pleia2: well - personally I wouldn't be that worried about something that happened 20 years ago being in one place, if it's on the net somewhere it's on the net | 21:20 |
| pleia2 | we're not talking 20 years :) so far maybe 5 | 21:20 |
| flocculant | and unless there's going to be some sort of usable index on 'our' wiki - in time it will be as much a pita as the ubuntu ones | 21:20 |
| pleia2 | that wiki link you shared earlier was only a few months old | 21:20 |
| flocculant | pleia2: yea ofc - because it was just an example, forget the date of it - why would anyone want to know in 10 years that in 6 months of 1 year people thought about doing something - then didn't ? | 21:21 |
| flocculant | history is great - but pointless history is pointless :) | 21:21 |
| ochosi | pleia2: +1 | 21:22 |
| pleia2 | flocculant: when we hit 10 years, we can talk about this again :) | 21:22 |
| flocculant | yea | 21:22 |
| flocculant | of course | 21:22 |
| ochosi | i think this is pretty much a non-issue | 21:22 |
| flocculant | ochosi: to a certain extent it is yes | 21:23 |
| ochosi | first of all it's awesome that we have our own wiki and that it is under our control (finally). so go us! (or knome and pleia2) | 21:23 |
| flocculant | but can anyone anywhere at anytime write a spec for Xubuntu - or do they have to come and ask if they can? | 21:23 |
| ochosi | wait, that seems like a different subject | 21:24 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yea - totally agree, love that we have our space | 21:24 |
| ochosi | and yes, ofc everyone can write specs, if they want to share those with us they *should* come here and talk about it | 21:24 |
| flocculant | not really - just an extrapolation of where we are | 21:24 |
| ochosi | that was always the same | 21:24 |
| flocculant | ochosi: no - anyone can edit an ubuntu wiki page if they have sso or whatver | 21:25 |
| ochosi | yeah, if they have sso, fine | 21:25 |
| flocculant | doesn't mean we take any notice of it | 21:25 |
| ochosi | still, if they don't talk to us and just add a page/spec to the wiki that's not very useful | 21:25 |
| flocculant | ok | 21:25 |
| flocculant | whatever, nvm | 21:26 |
| ochosi | so personally i don't think that dramatically increases the threshold of contributing (if that's what you're aiming at) | 21:26 |
| flocculant | someone coming here cap in hand saying can I do this isn't a dramtic increase? | 21:26 |
| flocculant | I think you'll find that it is ;) | 21:26 |
| flocculant | but whatever | 21:26 |
| flocculant | really back tomorrow :) | 21:27 |
| knome | anybody can still come and write a spec in the xubuntu wiki | 21:27 |
| ochosi | ok, ttyl | 21:27 |
| knome | only some pages are blocked from non-team "contributions" | 21:27 |
| knome | and of course i want to make sure we have a useful index for the wiki | 21:27 |
| knome | http://wiki.xubuntu.org/?do=index is already quite good, even if no "extra work" was done to make it happen | 21:28 |
| knome | ochosi, i see you don't have an account yet | 21:28 |
| ochosi | yeah, just came in a few mins ago ;) | 21:29 |
| ochosi | but that was on my agenda for tonight | 21:29 |
| knome | ochosi, maybe you should create one so i could appoint you to the @team team | 21:29 |
| knome | or you can tell which email you like and i can do that for you | 21:29 |
| ochosi | done | 21:29 |
| ochosi | nono, you're already doing a lot with this web setup | 21:30 |
| ochosi | really kudos on that! | 21:30 |
| knome | ok, you're now in the @team team | 21:30 |
| * knome bows | 21:30 | |
| knome | and np | 21:30 |
| knome | i want this myself too... | 21:30 |
| knome | so a short recap: | 21:30 |
| ochosi | cool cool | 21:30 |
| knome | there is a team: namespace | 21:30 |
| knome | that is only readable by the team | 21:30 |
| knome | i don't know what we're using it for (yet), but i'm sure there is need at some point, so i've went ahead and set it up already | 21:31 |
| knome | the start page and the contact page are also protected from non-team member edits | 21:31 |
| knome | also, i don't mind maintainin the wiki and making sure the launch is smooth, but at some point, we might want somebody else to be an admin as well - if i'm away for whatever reason etc. | 21:32 |
| ochosi | sure, that all makes perfect sense | 21:33 |
| knome | my knee jerk reaction is bluesabre, because he's administrating other dokuwiki wikis and knows a bit or two about the admin | 21:33 |
| ochosi | yeah | 21:33 |
| knome | but it's a simple web UI trigger, so we don't need to do that now | 21:33 |
| ochosi | if he's fine with it, i'm fine with it | 21:33 |
| knome | or in other words it doesn't require careful planning | 21:34 |
| knome | just do it when we've decided | 21:34 |
| ochosi | fwiw, that thunar/gvfs rename bug/crash doesn't seem to be there in xenial (just tested) | 21:34 |
| knome | ok, nice | 21:34 |
| knome | what about the mousepad one? | 21:34 |
| ochosi | hmm, which one was that? | 21:34 |
| knome | it crashes randomly | 21:34 |
| knome | i think it's usually related to moving tabs from another window to other | 21:35 |
| ochosi | aha | 21:35 |
| ochosi | hadn't noticed | 21:35 |
| knome | but i'm not completely sure because i haven't logged it too much | 21:35 |
| ochosi | doesn't sound like something i can reproduce quickly and reliably | 21:35 |
| ochosi | i'll focus on other stuff for starters | 21:35 |
| knome | one thing it also could have to do with is that i often have many files over sshfs open | 21:35 |
| ochosi | well, i noticed that having around 10+ mousepad instances open makes it crash | 21:36 |
| ochosi | (in wily) | 21:36 |
| knome | yeah... | 21:36 |
| knome | today i had a weird crash | 21:36 |
| knome | apparently mousepad started writing to HDD a lot | 21:36 |
| knome | because it made a lot of noise | 21:36 |
| knome | then it crashed | 21:36 |
| ochosi | but yeah, for the moment i'd prefer to focus on greybird bugs | 21:36 |
| knome | but not like disappeared, i had the usual xfce dialog saying it's not responding | 21:37 |
| ochosi | cause mousepad can be fixed by somebody else, but i presume greybird will remain my responsibility | 21:37 |
| knome | usually the windows just disappear | 21:37 |
| knome | ala thunar | 21:37 |
| knome | yeah, probably so | 21:37 |
| knome | i'll try to get some more useful information out of the bug before i whine about it the next time | 21:37 |
| knome | now, | 21:37 |
| knome | bbiab/bbl | 21:37 |
| flocculant | knome: I rarely have more than a couple of 'pad's or 'pad and tabs at one time - I'll see if I can reproduce with more | 21:50 |
| ochosi | flocculant: since you're one of the folks using xenial the most, please let me know when you see visual oddities | 21:52 |
| ochosi | i gotta fix up greybird for it | 21:52 |
| flocculant | knome pleia2 - and just for the record, and history, I do appreciate the new stuff we have going :) | 21:52 |
| ochosi | just started with a first commit fixing the sidebars in the open file dialog (e.g. in evince) | 21:52 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yep - I know, only oddity I know of right now is an issue with icon/icon+text/text in something | 21:54 |
| ochosi | a-ha? | 21:54 |
| flocculant | and if people use ubuntu fonts it all goes wrong | 21:54 |
| ochosi | got an example? | 21:54 |
| ochosi | oh | 21:54 |
| ochosi | not sure that is greybird's fault | 21:54 |
| ochosi | but yeah, still let me know | 21:54 |
| flocculant | hang on - bug reported on tracker | 21:54 |
| flocculant | font thing is a font thing - not us | 21:55 |
| flocculant | bug 1510540 | 21:55 |
| ubottu | bug 1510540 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "Text next to icons doesn't work on GTK themes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510540 | 21:55 |
| flocculant | the mousepad search higlight one is really a pain for someone not young like you lot :D | 21:56 |
| flocculant | ochosi: generally I'm not seeing anything stand out eww theme wise, but I'm also trying to get fonts etc to look nice with a new monitor - not easy seemingly | 21:57 |
| ochosi | ok, i'll take a look at that one | 21:57 |
| ochosi | mousepad search highlight is knome's department (or actually last i remember it was mousepad not really applying all highlight classes or something) | 21:58 |
| flocculant | ochosi: let me just double check that after a bunch of updates | 21:58 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yea - but arty so I told you :) | 21:58 |
| ochosi | example of a visual glitch: | 21:58 |
| ochosi | catfish's location selector combobox has a double border | 21:59 |
| ochosi | and i have no clue as to why | 21:59 |
| flocculant | rounded in square ? | 21:59 |
| knome | mousepad doesn't "get" all syntax | 22:00 |
| knome | and i still have the highlight issue on my TODO | 22:00 |
| flocculant | knome: yep - pretty important imo, people with older hardware more likely to be older with old eyes :) | 22:01 |
| knome | not disagreeing with that | 22:01 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:03 |
| flocculant | ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/f50lRX6.png and http://i.imgur.com/0pYMVOS.png | 22:03 |
| flocculant | ochosi: and re numix, if no-one can maintain that, then imo we should drop it for lts | 22:04 |
| knome | text under icons looks okay to me | 22:05 |
| flocculant | just so people know I do actually check the backlog in here :D | 22:05 |
| knome | the dialog padding doesn't :X | 22:05 |
| ochosi | yeah, that dialog is terrible | 22:05 |
| flocculant | text under is fine - text next is completely transparent ... | 22:06 |
| ochosi | flocculant: yeah, i'd give satya some time, but ultimately we might have to drop it | 22:06 |
| ochosi | re: text next, doesn't it work in all apps? | 22:06 |
| ochosi | maybe some just don't implement toolbars correctly/fully | 22:06 |
| flocculant | knome: don't forget I'm fighting fonts and stuff with this new monitor for some reason :( | 22:06 |
| knome | oh right, text next | 22:06 |
| knome | :D | 22:06 |
| knome | flocculant, i didn't forget, i didn't know you were | 22:06 |
| flocculant | knome: only because you didn't read the backlog :p | 22:07 |
| knome | yes.... | 22:08 |
| flocculant | ochosi: not sure - it took a while to find some 'app' that affected anyway - globaltime prefs was the first one I found :D | 22:08 |
| flocculant | ochosi: and the double border I'm sure I saw mentioned in -desktop so just assumed that would get done | 22:09 |
| flocculant | knome: flocculant> ochosi: generally I'm not seeing anything stand out eww theme wise, but I'm also trying to get fonts etc to look nice with a new monitor - not easy seemingly | 22:11 |
| flocculant | that :) | 22:11 |
| ochosi | flocculant: debugged toolbar issue and commented | 22:11 |
| ochosi | guess that is not a bug, so nothing to worry about for us there | 22:11 |
| flocculant | ochosi: cool :) | 22:12 |
| flocculant | marked it as such then | 22:12 |
| ochosi | yup, also i guess nobody cared enough before you came along ;) | 22:12 |
| ochosi | i for one never tried that setting | 22:12 |
| flocculant | well it was actually akxwi found it :) | 22:13 |
| flocculant | not me - totally missed it twice | 22:13 |
| ochosi | ok, so i pushed some fixes to greybird for xenial, so if you test please use the shimmer daily PPA or ask bluesabre to update the pkg ;) | 22:13 |
| ochosi | i don't see any other obvious glitches in our default apps for now | 22:13 |
| ochosi | but i'll keep looking | 22:13 |
| flocculant | knome pleia2 - can you perhaps bump the irc package session media things a bit for us | 22:14 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I've been running with the 3 main ppa's since November or so | 22:14 |
| flocculant | but not the best person to notice either ;) | 22:14 |
| ochosi | wow, not cool: http://i.imgur.com/z7y2die.png | 22:15 |
| ochosi | (look at the username with focus) | 22:15 |
| ochosi | flocculant: that's ok | 22:15 |
| flocculant | seems that those sessions get better responses from the social stuff | 22:15 |
| flocculant | ochosi: might just be vbox issue, hardware doesn't look like that | 22:16 |
| flocculant | nope I lied - should have looked first, didn't see that - never change user | 22:16 |
| knome | flocculant, just redo essentially the same, or is there something new? | 22:17 |
| flocculant | same on hardware | 22:17 |
| knome | flocculant, re: irc session... | 22:17 |
| flocculant | that's confused me :) | 22:17 |
| knome | flocculant, you asekd social media bump for irc session; do you want to repeat the same message or do you have something else to say? | 22:18 |
| ochosi | flocculant: no worries, fixed it already | 22:18 |
| ochosi | wow, indicator-sound looks really boring without any apps there | 22:19 |
| knome | flocculant, the earlier message being https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/679446515472052224 | 22:19 |
| flocculant | knome: oh sorry, nothing new - still not got a date set | 22:19 |
| knome | oki | 22:19 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: we should add parole to indicator-sound by default, since that's our only *media* player now (currently it's empty, used to be gmusicbrowser) | 22:20 |
| flocculant | currently we have 'some team' and 4 people with 2 time sets | 22:20 |
| flocculant | knome: ^^ | 22:20 |
| flocculant | ochosi: so should we move to the xfce one instead ? | 22:20 |
| flocculant | ochosi: on the other hand - once people add a media tool, it populates | 22:21 |
| ochosi | i think the xfce plugin isn't really ready yet | 22:21 |
| flocculant | mine has clementine, banshee,r'box, exaile and gmb in it | 22:21 |
| ochosi | although it works ok, but it's not yet a full replacement | 22:21 |
| ochosi | as long as indicator-sound works and doesn't break, i'd keep it for nw | 22:22 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ok - not had too many issues here when I used it | 22:22 |
| flocculant | ochosi: probably for the best for 16.04 I guess :) | 22:22 |
| knome | flocculant, https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/685587460454232064 | 22:23 |
| flocculant | \o/ | 22:23 |
| flocculant | that's just about perfect :) | 22:23 |
| knome | good | 22:23 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i guess it's all about enabling parole's MPRIS2 plugin by default (i'd +1 that). for now i'll just drop gmb from the interested players... | 22:23 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/587 | 22:26 |
| flocculant | ochosi: fixed the odd login username focus thing? | 22:30 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ok, and another x-d-s commit enabling the MPRIS2 plugin (i hope this works on all archs, the property seems fairly specific...) | 22:30 |
| ochosi | flocculant: sure sure | 22:30 |
| ochosi | long time ago already | 22:31 |
| ochosi | approx 1 min after i discovered it ;) | 22:31 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 22:31 |
| ochosi | alright, i think i fixed enough bugs for tonight | 22:31 |
| ochosi | strolling off to the couch to watch some tv | 22:31 |
| ochosi | if you discover other issues lemme know | 22:31 |
| knome | lol | 22:31 |
| knome | night | 22:31 |
| flocculant | ochosi: what fixed in? I'll look for the thing dropping here? | 22:31 |
| flocculant | yep - night night ochosi :) | 22:32 |
| ochosi | i just pushed some fixes to greybird, so you'll see it on the next daily build ;) | 22:32 |
| * flocculant will just watch for random arty package updates :p | 22:32 | |
| ochosi | i'll prolly return in an hour or so to see whether bluesabre is around | 22:33 |
| ochosi | and answers at least half of my random pings | 22:33 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yea - guessed, will ping if I see something odd now I know it's there as an issue :) | 22:33 |
| ochosi | ok cool | 22:34 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: meh, for some reason those buttons in xfpanel-switch's toolbar are not linked, hence they look awful :/ | 22:34 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: plus the app name in alt-tab says "xfpanel switch py" | 22:36 |
| ochosi | booh | 22:36 |
| flocculant | ochosi: so didn't think about it ^^, but if text next to icon is not completely supported - the test asks people to look, so should we ditch that bit of the test? | 22:37 |
| flocculant | just to forestall pointless bug reports | 22:37 |
| ochosi | yes | 22:37 |
| ochosi | we should | 22:37 |
| ochosi | doesn't make sense to test that | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: they should be linked | 22:39 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: the other issue, I can confirm | 22:39 |
| bluesabre | still catching up on backlog | 22:40 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: hf :p | 22:40 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: crap, just noticed this is another greybird 3.18 issue | 22:40 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ok - report that now so I catch it later | 22:40 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: same problem in menulibre | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | with the unlinked or alt-tab? | 22:42 |
| ochosi | unlinked | 22:43 |
| ochosi | alt-tab is definitely a code issue | 22:43 |
| ochosi | app name isn't set in the appp | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:43 |
| ochosi | menulibre does it right | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | catfish should too, its a dumb property that really should be set automatically, but catfish and menulibre have the code for that | 22:44 |
| ochosi | yup | 22:44 |
| ochosi | should be a one-liner | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | mpris I'd +1 | 22:44 |
| flocculant | can I do that as well :) | 22:45 |
| flocculant | mpris I'd +1 | 22:45 |
| ochosi | sure sure :) | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | go for it | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:45 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:45 |
| ochosi | i already pushed it, but thanks for the support ;) | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | oh goodie | 22:45 |
| ochosi | so yeah, greybird needs a pkg update and x-d-s does too | 22:45 |
| ochosi | although i still need to fix those darn toolbar buttons | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | I'm going to work on a number of small tasks tonight and this weekend, trying to fix bugs here and there | 22:46 |
| ochosi | nice | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | so, xfpm, greybird, x-d-s package updates | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | what else? | 22:46 |
| ochosi | i had a quiet hour too tonight to get stuff done | 22:46 |
| ochosi | well, the icon updates are not very crucial i suppose | 22:46 |
| ochosi | but they should be uploaded at some point with a x-artwork package | 22:47 |
| flocculant | ochosi: I saw you had but I thought I would support you anyway :) | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | expecting to do any more of those soon? might be good to get us up to speed this cycle | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | all sorts of package updates this weekend in that regard | 22:47 |
| ochosi | flocculant: yup, thanks :) | 22:47 |
| flocculant | :) | 22:47 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, not sure what else we need | 22:47 |
| flocculant | ochosi bluesabre - so while we are all here, nix a2 and wait for b1 ? | 22:48 |
| Unit193 | Uhh, really bluesabre? | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | hey Unit193 | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | huh? | 22:48 |
| Unit193 | <property name="plugins" type="string" value="/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/parole-0/parole-mpris2.so"/> ? | 22:49 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: there are a few more icons to fix yeah, and i wanted to push the distroo specific stuff to a separate branch, not sure when i get to that | 22:49 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: may as well | 22:49 |
| ochosi | Unit193: yeah, that's what i meant before | 22:49 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: ah, yes, that won't work | 22:49 |
| Unit193 | Oooh, Simon is drunk. | 22:49 |
| ochosi | not really | 22:49 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ack then - unless something changes in the near future - all it takes is a mail in time to -release list | 22:50 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: we've had some good testing so far (right?) and plenty of bug reports, so I think skipping a2 should be good and we can work hard for b1 | 22:50 |
| Unit193 | (Kidding, kidding.) Usually it looks like the format used is 'parole-mpris2', and the one used of course won't work on anything apart from Amd64. | 22:50 |
| bluesabre | a2 is jan 28, b1 is feb 25 | 22:51 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I *think* so - all I can see is what I have done and tracker reports, and I do try and check bugs out too | 22:51 |
| flocculant | but pretty much, | 22:51 |
| flocculant | as wily is xenial | 22:51 |
| bluesabre | with plenty of gtk bugs | 22:52 |
| flocculant | mmm | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | er, xenial is wily with plenty of gtk bugs | 22:53 |
| flocculant | I think we should use qt | 22:53 |
| flocculant | can we have clementine now? | 22:53 |
| flocculant | :D | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | i think you're thinking of qubuntu | 22:53 |
| flocculant | bluesabre ha ha ha | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | I'd say lubuntu... but lxqt is still not on the map | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:54 |
| flocculant | no don't say that | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 22:55 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: oh man, that fix for the linked buttons won't be much fun | 23:04 |
| ochosi | ok, pushed the parole mpris plugin fix fix | 23:16 |
| ochosi | meh, so the linked buttons in inline-toolbars are broken in light-themes as well (as always, only adwaita works) | 23:48 |
| flocculant | so | 23:49 |
| flocculant | we should just remove numix and adwaita and then go for a dose of hope :) | 23:49 |
| flocculant | or love | 23:50 |
| ochosi | yeah i guess | 23:51 |
| flocculant | ochosi: see the trouble is I'll not see anything arty until you say 'what about that?' then it's just a house of cards :) | 23:51 |
| ochosi | well actually this means i will have to rebase greybird on adwaita for >16.04 | 23:51 |
| flocculant | :( | 23:51 |
| ochosi | lots and lotsa work considering xfce won't be gtk3 by then | 23:52 |
| flocculant | rebasing is just pita I assume, cos a bunch of versions | 23:52 |
| flocculant | yea - what I assumed | 23:52 |
| ochosi | well, it basically means i'll have to start from scratch | 23:52 |
| ochosi | cause it's not just rebasing, but CSS -> SASS | 23:53 |
| flocculant | oh that's really crud | 23:53 |
| ochosi | anyhow, enough rambling | 23:53 |
| ochosi | night y'all, i need some sleep | 23:53 |
| flocculant | for april? | 23:53 |
| ochosi | that one i don't get | 23:53 |
| flocculant | for 16.04 then? | 23:54 |
| flocculant | oh nvm >16.04 :) | 23:54 |
| flocculant | sleep well ochosi :) | 23:54 |
| ochosi | thanks, night! | 23:55 |
| flocculant | :) | 23:55 |
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