[00:01] <sidi> that seems like a super mega painful way of installing music players man
[00:01] <bluesabre> painful, but effective ;)
[01:05] <knome> this is still a bit blown out, but
[01:05] <knome> http://wiki.xubuntu.org/
[01:14] <bluesabre> knome: yay!
[01:18] <genii> Looks alittle spartan but nice
[01:21] <knome> you would totally not figure out i'm thinking i might integrate it with the tracker.
[01:34] <bluesabre> whaaaaaaaaaa
[01:34] <bluesabre> x.x
[01:35] <knome> wut?
[01:35] <knome> not liking it? :P
[01:46] <bluesabre> :)
[01:46] <bluesabre> in other news, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/catfish-search/trunk/revision/430
[01:46] <bluesabre> :D
[01:47] <knome> heh, yay
[01:53] <knome> http://wiki.xubuntu.org/doku.php?id=marketing:start
[01:53] <knome> hacky-hack
[01:53] <knome> (see the cool title)
[01:53] <knome> (and compare to the path in the URL)
[01:54] <knome> (or the file path in the page footer)
[01:55] <bluesabre> faaaaancy
[01:57] <Unit193> You're going to want to restrict those registrations...
[01:57] <knome> also, http://wiki.xubuntu.org/doku.php?id=marketing:licenses
[01:57] <knome> Unit193, likely,.
[01:57] <knome> anybody want to create an account before i do so? :P
[02:05] <knome> i'm off to bed
[02:06] <knome> will let you register and stuff
[02:06] <knome> ttyl and good night!
[02:07] <bluesabre> nighty knome
[02:09] <bluesabre> it's okay, looks like the email did not send, or @ubuntu.com redirect failed
[06:25] <flocculant> knome: gvfs updates yesterday - thunar is now reverting to type and crashing here :D
[10:01] <knome> flocculant, hooray
[10:01] <knome> btw, is mousepad crashing for you too?
[10:03] <knome> bluesabre, re: email, talking to me?
[11:36] <bluesabre> flocculant: woohoo
[11:37] <bluesabre> knome: yes, registered with bluesabre@ubuntu, didn't get an email... somebody want to send me a test email?
[11:39] <Akxwi-dave> to blusabre@ubuntu.com ?   :-)
[11:39] <knome> bluesabre, done
[11:39] <Akxwi-dave> and morning bluesabre 
[11:39] <knome> for me, the dokuwiki mail went straight to spam
[11:39] <Akxwi-dave> and knome 
[11:39] <knome> hey Akxwi-dave :)
[11:40] <knome> bluesabre, was from email "www-data@xubuntu-dev"
[11:40] <knome> bluesabre, that might not ringing the trust bells for your email provider :P
[11:40] <bluesabre> knome: doesn't seem to be in my spam or anything
[11:40] <knome> weird
[11:40] <knome> let me do the following
[11:40] <knome> remove your account
[11:41] <knome> change the from to something sensible
[11:41] <knome> then you can register again
[11:41] <bluesabre> k
[11:43] <knome> bluesabre, so i also sent you a regular email
[11:43] <knome> and the above is done, feel free to re-register
[11:43] <bluesabre> knome: yes, responded to it
[11:43] <knome> should be noreply@wiki.xubuntu.org now
[11:43] <knome> oh yes
[11:46] <bluesabre> still not seeing one
[11:46] <bluesabre> maybe I should try my non ubuntu one
[11:47] <bluesabre> ok, using my gmail worked
[11:47] <bluesabre> weird
[11:49] <knome> let me remove 1 and then rename 2 to 1
[11:49] <knome> ok?
[11:50] <knome> or actually
[12:01] <knome> do we need the last modified date to be visible on the wiki at all times?
[12:01] <knome> or tbe, do we want to?
[12:02] <knome> or is it mostly moot, and we trust that people know how to look at the history
[12:07] <bluesabre> I don't think it's bad to display
[12:07] <bluesabre> makes it clear when something has not been updated
[12:08] <knome> right
[12:09] <knome> i'll figure out a place for it then
[12:16] <flocculant> knome: mousepad hasn't been crashing no - but I'm using whatever ppa one we have currently ofc 
[12:16] <knome> mm
[12:18] <flocculant> and no way to register at wiki.xubuntu.org here
[12:18] <knome> you mean there is no registration link?
[12:18] <flocculant> nope
[12:19] <knome> lies!
[12:19] <flocculant> there was this morning - but at 6 am not something I was going to be doing ... 
[12:19] <knome> =;)
[12:19] <knome> O;) too
[12:19] <knome> or, refresh
[12:19] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/kN85QPC.png
[12:19] <knome> refresh
[12:20] <flocculant> oh it turned up now on the other side of the page ... 
[12:20] <knome> ;)
[12:20] <knome> cleaning up as i go...
[12:22] <flocculant> not very quick sending e-mail is it 
[12:22] <knome> it is
[12:22] <knome> but it's probably in your poop folder
[12:22] <knome> wait a second
[12:23] <flocculant> nope - they turn up quick too :)
[12:34] <knome> ok, so:
[12:34] <knome> currently, anybody can read and edit
[12:35] <knome> everybody in @team (eg. the xubuntu team) can do anything
[12:35] <knome> also, there is a namespace team:*
[12:35] <bluesabre> flocculant: are you using your ubuntu email?
[12:35] <bluesabre> ubuntu for me never sent, gmail was instant
[12:35] <knome> in which team members can do everything, but others can't do anything
[12:35] <knome> bluesabre, he doesn't
[12:36] <knome> ;)
[12:36] <bluesabre> k
[12:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: I don't have one of those - only ubuntu members do ;)
[12:37] <bluesabre> flocculant: gotcha
[12:38] <knome> ok, another thing
[12:38] <knome> the reason why we are seeing those nice titles is because i've set "use first heading as title" on
[12:38] <knome> basically, it does what it says it does
[12:38] <knome> but i'm also hiding all <h5> elements
[12:38] <knome> so you can do == Any title ==
[12:38] <knome> and it doesn't show up in the page
[12:39] <knome> but it's used as the title if it's the first heading
[18:12] <flocculant> knome: new qa page for x.org drafted at https://xubuntu.org/?p=3670&preview=true
[18:32] <knome> flocculant, will look today, ta
[18:38] <flocculant> knome: yep - no mad rush - and I'm not too concerned what changes you make as long as you don't add urls, once you're ok just change it :)
[18:38] <knome> ok, will do
[19:24] <knome> flocculant, reviewed, changed some formatting (mostly adding <strong> and removed some low-level headings) and pushed to production
[19:25] <knome> looks good now, great work!
[19:47] <flocculant> knome: cheers 
[19:48] <flocculant> I'll mail the list and let those interested in qa know about the docs page soon :)
[20:05] <akxwi-dave> ooohh more emails to read.. :-)
[20:11] <knome> flocculant, i haven't copied the qa stuff from the old ubuntu wiki over to the xubuntu wiki yet, but i will be doing that soon
[20:12] <knome> flocculant, fwiw, there are few syntax differences between moinmoin and dokuwiki, but they are minor once converted
[20:13] <knome> flocculant, i've tried to remove stuff we don't need from http://wiki.xubuntu.org/wiki/syntax thus making it easier to read
[20:17] <flocculant> ack
[20:17] <flocculant> hey akxwi-dave didn't know you were about - http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-team.html is live now, the x.org/cont/qa stuff is basic with a pointer to the new stuff
[20:19] <flocculant> knome: re the new wiki - I assume we're not using that for 'everything' eg roadmap specs ? and the like
[20:20] <flocculant> talking of the like - what are we actually going to do about 'team can do posts about what they use instead of gmb' ?
[20:20] <knome> flocculant, for the first question, the goal is to use the new wiki for everything, but i'm not sure if we will move all the archive over yet
[20:20] <flocculant> mmm
[20:20] <knome> flocculant, for the latter, i'll need to set that up, and as long as i have time, we'll do that
[20:21] <flocculant> not completely sold on that then 
[20:21] <knome> oh?
[20:21] <akxwi-dave> hi flocculant , that looks really nice
[20:21] <flocculant> knome: yea - things that are effectively ephemeral like roadmap - I'd say current loc is best 
[20:22] <knome> well practically we don't HAVE a roadmap for xenial in the wiki
[20:22] <knome> it's just the tracker now
[20:22] <flocculant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer for instance 
[20:23] <flocculant> 'our' wiki is the wrong place imo - let canonical hold dead stuff :)
[20:23] <knome> well as i said, i don't know about moving the archive
[20:23] <flocculant> inxi - that's be better on our wiki than the x.org
[20:23] <knome> what's the difference between our wiki and x.org? ;)
[20:23] <flocculant> knome: yea ... but y,z , 1,2,3 cycle ... 
[20:24]  * knome shrugs
[20:24] <knome> the new wiki is FASTER
[20:24] <flocculant> knome: oh my ... 
[20:24] <knome> and we have total control over it
[20:24] <flocculant> right 
[20:24] <knome> literally
[20:24] <knome> no canonical involced
[20:24] <knome> *involved
[20:24] <knome> so...
[20:24] <knome> yeah
[20:24] <flocculant> just let me run for a moment ;)
[20:24] <knome> there are many benefits for using it, even for temporary/short-lived stuff
[20:25] <flocculant> I don't see that 
[20:25] <knome> see what? :D
[20:25] <flocculant> what is the benefit in having something like a spec lying dead on our wiki for years? 
[20:25] <knome> you can ask pleia2 about why archiving is important
[20:25] <flocculant> I see a benefit in having things like the x.org inxi on our wiki
[20:26] <flocculant> oh nvm - whatever
[20:26] <knome> i mean, i don't mind archiving myself
[20:26] <knome> sometimes i think it's more useful to just delete
[20:26] <knome> but specs that actually happened are useful IMO at least
[20:26] <flocculant> really - not interested that much - just think that we should keep our wiki for useful things
[20:26] <knome> specs that were just babble... not so much
[20:27] <flocculant> being able to see what happened 10 years ago - really who cares ? 
[20:27] <knome> it serves as a refresher as to why things were done how they were
[20:27] <knome> that might be useful when we are figuring out something else later
[20:27] <flocculant> yea - see half a dozen lines up 
[20:28] <knome> sure, some specs are more useful than others...
[20:28] <knome> but seriously, pleia2 is the archiving zealot here;)
[20:37] <flocculant> yea I understand
[20:38] <knome> our irc channel is logged, our mailing list is logged
[20:38] <knome> why the specifications wouldn't?
[20:38] <flocculant> I just think that just because we CAN do something with OUR wiki doesn't mean we should - there is a perfectly useful archiving medium available - the current wiki 
[20:38] <flocculant> oh I give up 
[20:38] <flocculant> don't care enough to worry - hardly likely to be something I bother with anyway
[20:38] <knome> what's the difference if we create the new spec in the new or old wiki?
[20:39] <knome> it's more work to remove it than to leave it
[20:39] <knome> and there's no damage being done if it's available even if nobody uses it
[20:39] <flocculant> why fill our one up wioth dead stuff? what do we gain by changing it? 
[20:39] <knome> i said i don't know about existing stuff
[20:40] <knome> but new stuff is different
[20:40] <flocculant> no it isn't
[20:40] <knome> if we write new specs, then it makes sense to have them in the same place as all other information
[20:40] <knome> or do you rather use 6 tools than one?
[20:40] <flocculant> *shrug* you and pleia2 decide what we should do 
[20:41] <knome> my shoulder hurts from shrugging so i won't shrug
[20:41] <flocculant> make sure the xpl listens to all sides of the argument before he decides though please
[20:42] <knome> ochosi, ping ^, if you want to bother reading the backlog
[20:42] <flocculant> I'll be back tomorrow anyway
[20:42] <knome> have a nice evening :)
[20:58] <pleia2> I like history, it's nice to be able to point new people to why and when we made a decision long ago
[20:58] <pleia2> and I don't see what it hurts to keep things around
[21:00] <pleia2> also nice to point to people that we've had a discussion before (like the DefaultMediaPlayer), good historical information'
[21:01] <pleia2> maybe not current, but when someone comes along and says "you should totally use $x" we can look back at why we didn't before, and if it has the features we need now
[21:05] <ochosi> evening all
[21:06] <ochosi> humm, so much backlog
[21:06] <ochosi> well anyway, starting to read..
[21:10] <ochosi> alright, so whenever one of you guys is around, feel free to ping me
[21:10] <ochosi> personally i think it's a good thing to port over the things we consider valuable from the old wiki, but yeah, i wouldn't bother removing it from there
[21:11] <ochosi> apart from having a big link on the frontpage of the old wiki maybe, saying that this is just "a fridge" or something and that the cool kids are someplace else now
[21:14] <ochosi> humm, gotta admit that it sucks a bit that our shimmer-themes package which was once a source for various artwork will likely be cut down to just greybird in 16.04...
[21:14] <ochosi> but yeah, gtk theme maintenance wears people out
[21:16] <flocculant> pleia2: I've no problem with keeping things about - but given that things like specs are ephemeral or even completely ignored during a cycle - why fill up a clean pristine wiki that we can use to give people real and useful information with it - why not just carry on putting that stuff on canonical's servers
[21:17] <flocculant> that's the main issue imo - other than that - it's wiki, I have no real interest, I hate writing that stuff in various arcane syntax's :)
[21:17] <pleia2> flocculant: I don't really care where it's kept, as long as we don't delete it forever
[21:18] <flocculant> pleia2: welcome to the impending ice age where no-one cares about that stuff :p
[21:18] <pleia2> flocculant: but it is worth noting, I don't share your opinion about the problem with filling up a clean pristine wiki, what exactly are we "filling up"? We have plenty of space, etc etc
[21:18] <flocculant> personally if we've got a server we can use - an irc bouncer that team can use would be more useful imo :)
[21:19] <pleia2> it really is helpful for new contributors to have access to history, I know I like it when I join a project, helps me feel like I can figure out things myself without asking why we do everything all the time
[21:19] <pleia2> I don't really see how irc bouncers and wikis impact each other
[21:20] <flocculant> pleia2: well  - personally I wouldn't be that worried about something that happened 20 years ago being in one place, if it's on the net somewhere it's on the net
[21:20] <pleia2> we're not talking 20 years :) so far maybe 5
[21:20] <flocculant> and unless there's going to be some sort of usable index on 'our' wiki - in time it will be as much a pita as the ubuntu ones 
[21:20] <pleia2> that wiki link you shared earlier was only a few months old
[21:21] <flocculant> pleia2: yea ofc - because it was just an example, forget the date of it - why would anyone want to know in 10 years that in 6 months of 1 year people thought about doing something - then didn't ? 
[21:21] <flocculant> history is great - but pointless history is pointless :) 
[21:22] <ochosi> pleia2: +1
[21:22] <pleia2> flocculant: when we hit 10 years, we can talk about this again :)
[21:22] <flocculant> yea 
[21:22] <flocculant> of course
[21:22] <ochosi> i think this is pretty much a non-issue
[21:23] <flocculant> ochosi: to a certain extent it is yes
[21:23] <ochosi> first of all it's awesome that we have our own wiki and that it is under our control (finally). so go us! (or knome and pleia2)
[21:23] <flocculant> but can anyone anywhere at anytime write a spec for Xubuntu - or do they have to come and ask if they can? 
[21:24] <ochosi> wait, that seems like a different subject
[21:24] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - totally agree, love that we have our space
[21:24] <ochosi> and yes, ofc everyone can write specs, if they want to share those with us they *should* come here and talk about it
[21:24] <flocculant> not really - just an extrapolation of where we are 
[21:24] <ochosi> that was always the same
[21:25] <flocculant> ochosi: no - anyone can edit an ubuntu wiki page if they have sso or whatver
[21:25] <ochosi> yeah, if they have sso, fine
[21:25] <flocculant> doesn't mean we take any notice of it 
[21:25] <ochosi> still, if they don't talk to us and just add a page/spec to the wiki that's not very useful
[21:25] <flocculant> ok
[21:26] <flocculant> whatever, nvm 
[21:26] <ochosi> so personally i don't think that dramatically increases the threshold of contributing (if that's what you're aiming at)
[21:26] <flocculant> someone coming here cap in hand saying can I do this isn't a dramtic increase? 
[21:26] <flocculant> I think you'll find that it is ;)
[21:26] <flocculant> but whatever 
[21:27] <flocculant> really back tomorrow :)
[21:27] <knome> anybody can still come and write a spec in the xubuntu wiki
[21:27] <ochosi> ok, ttyl
[21:27] <knome> only some pages are blocked from non-team "contributions"
[21:27] <knome> and of course i want to make sure we have a useful index for the wiki
[21:28] <knome> http://wiki.xubuntu.org/?do=index is already quite good, even if no "extra work" was done to make it happen
[21:28] <knome> ochosi, i see you don't have an account yet
[21:29] <ochosi> yeah, just came in a few mins ago ;)
[21:29] <ochosi> but that was on my agenda for tonight
[21:29] <knome> ochosi, maybe you should create one so i could appoint you to the @team team
[21:29] <knome> or you can tell which email you like and i can do that for you
[21:29] <ochosi> done
[21:30] <ochosi> nono, you're already doing a lot with this web setup
[21:30] <ochosi> really kudos on that!
[21:30] <knome> ok, you're now in the @team team
[21:30]  * knome bows
[21:30] <knome> and np
[21:30] <knome> i want this myself too...
[21:30] <knome> so a short recap:
[21:30] <ochosi> cool cool
[21:30] <knome> there is a team: namespace
[21:30] <knome> that is only readable by the team
[21:31] <knome> i don't know what we're using it for (yet), but i'm sure there is need at some point, so i've went ahead and set it up already
[21:31] <knome> the start page and the contact page are also protected from non-team member edits
[21:32] <knome> also, i don't mind maintainin the wiki and making sure the launch is smooth, but at some point, we might want somebody else to be an admin as well - if i'm away for whatever reason etc.
[21:33] <ochosi> sure, that all makes perfect sense
[21:33] <knome> my knee jerk reaction is bluesabre, because he's administrating other dokuwiki wikis and knows a bit or two about the admin
[21:33] <ochosi> yeah
[21:33] <knome> but it's a simple web UI trigger, so we don't need to do that now
[21:33] <ochosi> if he's fine with it, i'm fine with it
[21:34] <knome> or in other words it doesn't require careful planning
[21:34] <knome> just do it when we've decided
[21:34] <ochosi> fwiw, that thunar/gvfs rename bug/crash doesn't seem to be there in xenial (just tested)
[21:34] <knome> ok, nice
[21:34] <knome> what about the mousepad one?
[21:34] <ochosi> hmm, which one was that?
[21:34] <knome> it crashes randomly
[21:35] <knome> i think it's usually related to moving tabs from another window to other
[21:35] <ochosi> aha
[21:35] <ochosi> hadn't noticed
[21:35] <knome> but i'm not completely sure because i haven't logged it too much
[21:35] <ochosi> doesn't sound like something i can reproduce quickly and reliably
[21:35] <ochosi> i'll focus on other stuff for starters
[21:35] <knome> one thing it also could have to do with is that i often have many files over sshfs open
[21:36] <ochosi> well, i noticed that having around 10+ mousepad instances open makes it crash
[21:36] <ochosi> (in wily)
[21:36] <knome> yeah...
[21:36] <knome> today i had a weird crash
[21:36] <knome> apparently mousepad started writing to HDD a lot
[21:36] <knome> because it made a lot of noise
[21:36] <knome> then it crashed
[21:36] <ochosi> but yeah, for the moment i'd prefer to focus on greybird bugs
[21:37] <knome> but not like disappeared, i had the usual xfce dialog saying it's not responding
[21:37] <ochosi> cause mousepad can be fixed by somebody else, but i presume greybird will remain my responsibility
[21:37] <knome> usually the windows just disappear
[21:37] <knome> ala thunar
[21:37] <knome> yeah, probably so
[21:37] <knome> i'll try to get some more useful information out of the bug before i whine about it the next time
[21:37] <knome> now,
[21:37] <knome> bbiab/bbl
[21:50] <flocculant> knome: I rarely have more than a couple of 'pad's or 'pad and tabs at one time - I'll see if I can reproduce with more 
[21:52] <ochosi> flocculant: since you're one of the folks using xenial the most, please let me know when you see visual oddities
[21:52] <ochosi> i gotta fix up greybird for it
[21:52] <flocculant> knome pleia2 - and just for the record, and history, I do appreciate the new stuff we have going :)
[21:52] <ochosi> just started with a first commit fixing the sidebars in the open file dialog (e.g. in evince)
[21:54] <flocculant> ochosi: yep - I know, only oddity I know of right now is an issue with icon/icon+text/text in something 
[21:54] <ochosi> a-ha?
[21:54] <flocculant> and if people use ubuntu fonts it all goes wrong
[21:54] <ochosi> got an example?
[21:54] <ochosi> oh
[21:54] <ochosi> not sure that is greybird's fault
[21:54] <ochosi> but yeah, still let me know
[21:54] <flocculant> hang on - bug reported on tracker 
[21:55] <flocculant> font thing is a font thing - not us
[21:55] <flocculant> bug 1510540
[21:56] <flocculant> the mousepad search higlight one is really a pain for someone not young like you lot :D
[21:57] <flocculant> ochosi: generally I'm not seeing anything stand out eww theme wise, but I'm also trying to get fonts etc to look nice with a new monitor - not easy seemingly
[21:57] <ochosi> ok, i'll take a look at that one
[21:58] <ochosi> mousepad search highlight is knome's department (or actually last i remember it was mousepad not really applying all highlight classes or something)
[21:58] <flocculant> ochosi: let me just double check that after a bunch of updates 
[21:58] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - but arty so I told you :)
[21:58] <ochosi> example of a visual glitch:
[21:59] <ochosi> catfish's location selector combobox has a double border
[21:59] <ochosi> and i have no clue as to why
[21:59] <flocculant> rounded in square ?
[22:00] <knome> mousepad doesn't "get" all syntax
[22:00] <knome> and i still have the highlight issue on my TODO
[22:01] <flocculant> knome: yep - pretty important imo, people with older hardware more likely to be older with old eyes :)
[22:01] <knome> not disagreeing with that
[22:03] <flocculant> :)
[22:03] <flocculant> ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/f50lRX6.png and http://i.imgur.com/0pYMVOS.png
[22:04] <flocculant> ochosi: and re numix, if no-one can maintain that, then imo we should drop it for lts 
[22:05] <knome> text under icons looks okay to me
[22:05] <flocculant> just so people know I do actually check the backlog in here :D
[22:05] <knome> the dialog padding doesn't :X
[22:05] <ochosi> yeah, that dialog is terrible
[22:06] <flocculant> text under is fine - text next is completely transparent ... 
[22:06] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah, i'd give satya some time, but ultimately we might have to drop it
[22:06] <ochosi> re: text next, doesn't it work in all apps?
[22:06] <ochosi> maybe some just don't implement toolbars correctly/fully
[22:06] <flocculant> knome: don't forget I'm fighting fonts and stuff with this new monitor for some reason :(
[22:06] <knome> oh right, text next
[22:06] <knome> :D
[22:06] <knome> flocculant, i didn't forget, i didn't know you were
[22:07] <flocculant> knome: only because you didn't read the backlog :p
[22:08] <knome> yes....
[22:08] <flocculant> ochosi: not sure - it took a while to find some 'app' that affected anyway - globaltime prefs was the first one I found :D
[22:09] <flocculant> ochosi: and the double border I'm sure I saw mentioned in -desktop so just assumed that would get done 
[22:11] <flocculant> knome: flocculant> ochosi: generally I'm not seeing anything stand out eww theme wise, but I'm also trying to get fonts etc to look nice with a new monitor - not easy seemingly
[22:11] <flocculant> that :)
[22:11] <ochosi> flocculant: debugged toolbar issue and commented
[22:11] <ochosi> guess that is not a bug, so nothing to worry about for us there
[22:12] <flocculant> ochosi: cool :)
[22:12] <flocculant> marked it as such then 
[22:12] <ochosi> yup, also i guess nobody cared enough before you came along ;)
[22:12] <ochosi> i for one never tried that setting
[22:13] <flocculant> well it was actually akxwi found it :)
[22:13] <flocculant> not me - totally missed it twice 
[22:13] <ochosi> ok, so i pushed some fixes to greybird for xenial, so if you test please use the shimmer daily PPA or ask bluesabre to update the pkg ;)
[22:13] <ochosi> i don't see any other obvious glitches in our default apps for now
[22:13] <ochosi> but i'll keep looking
[22:14] <flocculant> knome pleia2 - can you perhaps bump the irc package session media things a bit for us
[22:14] <flocculant> ochosi: I've been running with the 3 main ppa's since November or so 
[22:14] <flocculant> but not the best person to notice either ;)
[22:15] <ochosi> wow, not cool: http://i.imgur.com/z7y2die.png
[22:15] <ochosi> (look at the username with focus)
[22:15] <ochosi> flocculant: that's ok
[22:15] <flocculant> seems that those sessions get better responses from the social stuff 
[22:16] <flocculant> ochosi: might just be vbox issue, hardware doesn't look like that
[22:16] <flocculant> nope I lied - should have looked first, didn't see that - never change user 
[22:17] <knome> flocculant, just redo essentially the same, or is there something new?
[22:17] <flocculant> same on hardware
[22:17] <knome> flocculant, re: irc session...
[22:17] <flocculant> that's confused me :)
[22:18] <knome> flocculant, you asekd social media bump for irc session; do you want to repeat the same message or do you have something else to say?
[22:18] <ochosi> flocculant: no worries, fixed it already
[22:19] <ochosi> wow, indicator-sound looks really boring without any apps there
[22:19] <knome> flocculant, the earlier message being https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/679446515472052224
[22:19] <flocculant> knome: oh sorry, nothing new - still not got a date set
[22:19] <knome> oki
[22:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: we should add parole to indicator-sound by default, since that's our only *media* player now (currently it's empty, used to be gmusicbrowser)
[22:20] <flocculant> currently we have 'some team' and 4 people with 2 time sets
[22:20] <flocculant> knome: ^^
[22:20] <flocculant> ochosi: so should we move to the xfce one instead ? 
[22:21] <flocculant> ochosi: on the other hand - once people add a media tool, it populates 
[22:21] <ochosi> i think the xfce plugin isn't really ready yet
[22:21] <flocculant> mine has clementine, banshee,r'box, exaile and gmb in it 
[22:21] <ochosi> although it works ok, but it's not yet a full replacement
[22:22] <ochosi> as long as indicator-sound works and doesn't break, i'd keep it for nw
[22:22] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - not had too many issues here when I used it
[22:22] <flocculant> ochosi: probably for the best for 16.04 I guess :)
[22:23] <knome> flocculant, https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/685587460454232064
[22:23] <flocculant> \o/
[22:23] <flocculant> that's just about perfect :)
[22:23] <knome> good
[22:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: i guess it's all about enabling parole's MPRIS2 plugin by default (i'd +1 that). for now i'll just drop gmb from the interested players...
[22:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/587
[22:30] <flocculant> ochosi: fixed the odd login username focus thing? 
[22:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, and another x-d-s commit enabling the MPRIS2 plugin (i hope this works on all archs, the property seems fairly specific...)
[22:30] <ochosi> flocculant: sure sure
[22:31] <ochosi> long time ago already
[22:31] <ochosi> approx 1 min after i discovered it ;)
[22:31] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[22:31] <ochosi> alright, i think i fixed enough bugs for tonight
[22:31] <ochosi> strolling off to the couch to watch some tv
[22:31] <ochosi> if you discover other issues lemme know
[22:31] <knome> lol
[22:31] <knome> night
[22:31] <flocculant> ochosi: what fixed in? I'll look for the thing dropping here? 
[22:32] <flocculant> yep - night night ochosi :)
[22:32] <ochosi> i just pushed some fixes to greybird, so you'll see it on the next daily build ;)
[22:32]  * flocculant will just watch for random arty package updates :p
[22:33] <ochosi> i'll prolly return in an hour or so to see whether bluesabre is around
[22:33] <ochosi> and answers at least half of my random pings
[22:33] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - guessed, will ping if I see something odd now I know it's there as an issue  :)
[22:34] <ochosi> ok cool
[22:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: meh, for some reason those buttons in xfpanel-switch's toolbar are not linked, hence they look awful :/
[22:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: plus the app name in alt-tab says "xfpanel switch py"
[22:36] <ochosi> booh
[22:37] <flocculant> ochosi: so didn't think about it ^^, but if text next to icon is not completely supported - the test asks people to look, so should we ditch that bit of the test? 
[22:37] <flocculant> just to forestall pointless bug reports 
[22:37] <ochosi> yes
[22:37] <ochosi> we should
[22:38] <ochosi> doesn't make sense to test that
[22:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: they should be linked
[22:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: the other issue, I can confirm
[22:40] <bluesabre> still catching up on backlog
[22:40] <flocculant> bluesabre: hf :p
[22:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: crap, just noticed this is another greybird 3.18 issue
[22:40] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - report that now so I catch it later 
[22:42] <ochosi> bluesabre: same problem in menulibre
[22:42] <bluesabre> with the unlinked or alt-tab?
[22:43] <ochosi> unlinked
[22:43] <ochosi> alt-tab is definitely a code issue
[22:43] <ochosi> app name isn't set in the appp
[22:43] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:43] <ochosi> menulibre does it right
[22:44] <bluesabre> catfish should too, its a dumb property that really should be set automatically, but catfish and menulibre have the code for that
[22:44] <ochosi> yup
[22:44] <ochosi> should be a one-liner
[22:44] <bluesabre> mpris I'd +1
[22:45] <flocculant> can I do that as well :)
[22:45] <flocculant> mpris I'd +1
[22:45] <ochosi> sure sure :)
[22:45] <bluesabre> go for it
[22:45] <bluesabre> :D
[22:45] <flocculant> :)
[22:45] <ochosi> i already pushed it, but thanks for the support ;)
[22:45] <bluesabre> oh goodie
[22:45] <ochosi> so yeah, greybird needs a pkg update and x-d-s does too
[22:46] <ochosi> although i still need to fix those darn toolbar buttons
[22:46] <bluesabre> I'm going to work on a number of small tasks tonight and this weekend, trying to fix bugs here and there
[22:46] <ochosi> nice
[22:46] <bluesabre> so, xfpm, greybird, x-d-s package updates
[22:46] <bluesabre> what else?
[22:46] <ochosi> i had a quiet hour too tonight to get stuff done
[22:46] <ochosi> well, the icon updates are not very crucial i suppose
[22:47] <ochosi> but they should be uploaded at some point with a x-artwork package
[22:47] <flocculant> ochosi: I saw you had but I thought I would support you anyway :)
[22:47] <bluesabre> expecting to do any more of those soon?  might be good to get us up to speed this cycle
[22:47] <bluesabre> all sorts of package updates this weekend in that regard
[22:47] <ochosi> flocculant: yup, thanks :)
[22:47] <flocculant> :)
[22:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, not sure what else we need
[22:48] <flocculant> ochosi bluesabre - so while we are all here, nix a2 and wait for b1 ? 
[22:48] <Unit193> Uhh, really bluesabre?
[22:48] <bluesabre> hey Unit193 
[22:48] <bluesabre> huh?
[22:49] <Unit193> <property name="plugins" type="string" value="/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/parole-0/parole-mpris2.so"/>  ?
[22:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: there are a few more icons to fix yeah, and i wanted to push the distroo specific stuff to a separate branch, not sure when i get to that
[22:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: may as well
[22:49] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, that's what i meant before
[22:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: ah, yes, that won't work
[22:49] <Unit193> Oooh, Simon is drunk.
[22:49] <ochosi> not really
[22:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack then - unless something changes in the near future - all it takes is a mail in time to -release list 
[22:50] <bluesabre> flocculant: we've had some good testing so far (right?) and plenty of bug reports, so I think skipping a2 should be good and we can work hard for b1
[22:50] <Unit193> (Kidding, kidding.)  Usually it looks like the format used is 'parole-mpris2', and the one used of course won't work on anything apart from Amd64.
[22:51] <bluesabre> a2 is jan 28, b1 is feb 25
[22:51] <flocculant> bluesabre: I *think* so - all I can see is what I have done and tracker reports, and I do try and check bugs out too
[22:51] <flocculant> but pretty much, 
[22:51] <flocculant> as wily is xenial 
[22:52] <bluesabre> with plenty of gtk bugs
[22:52] <flocculant> mmm
[22:53] <bluesabre> er, xenial is wily with plenty of gtk bugs
[22:53] <flocculant> I think we should use qt 
[22:53] <flocculant> can we have clementine now? 
[22:53] <flocculant> :D
[22:53] <bluesabre> i think you're thinking of qubuntu
[22:53] <flocculant> bluesabre ha ha ha 
[22:54] <bluesabre> I'd say lubuntu... but lxqt is still not on the map
[22:54] <bluesabre> :)
[22:54] <flocculant> no don't say that 
[22:55] <bluesabre> ;)
[23:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh man, that fix for the linked buttons won't be much fun
[23:16] <ochosi> ok, pushed the parole mpris plugin fix fix
[23:48] <ochosi> meh, so the linked buttons in inline-toolbars are broken in light-themes as well (as always, only adwaita works)
[23:49] <flocculant> so 
[23:49] <flocculant> we should just remove numix and adwaita and then go for a dose of hope :)
[23:50] <flocculant> or love
[23:51] <ochosi> yeah i guess
[23:51] <flocculant> ochosi: see the trouble is I'll not see anything arty until you say 'what about that?' then it's just a house of cards :)
[23:51] <ochosi> well actually this means i will have to rebase greybird on adwaita for >16.04
[23:51] <flocculant> :( 
[23:52] <ochosi> lots and lotsa work considering xfce won't be gtk3 by then
[23:52] <flocculant> rebasing is just pita I assume, cos a bunch of versions
[23:52] <flocculant> yea - what I assumed 
[23:52] <ochosi> well, it basically means i'll have to start from scratch
[23:53] <ochosi> cause it's not just rebasing, but CSS -> SASS
[23:53] <flocculant> oh that's really crud 
[23:53] <ochosi> anyhow, enough rambling
[23:53] <ochosi> night y'all, i need some sleep
[23:53] <flocculant> for april? 
[23:53] <ochosi> that one i don't get
[23:54] <flocculant> for 16.04 then? 
[23:54] <flocculant> oh nvm >16.04 :)
[23:54] <flocculant> sleep well ochosi :)
[23:55] <ochosi> thanks, night!
[23:55] <flocculant> :)