[00:00] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: ah I see, sounds like iptables may be your best option then, dansguardian looks more like a filter for a child accessing the internet than a blocklist
[00:00] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: question, is this for a torrent client? if so most torrent clients have blocklist support builtin
[00:01] <RoadRunner> not only for torrents; under Win I would have it running even for browsing
[00:02] <Azelphur> I see
[00:02] <Azelphur> there must be some really easy tool that just imports the list into iptables
[00:02] <Azelphur> it'd be super easy
[00:03] <RoadRunner> PG does rely on lists it gets elsewhere and the process is automated which is why its popular
[00:03] <Azelphur> yea and you could do that with a small shell script, it'd be like 2 lines.
[00:03] <Azelphur> If push comes to shove iptables may be your best bet, I know of no software that actually doe sit
[00:04] <RoadRunner> maybe someone can suggest a good package source/method for PG other than Ubuntu's software center?
[00:07] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: https://github.com/trick77/ipset-blacklist looks like exactly what I said amusingly, a little bash script to handle it
[00:07] <Azelphur> could get you where you need to go, it is documented but no GUI
[00:08] <RoadRunner> I am amazed that such a popular app didn't get an easily accesible package set up
[00:08] <RoadRunner> PG I mean...
[00:09] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: it's down to the app author to package it
[00:09] <Azelphur> But yea, I am a little surprised there isn't either pg or something pg-like in the repositories.
[00:10] <RoadRunner> I am just not "advanced" enough to start configuring and compiling stuff... unfortunately
[00:10] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: that doesn't require compiling.
[00:10] <Azelphur> it's a shell script
[00:11] <RoadRunner> no I meant PG on SourceForge
[00:13] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: why not give it a go?
[00:13] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: I can help :)
[00:14] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: thank you :)
[00:14] <RoadRunner> you mean with iptables, right?
[00:14] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: nope, I can help you get PG running
[00:14] <Azelphur> or iptables really, either or honestly
[00:16] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: how do you see it happening? other than following instructions on the forge and putting together a package yourself start to finish and making it available for me and others?
[00:16] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: no, I'd just help you get it running on your machine, compiling really isn't hard.
[00:16] <Azelphur> you'll be surprised how easy it is, honestly
[00:19] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: take a look at their instructions here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/peerguardian/files/PeerGuardian%20Linux/2.3.1/ I got lost in all the dependencies and settings
[00:20] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: ok, so step 1 you're good with, skip step 2 and tell me when you get an error on step 3 :)
[00:21] <RoadRunner> :) its 3 that ruin my day :)
[00:21] <RoadRunner> *that will
[00:21] <Azelphur> why? it has command line examples
[00:21] <Azelphur> it's literally copy paste
[00:22] <Azelphur> (FYI, you're on a debian system)
[00:23] <RoadRunner> I've no idea which "configure-switches" to use
[00:24] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: the one that says "Full example configure line for a complete build and full system integration (on a Debian System)...
[00:24] <Azelphur> but you appear to have skipped a step, you will actually need to read the instructions
[00:24] <Azelphur> have you done step 3.0?
[00:27] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: do you really thing it could all be done in a few minutes here, with you holding my hand (I am not sure if I have the time for this now...)
[00:27] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: probably less than 30m
[00:27] <RoadRunner> and you are willing to be here for this long?
[00:28] <Azelphur> I should be, yea
[00:28] <Azelphur> honestly once you get over the initial hurdles you'll probably be fine anyway
[00:28] <Azelphur> tl;dr stop panicing you'll be fine :P
[00:32] <RoadRunner> ok, I got to cook something for my gf; this will take about 1.5hr and then I could begin (if you'll still be here:) )
[00:32] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: If I'm not here I bet you somebody else here would, most people in here will have no problem helping you if you get stuck on an install step.
[00:33] <RoadRunner> ok, thank you again; btw, I do realize Xubuntu is a Debian derivative but is it so close that their "Debian" instructions can be followed without any modifications?
[00:34] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: should be fine, yes.
[00:34] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: technically speaking Xubuntu was Debian at one point, before Canonical did all the modifications to it :)
[00:37] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: please look down their instructions to where it says "Deb packages"; there they seem to say some ready made packages are available and they differentiate btw Deb and Ubuntu
[00:38] <RoadRunner> also, https://launchpad.net/~jre-phoenix/+archive/ppa package seems to be "not quite" PG so I don't know it is usefull, what do you think?
[00:38] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: omg, there are debian packages
[00:38] <Azelphur> lol you plonker :P
[00:38] <Azelphur> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jre-phoenix/ppa
[00:39] <Azelphur> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pgl
[00:39] <Azelphur> ^ done
[00:41] <RoadRunner> perhaps, BUT if you follow this link; https://launchpad.net/~jre-phoenix/+archive/ppa it seems to be a package for MoBlock not PeerGuardian... (as I understand, moblock was a predescesor for PG)
[00:43] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: it formerly provided moblock, now it provides PeerGuardian, it says that in the description
[00:46] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: is there a way to easily browse Debian repositories as I do Ubuntu's in their software center?
[00:47] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: Debians software repositories are only intended to work on Debian, so no
[00:48] <bazhang> RoadRunner, you mean like packages.debian.org ?
[00:48] <RoadRunner> I guess
[00:49] <bazhang> RoadRunner, sure, but thats more of a #debian question if you please
[00:50] <RoadRunner> I know that, lubuntu, for example, had a way of checking Deb's repositories
[00:50] <RoadRunner> as well as lubuntu's...
[00:50] <knome> RoadRunner, you can do that, but it's not suggested or supported
[00:51] <knome> RoadRunner, or in other words, if you do that, you are on your own
[00:52] <RoadRunner> ok; a concern... this package seems to be put together by an individual (who knows with what motives...); don't know how much I'll be compromising my system by getting something from an unknown source
[00:53] <bazhang> a ppa?
[00:56] <RoadRunner> sorry, what's a ppa?
[00:57] <bazhang> RoadRunner, please be very clear about exactly what package and from where
[00:57] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: I find your statement amusing considering you come from Windows :P
[00:57] <RoadRunner> bazhang:  https://launchpad.net/~jre-phoenix/+archive/ppa
[00:58] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: I was very carefull under Win :)
[00:59] <bazhang> RoadRunner, ppa is that. once you introduce that to your system you have to track it update etc wil the package maintainer help and support
[01:00] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: after all, "jre-phoenix" is an individual not a group even, and we don't know who verified the contents of the package for safety
[01:00] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: they are recommended by the official PGL docs, so the question is whether you trust PGL or not.
[01:02] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: true. I must've spaced on that point...
[01:02] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: that's why I found it amusing since you come from a Windows point, the only other alternative is inspecting the source code and building yourself - which you can't do on Windows :P
[01:03] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: but back to another question I asked earlier: if Xubuntu is so close to Deb, why do PGl docs differentiat btw Deb and Ubuntu packages and give diff links there?
[01:04] <Azelphur> close, not the same.
[01:04] <Azelphur> there are differences
[01:05] <RoadRunner> ok, so in the final analyses, I just type in two lines you typed above into terminal and that's it?
[01:06] <Azelphur> yup
[01:07] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: also, you should know what those lines do rather than trusting some stranger on the internet :P
[01:07] <Azelphur> trusting a stranger on the internet is far more dangerous than a PPA, fyi
[01:08] <knome> to give another POV for the issue; PPA creator is a stranger too, but so is the one who wrote the code - so unless you read it all and understand what it does, you can't completely trust it anyway, right?
[01:09] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: You seem like a nice stranger :) and yes I do have some idea of what that syntax is doing
[01:09] <Azelphur> knome: indeed
[01:09] <RoadRunner> knome: yes
[01:09] <Azelphur> RoadRunner: indeed I am, but it's worth noting
[01:10] <RoadRunner> thank you for all the help and patience, and now I got to rush off and cook fast!
[01:11] <Azelphur> Hell hath no fury like a girlfriend with no dinner.
[01:13] <RoadRunner> Azelphur: yes...
[01:41] <xubuntuConvert> Loving Xubuntu, but just one problem I can't Google away.  When the system wakes up from sleep, I get the blue screen with the login box.  I type my password, press enter.  Then I get my desktop with any windows that were there pre-sleep are black, except for the borders.  The panel is mostly there, but some icons are missing.  The cursor is and stays in the presleep state (whatever it was), but moves freely.  CapsLock light do
[01:42] <Network2501> xubuntuConvert: i had to clear the save desktop option
[01:42] <Network2501> saw that a few times
[01:42] <xubuntuConvert> ...there is very little disk activity.  Eventually, it all "pops" back and it's ok.  The length of time it takes for this seems proportional to the length of sleep the system had.
[01:43] <xubuntuConvert> there is no swap activity either
[01:43] <xubuntuConvert> ok, let me go have a look at the save desktop option.. :)
[01:44] <Network2501> sorry, i disabled the save desktop option it was on by default for my installation
[01:49] <xubuntuConvert> I can't put my finger on that.  Do you mean "lock screen before sleep"?
[01:53] <Network2501> nah there's an option at login to save your session
[01:53] <Network2501> like session save
[01:53] <Network2501> i disabled that so when i log in i have to open new apps instead of their state being saved and displayed again
[01:53] <Network2501> kinda like a logout/login hibernate combo
[01:54] <xubuntuConvert> Logout settings > automatically save session on logout ?
[01:54] <xubuntuConvert> this is nuts
[01:54] <Network2501> yeah i disabled that
[01:55] <Network2501> haven't noticed my xfce icon on the menu dissapearing anymore
[01:56] <xubuntuConvert> OK, I'll give it a whirl.   Does that going to sleep is basically logging out and all running programs end?  So if you're in the middle of a movie that is paused, you have to find your spot again?  I guess I can try it out.... ;)   All seems rather ass backwards.   I need the screen to LOCK for security purposes.  But I want the programs to remain as they are...
[01:57] <xubuntuConvert> ... oh hang on a minute
[01:57] <xubuntuConvert> so not sleep at all
[01:57] <xubuntuConvert> just a lockable screensaver
[01:57] <xubuntuConvert>  /facepalm
[01:58] <bazhang> save session? that one?
[01:59] <xubuntuConvert> it's really weird how long it takes to bring the session back after 'sleep' tho.
[01:59] <xubuntuConvert> @bazhang, yes, that one
[01:59] <xubuntuConvert> I've been treating it as a screensaver when it is in fact a session saver before going to sleep
[01:59] <bazhang> smplayer always goes back exactly where I stopped it
[01:59] <xubuntuConvert> those are not the same
[02:00] <genii> going to moon, what?
[02:00] <xubuntuConvert> I guess I need to try it out and see what happens.  I just want to make sure that when my system has gone to sleep and they steal it, they still need to crack the password.
[02:00] <bazhang> without specifying exactly which you mean apart from movies, not much I can contribute I'm afraid
[02:01] <xubuntuConvert> Don't want to make it sound too interesting, but we were hacked and the data used to write a book that influenced an election
[02:02] <xubuntuConvert> we solved that, so now the only thing I expect is for some idiot to break in and take the gear away to work on
[02:02] <xubuntuConvert> I want them to at least have to crack the login password
[02:02] <xubuntuConvert> if they reboot they need to get past disk encryption
[02:03] <xubuntuConvert> anywho... :)   I'll see what disabling that option does in real life.  Thanks for the pointer.
[02:04] <bazhang> ok
[02:15] <Network2501> also an ssd makes things good
[04:21] <RoadRunner> can't seem to install a package from a ppa
[04:23] <RoadRunner> the repository was added successfully, the update went ok, but apt-get couldn't find the app...
[04:33] <RoadRunner> would anyone care to dive in and rescue a newbie in distress?
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: I'll try
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Also, use apt, not apt-get
[04:34] <SonikkuAmerica> What PPA?
[04:35] <RoadRunner> here's exactly what I did; fist: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jre-phoenix/ppa and then: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pgl
[04:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Aha!
[04:36] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm sure it complained about not being able to find pgl because... the PPA is ppa:jre-phoenix/pgl-experimental
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> oh no wait
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> you're right
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> nvm me
[04:38] <RoadRunner> actually, everything seems to have gone fine till the very end where it said: "E: Unable to locate package pgl"
[04:38] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: Ummm, what version of Xubuntu is this?
[04:38] <RoadRunner> 14.04
[04:39] <SonikkuAmerica> OK...
[04:39] <SonikkuAmerica> it says there's a package in there.
[04:40] <RoadRunner> you duplicated my steps?
[04:40] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: Run the command inside the brackets: [ sudo apt update | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ]
[04:40] <SonikkuAmerica> and give me the link.
[04:42] <RoadRunner> what does that do?
[04:43] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: what does that do?
[04:44] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: It runs the command and pastes the output into a raw pastebin
[04:44] <SonikkuAmerica> (sorry, I'm in 30 channels)
[04:46] <RoadRunner> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface yet. Use with caution in scripts.
[04:46] <RoadRunner> curl: (55) SSL_write() returned SYSCALL, errno = 32
[04:46] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: Your terminal should not have done *that*... O_o
[04:47] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: shall I try again and hope for better?
[04:47] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: As a precaution, try with "apt-get" instead of "apt"
[04:48] <RoadRunner> so: sudo apt-get update | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ?
[04:50] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica:  https://ptpb.pw/erUQ
[04:51] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: Does the last line in your terminal read "Reading package lists.... done"?
[04:53] <RoadRunner> just now no, it didn't; but when I did it originally, yes it did (and repeated it twice)
[04:54] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, just checking.
[04:55] <RoadRunner> actually it wasn't the very last line, if you like I can paste the whole output into a bin for you
[04:55] <SonikkuAmerica> No, that's fine.
[04:56] <RoadRunner> Reading package lists... Done
[04:56] <RoadRunner> Reading package lists... Done
[04:56] <RoadRunner> Building dependency tree
[04:56] <RoadRunner> Reading state information... Done
[04:56] <RoadRunner> E: Unable to locate package pgl
[04:56] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: these were the last 5 lines of the original output
[04:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Got it.
[04:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Can it locate pgl now?
[05:00] <RoadRunner> so I guess, now I would just say: sudo apt-get install pgl ?
[05:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah.
[05:02] <SonikkuAmerica> If it still can't find it, run [ ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ]
[05:05] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: https://ptpb.pw/P6rO
[05:08] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: OK, you spelled it right... I can't say I'm sure what the problem is.
[05:08] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: Now run [ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ]
[05:08] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: Not ^
[05:09] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: Now run [ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jre-phoenix-ppa-trusty.list | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw ]
[05:10] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: https://ptpb.pw/nX69
[05:11] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: I can't see anything wrong with your configuration.
[05:12] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: thus the answer is?...
[05:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Hold on.
[05:14] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. There's something wrong with the PPA itself. Not on your end. (I tried it myself, and I got the same error.)
[05:15] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: So my advice is to email the maintainer.
[05:18] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: thanks for your effort; I feel better (sort of... - still doesn't work :) )
[05:19] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: where can I see a detailed explanation of the commands you told me to use?
[05:20] <RoadRunner> I mean the syntax
[05:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Which part?
[05:20] <RoadRunner> well, I am a newbie, so its all Greek to me :)
[05:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh, OK
[05:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Gimme a moment.
[05:25] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: https://ptpb.pw/gHV6 should tell you all you need to now. (Comments are denoted by ##)
[05:25] <SonikkuAmerica> s/now/know/
[05:29] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: thank you, is there like a table of most used linux commands I could use for quick refference?
[05:42] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: also, would this work with any paste bin or only with the one you are using?
[05:48] <SonikkuAmerica> RoadRunner: That particular command works only with ptpb.ow
[05:48] <SonikkuAmerica> * ptpb.pw
[05:49] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: is that Xubuntu's pastebin?
[05:51] <SonikkuAmerica> No, it's an independent one.
[05:52] <SonikkuAmerica> If you want to paste to the Ubuntu pastebin, try installing pastebinit
[05:57] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: if it allows direct output, that's a convinient advantage, interesting that its based in Palau (I wonder if their servers are there too)?
[05:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Dunno
[05:58] <RoadRunner> SonikkuAmerica: in any case, thank you for your help, I got to get a bite to eat now :)
[05:59] <SonikkuAmerica> It says Texas
[05:59] <RoadRunner> no use hiding in Palau if servers are in Texas ;)
[05:59] <SonikkuAmerica> XD
[06:00] <SonikkuAmerica> I gotta go too. Byr
[06:00] <SonikkuAmerica> *Bye
[16:01] <subscious> hello. Can you guys help me with moonlight/silverlight?
[16:03] <genii> !info pipelight
[16:03] <genii> Hm
[16:05] <genii> subscious: There is a PPA which provides the ability to use Silverlight through WINE, called Pipelight. One minute and I'll find the info
[16:06] <genii> https://launchpad.net/~mqchael/+archive/ubuntu/pipelight
[16:28] <vista> hey, is there any way of 'sandboxing' dependencies?
[16:29] <vista> i need a KDE-based application, but I'd rather not have 700MB of KDE dependencies on my system
[16:34] <Luyin> vista: do you need the KDE-based application, or do you need a QT-based application? you might be able to get past the KDE deps, but probably not the QT ones.
[16:35] <vista> It is KDE-based
[16:35] <bazhang> what app vista
[16:35] <vista> Okular is the name
[16:35] <bazhang> what are the dependencies
[16:36] <vista> 700MB of KDE everything?
[16:36] <bazhang> !info okular
[16:36] <bazhang> no
[16:37] <bazhang> packages.ubuntu.com has them
[16:37] <bazhang> look for okular and see
[16:37] <vista> Not 700MB, but:
[16:37] <vista> http://static.notx.ml/u/abd7c0d3eb.png
[16:37] <bazhang> why okular specifically
[16:37] <vista> Because it is the only PDF viewer which can do annotations
[16:38] <vista> Evince has very limited capability
[16:38] <bazhang> !info pdftk
[16:39] <vista> ... I don't want to merge PDF documents or watermark them?
[16:41] <Luyin> 172 MB here, vista. are you sure about that lot of KDE apps?
[16:41]  * Luyin is on Arch Linux, though. Might cause differences.
[16:42] <vista> it's not the size that bothers me, it's the fact that it pulls in the deps for half of an entirely different DE
[16:43] <vista> It might be just me, but it bothers me
[16:45] <Luyin> vista: I do understand, but afaik, you don't have much of a choice. if you want this app, then you'll have to live with its dependencies.
[16:46] <bazhang> pdftk does it all, pretty much
[16:47] <Luyin> you could of course fork it, remove all dependencies you dislike, and build it from source, but I'd pretty much change to another app. ;)
[16:47] <bazhang> the list of what pdftk can do is very long
[16:48] <vista> it is not for annotating PDFs
[16:48] <vista> at least that is not it's main feature
[16:48] <Luyin> who cares about its main feature if it has got the feature you're looking for?
[16:50] <bazhang> its the very most central feature
[16:50] <vista> I'd really rather not argue about this, but as far as I can see, the only way to annotate with pdftk is to create another, separate PDF file containing just the annotations and overlay it with the original PDF
[16:51] <bazhang> thats what it is best known for, in fact
[16:51] <bazhang> thats not the correct usage
[16:51] <Luyin> bazhang: I must give vista that, I don't see "annotating pdfs" on their homepage, either. w/o installing the software and checking it out, how would I know?
[16:52] <bazhang> there are other tools, however
[16:52] <vista> as far as I know, pdftk is good for doing page-level manipulation of PDFs, splicing, slicing, cutting down margins, etc
[16:53] <bazhang> Luyin, ubuntugeek has a very long list of apps for editing pdfs, the list for pdftk is way too long to ever paste on irc
[16:54] <Luyin> vista: I use "qpdfview". it can annotate pdfs, but I'm not sure if they are saved in the PDF or in the programme. but if you don't need annotations for other people, that might help you too.
[16:54] <bazhang> vista, you can check packages.ubuntu.com and okular and see what it brings in. sorry I was not able to help at all
[16:55] <vista> I'll check out qpdfview
[16:55] <vista> don't sweat it, bazhang
[16:57] <bazhang> never do
[17:03] <xubuntu86w> how do  i fix my sound?
[17:09]  * knome sihgs
[17:09] <knome> sighs too
[20:34] <mnemoc> hi, how can enable ctrl-shift-u unicode composition in 15.10?