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AzelphurRoadRunner: ah I see, sounds like iptables may be your best option then, dansguardian looks more like a filter for a child accessing the internet than a blocklist00:00
AzelphurRoadRunner: question, is this for a torrent client? if so most torrent clients have blocklist support builtin00:00
RoadRunnernot only for torrents; under Win I would have it running even for browsing00:01
AzelphurI see00:02
Azelphurthere must be some really easy tool that just imports the list into iptables00:02
Azelphurit'd be super easy00:02
RoadRunnerPG does rely on lists it gets elsewhere and the process is automated which is why its popular00:03
Azelphuryea and you could do that with a small shell script, it'd be like 2 lines.00:03
AzelphurIf push comes to shove iptables may be your best bet, I know of no software that actually doe sit00:03
RoadRunnermaybe someone can suggest a good package source/method for PG other than Ubuntu's software center?00:04
AzelphurRoadRunner: https://github.com/trick77/ipset-blacklist looks like exactly what I said amusingly, a little bash script to handle it00:07
Azelphurcould get you where you need to go, it is documented but no GUI00:07
RoadRunnerI am amazed that such a popular app didn't get an easily accesible package set up00:08
RoadRunnerPG I mean...00:08
AzelphurRoadRunner: it's down to the app author to package it00:09
AzelphurBut yea, I am a little surprised there isn't either pg or something pg-like in the repositories.00:09
RoadRunnerI am just not "advanced" enough to start configuring and compiling stuff... unfortunately00:10
AzelphurRoadRunner: that doesn't require compiling.00:10
Azelphurit's a shell script00:10
RoadRunnerno I meant PG on SourceForge00:11
AzelphurRoadRunner: why not give it a go?00:13
AzelphurRoadRunner: I can help :)00:13
RoadRunnerAzelphur: thank you :)00:14
RoadRunneryou mean with iptables, right?00:14
AzelphurRoadRunner: nope, I can help you get PG running00:14
Azelphuror iptables really, either or honestly00:14
RoadRunnerAzelphur: how do you see it happening? other than following instructions on the forge and putting together a package yourself start to finish and making it available for me and others?00:16
AzelphurRoadRunner: no, I'd just help you get it running on your machine, compiling really isn't hard.00:16
Azelphuryou'll be surprised how easy it is, honestly00:16
RoadRunnerAzelphur: take a look at their instructions here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/peerguardian/files/PeerGuardian%20Linux/2.3.1/ I got lost in all the dependencies and settings00:19
AzelphurRoadRunner: ok, so step 1 you're good with, skip step 2 and tell me when you get an error on step 3 :)00:20
RoadRunner:) its 3 that ruin my day :)00:21
RoadRunner*that will00:21
Azelphurwhy? it has command line examples00:21
Azelphurit's literally copy paste00:21
Azelphur(FYI, you're on a debian system)00:22
RoadRunnerI've no idea which "configure-switches" to use00:23
AzelphurRoadRunner: the one that says "Full example configure line for a complete build and full system integration (on a Debian System)...00:24
Azelphurbut you appear to have skipped a step, you will actually need to read the instructions00:24
Azelphurhave you done step 3.0?00:24
RoadRunnerAzelphur: do you really thing it could all be done in a few minutes here, with you holding my hand (I am not sure if I have the time for this now...)00:27
AzelphurRoadRunner: probably less than 30m00:27
RoadRunnerand you are willing to be here for this long?00:27
AzelphurI should be, yea00:28
Azelphurhonestly once you get over the initial hurdles you'll probably be fine anyway00:28
Azelphurtl;dr stop panicing you'll be fine :P00:28
RoadRunnerok, I got to cook something for my gf; this will take about 1.5hr and then I could begin (if you'll still be here:) )00:32
AzelphurRoadRunner: If I'm not here I bet you somebody else here would, most people in here will have no problem helping you if you get stuck on an install step.00:32
RoadRunnerok, thank you again; btw, I do realize Xubuntu is a Debian derivative but is it so close that their "Debian" instructions can be followed without any modifications?00:33
AzelphurRoadRunner: should be fine, yes.00:34
AzelphurRoadRunner: technically speaking Xubuntu was Debian at one point, before Canonical did all the modifications to it :)00:34
RoadRunnerAzelphur: please look down their instructions to where it says "Deb packages"; there they seem to say some ready made packages are available and they differentiate btw Deb and Ubuntu00:37
RoadRunneralso, https://launchpad.net/~jre-phoenix/+archive/ppa package seems to be "not quite" PG so I don't know it is usefull, what do you think?00:38
AzelphurRoadRunner: omg, there are debian packages00:38
Azelphurlol you plonker :P00:38
Azelphursudo add-apt-repository ppa:jre-phoenix/ppa00:38
Azelphursudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pgl00:39
Azelphur^ done00:39
RoadRunnerperhaps, BUT if you follow this link; https://launchpad.net/~jre-phoenix/+archive/ppa it seems to be a package for MoBlock not PeerGuardian... (as I understand, moblock was a predescesor for PG)00:41
AzelphurRoadRunner: it formerly provided moblock, now it provides PeerGuardian, it says that in the description00:43
RoadRunnerAzelphur: is there a way to easily browse Debian repositories as I do Ubuntu's in their software center?00:46
AzelphurRoadRunner: Debians software repositories are only intended to work on Debian, so no00:47
bazhangRoadRunner, you mean like packages.debian.org ?00:48
RoadRunnerI guess00:48
bazhangRoadRunner, sure, but thats more of a #debian question if you please00:49
RoadRunnerI know that, lubuntu, for example, had a way of checking Deb's repositories00:50
RoadRunneras well as lubuntu's...00:50
knomeRoadRunner, you can do that, but it's not suggested or supported00:50
knomeRoadRunner, or in other words, if you do that, you are on your own00:51
RoadRunnerok; a concern... this package seems to be put together by an individual (who knows with what motives...); don't know how much I'll be compromising my system by getting something from an unknown source00:52
bazhanga ppa?00:53
RoadRunnersorry, what's a ppa?00:56
bazhangRoadRunner, please be very clear about exactly what package and from where00:57
AzelphurRoadRunner: I find your statement amusing considering you come from Windows :P00:57
RoadRunnerbazhang:  https://launchpad.net/~jre-phoenix/+archive/ppa00:57
RoadRunnerAzelphur: I was very carefull under Win :)00:58
bazhangRoadRunner, ppa is that. once you introduce that to your system you have to track it update etc wil the package maintainer help and support00:59
RoadRunnerAzelphur: after all, "jre-phoenix" is an individual not a group even, and we don't know who verified the contents of the package for safety01:00
AzelphurRoadRunner: they are recommended by the official PGL docs, so the question is whether you trust PGL or not.01:00
RoadRunnerAzelphur: true. I must've spaced on that point...01:02
AzelphurRoadRunner: that's why I found it amusing since you come from a Windows point, the only other alternative is inspecting the source code and building yourself - which you can't do on Windows :P01:02
RoadRunnerAzelphur: but back to another question I asked earlier: if Xubuntu is so close to Deb, why do PGl docs differentiat btw Deb and Ubuntu packages and give diff links there?01:03
Azelphurclose, not the same.01:04
Azelphurthere are differences01:04
RoadRunnerok, so in the final analyses, I just type in two lines you typed above into terminal and that's it?01:05
Azelphuryup01:06
AzelphurRoadRunner: also, you should know what those lines do rather than trusting some stranger on the internet :P01:07
Azelphurtrusting a stranger on the internet is far more dangerous than a PPA, fyi01:07
knometo give another POV for the issue; PPA creator is a stranger too, but so is the one who wrote the code - so unless you read it all and understand what it does, you can't completely trust it anyway, right?01:08
RoadRunnerAzelphur: You seem like a nice stranger :) and yes I do have some idea of what that syntax is doing01:09
Azelphurknome: indeed01:09
RoadRunnerknome: yes01:09
AzelphurRoadRunner: indeed I am, but it's worth noting01:09
RoadRunnerthank you for all the help and patience, and now I got to rush off and cook fast!01:10
AzelphurHell hath no fury like a girlfriend with no dinner.01:11
RoadRunnerAzelphur: yes...01:13
xubuntuConvertLoving Xubuntu, but just one problem I can't Google away.  When the system wakes up from sleep, I get the blue screen with the login box.  I type my password, press enter.  Then I get my desktop with any windows that were there pre-sleep are black, except for the borders.  The panel is mostly there, but some icons are missing.  The cursor is and stays in the presleep state (whatever it was), but moves freely.  CapsLock light do01:41
Network2501xubuntuConvert: i had to clear the save desktop option01:42
Network2501saw that a few times01:42
xubuntuConvert...there is very little disk activity.  Eventually, it all "pops" back and it's ok.  The length of time it takes for this seems proportional to the length of sleep the system had.01:42
xubuntuConvertthere is no swap activity either01:43
xubuntuConvertok, let me go have a look at the save desktop option.. :)01:43
Network2501sorry, i disabled the save desktop option it was on by default for my installation01:44
xubuntuConvertI can't put my finger on that.  Do you mean "lock screen before sleep"?01:49
Network2501nah there's an option at login to save your session01:53
Network2501like session save01:53
Network2501i disabled that so when i log in i have to open new apps instead of their state being saved and displayed again01:53
Network2501kinda like a logout/login hibernate combo01:53
xubuntuConvertLogout settings > automatically save session on logout ?01:54
xubuntuConvertthis is nuts01:54
Network2501yeah i disabled that01:54
Network2501haven't noticed my xfce icon on the menu dissapearing anymore01:55
xubuntuConvertOK, I'll give it a whirl.   Does that going to sleep is basically logging out and all running programs end?  So if you're in the middle of a movie that is paused, you have to find your spot again?  I guess I can try it out.... ;)   All seems rather ass backwards.   I need the screen to LOCK for security purposes.  But I want the programs to remain as they are...01:56
xubuntuConvert... oh hang on a minute01:57
xubuntuConvertso not sleep at all01:57
xubuntuConvertjust a lockable screensaver01:57
xubuntuConvert /facepalm01:57
bazhangsave session? that one?01:58
xubuntuConvertit's really weird how long it takes to bring the session back after 'sleep' tho.01:59
xubuntuConvert@bazhang, yes, that one01:59
xubuntuConvertI've been treating it as a screensaver when it is in fact a session saver before going to sleep01:59
bazhangsmplayer always goes back exactly where I stopped it01:59
xubuntuConvertthose are not the same01:59
geniigoing to moon, what?02:00
xubuntuConvertI guess I need to try it out and see what happens.  I just want to make sure that when my system has gone to sleep and they steal it, they still need to crack the password.02:00
bazhangwithout specifying exactly which you mean apart from movies, not much I can contribute I'm afraid02:00
xubuntuConvertDon't want to make it sound too interesting, but we were hacked and the data used to write a book that influenced an election02:01
xubuntuConvertwe solved that, so now the only thing I expect is for some idiot to break in and take the gear away to work on02:02
xubuntuConvertI want them to at least have to crack the login password02:02
xubuntuConvertif they reboot they need to get past disk encryption02:02
xubuntuConvertanywho... :)   I'll see what disabling that option does in real life.  Thanks for the pointer.02:03
bazhangok02:04
Network2501also an ssd makes things good02:15
RoadRunnercan't seem to install a package from a ppa04:21
RoadRunnerthe repository was added successfully, the update went ok, but apt-get couldn't find the app...04:23
RoadRunnerwould anyone care to dive in and rescue a newbie in distress?04:33
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: I'll try04:33
SonikkuAmericaAlso, use apt, not apt-get04:33
SonikkuAmericaWhat PPA?04:34
RoadRunnerhere's exactly what I did; fist: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jre-phoenix/ppa and then: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pgl04:35
SonikkuAmericaAha!04:36
SonikkuAmericaI'm sure it complained about not being able to find pgl because... the PPA is ppa:jre-phoenix/pgl-experimental04:36
SonikkuAmericaoh no wait04:37
SonikkuAmericayou're right04:37
SonikkuAmericanvm me04:37
RoadRunneractually, everything seems to have gone fine till the very end where it said: "E: Unable to locate package pgl"04:38
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: Ummm, what version of Xubuntu is this?04:38
RoadRunner14.0404:38
SonikkuAmericaOK...04:39
SonikkuAmericait says there's a package in there.04:39
RoadRunneryou duplicated my steps?04:40
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: Run the command inside the brackets: [ sudo apt update | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ]04:40
SonikkuAmericaand give me the link.04:40
RoadRunnerwhat does that do?04:42
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: what does that do?04:43
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: It runs the command and pastes the output into a raw pastebin04:44
SonikkuAmerica(sorry, I'm in 30 channels)04:44
RoadRunnerWARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface yet. Use with caution in scripts.04:46
RoadRunnercurl: (55) SSL_write() returned SYSCALL, errno = 3204:46
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: Your terminal should not have done *that*... O_o04:46
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: shall I try again and hope for better?04:47
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: As a precaution, try with "apt-get" instead of "apt"04:47
RoadRunnerso: sudo apt-get update | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ?04:48
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica:  https://ptpb.pw/erUQ04:50
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: Does the last line in your terminal read "Reading package lists.... done"?04:51
RoadRunnerjust now no, it didn't; but when I did it originally, yes it did (and repeated it twice)04:53
SonikkuAmericaOK, just checking.04:54
RoadRunneractually it wasn't the very last line, if you like I can paste the whole output into a bin for you04:55
SonikkuAmericaNo, that's fine.04:55
RoadRunnerReading package lists... Done04:56
RoadRunnerReading package lists... Done04:56
RoadRunnerBuilding dependency tree04:56
RoadRunnerReading state information... Done04:56
RoadRunnerE: Unable to locate package pgl04:56
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: these were the last 5 lines of the original output04:56
SonikkuAmericaGot it.04:57
SonikkuAmericaCan it locate pgl now?04:57
RoadRunnerso I guess, now I would just say: sudo apt-get install pgl ?05:00
SonikkuAmericaYeah.05:01
SonikkuAmericaIf it still can't find it, run [ ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ]05:02
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: https://ptpb.pw/P6rO05:05
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: OK, you spelled it right... I can't say I'm sure what the problem is.05:08
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: Now run [ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ]05:08
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: Not ^05:08
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: Now run [ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jre-phoenix-ppa-trusty.list | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ]05:09
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: https://ptpb.pw/nX6905:10
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: I can't see anything wrong with your configuration.05:11
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: thus the answer is?...05:12
SonikkuAmericaHold on.05:12
SonikkuAmericaOK. There's something wrong with the PPA itself. Not on your end. (I tried it myself, and I got the same error.)05:14
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: So my advice is to email the maintainer.05:15
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: thanks for your effort; I feel better (sort of... - still doesn't work :) )05:18
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: where can I see a detailed explanation of the commands you told me to use?05:19
RoadRunnerI mean the syntax05:20
SonikkuAmericaWhich part?05:20
RoadRunnerwell, I am a newbie, so its all Greek to me :)05:20
SonikkuAmericaOh, OK05:20
SonikkuAmericaGimme a moment.05:20
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: https://ptpb.pw/gHV6 should tell you all you need to now. (Comments are denoted by ##)05:25
SonikkuAmericas/now/know/05:25
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: thank you, is there like a table of most used linux commands I could use for quick refference?05:29
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: also, would this work with any paste bin or only with the one you are using?05:42
SonikkuAmericaRoadRunner: That particular command works only with ptpb.ow05:48
SonikkuAmerica* ptpb.pw05:48
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: is that Xubuntu's pastebin?05:49
SonikkuAmericaNo, it's an independent one.05:51
SonikkuAmericaIf you want to paste to the Ubuntu pastebin, try installing pastebinit05:52
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: if it allows direct output, that's a convinient advantage, interesting that its based in Palau (I wonder if their servers are there too)?05:57
SonikkuAmericaDunno05:58
RoadRunnerSonikkuAmerica: in any case, thank you for your help, I got to get a bite to eat now :)05:58
SonikkuAmericaIt says Texas05:59
RoadRunnerno use hiding in Palau if servers are in Texas ;)05:59
SonikkuAmericaXD05:59
SonikkuAmericaI gotta go too. Byr06:00
SonikkuAmerica*Bye06:00
subscioushello. Can you guys help me with moonlight/silverlight?16:01
genii!info pipelight16:03
ubottuPackage pipelight does not exist in wily16:03
geniiHm16:03
geniisubscious: There is a PPA which provides the ability to use Silverlight through WINE, called Pipelight. One minute and I'll find the info16:05
geniihttps://launchpad.net/~mqchael/+archive/ubuntu/pipelight16:06
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vistahey, is there any way of 'sandboxing' dependencies?16:28
vistai need a KDE-based application, but I'd rather not have 700MB of KDE dependencies on my system16:29
Luyinvista: do you need the KDE-based application, or do you need a QT-based application? you might be able to get past the KDE deps, but probably not the QT ones.16:34
vistaIt is KDE-based16:35
bazhangwhat app vista16:35
vistaOkular is the name16:35
bazhangwhat are the dependencies16:35
vista700MB of KDE everything?16:36
bazhang!info okular16:36
ubottuokular (source: okular): universal document viewer. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1 (wily), package size 1312 kB, installed size 4112 kB16:36
bazhangno16:36
bazhangpackages.ubuntu.com has them16:37
bazhanglook for okular and see16:37
vistaNot 700MB, but:16:37
vistahttp://static.notx.ml/u/abd7c0d3eb.png16:37
bazhangwhy okular specifically16:37
vistaBecause it is the only PDF viewer which can do annotations16:37
vistaEvince has very limited capability16:38
bazhang!info pdftk16:38
ubottupdftk (source: pdftk): tool for manipulating PDF documents. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.02-3 (wily), package size 677 kB, installed size 2899 kB16:38
vista... I don't want to merge PDF documents or watermark them?16:39
Luyin172 MB here, vista. are you sure about that lot of KDE apps?16:41
* Luyin is on Arch Linux, though. Might cause differences.16:41
vistait's not the size that bothers me, it's the fact that it pulls in the deps for half of an entirely different DE16:42
vistaIt might be just me, but it bothers me16:43
Luyinvista: I do understand, but afaik, you don't have much of a choice. if you want this app, then you'll have to live with its dependencies.16:45
bazhangpdftk does it all, pretty much16:46
Luyinyou could of course fork it, remove all dependencies you dislike, and build it from source, but I'd pretty much change to another app. ;)16:47
bazhangthe list of what pdftk can do is very long16:47
vistait is not for annotating PDFs16:48
vistaat least that is not it's main feature16:48
Luyinwho cares about its main feature if it has got the feature you're looking for?16:48
bazhangits the very most central feature16:50
vistaI'd really rather not argue about this, but as far as I can see, the only way to annotate with pdftk is to create another, separate PDF file containing just the annotations and overlay it with the original PDF16:50
bazhangthats what it is best known for, in fact16:51
bazhangthats not the correct usage16:51
Luyinbazhang: I must give vista that, I don't see "annotating pdfs" on their homepage, either. w/o installing the software and checking it out, how would I know?16:51
bazhangthere are other tools, however16:52
vistaas far as I know, pdftk is good for doing page-level manipulation of PDFs, splicing, slicing, cutting down margins, etc16:52
bazhangLuyin, ubuntugeek has a very long list of apps for editing pdfs, the list for pdftk is way too long to ever paste on irc16:53
Luyinvista: I use "qpdfview". it can annotate pdfs, but I'm not sure if they are saved in the PDF or in the programme. but if you don't need annotations for other people, that might help you too.16:54
bazhangvista, you can check packages.ubuntu.com and okular and see what it brings in. sorry I was not able to help at all16:54
vistaI'll check out qpdfview16:55
vistadon't sweat it, bazhang16:55
bazhangnever do16:57
xubuntu86whow do  i fix my sound?17:03
* knome sihgs17:09
knomesighs too17:09
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mnemochi, how can enable ctrl-shift-u unicode composition in 15.10?20:34

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